BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 07:32 PM

"Hiltons in Sharm and they both issue wrist bands for all inclusive guests."
Don't give a toss - you claimed it was common practice with British Hotels - iyt isn't and it never has been
These wristbands were compulsory on teh streets of Cardiff - not Sharm or Shark bay.
You are now twisting like the worm you are ans have ben lying to justify the denigration and persecution of Asylum Seekers.
At least Ake has been honest and said he doesn't want them here
Jim Carroll.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 06:25 PM

Good for you, but Sharm is the new Ibiza, the new Benidorm and the new Costa Del Fish 'n' Chips. Maybe you went before it sold its soul, to be charitable. These days, I'm not that surprised that they want the clientele to wear wristbands. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 05:30 PM

Utter bollocks - We were put up at The Hilton in Gatwick when our filight was delayed - not a yellow star in sight

I am not aware of any UK hotel needing using wristbands either, but I have stayed at both Hiltons in Sharm and they both issue wrist bands for all inclusive guests.

What do you expect from a bloke who does all-inclusive in Sharm El Sheikh?

The Shark Bay Hilton in Sharm gave us two wonderful stays.
It has a small private beach with the most beautiful coral reef at the end of the jetty, and they provide all the equipment for snorkelling and diving.
If you stood at the waters edge, shoals of tiny, brightly coloured tropical fish would explore your toes.
Such holidays suit my wife and I. She is registered disabled following spinal surgery, and I used to get all my excitement on adventurous training with the army, sailing, climbing, mountaineering, diving, parachuting, expeditions, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 04:57 PM

What do you expect from a bloke who does all-inclusive in Sharm El Sheikh? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 03:47 PM

The only occasions the identification is requires is actually on the premises and at the times the services (meals, use of private swimming pools, etc.) is required they are not compulsory (usually a confirmation of room-number will suffice), they most certainly do not have to be "cut off" when leaving the hotel, they are not required at any other times, certainly not outside the hotel, and most important of all, the wearing of them carries no risk of abuse, violence or humiliation to the wearer.
This guy is a real nutter
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 03:34 PM

Just an idea Keith, name the 8 hotels and I will contact them to check the veracity of your statement.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 02:38 PM

"Jim, if you stay as an all inclusive guest at a 5* hotel you will have to wear an wristband or you will not receive your entitlement."
Utter bollocks - We were put up at The Hilton in Gatwick when our filight was delayed - not a yellow star in sight
Can you actually prove this is not something you have invented from your fevered imagination?
"Have you absorbed the reasons for the door number plates and the wristbands?"
Absolutely -as have the people who have been told they were a bad idea and abandoned them
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 01:36 PM

Jim, if you stay as an all inclusive guest at a 5* hotel you will have to wear an wristband or you will not receive your entitlement.
I have stayed at eight such hotels in recent years. No exceptions.

Also as I type I am wearing a hospital wristband.
They put a new one on every two weeks when I attend for treatment, and I just leave it on.
Should I feel stigmatised as disease ridden and unclean?

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 01:21 PM

"The big saw"?..... could you explain that Jim. Your meaning becomes more obtuse as time goes on.

Have you absorbed the reasons for the door number plates and the wristbands?

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 01:16 PM

We are obliged to take asylum seekers, not economic migrants from outside the EU. We are not obliged to take so many that law and order may be compromised.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 10:41 AM

"The real problem Raggytash, is that our ill considered "liberal" interventions in Iraq and Libya led directly to the rise of ISIS."
So another step nearer - so we send them back then?
"And the big saw came nearer and nearer and nearer and nearer to Vera" (or in this case Ake)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 10:36 AM

"leaving us obliged to accept feed and house them"

Good, I am pleased that we can agree on that. Unfortunately there are some on here who would deny that obligation.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 10:22 AM

The real problem Raggytash, is that our ill considered "liberal" interventions in Iraq and Libya led directly to the rise of ISIS.
From that has flowed the millions of refugees and economic migrants, leaving us obliged to accept feed and house them, while our population suffer under austerity.

This can only lead to racial tensions as the number increase.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 07:55 AM

"The truth of the matter is, that in pooper areas it is almost impossible for a young couple to get a house,
Sio it is the Asylum seekers fault for being here - should have said that in the first place and we'd have known where we stood
"At hotels they cut them off when you check out."
I've never been given one in a hotel - ever, and if I was told I had to wear one, I'd piss off to another hotel
What an incredibly stupid statement - wristbands that have to be "cut off" intrusive, unhealthy and probably illegal.
"hat colour of number plate would be acceptable to you"
No plaque put on any house I lived in to identify what I was would be acceptable to me - ever.
"This whole pantomime carried out by the media is getting beyond a joke!."
Probably the truest thing you have ever said.
Whay are you still defending something that has been accepted as being detrimental to the people it affected and has now been abandoned?
I'm delighted you have finally come out of your "send them all back home" closet - makes it all worthwhile - it really does.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 07:23 AM

And what is the "real problem" exactly?

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 07:03 AM

The truth of the matter is, that in pooper areas it is almost impossible for a young couple to get a house, when they see houses being specially refurbished and given to AS for free; they rightly or wrongly come to the conclusion that they are being victimised to serve a political agenda.....this has been happening for a number of years.   the present charade is a media smokescreen to divert public opinion from the real problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 06:52 AM

"It is a way of tagging people and it has been proven to have put people at risk yet our star super-rights continue to defend the use of compulsory markers to identify foreigners - why am I not surprised"

Rubbish! It is a way of identifying those who have entitlement not "foreigners"....the majority of immigrants don't have entitlement.
Get a grip, or give it a rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 06:46 AM

It has sweet FA to do with "free food"

Yes it was. The bands were not given to all immigrants, only those with an entitlement.
Some form of identification is necessary.

IT WAS COMPULSORY TO WEAR THEM AT ALL TIMES, INSIDE AND OUT - IT WAS A FORM OF TAGGING - NOTHING MORE

That is the point of wristbands.
They stay on.
At hotels they cut them off when you check out.
No-one else can use them because cutting invalidates them.

They can not be lost or stolen, unlike cards.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 06:42 AM

The "red plaques" Jim,   You forgot to mention that they were house number plates newly fitted on specially refurbished property.
hat colour of number plate would be acceptable to you....the wristbands were pink by the way.

This whole pantomime carried out by the media is getting beyond a joke!......Who is actually running this country?

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 06:06 AM

The one bright spot in all of this squalidness is that, if it was a pilot scheme for things to come, it never got off the ground
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 05:45 AM

"The contractor "defended the used of the wristbands but said it was looking at alternative ways of managing "the fair provision of support" ""
Wouldn't they just
The rest of Britain seems to have condemned it, asylum seekers have been harassed because of it, it has been compared widely with forcing Jews to wear yellow stars and it has been abandoned as being both degrading and dangerous - and all you people can come up with is "the contractors say it's ok"
It is a way of tagging people and it has been proven to have put people at risk yet our star super-rights continue to defend the use of compulsory markers to identify foreigners - why am I not surprised.
None of you have referred to te fact that those forced to wear armbands also had red plaques put on their homes - do they do that to festival goers
It has sweet FA to do with "free food" IT WAS COMPULSORY TO WEAR THEM AT ALL TIMES, INSIDE AND OUT - IT WAS A FORM OF TAGGING - NOTHING MORE
What next - bells around their necks so we know they're coming?
Jeeze - to pair really have stopped hiding your lights under barrels, haven't you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 05:36 AM

"Sure - they probably poured the dogshit through the letterboxes too.
Just like Persil, nearly - righter than right.
"Worked it out already - decent people don't support targetting human beings who already have enbough on their plate
Un-be-lieve-able
Jim Carroll"


Sorry Jim, You've lost me again, why don't you just put down your views in plain English, like Keith does?

I'm not talking about the typos, we all do that, just try to give your views as if we were just other members of this little club.
Sarcasm only works if make it understandable.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 05:26 AM

Exactly.....Even! George Galloway on TV this morning was unable to condemn it, saying that it was common practice at Rock concerts and other public occasions to differentiate between those who had paid for entry and those who had not.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 04:57 AM

Jim's Guardian article.

The contractor "defended the used of the wristbands but said it was looking at alternative ways of managing "the fair provision of support" "

Those entitled to free food do have to be identified.
Luxury hotels use wristbands. So do festivals. What alternative will be better in this case?

Cards can be lost or stolen.
How long will it take to prove identity and get a replacement?
Days?
What will they eat meanwhile.

They were not singled out for this form of ID.
It is the standard form. If it is not appropriate of course it must be changed, but the idea of a government conspiracy is laughable.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 06:37 PM

"Jim, don't you realise that this whole petty charade has been orchestrated by the media and they will make a meal of it."
Sure - they probably poured the dogshit through the letterboxes too.
Just like Persil, nearly - righter than right.
"Worked it out already - decent people don't support targetting human beings who already have enbough on their plate
Un-be-lieve-able
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 06:19 PM

But no bloody wristband!

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST,Peter from seven stars link
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 05:46 PM

Re..premier inns. They seem to determine which breakfast you have paid for (if you have ) by reference to your room no / key . Always enjoyed breakfast when we,ve stayed there.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST,Triplane
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 04:53 PM

The old red door is turning pink
Not for the reason that you think
Red white and blue or maybe green
Or any color in between
Aint it a shame we're in a mess
Invented by the gutter press
Discussed in pubs and public halls
The diet of the Enet trolls

Please add verses ad nauseum and try not succumb to Godwins Law

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 03:45 PM

I've had an idea this afternoon whilst out for a pint why don't the authorities just tattoo a number on the refugees instead.

I am sure that some people on here would consider that a great idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 02:59 PM

Jim, don't you realise that this whole petty charade has been orchestrated by the media and they will make a meal of it.
Nothing they print on this non issue has any credibility.

For once in your life use your own brain to work things out.
Keith is perfectly correct, but the media hounds are on the scent of a story, politicians are running scared and truth and common sense are abandoned.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 12:55 PM

General representitive view
Have a nice beir keller convention - both of you
Jim Carroll

Guardian
Asylum seeker wristband policy to be dropped
Private firm to stop making asylum seekers in Cardiff wear coloured bands to ensure they receive meals
A private firm that houses asylum seekers will stop making them wear coloured wristbands after the policy was criticised.
Clearsprings Ready Homes, which has a contract with the Home Office to accommodate newly arrived asylum seekers in Cardiff, defended the used of the wristbands but said it was looking at alternative ways of managing "the fair provision of support".
Jo Stevens, the shadow justice minister and Labour MP for Cardiff Central, had said earlier that she had "grave concerns" about the practice at Lynx House in Cardiff.
Forcing asylum seekers, who cannot work and are not given money, to wear the wristbands in Cardiff echoes the recent "red door" controversy in Middlesbrough, when refugees complained that having their doors painted red by G4S, the private firm contracted to house them, made them easy targets for abuse.
Asylum seekers made to wear coloured wristbands in Cardiff
The first minister of Wales, Carwyn Jones, said he was appalled at the use of wristbands.
"This is completely unacceptable and goes against everything we stand for as a nation," he said. "My officials had been in touch with Clearsprings about this issue and I expect the Home Office to take action on this immediately. I will be contacting them today to register our serious concerns."
In a statement on Monday, Clearsprings Ready Homes said: "Asylum seekers who spend their initial few weeks at our full-board accommodation in Cardiff have been provided with wristbands since May 2015 to ensure they receive the services they are entitled to and to make sure those more vulnerable asylum seekers have access to their specific requirements.
"As in numerous such establishments where large numbers of people are being provided with services, wristbands are considered to be one of the most reliable and effective ways of guaranteeing delivery. We are always reviewing the way we supply our services and have decided to cease the use of wristbands as of Monday 25 January and will look for an alternative way of managing the fair provision of support."
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The Guardian understands that asylum seekers were required to show wrist bands to receive the evening meal on Monday.
The firm said it had been providing such services to the Home Office for 15 years and was "grateful for feedback to help improve the safety and effectiveness of their services".
Stevens welcomed the move but said serious questions about the policy remained unanswered by the Home Office.
She praised the Guardian for raising the issue, and said that following her intervention and pressing from "local asylum seeker groups ... we have secured an end to this crass and unnecessary wristband policy".
"However, there remain serious questions which I'm raising with the Home Office minister about how this policy was allowed to operate in the first place and whether it is operating elsewhere in other Home office temporary accommodation units."
Stevens has been attempting to ask an urgent question in the House of Commons on Monday afternoon and has been contacting the whips' office. Her intervention followed a Guardian report on Sunday that asylum seekers housed by Clearsprings had been told to wear the wristbands at all times or they would not be fed.
It is believed Clearsprings will switch to a temporary manual system for identifying residents entitled to meals. Photo ID cards would be introduced within the next few weeks.
Stevens said on Sunday: "The reported abuse is completely unrepresentative of the kindness and generosity that my constituents and people across the whole of Cardiff have shown to asylum seekers and refugees over a long period of time."
She said she would petition in parliament for an investigation into why the practice had been permitted.

Asylum seekers with red doors in Middlesbrough speak out
Eric Ngalle, 36, spent a month in Lynx House, where initial accommodation is provided for asylum seekers, before he was granted refugee status in November 2015. He is now working as a writer and making a theatre production with the Arts Council of Wales.
"My time in Lynx House was one of the most horrible experiences in my life. I hated wearing the wristbands and sometimes refused to wear them and was turned away from food," he said.
"If we refused to wear the wristbands we were told we would be reported to the Home Office. Some staff implemented this policy in a more drastic way than others. I made a complaint about the wristbands to Clearsprings but nothing was done. We had to walk from accommodation about 10 minutes away to Lynx House to get food and sometimes when we were walking down the street with our wristbands showing.
"On the road we had to walk down there is often heavy traffic. Sometimes drivers would see our wristbands, start honking their horns and shout out of the window, 'Go back to your country.' Some people made terrible remarks to us.
"If you take off the wristband you can't reseal it back on to your wrist so if you want to eat you have to wear it all the time. Labelling them on a daily basis with silver, red or blue tags only serves as a reminder that they are still wearing the garments of an outcast."
Maher, 41, who recently stayed at Lynx House but has now been granted refugee status, said he was angry about being forced to wear the wristband.
"When you walk down the street all the local people who see this brightly coloured band know who we are and where we live," he said. "We feel we are not equal with this community. All the time I tried to hide the band so people could not see it."
Asylum seekers in the UK are not allowed to work or claim mainstream benefits. Some receive a small amount of money or an Azure card to use in supermarkets.
But newly arrived asylum seekers placed in what is known as initial accommodation by the Home Office receive neither money nor an Azure card. They are placed in hotel-style accommodation and given three basic meals a day.
Mogdad Abdeen, 24, a human rights activist from Sudan, spent three months in Lynx House at the end of last year. He has been moved to different accommodation in Cardiff while he waits for a decision on his claim.
"This wristband is discrimination, clear and simple. No band, no food. We are made to feel that we are second-class humans. People in Lynx House are scared of meeting new people in case they see the wristband and give them problems.
'When we complain about the wristbands nobody listens to us,' says Mogdad Abdeen. Photograph: Gareth Everett/Huw Evans Agency
"Sometimes when we are standing outside Lynx House queueing for food people shout out of their car windows 'refugee, refugee'. When we complain about the wristbands nobody listens to us."
When some of the occupants of Lynx House were asked if they were willing to be identified, all refused, saying they were scared they might be punished for speaking out. Instead they agreed to have their hands photographed wearing the bands.
Chloe Marong, the coordinator of the Trinity Centre in Cardiff, which supports asylum seekers and refugees, has expressed concern about the wristbands.
"We have raised concerns about these wristbands with the Home Office and Clearsprings but so far nothing has been done. These wristbands mark asylum seekers out and further stigmatises them in an already very hostile environment," she said.
Adam Hundt of Deighton Pierce Glynn solicitors said: "Concerns about this practice have been raised with us and we have been looking at it. Asylum seekers are a very scared and vulnerable group and the last thing they want to do is stand out from the crowd.
"In some areas it can be dangerous for them to do so, so it is easy to understand how asylum seekers feel they are being branded with these brightly coloured wristbands which draw unwelcome attention to them and make them feel ashamed. It is particularly concerning that wearing the wristbands is linked to whether or not they get food or go hungry. It should be possible to come up with a system to ensure that people are fed without publicly humiliating them and undermining race relations."


Nazis

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 12:35 PM

"Don't try to introduce them to common sense Keith....I've been trying for a week but I fear they are incompatible :0("
And then there were two - right wing nutters
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 12:20 PM

Omigod. Now he's trying to justify wristbands by referring us to a wristband website. Stoppit, Keith, I can't afford all this laughing now that the corset shop has shut for the weekend...

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 11:44 AM

Raggytash..    :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 11:41 AM

Could it possibly be that aawristbands.co.uk have a vested interest in trying to promote the use of wrist bands.

Just asking like ................

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 11:34 AM

Don't try to introduce them to common sense Keith....I've been trying for a week but I fear they are incompatible :0(

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 11:23 AM

It is a common way of distinguishing entitlement.
The asylum seekers had such an entitlement and need to be distinguished.

The cards that have replaced the wristbands will cause them more problems.
If they lose the card, how will they claim their food.
How long to get a replacement?
Bands can not be stolen because cutting invalidates them.
Not so cards.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 11:09 AM

There are "offers" to wealthy clients Keith - not something enforced on impoverished and traumatised immigrants - how dare you make such a comparison you squalid little man?
I repeat - in a lifetime which has included visits to countries in 3 continents - I have never evenb been offered an armband, let alone been forced to wear one.   
You'll be telling us German Jews were wearing yellow stars and sporting armbands for their own benefit next - you really are plumbing the depths of this particular shit-barrel
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 10:23 AM

All hotels offering 5* "All Inclusive" use wrist bands.
I have never needed one in a UK hotel either, but both Hiltons in Sharm require them as do the three similar hotels I have stayed in Mexico, and one in Bahamas, Jamaica, and Dominican Republic.

"Wristbands have long been associated with privileges and advantages. When used as a differentiating tool, people sporting wristbands can easily be identified as being part of a group who can be expecting certain benefits from an establishment or event.

Perhaps the biggest evidence of such perk related accessories is when holidaying. Most of us have sat on at least one side of the fence; feeling like the reigning monarch of a resort being showered with free supplies or the dejected soul who would do anything to get their hands on an all entitling wristband.

There has been a rapid rise in the number of people choosing to spend their hard earned days off in resorts and hotels where everything is included in the selling price of the holiday. There are still those who opt for the self-catering variety of break which leaves hotels with a headache determining who is fairly receiving the extra gains on offer.

A great deal of resorts, particularly those in Europe, accommodate for all-inclusive guests, self-catering guests and even holidaymakers who have chosen to go half board. A lot of hotels have
beachfront opening also which means that people not staying in the resorts rooms can also gain access to pools and bars. With exclusive offerings and activities intended only for certain visitors, there becomes a need to monitor exactly who has permission to use select resort assets.

All-inclusive resorts usually grant those guests who are eligible to receive premium service with all inclusive wristbands. By doing so, hotel staff can conveniently recognise who has the right to certain services.
Wristbands are the perfect way to classify advantage tourists"
http://www.aawristbands.co.uk/all-inclusive-wristbands/

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 08:58 AM

The emphasis in every hotel I've stayed in on the continent has been on courtesy and service. The one in Turkish Northern Cyprus, though a very humble establishment where the friendly local cats were willing to kip on your bed all night (!), was a shining example. The very idea of a place that prioritises your comfort and wellbeing making you wear a wristband? Do me a favour!

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 08:33 AM

Even stayed in hotels in communist Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Soviet Union, Hungary..... (and even fascist Turkey on one - ill-advised visit)
Not an armband in sight.
Says it all really!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 08:31 AM

Perhaps he is mixing up folk festivals and hotels. Wrist band are frequently issued at the former, I've never had one in the latter.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 08:26 AM

My experience too, Jim. This guy really does make stuff up as he goes along. All those except for North Africa and with the addition of Spain and mainland Italy. The only times in my life I've had wristbands were at the Make Poverty History day at the Eden Project and at the Bude For Food festival (to make sure you didn't sneak into the marquee without paying a quid!). In neither case were you obliged to actually wear them. Just shove the thing in your pocket.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 08:18 AM

" Thompson - 28 Jan 16 - 05:38 AM

In Denmark ordinary non-Jewish people put on yellow stars when their Jewish neighbours were made to"

As did the King and Queen of Denmark.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 08:16 AM

By the way
We have stayed in a whole range of hotels over the years in Britain, Ireland, Greece, Cyprus, Sicily, North Africa..... (including The Hilton on two occasions - at Gatwick and in Cairo).
We always do so on the basis of 'bed and breakfast'.
At no time - ever - have we been asked to wear an armband to claim our breakfast in the morning or our 'free drinks' when occasionally offered - never
You are mad
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 08:11 AM

"They are entitled to free food and accommodation while other people are not."
Why not come out with it Keith and suggest they are electronically tagged - then you wouldn't have to beat about the bush.
The armbands have nothing to do with benefits - they are to identify the wearers as asylum seekers whenever they appear in public - nothing else has been suggested by anyone other than you (one-man campaign again)
They have been judged to be discriminatory and have been withdrawn - you continue to defend them - nothing new there either.
Tell me again that you are not a right-wing extremist - please
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 08:10 AM

Now that I've stopped laughing, why yes, they do. You pay in advance for continental brekky (cheaper) or full works English (dearer), or you don't buy breakfast at all. Do they issue three different colours of wristbands? Why no, they don't. They may (or may not) ask for your room number when you show up. If they ever need to prove who you are (they never seem to need to), you can always show the key card in your pocket. It's called "service," Keith. Clearly, the places you go for your holidays are institutions, Keith, not hotels.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 08:02 AM

Jesus wept. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 07:36 AM

Do Premier Inns offer different perks to different guests?
If not they do not need wristbands.

Subject: RE: BS: Beats yellow stars, I suppose!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 07:33 AM

Asylum is not a "perk"

No it is not, but different rules apply to asylum seekers.
They are not allowed to work or earn money.
They are entitled to free food and accommodation while other people are not.
It is necessary to distinguish them.
Wristbands are the way such a process is usually done.
When it became an issue here, it was changed.