1870's Martin destroyed for a movie

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 05:26 PM

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: cnd
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 06:17 PM

From Boak's Facebook page:

"Dick Boak That's not the true story! We were told that there was an accident on the set. We didn't know it was in the script. We certainly didn't ask if they wanted another one. We did ask for the pieces to see whether we could salvage anything. We couldn't! We got paid a fraction of its value because we had it on our books for what we originally acquired the instrument for. This is very upsetting!

https://reverb.com/blog/the-hateful-eight-hates-on-six-strings?_aid=newsletter&utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=175502ea04-rn1"

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Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 08:49 PM

When a movie is in the theaters, and especially when it is up for an Oscar, the studios take every opportunity to to generate media attention. It's worth noting that Dick Boak refused to give any information on either the value of the instrument to Business Insider, who contacted him to confirm the story.

If you read this Pre-1900 Martin you'll get some documented information about the actual market value of the pre-1900 Martin parlor guitars--and you'll see that they are not highly valued.

You'll also see pictures of the instrument--particularly the neck and headstock--it says that the pre-1900 Martin guitars had a distinctive volute behind the nut(and there is big photo that shows exactly what a volute looks like). There is a place in the video clip where you can see the guitar from the back. There does not appear to be a volute on the guitar in the movie.

This would seem to indicate that the guitar smashed in the movie was not a pre-1900 Martin. For the record, I am not an expert of any sort on Martin guitars, but I do know a bit about Hollywood;-)

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 11:46 PM

We await the Director's commentary track on the Blu-ray/DVD

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 02:16 AM

As a multiple-Martin-owner, and a Martin-lover, I'm very sceptical. The whole thing had the ring of a story concocted to drum up publicity for a movie and a guitar manufacturer. Too much sidestepping and non-information.

I hope I'm right.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Wesley S
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 08:52 AM

If that's the case then Dick Boak is in on it too. It's a wide spread conspiracy.

Y'know I've always suspected that Dick Boak was the guy that destroyed Barak Obama's real Kenyan birth certificate.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 02:52 PM

Dick Boak is the one who supplied the Martin guitars for the film in the first place, so of course he is in on it. Don't forget that this is publicity for Martin, too.

Don't forget also that companies like Martin typically pay large amounts of money for product placement in major motion pictures, which "Hateful Eight" which has grossed $130 million worldwide, certainly is.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 09:12 AM

I could start a Facebook page myself and say my name is Dick Boak.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Wesley S
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 02:17 PM

You're right Leeneia. You caught me. Nothing is real. Everything is false. I should have known you would see right through me and the many websites and fake facebook pages by well known people trying to pull a fast one over on you. Well played.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 04:04 PM

Dick Boak's FB page does **look** official. But there doesn't seem to be a lot about the broken guitar incident on there - certainly nothing like the horror and outrage I'd expect.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 04:52 PM

It made Billboard.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Wesley S
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 09:34 PM

Yeah but ANYBODY can make up a fake webpage and call themselves Billboard magazine. How do we KNOW it's for real???

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Bugsy
Date: 13 Feb 16 - 10:55 PM

I was talking to Paul Duff, Luthier and Mandolin player with Bluegrass Parkway on Friday, and he was telling us a story about Bill Monroe and how someone smashed one of his precious Mandolins to smithereens. Aparantly, it was sent back to Gibson and they managed to piece it together again.
That was back in the '30's, and if Gibson could do it Surely CF Martin could also?

Just a thought

Bugsy

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: gillymor
Date: 14 Feb 16 - 06:11 AM

If you're referring to Monroe's 1923 Gibson F-5 from the Lloyd Loar era, the incident occurred on November 13, 1985 and Gibson returned the restored mandolin to him on February 25, 1986.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 14 Feb 16 - 11:51 AM

Not to beat a dead horse here, but the Monroe's Lloyd Loar is worth about $200k, the Martin Parlor Guitars are more in the range of $5k.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 Feb 16 - 04:35 AM

"When it comes to the banjolele, you're either leaning on a lamp post or you're not."
.,,.,

Slowburn cumbak --

Surely depends on your past Formby

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Bugsy
Date: 15 Feb 16 - 07:22 AM

Point is Guest Stim, if the guitar is an irreplacable artifact as stated in the original statement, then it's worth restoring, and if Martin can't do it, maybe Gibson can?

Cheers

Bugsy

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Mark Ross
Date: 15 Feb 16 - 10:04 AM

Monroe's F5 sold for a million after he died. I also think that the vandal smashed up TWO Loars, and the Gibson repairman managed to seperate the pieces to dtermine which splinter went with each. A miraculous job.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 15 Feb 16 - 03:47 PM

My point Bugsy, is that the guitar does not seem to have been an irreplaceable artifact, and that, far from being priceless, it would have had a relatively low value when compared to Martin guitars of a later vintage. Just because something is old doesn't mean it's worth a lot.

As to Mark Ross' post-I have always opposed capital punishment, but in this case...;-)

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: Bugsy
Date: 15 Feb 16 - 06:55 PM

And MY point, Stim is that the in the original post it is quoted to be "the destruction of the priceless 145-years-old instrument" It matters not what the guitar was worth when it was first made.

A "Penny Black" was only worth a Penny when it was new.

CHeers

Bugsy

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: GUEST,Henry
Date: 04 Nov 19 - 10:17 AM

I hope you're right too Backwoodsman. If you're not, who is most at fault? I'd have to say Martin. If I had a priceless Martin, I'd make it my job to ensure it went nowhere without full protection.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: GUEST,Henry
Date: 04 Nov 19 - 10:56 AM

But you know, I can't help thinking Martin wouldn't put a priceless antique guitar in that position. Where something could go wrong and it could get destroyed? No, I can't see it.

Subject: RE: 1870's Martin destroyed for a movie
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 04 Nov 19 - 12:57 PM

Hopefully the producers of the film need to do is pay to have a new 1870s instrument with written provenance to prove that it is genuinely 1870s. problem solved.