BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI

Subject: BS: Dead twat in Oregon
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 08:57 PM

I can't find anything about the Malheur nonsense although I thought there had been a thread.

Google is telling me something about archiving, so maybe a mod hid whatever there was.

Anyway, one ammosexual is dead (hooray) and the retards are trying to say he was a hero AND surrendering (er - contradiction in terms) which looks remarkably like their thought (if that is the right word) process goes

"Yup Billy-Bob iffen one of them N-words that Ah ain't allowed to say because of that darned perlitical correctness, despite the first amendment, can pretend he was surrendering like, so didn't need to get shot, even if the only one of them that is good is a dead one, then Ah reckin we can say the same an' set our dead white dear departed brother as a martyr, murdered by the chief N-word and his troops, which is why we gotta keep all our guns 'cos with our lil rifles if they send in the army well we kin shoot all of them and set up our own constitoooshinal republic yessir".

Why do you intelligent Merkins let the brain-dead rule the roost?

Subject: RE: BS: Dead twat in Oregon
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 09:31 PM

Apathy? And don't insult twats.

Subject: RE: BS: Dead twat in Oregon
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 10:25 PM

Because, of course, we don't take the advice of Other People. I'm quite certain that it was because no one had Good Advice.

Would rather that the FBI, etc. pulled a Waco? Or an Iranian Embassy siege? A Sidney Street?

Personally, I thought from the first that surrounding the place with concrete barriers, cutting all electricity, pulling the plug on all cell phone and other service, and letting no one in and those coming out being arrested, would have ended the thing a lot sooner.

Even thirty miles from a town a bullet will land somewhere, and while the folks there are spread out rather thinly they are still there.

Subject: RE: BS: Dead twat in Oregon
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 11:38 PM

oh.. so this isn't an advert for a brothel for necrophiliacs in Oregon ???

Subject: RE: BS: Dead twat in Oregon
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 11:50 PM

Well, yes, given that the only non-twunt deaths at Waco were the initial unwary, which could readily now be avoided in Malheur, I'd think a full-bore government military assault a pretty good idea. In Waco the only dead in the later assault were all the whackos, I think it was 84 of them. Genetic improvement for the country. Death by stupidity.

Subject: RE: BS: Dead twat in Oregon
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 02:55 AM

However, had a bunch of African-American inner city folks taken over that centre in protest, there would have been wholesale slaughter.
IMHO, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Dead twat in Oregon
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 03:22 AM

Seamus, I agree.

Subject: RE: BS: Dead twat in Oregon
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 04:10 AM

I had hoped that this "occupation" would not end up in bloodshed, that the FBI had learned their lesson from other confrontations with right-wingers who sought martyrdom. In the beginning, the federal authorities showed remarkable restraint. Maybe it was time to put an end to it. Too bad it had to end in death, but I think the Bundy crowd was looking for martyrdom.

I live in an area full of Bundys, people who seek to amass huge quantities of weapons to protect themselves from "the government," while professing ultra-patriotism.

Can't say I understand them, but I try to be careful what I say when they're around. I wonder who they want to be President - are these Trump's people?

-Joe-

And I'm sorry, but I'm going to change the thread title to something that better reflects what happened.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: GUEST,hiLo
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 04:25 AM

Could not agree more Joe. it is sad that some man has died. But it does seem they were looking for a martyr. However, I don't think you should have changed the original thread name as it spoke volumes about the original poster.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 05:00 AM

The title remains on the original poster's post, hiLo, but our practice has been to insist on having thread titles that actually describe the contents of the thread, so people have an idea what they're opening before they open it. When I saw "dead twat in Oregon," I had no idea what it was going to be about.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 05:15 AM

"In Waco the only dead in the later assault were all the whackos, I think it was 84 of them", 25 of whom were children, Richard.

I hope the violators are prosecuted to the full extent of the law and while they're at it they should pick up the old scofflaw patriarch Cliven Bundy, as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Stu
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 07:08 AM

Shock horror: Idiot dick-waver with gun gets shot by Fed with gun who are trained to shoot people with guns in country obsessed with guns.

So utterly avoidable, but then some people appear unable to control their testosterone-fuelled stupidity that this was inevitable at some point. It's the innocents in his family I feel sorry for, but then he didn't consider them himself did he? He preferred to perpetrate the myth of the rebellious, gun-totin' cowboy who also happens to be a right-winger with access to deadly weapons who is also part of the sorely-wronged white America that feels under threat from figment of their own imagination; these people are the constituency of the likes of Trump and Palin. Now he's dead though, so it didn't serve him well and those of similar disposition have a new martyr.

Apparently more Americans have died in their own country at their own and each other's hands since 1963 than in all the wars the US has been involved in: U.S. Shootings Since 1963 Have Killed More Americans Than All Wars Ever

It's so depressing.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: GUEST,#
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 07:37 AM

"Why do you intelligent Merkins let the brain-dead rule the roost?"

Probably for the same reason educated people like you toss around the word 'retard' and allow your society to be destroyed by Conservatives under Cameron: lack of knowledge and a surfeit of stupidity in a large percentage in the general population. Howzat?

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 07:55 AM

It seems to me most American high schools stopped requiring eleventh grade American Government or Civics classes back in the 1980s. A lot of people have grown up without understanding the basics of who does what in the various roles of government, and that ideally they work together, not the parties always at odds with each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: GUEST,#
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 08:39 AM

Here's an article that may interest you, Acme.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/circle-study-finds-most-s_n_1959522.html

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 09:17 AM

I trust somebody will burn the flowers off his grave and bring along a cow to piss on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 09:42 AM

In the beginning, the federal authorities showed remarkable restraint.

The authorities have shown remarkable restraint throught, Joe, and are still doing so. In my opinion, way TOO MUCH restraint. These jackasses should all have been banged up in jail weeks ago. Old man Bundy - owing the government millions - should have had his property confiscated years back to pay the debt AND should be in jail as well.

I'm no whole-souled defender of government excesses - spent too much time marching in the '60s & '70s - but there has been no such excess in the situation here.

You start waving a gun at - or shooting at - armed Federal law enforcement, you shouldn't be surprised or indignant at the reaction.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 09:50 AM

Most of the "militias" thought it was the wrong time, wrong place, and wrong bunch of oddities and they didn't support them. Now that it's ending (with no more blood shed, I hope!) those who were involved should be charged with every crime that might apply, including sedition, rebellion, jaywalking, having guns in a federal animal reserve outside of hunting season, and anything else that can be even mildly applicable. Jail 'em without bail or bond, try 'em, and lock 'em away for the rest of their unnatural lives in a max security lockup.

Oh, yes -- attempts are already being made to make a martyr out of the guy who was killed. Unfortunately, even those who were there tell a different story than "being shot down in cold blood while kneeling on the ground with his hands on his head."

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 12:26 PM

Yes the book should be thrown at them.

It seems to me however that of the vices that masquerade as virtues, being mealy mouthed is one of the most annoying.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 02:38 PM

There has not been a lot of publicity regarding this incident here in UK; this is the first I have heard of it.

I was fascinated to see, from a news pic that I got by googling, that these protestors had taken pains, in their dress & demeanour, to come over in the conventional image of the cowboy guarding the wild frontier. All sorts of suggestive motivational self-imagery seems applicable.

No comment to make on the rights & wrongs of the occasion, which, it seems to me, are no business of any outsider, especially at this distance. But the exegetics of such symbolism I find of profound interest.

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 02:55 PM

image of the cowboy guarding the wild frontier

Yup, and that bullshit element is a large part of the problem, absolute nonsense tho it may be.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 02:59 PM

perhaps some of them would have been better off if they'd forgot the Alamo

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 03:13 PM

The American Cowboy, in reality, tried to guard his own pocketbook. At $40 per month plus room and board (such as it was)for a top hand who might work 18 hours a day they didn't get rich. Prejudiced, opinionated, sometimes drunk, yes, but few had more than a few dollars at any one time.

The "cattle barons" on the other hand (including those from Europe, who might have been bilked of their money) did have a lot of money, at least until the blizzards of 1878 and 1879. And they didn't like the small rancher (more than a few of whom had been cowboys). See the Johnson County War, for example.

But those dudes in Oregon are just loudmouths who want their 15 minutes of fame and what they think are their rights. Unfortunately, very unfortunately, they are allowed to have weapons and to spew their garbage to the media.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 03:29 PM

According to the news, there a four idiots remaining. One of them is wanted by the feds on a felony charge. The four said they'd leave if none of them would be arrested.

Right. Commit a felony by an armed takeover of a government building and land and then say you'll leave if nobody is arrested. These people live in a different universe!

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 04:23 PM

# asks:
"Why do you intelligent Merkins let the brain-dead rule the roost?"

Simple answer. Because they've got guns, and they're scary. So, we don't mess with them. We've had a Democratic majority in the California State Legislature for years, and they've passed all sorts of gun control legislation. But my neighbors all still have guns. And every time there's a mass shooting, they rush out and buy more guns.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: GUEST,#
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 04:46 PM

I was quoting another poster with that, Joe. Hell, I don't even know what a Merkin is let alone a flock of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 05:15 PM

A merkin is a pubic wig. But it sounds very like the way mumbling redneck cretins say "American". Not my coinage - the late lamented C*ntess Richard.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: GUEST,#
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 05:56 PM

Well, they're 'merkins for sure.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: michaelr
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 07:06 PM

This says it all.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 07:41 PM

I think this thread is a bit sad.....all this abuse of your fellow countrymen.   Is there no time at all to discuss why public political opinions in the US are so obviously polarised?

From over here it seems that politically and economically there is not the width of a fag paper between the two groups, yet they are utterly divided on social issues......is this a media game to divide and conquer? Or is just a lack of political understanding?

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 07:53 PM

...or is it that it's not what the thread's about?

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 08:10 PM

Or is it not what these anti-government treasonous asshole felons are about?

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 08:47 PM

RIGHT NOW!! All of you!! Stop calling people assholes! Assholes (or arseholes) have an important function and these people do not.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 09:11 PM

Sorry, #. I thought that "Why do you intelligent Merkins let the brain-dead rule the roost?" quote came from you.

And the answer is, I don't know the answer. Somehow, them gun-totin' folks amassed enough power to get their way. And when we who oppose gun-totin' think we have a solution, they come up with some clever way to stop us.

A lot of the people who amass guns, do so to protect themselves from "the government." They profess to be the most patriotic of patriotic Americans, but they hate and fear their own government.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: michaelr
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 09:41 PM

ake: "From over here it seems that politically and economically there is not the width of a fag paper between the two groups"

Please clarify which two groups you're referring to.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 09:58 PM

A video, released by the FBI, of the shooting is here. It is 26 and half minutes long and shows how the white truck (that of the guy who was shot) drives away from the traffic stop, attempts to run around a road block, and the driver comes out, runs a few stops, reaches into his coat a couple of times, and is shot by the Oregon State Police.

A word of WARNING: this shows the actual shooting, so if you're bothered by such things just take my word for what happens.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 10:05 PM

off on a tangent here - but still about gun nutters..

I've just found out why compulsively stupid entertainment reality TV show "Sons of Guns" [Red Jacket firearms] has disappeared from the screens...

... and he is a devout religious patriot too...!!!???

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: LadyJean
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 11:10 PM

Apparently there's a video now available. The man was killed by the local police, after he repeatedly reached into his jacket, where he did have a gun.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 05:30 AM

Jeri, surely the thread is not simply about calling ones opponents dirty names? I was simply trying to raise the tone of the debate.

Michael, I was referring to the Democrat and the Republican Parties, I see no radical political movement on either side, differences seem to be largely rhetorical? The system is never questioned.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 07:11 AM

Are there any gun owning Democrats in America?

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 07:18 AM

Sorry just found it, of all gun owners... 50% Repub    35% Dems Independents make up the 15%


Conclusion.....We have Independent and Democrat "arseholes" as well as Republican "arseholes"........We can all sleep more soundly knowing that...eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 07:52 AM

But I'd hazard a guess Democrat gun owners are the more responsible & saner arseholes... 😜

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 07:57 AM

Interesting perspective Here

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 08:31 AM

The choice to let the gang that can't shoot straight wind down and drift away, to be picked up and charged later is a better management of this standoff than something like Ruby Ridge. Slow as it is, there is less drama, and eventually, less finger pointing.

The fact that these Yahoos have a beef with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM is an agency of the US Department of Interior) but managed to invade a site belonging to US Fish and Wildlife (USFW), also in the Department of Interior, but a different agency and raison d'être, speaks to how inept they are.

They apparently started cutting refuge fences to make the land available to cattle, but the adjacent rancher doesn't want his cattle getting out of his property and onto the refuge, so their symbolic acts were just that - symbolic - and mostly show how little they know about agencies and other ranchers.

The drama on BLM land in Nevada, with father Bundy's cattle still out on public land could have been solved - the BLM could go in and shoot the cattle and be done with it. It's common practice in some areas when no one comes to get their cattle that have managed to get into National Park property. The Bundy folks in Nevada have been defacing historic sites and possibly plundering archaeological items during that particular occupation, and there is fear that the son's group tapped into the Paiute items stored in the Oregon facility.

Something for nothing, to be sure. They're looters.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 08:39 AM

Having taken up arms against the governmentr of the U.S. They're also traitors, and should be tried for treason, not interfering with a Federal Officer.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 08:58 AM

strip them of their citizenship and intern them with illegal aliens.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 11:43 AM

"But I'd hazard a guess Democrat gun owners are the more responsible & saner arseholes"

Going by the sample on here, that would be fairly hard to prove PFR :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: GUEST,#
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 12:46 PM

I wonder when the Federal Government will discuss the situation with the Paiute people, not that I think any government would break treaties or appropriate land just because.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 01:56 PM

I still think this would have been over right away if they weren't good ole boys.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: michaelr
Date: 29 Jan 16 - 08:20 PM

ake: "is this a media game to divide and conquer?"
Well yes, except it's not the media's, and it's not a game. It's the method the oligarchy has been using since time immemorial. The media, having completely abdicated their role of independent observer, have become corruptly complicit.

"I see no radical political movement on either side"
I think the Tea Party and their odious outgrowths - Cruz, Trump et al. - can be called a radical movement. On the other side, there's Bernie Sanders, who would be considered just slightly left of center in most European countries, but is called a radical in the US because the "center" has shifted so far to the right here over the past 25 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 04:04 AM

Yes, I agree michael, but although the "Tea Party people" are certainly grass roots, they have little political leverage and their platform does not include any radical change to the system.
Mr Sanders may be well intentioned, but will be rendered ineffective even if he does manage to gain the Presidency.

You are really between a "rock and a hard place" and it must be extremely frustrating for GENUINE radical thinkers like yourself.

While the huge political chasm survives between faux left and faux right nothing very much can be achieved.

Subject: RE: BS: Death in Oregon Confrontation With FBI
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Jan 16 - 09:54 AM

although the "Tea Party people" are certainly grass roots, they have little political leverage

Ake, you're just displaying your ignorance of things this side of the pond, again.