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BS: Trump

Greg F. 12 Mar 16 - 08:56 AM
GUEST 12 Mar 16 - 09:42 AM
Greg F. 12 Mar 16 - 10:32 AM
GUEST 12 Mar 16 - 11:20 AM
Greg F. 12 Mar 16 - 11:48 AM
akenaton 12 Mar 16 - 12:15 PM
Jim Carroll 12 Mar 16 - 01:11 PM
GUEST,HiLo 12 Mar 16 - 01:45 PM
akenaton 12 Mar 16 - 01:59 PM
Jim Carroll 12 Mar 16 - 03:00 PM
akenaton 12 Mar 16 - 03:06 PM
Stilly River Sage 12 Mar 16 - 03:14 PM
akenaton 12 Mar 16 - 04:14 PM
GUEST 12 Mar 16 - 04:19 PM
Stilly River Sage 12 Mar 16 - 04:40 PM
Greg F. 12 Mar 16 - 04:49 PM
Steve Shaw 12 Mar 16 - 06:51 PM
GUEST,HiLo 12 Mar 16 - 06:54 PM
Steve Shaw 12 Mar 16 - 07:10 PM
Steve Shaw 12 Mar 16 - 07:17 PM
GUEST,HiLo 12 Mar 16 - 08:06 PM
Steve Shaw 12 Mar 16 - 08:39 PM
GUEST,HiLo 12 Mar 16 - 09:07 PM
olddude 12 Mar 16 - 09:46 PM
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GUEST,Lighter 13 Mar 16 - 09:04 AM
Greg F. 13 Mar 16 - 09:08 AM
GUEST,HiLo 13 Mar 16 - 10:06 AM
Greg F. 13 Mar 16 - 10:12 AM
GUEST,HiLo 13 Mar 16 - 10:33 AM
akenaton 13 Mar 16 - 10:44 AM
Jim Carroll 13 Mar 16 - 10:48 AM
Stilly River Sage 13 Mar 16 - 11:05 AM
akenaton 13 Mar 16 - 11:21 AM
Stilly River Sage 13 Mar 16 - 11:25 AM
Greg F. 13 Mar 16 - 11:29 AM
akenaton 13 Mar 16 - 11:30 AM
akenaton 13 Mar 16 - 11:38 AM
GUEST,HiLo 13 Mar 16 - 11:40 AM
gillymor 13 Mar 16 - 11:46 AM
Jim Carroll 13 Mar 16 - 11:52 AM
akenaton 13 Mar 16 - 11:53 AM
GUEST 13 Mar 16 - 11:55 AM
akenaton 13 Mar 16 - 11:58 AM
GUEST,Lighter 13 Mar 16 - 01:09 PM
Jim Carroll 13 Mar 16 - 01:16 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 13 Mar 16 - 01:28 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 08:56 AM

And then, of course, vide our very own Goofus....


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 09:42 AM

Taking down Trump, phase two, has begun. After being unsuccessful at dissuading his supporters for voting for him by demonizing him publicly, the US political and media elites have been able to inflame and mobilize enough protesters from the totalitarian Left to silence the democratic process tonight in Chicago. Because it was on a University campus, where freedom of speech means only freedom of politically correct speech, it was not hard to persuade thousands of thugs to descend on the Trump rally and forcibly close it down. (It is normal now in most deconstructionist Universities to disrupt and threaten any speaker that you don't agree with until they have been silenced.) The CNN narrative is that it is Trump's fault that these violent protesters would not let this speech from a presidential candidate take place during an election campaign. The poison amongst the CNN pundits is so acidic you can taste it. So apparently the American power structure has now moved from verbal violence to physical violence against Trump. It is a desperate move. But it might work.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 10:32 AM

Thank you Alex Jones. Now go away.

(For explanation of post 09:42 AM date, see post 08:46 Date)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 11:20 AM

Thank you Mr. F for making Guest's point in the post of 12 Mar 16 - 09:42 AM.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 11:48 AM

"For making Guest's point?" WTF???

Not hardly, Brucie/Fred/Alex/Howard/Donald.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 12:15 PM

"If the shoe was on the other foot and large groups of hooligans were disrupting Mrs Clintons meetings.....this place would be seething."

The shoe would be not on the other foot because Mrs. Clinton is not a hate monger (Gillymor).

I'm sorry Gilly, but I cant make sense of that response....maybe you could elucidate?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 01:11 PM

Seems cler enough to me - Trump is a hate monger - Clinton is not.
Trump is playing the race card as Farage has done over here - neither of them have much else to offer.
People have protested in the US - it's about time they did here.
"Taking down Trump, phase two, has begun."
Looks pretty spontaneous to me
Jim Caroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 01:45 PM

Based on fairly recent experiences, I have to agree with guests statement that many University campuses have become toxic when it comes to free speech or any views that do not match those held by people on the left of centre. I have seen this first hand and it is truly ugly. Yes, Trump is a dreadful man, but he has a right to run, he has a right to be heard , even when what he says is odious. Shouting down dissenting views and preventing people from speaking is every bit as dangerous as what Trump preaches.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 01:59 PM

You don't make sense either Jim, it has nothing to do with the character of Mrs Clinton.

A group of "Right Wing Thugs" as opposed to the "Left Wing Thugs" who disrupted Mr Trumps Rally, could attempt to do the same to Mrs Clinton.

The inhabitants of "Mudville" would be distressed to say the least?

On a purely personal note, I think that anyone who chortles over the very brutal murder of a Head of State, is extremely thuggish and hateful. Especially given that the action to remove him from his position had been strongly promoted by that same person, against the better judgement of her President.

President Obama has said this weekend, that the whole enterprise had been ill considered and not brought to a satisfactory conclusion....which of course was not possible given the lack of will to involve ground troops and commit to the future of the country.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 03:00 PM

"You don't make sense either Jim, it has nothing to do with the character of Mrs Clinton."
Who said it did
I'm taliking about the spottaneous demonstrations against Fascist Trump - what are you talking about?
I'd have very disappointed if someone hadn't demonstrated against him
Freedom of speech goes with responsibility towards others - including the "Hispanics he has targeted" for his outpourings of hate
Pehaps some people aren't very impressed by which gene-pool he comes from!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 03:06 PM

Sorry Jim....you're still not getting through.....try taking your metaphors out of the blender?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 03:14 PM

Liberals bashing Clinton with sexist rhetoric

Excerpt:

When Republicans launched their dubious investigation into a "corrupt," "manipulative" and "dirty" Hillary Clinton's use of a personal email server while Secretary of State — regardless of Colin Powell implementing the same practice during his tenure — this character assassination, quite troublingly, inspired many liberals to co-opt these very words, rewarding the carefully-crafted Republican fallacy and giving them new life in the progressive sphere.

These educated and civic-minded men and women would never engage in the kind of blatant misogyny that chides on her inability to satisfy her husband, that bandies the word "bitch," that forwards Kentucky Fried Chicken-themed memes boasting an "HRC Special" with "2 fat thighs" — they instead use codified language that, when used in the context of a powerful female, serves as a tool of "soft sexism" that undermines and devalues women.

The Left's enthusiastic embrace of these tropes and rhetoric props up the narrative that, for a woman to have reached the upper echelons of power in her field, she could only have done so through depravity and deception.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 04:14 PM

My goodness Acme, her perceived flaws as presidential material have nothing at all to do with her being a woman. She simply lacks foresight in foreign affairs and appears to be only on nodding terms with the truth? Something which cannot be said about her relationship with corporations?

In the UK our only female Prime Minister was an excellent politician and Stateswoman, though I opposed almost every policy which she proposed. She had strength of character, a dogged determination and the ability to make her cabinet do as she wanted. She was also extremely shrewd.    Her only huge flaw as far as I was concerned, was the fact that she was not a Socialist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 04:19 PM

I have to agree with guests statement that many University campuses have become toxic when it comes to free speech or any views that do not match those held by people on the left of centre...............Shouting down dissenting views and preventing people from speaking is every bit as dangerous as what Trump preaches.

Does that remind you of an internet forum that we all know and used to love, HiLo?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 04:40 PM

Of course they have everything to do with her being a woman - your perception of her honesty and foresight is precisely because she is a woman.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 04:49 PM

For the record, this is spam. Go look for this with Google. Plus, "Hoosier Mama" is posting from Germany. --Mod

Then why wasn't it deleted as with other spam?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 06:51 PM

Give it a bloody rest, whichever moderator you are. You give us a "helpful" little footnote about what you take to be spam but you fail to delete bilious nonsense from Gnu on another thread or hateful stuff from anonymous Guests who post "Sieg Heil" when they disagree with something or posts calling perfectly respectable people Jew haters. Then we have a massive last word full of nonsense in a thread just before you close it. It's disreputable, it's inconsistent and it's unfair. Get a bloody grip fer chrissake, and tell your boss to stop guest posting and multiple identities. Compared to them, we're the good guys, and don't you forget it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 06:54 PM

Guests are not the problem, they are not the ones who get threads closed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 07:10 PM

Moderators are the ONLY people who get threads closed. No-one else has the power to close threads. Not only that, they do like to have the last word. Unfortunately, they don't listen to those of us who are also members of harmonious forums who can see good ways of doing things. It's all Max this, Max that. The mods here, God bless 'em, are all Pontius Pilates. And yes, every anonymous Guest IS a problem. Why? Because they are able to post under multiple identities, one as a Guest and one under another logged-in name. Multiple identities are the death knell of any forum, yet this "Max" and his mod accomplices defend the nonsense to the hilt. Madness. Sheer bloody madness.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 07:17 PM

And by the way, HiLo, Sieg Heil was directed at me by an anonymous Guest, and an anonymous Guest (the same one) called me a Jew-hater. The same person bleated that he wanted to be anonymous so that we would attack the issue, not the person. I love you dearly, HiLo, as you know, but do get real, please! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 08:06 PM

I am real Steve. I still believe that Guests are not the problem. yes, they can be obnoxious but they can,t match some of the continual venom that goes on here , posted by non guests. IAs you are Wont to say Steve, this is not real life.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 08:39 PM

Well the venom here is not found on the other sites I've mentioned. It is unfair to blame venom on anyone in particular when the whole problem of the place is its culture. It's like a commune into which anyone can drop in and out without telling anyone who they are, without paying any rent and who can nick the toilet seats with impunity. There is no sense of collective responsibility here, no sense of pulling together. The ethos is that I can bloody say what I want, offend who I want and be abused by anonymous arseholes, who can do what they want with impunity. So why should I bother?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 09:07 PM

I am not blaming anyone in particular, but there are few who seem incapable of civil dialogue. I think there is sense of community but it is being slowly eroded by a handful of people who are Nasty on almost every subject and on every thread, so reasonable people don't get involved any more. I now pass on a number of topics because I am not interested in the argy Bargy and I am even less interested in the pomposity of some of the participants. If what we want here is good debate and discussion then we have to stand up and tell those who get the threads closed to piss off. we don,t, so we get what we deserve. I admit that I haven,t done it because I dont, need the abuse...who does ? I wish it were otherwise but there you have it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 09:46 PM

Can we go back to politics, everyone is entitled to their opinions. One person, one vote


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 10:33 PM

I will not belittle anyone
WWho disagreed it is
AAmerica


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 09:04 AM

Trump has now explicitly called Sanders a "Communist." It is a characterization that Sanders has just as explicitly called "a lie."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 09:08 AM

Heil Donald!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 10:06 AM

Did you read the woman's explanation for this. Just a thought, it may shed some light on the subject.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 10:12 AM

Did you read the woman's explanation for this.

1. Yup! Sure did. I find her "explanation" at best unconvincing.

2. Either way, the photo is an accurate representation of the spirit and conduct of the Trump campaign and of the man himself.

YMMD.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 10:33 AM

Why unconvincing ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 10:44 AM

Hi Acme, I am at a loss to understand your comment.
"your perception of her honesty and foresight is precisely because she is a woman.".....where have I ever given cause to be accused of misogyny?.....It matters not a jot to me whether your next President is a man or a woman, either would be capable of doing the job, I just do not think that she has the qualities required.

I would be obliged if you would either explain or withdraw the remark.
I have said that Mrs Thatcher(a woman) was an excellent politician, just on the wrong side of politics....I often wished the left could have produced such a leader.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 10:48 AM

"In the UK our only female Prime Minister was an excellent politician and Stateswoman, "
And a more- or-less self-confessed fascist who fought and managed to keep a mass murdering war criminal from standing trial and declared his actions in Chile to be her kind of democracy.
When Pinochet was held under house arrest in London, awaiting the outcome of an attempt to put him on trail for the mass murder of his opponents in Chile, she accused the then Government who detained him of "running a police state", and she and her Tory colleagues held a rally in his support - the platform was decked with crossed Chilean and British flags - Chile was, by this time, a fascist state - an "excellent politician and Stateswoman" to some shades of political opinion maybe!!
One can see the parallels between Thatcher and Trump is one looks hard enough (though personally, I prefer the 'uncooked doughnut' resemblance to Boris Johnson
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:05 AM

The press you're reading about Hillary is largely in the misogynistic vein, and you've absorbed it like chapter and verse. You need to find a better source of news.

From where I stand, Thatcher was your equivalent of Fiorina or Palin here - a Reagan-clone ideologue, not a good person to do the job.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:21 AM

I don't listen to any misogynistic nonsense, and always condemn it when it appears on these pages.
Give me a bit more credit than that please, most of my information comes from reputable sources and nothing that I have read suggests that Mrs Clinton is unfit for office due to her gender.

I do not read partisan US political sites.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:25 AM

Trump rally behavior.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:29 AM

[Thatcher] was an excellent politician and Stateswoman

You're joking, yes? If not, it certainly sheds light on why you have a bug up your arse about Clinton.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:30 AM

Jim, I disagreed strongly with almost all of Mrs Thatcher's policies, but as a leader and Conservative politician she was without parallel.

Mr Trump or Mrs Clinton are not in the same league.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:38 AM

To put it quite bluntly, anyone male or female who supported our actions in Iraq and Libya.....should be debarred from high office.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:40 AM

I was never a fan of Mrs. Thatcher, however to lump her in with Sarah Palin is absurd, totally different entities, nothing alike at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:46 AM

For her support of Pinochet alone, Thatcher deserves a particularly uncozy place in Hell.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:52 AM

"Jim, I disagreed strongly with almost all of Mrs Thatcher's policies, but as a leader and Conservative politician she was without parallel."
Not a question of her 'policies' - she was a self-declared fascist - it doesn't get much simpler than that.
Hitler was reckoned to be a 'good leader' - he was certainly idolised by a lorra-lorra people - it's where he led/she led them is what counts, not that they were good at it.
We know very little about Trump's 'policies' - his election campaign is based on hate-filled rhetoric and the hostile response to it is well-deserved and a relief.
I have little time for U.S. politics, but the thing I admire about the country is its cosmopolitan makeup- consisting of people who originated form all corners of the world - settlers, immigrants and refugees from persecution all coming together to make the richest and most powerful nation on the planet.
Trump has risen to prominence by preaching hatred of such people - basically, basically an attack on the people who went into the making of America.
You talk about genetic reliability - Trump's background shows him to come from merely one of the many hundreds of different nations that make up the country he is trying to take over.
Let's hope for many, many thousands more people out on the streets putting a stop to this looming disaster - neither the politicians or big-business can be trusted to.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:53 AM

Acme, your link is to an American cable channel which gives a liberal prospective....not what I call an objective source!

My information comes mainly from BBC and the Quality British papers, which although biased in favour of business interests and mainly supporting Mrs Clinton, at least give a pretty honest historical perspective to this election.
Objective news coverage in the UK is better than that which is available to UK cable viewers IMO.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:55 AM

For anyone who's interested, here's a list of superdelegates for the Democrats. It includes members of Congress, former presidents, and members of the Democratic National Committee, among others.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2016


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:58 AM

Gilly, if Mrs Thatcher is destined for hell, then she will be in good company, i.e. the very liberal Mr Tony Blair?.....and the other warmongers from UK and US.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 01:09 PM

Just what does Ake mean by "a real democracy"?

And how precisely would Donald Trump's election hasten its appearance?

Trump claims that a man who attempted to rush him on the platform yesterday was "working for ISIS."

Asked later by NBC the source of his information, Trump confidently replied, "All I know is what I read on the Internet."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 01:16 PM

"Mrs Thatcher is destined for hell, then she will be in good company"
She was a hard-line political thug and a bully - Blair and the others are - well politicians - that's what politics has become in Britain today - dishonest politicians working on behalf of the privileged few.
Blair, at least, started out with a degree of principle and compassion - Thatcher was always Thatcher.
If Donald 'Thump' is elected the U.S. will end up with a male Thatcher with a flak-jacket and in a tank, but without her questionable skills.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 01:28 PM

olddude: "Can we go back to politics, everyone is entitled to their opinions. One person, one vote."

If they go to a brokered convention, either party or both, THEY will select who we should 'vote for'....which means no votes even mattered..just whom they APPOINT to run.

I suspect, as I said earlier, that depending on the primaries, will determine if Obama's Justice department will go for an indictment for Hillary...then they might give you Biden to vote for....then after that happens, and she can't run, he might even 'pardon' her.

As for the Republicans, that will go to a brokered convention if they can keep dividing the votes, among the primary candidates, so the minimum votes won't be reached for a walk-a-way count at the convention.

ALL this is going on, because the electorate is pissed off. First we got Obama, then the Republicans vowed to turn things around, if they got the Senate and the House of Representatives...they got both, but nothing was done...............SOOOOOO....that gave rise to Sanders, Trump, Fiorina, Carson...and even Cruz, to some extent.....(in case you ever wanted to know what the ELECTORATE thinks of the current administration). ....ALL of this is a backlash to Obama's unfavorability!!
At present, the present U.S. government is VERY VERY unpopular...because people are FINALLY getting a clue that the supposed 'Right Wing' and 'Left Wing' are on the same bird!!..Gosh how many times have I been saying that for the past eight years??!!!???....along with the CORRUPTION on BOTH sides....it's gotten so bad, that with Hillary, there is NO doubt that she has committed felonies..it's on video for all to see...but she gets 'support' because the morons see her as 'electable'....though considered untrustworthy(by nearly EVERY poll!!)...they don't care...she's 'electable'......that really says a lot for the integrity of the moronic idiots who would vote for her anyway.....

...Oh well....that's politics!

The Republicans believe their own bullshit, and the Democrats believe their own bullshit....but, when it's all said and done...IT'S ALL BULLSHIT!!...just different flies!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 01:31 PM

Palin may be an airhead, but she's scary, especially when running for office with a fairly elder statesman. She scared the GOP mainstream so badly that I know of several who voted for Obama because they were really voting against Palin. Many Democrats hope Trump will end up the candidate because he'll have the same frightening effect on the sane members of the GOP. That said, the rest of the GOP field are still pretty awful. I could almost feel sorry for them, but they brought this on themselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 01:34 PM

Mrs Clinton [is] not in the same league [as Milk-Snatcher Pinochet Psycophant Union-Busting Screw-The-Common-Man Maggie Thatcher]

And Jesus be thanked for that mercy!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 03:21 PM

You're right!...at least Thatcher didn't send and receive classified government correspondence, jeopardizing their national security, so she could profit, for speeches!!

..and Acme, there a LOT of Democrats voting for Trump....some, I suspect to have him run against Hillary...and some because they're fed up with Obama, though a Democrat, though half black, because he's been a corporate guy masquerading as a benevolent champion of God only knows what!

What we have in THIS election is a battle(maybe) of the mega-billionaires...and corporation/bankers...and let's not overlook that Soros, a MAJOR funder of 'Move On' is battling with Trump over CONTROL!!...It's not for money...money is just a stepping stone to power and control.

Trump AND Hillary are both just ego driven power mongols...both of them share the highest rating in both their 'parties' for un-trustworthiness, and highest ratings for being liars!!!

....and like a bunch of brain-dead dupes, their respected parties flock around them....because they see them as 'ELECTABLE'!!!

That, itself, is the biggest shame to this country, and certainly adds dimension to the word 'STUPID'.....but face it, both parties, as well as people in here, have an ingrained bad habit, of looking the other way, and supporting corruption, instead of standing up against it........therefore, you got what you deserved....the sad thing is, you take down a lot of innocent citizens. and screw things up for everyone!!!

GfS


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