BS: Trump

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 05:29 AM

Guest, My post of: "From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
                   Date: 02 Mar 16 - 01:02 AM"

Is a pretty accurate profile of him, without making 'moral judgements'.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 12:19 AM

Whatcha expect? He's from Jersey.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 11:34 PM

Donuel: "Chris Christie is standing behind Donald in hopes of table scraps but he is going to get bupkis."

..one addendum...

"Chris Christie is standing behind Donald, looking like a desperate thug, in hopes of table scraps but he is going to get bupkis."


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 06:41 PM

Chris Christie is standing behind Donald in hopes of table scraps but he is going to get bupkis.

Donald will probably nominate a military general like McChristal to lend an air of toughness on Isis.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 01:36 PM

Most people here consider themselves above average in intelligence and education. Even if true they/we would be a minority.

Trump supporters are not above average or smarter than average and are finally pissed off but at the wrong actors.

I believe progressives and liberals are able to reassess previous assumptions. The elite Republican establishment did not do so until it was too late.
It started with the fabrication of the Tea Party. The crash of the economy changed the minds of the disenfranchised more than the rich elite were capable of imagining. (until it happens to you)

The Dems do not have the young political talent who can unite like minds be they right or left. We have Bernie, and he too is a bit ridged and stubborn.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 01:07 PM

I seriously hope Trump does not win, but I wonder if those who wrote the opening posts are as confident as they were. It seems to me many of those claiming a Hillary win is near certain in a head to head with Trump are the same people who said Trump would never get this far.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 12:26 PM

If Trump wins Ohio and Florida, any hope of a brokered convention or backstage maneuvering by the Republican elite is impossible.

If Trump even just wins Florida the chance to depose Donald is one in a hundred.

The means to reverse the primary would involve a fixer to visit each state capitol and get a deal according to Benjamin Ginzberg.

So don't hold out hope.

A record setting turnout is required by the Dems.

Can we do it?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 08:52 AM

Rubio, predictably, came up just short of declaring victory last night despite a poor showing. His new strategy of trying to match Trump's belligerency might bite him in the ass but in this environment it might save it. After Cruz, he is,of the available candidates, the one I'd least like to see in the White House after witnessing his anti-democratic, non-inclusive, strong arm tactics as Speaker of the Florida House.

Glad to see Sanders do well last night. The brightest spot in this election cycle is seeing him connect with young people and raising all that money through small and numerous donations. Does this augur a swing back to the left as the millennials come of age? I don't think he can win the nomination but I'm glad he's out there educating people on the ravages of Reaganism and unregulated greed.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 01:41 AM

The Atlantic has provided some views worth reading if one wishes to gain a wider understanding of how average Americans feel about Tuesday's results. I have read about a third so far and if you have the time (I estimate it will take a half hour to forty-five minutes) it's worth it in that the posters aren't squabbling.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/super-tuesday-results/471666/

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 01:02 AM

Guest: "As someone who is unfamiliar with the finer points of US politics I would like to know if it is possible for the Repubs to disavow him, ie say that he doesn't represent them and put up another candidate?"

Trump's big angle, is that he fancies himself as a 'winning negotiator'. I think that he thinks he can 'negotiate something' to come to a compromise, with the 'party' or anything he decides, at the moment.....for just about anything HE wants...that's HIS game...and the underlining message in his book...It's All About 'The Deal'. Virtually all the outrageous claims and promises, that gave him so much controversial press, I believe are 'negotiation starting points'. He's gambling with himself, about his abilities...and the 'trophy' is 'to win the deal'....(check out his book..scan it if you don't want to read it all)...and you will get a sense of HIS GAME.......thing is, egocentrics rarely take into consideration, that there are lots of people who don't want to play....especially when their country and their freedoms are at stake.

Now, both the sad and tragic things about this all are, that a lot of his supporters, have been 'taken in'..don't see it...and don't see that this is all about him....and they will not realize the assumptions they were misled to believe, they actually had no part of partaking of the 'benefits'....they, will just be footprints left by him, while walking on his way, to close the deal...to close another one, on the way to 'Whatever-land' ...'winning the GAME'*.


* To Engage in a Game, in psych terms, is for 'an ego verification'.

Hope that all makes sense to you.
Bottom line is that NOBODY can count on what or where he would steer the nation...or for what 'end'....making up his mind, is always in 'negotiation', too.
...as long as it is about him, and his alter-ego.......du'jour.

Hope that all makes sense to you.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 10:35 PM

2016 Presidential Countdown Clock

Knock yourselves out. Most of you are saying nothing new here, you keep fighting the same running battle.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 08:44 PM

I think the Republican candidates should settle it by dueling like burr and hamilton, and Jackson also. It would be easier on our ears

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 08:15 PM

I don't think the Republican establishment will try to disqualify Trump. If they do, he'll run as an independent and take a large chunk of votes away from the Republican nominee. Unless three of the other four Republican candidates fall on their swords very soon, Mr. Trump is going to be the nominee. Short of shooting him and blaming it on the Democrats, they're gonna be stuck with him.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 08:13 PM

You expect logic and reason from the Republicruds?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 07:21 PM

It seems that the Republican party is beginning to panic at the prospect of Trump winning the nomination. As someone who is unfamiliar with the finer points of US politics I would like to know if it is possible for the Repubs to disavow him, ie say that he doesn't represent them and put up another candidate?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 05:31 PM

Thanks BWL and #....so that's what its about.
Sort of playing the race card in reverse.
Really sneaky, I hope Mr Sanders can put his point across, I think he will have to start being a bit more proactive....politics is a dirty business and the American public should be made aware of where Mrs Clinton's real allegiances lie ....The Clinton Dynasty.
No change available in that direction, and to be brutally honest, the mess in the Middle East and North Africa can be fairly laid at Mrs Clintons support for "Democratic change" i.e. the Arab Spring; and her support for two of the maddest wars in History, Iraq and Libya.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 02:48 PM

Don't confuse Ake with facts, Bee-Dub.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 02:32 PM

Some perspectives on Hillary Clinton's appeal to African-Americans HERE.

An excerpt:

As she campaigns in front of African-American audiences Hillary Clinton presents herself as the president's most stalwart ally against conservative and Republican efforts to delegitimize him, and she offers herself as the most reliable defender of Obama's legacy. Black voters, suspecting that many Americans are determined to erase any evidence of the president's accomplishments once his term is over, believe that electing Hillary will put an exclamation mark at the end of the Obama presidency.

For many older African-American voters, voting for Hillary is a way to vote for Obama one final time.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 02:11 PM

an incompetent establishment politician with a very bad record in the State Dept

Accordiong to YOU, the Tea Party assholes & who else, Ake?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 02:04 PM

That's a good question, Ake. All people being equal, I expect 'black voters' are just as stupid as white voters. People only know what they read in the news, and it's been lots of hoopla recently--well, actually for 16 years--and most Americans seem to be fed up with the Republicans (and their record does speak for itself), and others aren't all that pleased with the Democrats being so cozy with the very rich. It may result in three parties on the political landscape divided by ideologies and what they think they know. There are many factions and factors at play right now.

We see with Trump's popular support that long-time Republicans are 'fed up to here' with the GOP as it has become. If the Republicans don't endorse Trump there will be a further split and it will be ugly. The only person I can see who has a hope against Trump is Kasich. I expect Rubio and Cruz will fall today, or at least become walking wounded. (Shoulda left all that religious stuff out of the campaign, and in both their cases they should have left higher-order thinking to people with brains.) The problem is that stupidly-thought out rants won't put bread on the table and Trump has no platform, just platitudes. Platitudes sell well until something concrete needs doing. Make America great again? It hasn't been great for decades. Just well-armed. So for now, if news sites can keep Trump front-and-center (and Sanders out of the media), it will be what we know it will be. For a few more months. Then policies will matter, and it'll be to late for Trump to develop any. YMMV.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 01:23 PM

Thanks for the responses Acme and Greg, but neither answer my question as to why black voters preferred an incompetent establishment politician with a very bad record in the State Dept, to one who really wants to improve health and education and change American economic policy.

Acme, I don't read Republican propaganda. I have a genuine interest in the subject of political change in the US and am surprised at the strength of vote in the black demographic......I thought someone from the left would have been preferable to the black community?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: keberoxu
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 01:11 PM

Super Tuesday, and all is well....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 12:06 PM

Oh, cut him some slack...politicos are usually scrambled when it comes to accuracy.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 12:04 PM

http://primarymodel.com/

Found it for anyone interested.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 04:42 AM

Thanks for the link to that excellent review, JTT. I think you meant Guthrie not Allen though.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 04:40 AM

Or rather, Woodie Guthrie!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 04:04 AM

Woody Allen on Trump's father.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 11:27 PM

Jeri: "...I can't believe at least a few of his minions won't realize he is definitely not presidential material. His rise is just way, WAY too reminiscent of Hitler's."

Ya' know, that thought has occurred to me, as well.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 09:22 PM

I'll go out on a limb here, and say I think he's going to push the 'stupid' too far. He's just about there now. Secret Service on his detail took out a Time photographer, protesters are giving him plenty of opportunity to lose it, and I can't believe at least a few of his minions won't realize he is definitely not presidential material. His rise is just way, WAY too reminiscent of Hitler's.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 09:11 PM

Just in case Norpoth's right, Is Canada still accepting immigrants, Bruce? And what are the criteria for aceptance?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 08:40 PM

Is there a place online where one might view the 'statistical model' used by Prof Norpoth to arrive at his results?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 06:43 PM

You're wrong about Hillary, Ake. We've told you that many times. Perhaps you're reading the GOP click bait without fact-checking.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 06:40 PM

Could anyone explain why 84% of the black vote in South Caro went to Mrs Clinton as opposed to Mr Sanders?

One could, Ake, but what would be the point as far as you are concerned?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 04:54 PM

Could anyone explain why 84% of the black vote in South Caro went to Mrs Clinton as opposed to Mr Sanders?

Mr Sanders is a mild socialist, while Mrs Clinton is an establishment corporatist.....are black folks like the people who vote for Mr Trump?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 03:47 PM

I don't care if Trump is a liberal posing as a conservative, a conservative posing as a liberal, or a penguin posing as a Labrador retriever, the one thing he's not pretending to be is an asshole. No pretending required. His assholeness transcends all political labels.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 03:12 PM

It's hard to argue with that logic, GfS.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 03:04 PM

Why are you guys ganging up on Trump??.. He is a liberal charading as a 'so-called Conservative'. He's YOUR guy!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 10:22 AM

And yet more from my favorite piece of shit:

Donald J. Trump came under fire on Sunday for declining to disavow the support of David Duke, the white nationalist and ex-Ku Klux Klansman who has called him "by far the best candidate."

"Well, just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke," Mr. Trump said in an interview with CNN. [Yeah, right.]

The discussion of Mr. Trump's support among white supremacists comes on a day when he also re-posted a tweet quoting Benito Mussolini, the founder of the fascist movement, and called for libel laws to be weakened so that he could more easily sue the press when it covers him critically.

Article Here

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 12:30 PM

Dr Strangelove = Donald Trump, God help the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 11:54 AM

The penultimate sentence in my last post should have started: "I can see the Super PAC TV ads from the Democrat camp now...".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 11:43 AM

The strategy of running to the right to gain the GOP nomination and swinging back to the center in the general election, as most GOP candidates do, probably won't work for Trump. He's taken such extreme views to solidify his core constituency, poorly educated white males, that any pretense of moderation or softening of his demagoguery will alienate that large but stagnant voting block, who are not enthusiastic voters to begin with. Even with this triangulation he won't get much traction with Democrats considering the platform of racism and intolerance that he presently espouses. I can see the Super PAC TV ads now with Trump railing against Mexicans and Muslims, proposing the murder of terrorist's families and enhanced torture. He's painted himself into a corner and the RNC knows this and are currently searching for ways to circumvent the democratic process, a process they show little respect for.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 09:46 AM

Only a matter of time until Heil Donald!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 03:51 AM

Hi, Ake. No problem :-)

What is happening in the US is the meltdown of the Republican Party itself. Federally, they have been crap for all of this century, and worse, they keep on providing proof for that conclusion. Eight years under Cheney/Wolfowitz/Rumsfeld/Bush and eight under Obama, the Republican Party has demonstrated its ability to lie, cheat, steal and generally screw up everything it touches. They are so wrapped up in their internecine rivalries that they're coming apart, and that is no less than the Republican Party deserves for providing sixteen years of garbage politics, obstructionist tactics in the House and Senate, and a willingness to hurt economically poor citizens in its march to the greater glory of the lunatic chorus led by people of dubious mental abilities. Here I include Palin, Bachmann, Cruz, Trump: basically, the people who come to mind when one thinks of the term 'stupid and proud of it'. However, it's equally wise to beware of stupid people in groups. The problem the Republicans face--and no mistake, they did bring it on themselves--stems from the people who give lip-service to whatever plays well for the audience of the moment. The Republicans have direction problems: anti-policies aren't policies, no matter how much they may wish it were so. Google

Washington Post Kareem-Abdul Jabbar

and read his column of Feb.1, 2016. IMO, he has a good grasp of the situation.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 05:03 PM

Hi #, sorry about that, made a bit of a bollocks there.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 02:38 PM

Bernie Sanders and "thong" in the same sentence. Silent scream...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 02:33 PM

But I may 'misunderestimate' what you mean by "left".

HEdoesn't understand what he means by "left" since most of the U.S. population - including the current Democrat and Republiturd parties are considerably right of center.

The only thong approaching a viable "left" in the U.S. is Mr. Sanders, god bless him.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 01:57 PM

"With any luck Trump will... build a wall along the Mexican border to keep the drug cartels... out of the U.S."

This person seems to be under the delusion that drugs are smuggled into the US by Mexicans hiking across the border with backpacks full of contraband. In fact, most of the drug traffic from Mexico comes into the US either hidden in vehicles passing through manned checkpoints, via tunnels dug under the border, or by boat. Exactly how a wall could affect either of those smuggling modes is a mystery to me.

Anyway, as has been said before, "If the US builds a 12-foot wall, it will only prove to be a financial boon to Mexicans making 13-foot ladders."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 01:27 PM

Hey #, is there a GoFundMe page for that? ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 01:15 PM

' I suppose that as someone above suggested, there is always the chance that Mr Trump will be assassinated by the "left". '

It's more likely the Republican Party would bump him off. But I may 'misunderestimate' what you mean by "left".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 11:50 AM

Well I'm beginning to think that Mr Trump is clever and able and likely to be next president of the USA.
EJ's summation of his campaign was right on the button.

I suppose as someone above suggested, there is always assassination, but are the Clintons desperate enough?