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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: gillymor Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:46 AM For her support of Pinochet alone, Thatcher deserves a particularly uncozy place in Hell. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:40 AM I was never a fan of Mrs. Thatcher, however to lump her in with Sarah Palin is absurd, totally different entities, nothing alike at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: akenaton Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:38 AM To put it quite bluntly, anyone male or female who supported our actions in Iraq and Libya.....should be debarred from high office. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: akenaton Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:30 AM Jim, I disagreed strongly with almost all of Mrs Thatcher's policies, but as a leader and Conservative politician she was without parallel. Mr Trump or Mrs Clinton are not in the same league. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Greg F. Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:29 AM [Thatcher] was an excellent politician and Stateswoman You're joking, yes? If not, it certainly sheds light on why you have a bug up your arse about Clinton. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:25 AM Trump rally behavior. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: akenaton Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:21 AM I don't listen to any misogynistic nonsense, and always condemn it when it appears on these pages. Give me a bit more credit than that please, most of my information comes from reputable sources and nothing that I have read suggests that Mrs Clinton is unfit for office due to her gender. I do not read partisan US political sites. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:05 AM The press you're reading about Hillary is largely in the misogynistic vein, and you've absorbed it like chapter and verse. You need to find a better source of news. From where I stand, Thatcher was your equivalent of Fiorina or Palin here - a Reagan-clone ideologue, not a good person to do the job. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Jim Carroll Date: 13 Mar 16 - 10:48 AM "In the UK our only female Prime Minister was an excellent politician and Stateswoman, " And a more- or-less self-confessed fascist who fought and managed to keep a mass murdering war criminal from standing trial and declared his actions in Chile to be her kind of democracy. When Pinochet was held under house arrest in London, awaiting the outcome of an attempt to put him on trail for the mass murder of his opponents in Chile, she accused the then Government who detained him of "running a police state", and she and her Tory colleagues held a rally in his support - the platform was decked with crossed Chilean and British flags - Chile was, by this time, a fascist state - an "excellent politician and Stateswoman" to some shades of political opinion maybe!! One can see the parallels between Thatcher and Trump is one looks hard enough (though personally, I prefer the 'uncooked doughnut' resemblance to Boris Johnson Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: akenaton Date: 13 Mar 16 - 10:44 AM Hi Acme, I am at a loss to understand your comment. "your perception of her honesty and foresight is precisely because she is a woman.".....where have I ever given cause to be accused of misogyny?.....It matters not a jot to me whether your next President is a man or a woman, either would be capable of doing the job, I just do not think that she has the qualities required. I would be obliged if you would either explain or withdraw the remark. I have said that Mrs Thatcher(a woman) was an excellent politician, just on the wrong side of politics....I often wished the left could have produced such a leader. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 13 Mar 16 - 10:33 AM Why unconvincing ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Greg F. Date: 13 Mar 16 - 10:12 AM Did you read the woman's explanation for this. 1. Yup! Sure did. I find her "explanation" at best unconvincing. 2. Either way, the photo is an accurate representation of the spirit and conduct of the Trump campaign and of the man himself. YMMD. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 13 Mar 16 - 10:06 AM Did you read the woman's explanation for this. Just a thought, it may shed some light on the subject. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Greg F. Date: 13 Mar 16 - 09:08 AM Heil Donald! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 13 Mar 16 - 09:04 AM Trump has now explicitly called Sanders a "Communist." It is a characterization that Sanders has just as explicitly called "a lie." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: olddude Date: 12 Mar 16 - 10:33 PM I will not belittle anyone WWho disagreed it is AAmerica |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: olddude Date: 12 Mar 16 - 09:46 PM Can we go back to politics, everyone is entitled to their opinions. One person, one vote |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 12 Mar 16 - 09:07 PM I am not blaming anyone in particular, but there are few who seem incapable of civil dialogue. I think there is sense of community but it is being slowly eroded by a handful of people who are Nasty on almost every subject and on every thread, so reasonable people don't get involved any more. I now pass on a number of topics because I am not interested in the argy Bargy and I am even less interested in the pomposity of some of the participants. If what we want here is good debate and discussion then we have to stand up and tell those who get the threads closed to piss off. we don,t, so we get what we deserve. I admit that I haven,t done it because I dont, need the abuse...who does ? I wish it were otherwise but there you have it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 Mar 16 - 08:39 PM Well the venom here is not found on the other sites I've mentioned. It is unfair to blame venom on anyone in particular when the whole problem of the place is its culture. It's like a commune into which anyone can drop in and out without telling anyone who they are, without paying any rent and who can nick the toilet seats with impunity. There is no sense of collective responsibility here, no sense of pulling together. The ethos is that I can bloody say what I want, offend who I want and be abused by anonymous arseholes, who can do what they want with impunity. So why should I bother? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 12 Mar 16 - 08:06 PM I am real Steve. I still believe that Guests are not the problem. yes, they can be obnoxious but they can,t match some of the continual venom that goes on here , posted by non guests. IAs you are Wont to say Steve, this is not real life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 Mar 16 - 07:17 PM And by the way, HiLo, Sieg Heil was directed at me by an anonymous Guest, and an anonymous Guest (the same one) called me a Jew-hater. The same person bleated that he wanted to be anonymous so that we would attack the issue, not the person. I love you dearly, HiLo, as you know, but do get real, please! :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 Mar 16 - 07:10 PM Moderators are the ONLY people who get threads closed. No-one else has the power to close threads. Not only that, they do like to have the last word. Unfortunately, they don't listen to those of us who are also members of harmonious forums who can see good ways of doing things. It's all Max this, Max that. The mods here, God bless 'em, are all Pontius Pilates. And yes, every anonymous Guest IS a problem. Why? Because they are able to post under multiple identities, one as a Guest and one under another logged-in name. Multiple identities are the death knell of any forum, yet this "Max" and his mod accomplices defend the nonsense to the hilt. Madness. Sheer bloody madness. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 12 Mar 16 - 06:54 PM Guests are not the problem, they are not the ones who get threads closed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 Mar 16 - 06:51 PM Give it a bloody rest, whichever moderator you are. You give us a "helpful" little footnote about what you take to be spam but you fail to delete bilious nonsense from Gnu on another thread or hateful stuff from anonymous Guests who post "Sieg Heil" when they disagree with something or posts calling perfectly respectable people Jew haters. Then we have a massive last word full of nonsense in a thread just before you close it. It's disreputable, it's inconsistent and it's unfair. Get a bloody grip fer chrissake, and tell your boss to stop guest posting and multiple identities. Compared to them, we're the good guys, and don't you forget it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Greg F. Date: 12 Mar 16 - 04:49 PM For the record, this is spam. Go look for this with Google. Plus, "Hoosier Mama" is posting from Germany. --Mod Then why wasn't it deleted as with other spam? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Mar 16 - 04:40 PM Of course they have everything to do with her being a woman - your perception of her honesty and foresight is precisely because she is a woman. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: GUEST Date: 12 Mar 16 - 04:19 PM I have to agree with guests statement that many University campuses have become toxic when it comes to free speech or any views that do not match those held by people on the left of centre...............Shouting down dissenting views and preventing people from speaking is every bit as dangerous as what Trump preaches. Does that remind you of an internet forum that we all know and used to love, HiLo? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: akenaton Date: 12 Mar 16 - 04:14 PM My goodness Acme, her perceived flaws as presidential material have nothing at all to do with her being a woman. She simply lacks foresight in foreign affairs and appears to be only on nodding terms with the truth? Something which cannot be said about her relationship with corporations? In the UK our only female Prime Minister was an excellent politician and Stateswoman, though I opposed almost every policy which she proposed. She had strength of character, a dogged determination and the ability to make her cabinet do as she wanted. She was also extremely shrewd. Her only huge flaw as far as I was concerned, was the fact that she was not a Socialist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Mar 16 - 03:14 PM Liberals bashing Clinton with sexist rhetoric Excerpt: When Republicans launched their dubious investigation into a "corrupt," "manipulative" and "dirty" Hillary Clinton's use of a personal email server while Secretary of State — regardless of Colin Powell implementing the same practice during his tenure — this character assassination, quite troublingly, inspired many liberals to co-opt these very words, rewarding the carefully-crafted Republican fallacy and giving them new life in the progressive sphere. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: akenaton Date: 12 Mar 16 - 03:06 PM Sorry Jim....you're still not getting through.....try taking your metaphors out of the blender? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Jim Carroll Date: 12 Mar 16 - 03:00 PM "You don't make sense either Jim, it has nothing to do with the character of Mrs Clinton." Who said it did I'm taliking about the spottaneous demonstrations against Fascist Trump - what are you talking about? I'd have very disappointed if someone hadn't demonstrated against him Freedom of speech goes with responsibility towards others - including the "Hispanics he has targeted" for his outpourings of hate Pehaps some people aren't very impressed by which gene-pool he comes from! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: akenaton Date: 12 Mar 16 - 01:59 PM You don't make sense either Jim, it has nothing to do with the character of Mrs Clinton. A group of "Right Wing Thugs" as opposed to the "Left Wing Thugs" who disrupted Mr Trumps Rally, could attempt to do the same to Mrs Clinton. The inhabitants of "Mudville" would be distressed to say the least? On a purely personal note, I think that anyone who chortles over the very brutal murder of a Head of State, is extremely thuggish and hateful. Especially given that the action to remove him from his position had been strongly promoted by that same person, against the better judgement of her President. President Obama has said this weekend, that the whole enterprise had been ill considered and not brought to a satisfactory conclusion....which of course was not possible given the lack of will to involve ground troops and commit to the future of the country. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 12 Mar 16 - 01:45 PM Based on fairly recent experiences, I have to agree with guests statement that many University campuses have become toxic when it comes to free speech or any views that do not match those held by people on the left of centre. I have seen this first hand and it is truly ugly. Yes, Trump is a dreadful man, but he has a right to run, he has a right to be heard , even when what he says is odious. Shouting down dissenting views and preventing people from speaking is every bit as dangerous as what Trump preaches. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Jim Carroll Date: 12 Mar 16 - 01:11 PM Seems cler enough to me - Trump is a hate monger - Clinton is not. Trump is playing the race card as Farage has done over here - neither of them have much else to offer. People have protested in the US - it's about time they did here. "Taking down Trump, phase two, has begun." Looks pretty spontaneous to me Jim Caroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: akenaton Date: 12 Mar 16 - 12:15 PM "If the shoe was on the other foot and large groups of hooligans were disrupting Mrs Clintons meetings.....this place would be seething." The shoe would be not on the other foot because Mrs. Clinton is not a hate monger (Gillymor). I'm sorry Gilly, but I cant make sense of that response....maybe you could elucidate? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Greg F. Date: 12 Mar 16 - 11:48 AM "For making Guest's point?" WTF??? Not hardly, Brucie/Fred/Alex/Howard/Donald. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: GUEST Date: 12 Mar 16 - 11:20 AM Thank you Mr. F for making Guest's point in the post of 12 Mar 16 - 09:42 AM. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Greg F. Date: 12 Mar 16 - 10:32 AM Thank you Alex Jones. Now go away. (For explanation of post 09:42 AM date, see post 08:46 Date) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: GUEST Date: 12 Mar 16 - 09:42 AM Taking down Trump, phase two, has begun. After being unsuccessful at dissuading his supporters for voting for him by demonizing him publicly, the US political and media elites have been able to inflame and mobilize enough protesters from the totalitarian Left to silence the democratic process tonight in Chicago. Because it was on a University campus, where freedom of speech means only freedom of politically correct speech, it was not hard to persuade thousands of thugs to descend on the Trump rally and forcibly close it down. (It is normal now in most deconstructionist Universities to disrupt and threaten any speaker that you don't agree with until they have been silenced.) The CNN narrative is that it is Trump's fault that these violent protesters would not let this speech from a presidential candidate take place during an election campaign. The poison amongst the CNN pundits is so acidic you can taste it. So apparently the American power structure has now moved from verbal violence to physical violence against Trump. It is a desperate move. But it might work. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Greg F. Date: 12 Mar 16 - 08:56 AM And then, of course, vide our very own Goofus.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Greg F. Date: 12 Mar 16 - 08:46 AM Why is Trump so popular? Because a substantial, and ever increasing, proportion of the Republican Party is willing to believe - or rather EMBRACE - any amount of preposterous bullshit that comes along while denying objective reality. The U.S. is turning into a nation of complete idiots: MINEOLA, Tex., 12 March 2016— On Super Tuesday, Dale Clark voted for a local Republican who claimed on social media that President Obama had worked as a gay prostitute in his youth, that the United States should ban Islam, that the Democratic Party had John F. Kennedy killed and that the United Nations had hatched a plot to depopulate the world. Mr. Clark, 75, was unaware that the candidate he had supported — Mary Lou Bruner, 68, a former kindergarten teacher running for a seat on the State Board of Education — held such views. But as he sat with his wife eating lunch in this East Texas city, Mr. Clark was ready to give Ms. Bruner the benefit of the doubt. "I would not discount her on the basis of having those beliefs," said Mr. Clark, a retired pilot. "It convinces me, though, that she's quite conservative, and if I were going to err either way, I would want to err toward the side of the conservative." Complete Article Here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: gillymor Date: 12 Mar 16 - 08:31 AM "If the shoe was on the other foot and large groups of hooligans were disrupting Mrs Clintons meetings.....this place would be seething." The shoe would be not on the other foot because Mrs. Clinton is not a hate monger. What mystifies me is why Trump would hold a rally in such a racially diverse city as Chicago given all the race-baiting he's done and the violence he's encouraged against protesters at his rallys. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: akenaton Date: 12 Mar 16 - 05:39 AM Yes, I see your point about political disruption Sanity. I don't agree with Mr Trumps political stance, but He has performed a service in illustrating the corruption behind the US political establishment. On the disruption issue, It is extremely dangerous and extremely easy to implement.....a microcosm is contained in these pages. What is required is that people put aside their political differences and eradicate the hugely greater danger of intimidation and the silencing of free speech. Sanity, though you may think that we differ greatly on political matters, I believe that we see things in much the same way. I also believe that you are a decent person with good insight on what motivates(or de-motivates) the electorate of your country.....Ake. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: GUEST,Musket Date: 12 Mar 16 - 04:49 AM You begin to see how Trump's pet idiots reason their stupidity.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 12 Mar 16 - 04:31 AM Akenaton: "Well I've had a look at TV footage, and it all seems like an organised attempt to disrupt a perfectly legal political rally." It was reported, (again) that 'Move On' .org. had PAID certain people to disrupt it. (Makes you wonder...they did it for MONEY???...gosh, What sincere depth of commitment!!!! Akenaton: "If the shoe was on the other foot and large groups of hooligans were disrupting Mrs Clintons meetings.....this place would be seething." Probably not....everybody seems to 'forget' that a Bernie Sanders' rally was disrupted, as well..last August.....Hmmm...Now what do Sanders and Trump have in common?? (I'll let them THINK about that one for a while...) Akenaton: "We are SUPPOSED to be living in Democracies?" But corporate officials are not elected...they're appointed....or they own or part own the corporation....!!.....and own the party bosses as part of the deal... 'Now what do Sanders and Trump have in common??' GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: akenaton Date: 12 Mar 16 - 04:18 AM Well I've had a look at TV footage, and it all seems like an organised attempt to disrupt a perfectly legal political rally. If people disagree on policies of other candidates they are free to say so, to hold rallies of their own and put the alternative case. To stop political meetings being held because one does not like the views of the organisers, is something completely different. If the shoe was on the other foot and large groups of hooligans were disrupting Mrs Clintons meetings.....this place would be seething. We are SUPPOSED to be living in Democracies? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 12 Mar 16 - 02:34 AM Hey Acme....."Social media allows people to see only what they want to see"......You're ON social media!!!.....so the energy you put into a system tends to change that system....so you might want to check yourself out..before you spout! ...jeez, it even rhymes.... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Mar 16 - 01:19 AM Social media allows people to see only what they want to see. Trump supporters only see other Trump supporters, so a critical mass of support arises. Perhaps if there is a chink in the reporting, if they look outside the "blame Obama for everything" mentality, they'll see the world waiting for them to come to their senses and see that it was all a joke. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: olddude Date: 12 Mar 16 - 12:33 AM I was reviewing tweets on Cnn, amazing how trump supporters were blaming Obama for the protest in Chicago.. I mean when does the blame stop and they look at themselves.. Amazing |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump From: GUEST, ^*^ Date: 12 Mar 16 - 12:26 AM Here's how the rest of the world views Trump. |