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Subject: BS: Trump
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 07 Feb 16 - 07:09 PM

A challenge to all American folkies.....

In light of one of your presidential candidates calling for increased and more intensive use of torture, why do you think as a country you have any right to participation on the world stage, and do you think you should be subjected to worldwide sanctions?

ps I know there are a lot of decent people in US, including several personal friends.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 07 Feb 16 - 07:13 PM

You have your share of crazy Fuckers also. He won't be elected but in a free society even crazy Fuckers can run for office. Doesn't mean they make it


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 07 Feb 16 - 07:23 PM

yeah, but our crazy f***ers have next to no chance of gaining any real power.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 07 Feb 16 - 07:28 PM

And it is worrying if the most powerful democracy can't be trusted with the most basic human rights.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 07 Feb 16 - 07:29 PM

Nor does trump. The polls are only Republican and most except nut cases even answer a poll taker


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 07 Feb 16 - 07:31 PM

Even if he won all the primary, the Republican commitee will disqualify him. They know he has no chance


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 02:03 AM

What olddude said. Anyone can *run* for a position- it does not mean that they will be elected. Just as anyone can be *nominated* for a Nobel prize; it doesn't mean that it will be awarded to that person. I imagine much the same thing holds in other countries.

That said, I do wish this country would rise up and yell at the Trump: You're FIRED.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 02:36 AM

Dude, Ebbie, the problem for us Brits is that the heavily-Right-Wing media over here is feeding us a daily diet of propaganda that The Ginger Tosser is very popular in the US, and that a large proportion of US-ians are prepared to vote for him.

Your Presidential election process is a mystery to many UK-ers, an apparently hugely-complicated circus that starts way too soon and goes on way too long, so I'm not surprised that there's a feeling here that he's The President-In-Waiting.

But I don't believe that the citizenry of US is taken in by him, or that the vast majority of US-ians are prepared to vote for a man who demonises Muslims and advocates the legalisation of torture.

I hope I'm right, I think I am.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 12:17 PM

He gets a lot of press because he is so outrageously nuts. People can't believe what they are hearing. It is a sick reality show nothing more


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 12:41 PM

What is so confusing for people is the Republican party has so many people running. Trump may show a lead in the party but if you add up the spread across candidates, 85 percent of his party is telling him to piss off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 02:18 PM

That reminds me of the recent UK general erection - and now we have Ham E Penis enjoying the dictatorship of the majority.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 06:31 PM

The Ginger Tosser is very popular in the US, and that a large proportion of US-ians are prepared to vote for him.

Absolutely true. He, and they, are a serious embarrassment.

And Rubio, Cruz & their followers are just as obnoxious & embarrassing..


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 08:05 PM

The US electorate is split roughly into 1/3 Republican, 1/3 Democrat, and 1/3 independent. Trump is popular among, at most, 30% of Republicans, 30% of independents and 0% of Democrats. That equates to roughly 20% of voters. The other 80% despise the guy. Even the Koch brothers hate him.

Trump has only been able to make a big noise because the Republican field has been so large that a 30% share is huge compared to that of any other single candidate. As more people drop out of the race and support of the other 70% of Republican and independent voters consolidates behind one or two "mainstream" candidates, Trump will be left far behind.

That doesn't mean Trump's going to go away. He is extremely wealthy and his campaign is self-financed. He doesn't have financial backers to withdraw their support as his poll numbers begin to decrease. He'll just keep throwing his own money at the campaign until he gets tired of playing the game, takes his ball and goes home.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 09:04 PM

That equates to roughly 20% of voters

Oh, thank god- that means there's only 29 million complete assholes.
I feel so much better!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 09:08 PM

Again how many of them are messing with the poll takers like I did saying I want trump he will save us... You gotta figure lots of people want to see him waste his time and money for being a jerk


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 09:13 PM

I bet have or more of the people polled are doing the same thing so they can watch him say how popular he is when in reality he is to quote him a loser. I bet some people are switching parties just to watch him lose big


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 09:14 PM

I am sure there are people switching parties just so they can vote for him knowing its a sure Democrat win


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 10:26 PM

Then again, I'd guess a bunch of us just might not be answering phone calls from "unknown".


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 11:12 PM

New Hampshire presents new demographics regarding voters' intents. Much of the result of the vote will depend on the political leanings and considerations of Independents who make up about 40% of the voter population. It will be interesting to see how that vote gets spread around. They are the people the polls don't know much about.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: michaelr
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 11:48 PM

Frank Zappa said it best, many years ago:

"Politics is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Feb 16 - 11:58 PM

There's a chance that the majority of voters won't vote this election, so the chances of all candidates are amplified. The usual turnout is 60% for presidential election years, 40% when only state officers and members of congress are elected.
Still, I don't think Trump has much of a chance to win the general election. I think this is going to be a bad year for Republicans, because they are seriously divided. The true conservatives and the radio talk show conservatives can't find much common ground.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 09:11 AM

If you're going to quote Zappa, this is also germaine:

"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 09:51 AM

Let's assume that Der Donald ends up with a commitment from 35% of the delegates -- commitments mandated by the vote spread in their home state. The rest are split between Cruz, Rubio, etc. etc. etc.

The Republican Convention comes to the first vote and 35% of the delegates cast their vote for Trump, as they are required to do. That relieves them of the necessity to cast their second vote for him and puts the nomination into the hands of the party in general.

High up in the hotel towers, in a smoke-filled room, the Powers That Be decide that Kasich would be a far better candidate than any of the others.

Kasich is nominated and for political reasons he asks Ben Whatshisname -- the neurosurgeon -- to be his running mate. But Trump, now a loser, runs as an Independent, using his own money, with Palin as VP candidate (this tosses out any further affiliation with the Republicans for eaither of them, of course).

This splits the party into tiny fragments.

The Democrats don't have that kind of problem. They nominate Sanders, who asks Warren to run with him as VP. Clinton throws her committed followers behind the Sanders/Warren ticket.

Who wins?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Lighter
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 11:48 AM

Trump.

Unless Kasich picks Palin.

Then he wins.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Lighter
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 11:53 AM

BTW, Trump yesterday endorsed a (female) supporter's shouted charge that Ted Cruz is a "pussy" because he opposes waterboarding. The crowd went wild.

CNN would not repeat the word on TV.

Trump has said he'll do "worse things than waterboarding."

But only if he wants to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 12:01 PM

Some of us jeri don't have the luxury to not answer as most of their executive clients and even government officials block their numbers


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 01:38 PM

Nobody thought that the Trump campaign wood take off, so they let him spout....HOWEVER, he tapped into the anger of the American electorate, and quite to everyone's surprise he took off. Then people wonder 'Why?'
Trump's success, so far, can be DIRECTLY attributed to people's frustration with Washington, and DIRECTLY attributed to the perceived FAILURE of the Obama regime, to deal with ISIS, immigration, Obamacare, the economy, and cronyism, among other things, AND the FAILURE of the GOP to seemingly NOT being able to do anything about it, despite the last midterm elections to reverse, or de-fund some of his programs.
If Obama and his programs were really that good, we would have NEVER even heard of Trump's rise in popularity....which is only due to a backlash to the crap we have in Washington, pretending to be a government.
That being said, I'm not particularly a Trump supporter, and frankly, he's getting to be a worn out record...but ya' never know, he keeps surprising some people with his antics.
In other words, Thank Obama for Trump!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 05:23 PM

If Obama and his programs were really that good, we would have NEVER even heard of Trump's rise in popularity...

More everything-is-Obama's-Fault nonsense from Goofus - - or is it Alex Jones?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 07:25 PM

The Ginger Tosser....

but is that the real color?

Reminds me of the story about Lucille Ball. She actually had somebody say something about her to the House Un-American Activities nasties. It was just enough to get her splashed across the tabloid headlines for a week, maybe less. Then it was clear that the allegations amounted to nothing, and everybody backed off. And the punch-line was delivered by Desi Arnaz:

"The only thing about her that's red, is her hair -- and even that's phony."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Airymouse
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 10:36 PM

Shakespeare would have understood Trump's obscenity:" and long purples that liberal-shepherds give a grosser name." But I bet he would have been stumped by "ginger tosser."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Airymouse
Date: 09 Feb 16 - 11:00 PM

No I'm wrong. He would not have understood either obscenity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 03:21 AM

OK, Greggie, your post was your typical 'trollie-shit'...but I'll answer it...though you probably won't 'get it'....

A some of Obama's stuff I do agree with, some I don't. My chief complaint about him, is that he lied a LOT....and that is not up for a stupid debate..it's well known.....He lied, because he has a secret agenda...or why else would you lie about all the stuff he was proposing, and ramming through?? What a whole lot of you 'so-called liberals' don't quite 'get'...is that Obama isn't quite the 'socialist' that you were led to believe(which I've maintained for some time, as you know), also he was more of a corporate guy, USING the liberal ideology, to curry support from the 'so-calleds', and while telling you one thing, there was a secret agenda going on with his relationship with Wall Street and the 'banksters'...that some how gets brushed aside, and that even his 'devotees' have a hard time explaining(or even believing, for that matter). Wouldn't it be interesting to see Hillary's E-mails to him, and his to her?? Wouldn't you be curious to see the transcripts of her speeches to Goldman Sachs, that she was paid $675,000 for three??
You're not even interested, before you dismiss it and try to insult those who bring it up??...because ignorance is bliss??

Now if he, Obama, isn't part of the 'establishment Democratic/Republican Party', and REALLY a socialist....how come he hasn't come out and publicly, acknowledged, or endorsed Bernie Sanders, who IS an out-front socialist???? Why is everyone waiting to see if they may, or have to send out Biden??? Does he not like Sanders?? Or is Sanders a threat to Obama's act??...and therefore a threat to the whole corrupt act??? Are we waiting to see if Obama unleashes the Justice Dept. on Hillary,(depending on how she is doing in the primaries), BEFORE he, (or the 'Democrat Party'), sends, yet another candidate, into the 'election', in case the FBI refers the case for prosecution??
Hillary and Obama have each other over a barrel with this scandal, because it implicates a WHOLE LOT of people within the party, the multi-national corporations, banksters, and foreign countries..and buddies of both of them, and to whom they have more allegiance than their 'devoted believers', commonly referred to as a 'constituency'.

Shit man, I've been telling you this stuff for a LONG time now...and now it's starting to rear its nasty little head.

...and as I posted before, It is completely possible, maybe even probable, that the election may come down to Trump vs Sanders vs the 'business as usual Democrat/Republican puppet show'!...(which you gave me your shit about before)

Just a couple of things to THINK about, while you wait to jump out from under your bridge, and spout some derogatory nonsense, from your fantasized version of what you thought being 'liberal' was about.

Happy daydreams!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 03:27 AM

"Politics is the entertainment division of the military-industrial complex."

If only that were true! I've always thought that politics is the ENABLING division of the military-industrial complex.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 09:16 AM

Of course anything you say is up for debate, Goofus. You embellish or outright fabricate to make your point, so fact checkers are going to disagree - except that most folks here have taken your measure and won't waste their time. They'll just skip your post after reading the first couple of lines.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 09:30 AM

He lied, because he has a secret agenda.

Well, that settles it. Goofus really IS Alex Jones!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 09:31 AM

He just needs to have his hat re-foiled.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 09:48 AM

"People, don't let Bernie Sanders give America away! Don't let him.
I thought we were done with old communist Jews.
What was good for Julian and Ethel Rosenberg is good for the Sandman."

Donald Trump


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 09:50 AM

New York Daily News front page.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 10:30 AM

"God has made me the greatest Job Creator in History. You all will have a job everyday. If you Tail gate before the game you charge for every burger, if you hold the door open you get a fee, if you press an elevator button for someone else you get paid. With my everyday Jobs program every thing you do will earn a profit."

Donald Trump


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 11:30 AM

"People, I promised you a wall and make Mexico pay for it. We now have a signed deal...
Contingent upon my becoming President, which is now a sure thing, I
will sell Mexico our entire debt which I will forgive for 100 years of Mexico building and maintaining our wall.

Not only will we then be debt free but we will have our wall and leave it to Mexico to build it too. Now that is what I call the ART OF THE dEAL."

Donld Trump"


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 12:11 PM

I dunno what's come over the Daily News, Bruce. Sure ain't the paper it was in the 1960's!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 02:51 PM

Acme, Greggie F., and Sillymoron, have said NOTHING of substance, just more of the same crap of pointing their stupid ideological driven fingers.
The fact IS you morons don't know what the hell is going on. Greggie is sounding more like Marco Rubio...just repeating some memorized line over and over again.
Sorry Ol' Chaps, but what is plainly in front of us all, is clearly on 'my side'. History is too...but that makes NO difference to your typical blockheads.

The Fact is, that people who are 'independents' number into the mid 40's percents...that leaves the remaining 50% or so to divide between the Republican and Democrats!!...in other words the puppet show is crumbling...and why?....BECAUSE they are CORRUPT!..and people are tired of their bullshit performance, and don't believe their crap-ass lies anymore!....but you still hang on to them!..but then, who cares??

What don't you understand???????????

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 03:19 PM

Trump won nh with 30k votes.. Bernie won with around 146k votes follow by hillary will 80k votes.. What does that say


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Lighter
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 04:25 PM

Sez there were more Republicans to choose from, and maybe fewer Republicans voting.

In other words, only that Trump and Sanders are pretty popular with partisan voters in New Hampshire.

More interesting is that some 40% of independent (i.e., non-GOP) voters wanted Trump, and that among Dems who thought that "honesty and trustworthiness" were the most important traits for a candidate, only 5% chose Clinton.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 05:48 PM

olddude: "What does that say?"

Lighter: "Sez there were more Republicans to choose from, and maybe fewer Republicans voting."

Lighter, I pretty much agree with the latter part of your post, but the sentence, of yours, that I quoted above, is not accurate.

What it says, in answer to olddude, is that, people are NOT supporting the establishment parties. Both the front runners, whether you agree with their 'politics' or not, have the support of people reluctant to go along with the traditional party lines.

On the Democrat side, even they do NOT trust Hillary to tell the truth..which both Lighter, and I have pointed out.

On the Trump side, the Republicans have announced that they now are going to have a 'super-PAC' to stop him.....not even to endorse another candidate of theirs...just to stop him.

The OBVIOUS 600 pound gorilla in the room, is that both Sanders and Trump are getting their support, not from the 'Establishment Puppet Show' but from the regular voters....as I've pointer out a couple of posts ago, on this thread, but also on another thread.

The other thing I've pointed out, for years now, is that the bought and paid for 'party leaders', have been deceiving their respective parties with lies, hiding their secret agendas, and masking it with false pretenses of 'ideological' differences....when in reality, they are both the best politicians money can buy!!....

...and to Lighter, this went into full throttle, November 22, 1963.

JFK, was also bought off, in the election, in Chicago...with the organized crime bosses, but later decided NOT to play ball...and Bobby was going after them, and the corrupt union leaders. That being said, there were others involved....but I'm not getting into that, again, on this thread.

I believe you can go back over quite a few of my posts, for years, telling you about the 'corruption in BOTH parties'....matter of fact, click on my name above, in blue, and go to my posts...then scroll down to the bottom, and click, the grey box that says, "Posts Starting With Oldest"...and start reading the first, ummm...10 posts,, which, BTW, is under the thread name, "RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?", from when she ran against Obama the first time...8 years ago...and guess what???? Sound a bit familiar???????????????

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 06:26 PM

NOTHING of substance, just more of the same crap

Uh, look in the mirror, Goofus   Alex.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 09:20 PM

Reading some of the comments, it appears tome that the Republicans are currently going through a Citizen Kane moment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 01:55 AM

Both sides are, SPB. It looks like the Democrat people are voting, and supporting someone that the Establishment party leaders, would rather not run. They may very well come up with someone else. If it goes to a brokered convention, by either party, the party will pick who you are going to vote for..like it or not.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 02:36 AM

They always do sanity, and even if Mr Sanders is elected President he will face opposition from many ambitious members of his own party, who will curry favour with the media.

If elected Mr Sanders has an almost impossible job on his hands, he is a gift to "Big Business" and his policies will be turned into a running joke, just as the opposition parties do to Mr Corbyn in the UK.
The only reason Mr Corbyn has not been removed "to make Labour more electable" is the mandate given to him by a few hundred thousand committed people who voted for him in the leadership election.

You will find that most of Mr Sanders most dangerous enemies will be standing behind him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 05:32 PM

Yes....and here's another tidbit..the 'Democrat Party', will decide who runs, according to the delegate count, and not the popular vote count.
it's just how they set their rules.
So, if Clinton 'co-operates' with Obama, he may help her be 'the first woman president' and the FBI probe might be abated.....as long as she 'co-operates' with his rules....and if the FBI investigation is held back, or she is not indicted, they will do everything possible to bury Bernie Sanders.....while pretending to be 'socialists' themselves....but the nitwits will rejoice....because a 'Democrat' get's to run, supported by the whole, of the corrupted party....and hardly anyone would bitch...nor even 'get it'!!

As for me, they're going to do what they're going to do...but if they pull this off, there will be 'celebration'......until it manifests to what it really is...and by then, it's too late.

..and insofar as Trump goes, who knows what he's really about, other than getting to be president, is another new toy to gloat about!...after all, he thinks he deserves it...just like Hillary.
Neither one of them gives a rat's ass about 'We the People' except for lip service...and it's quite obvious.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 05:47 PM

Atta boy, Alex - keep the laughs coming!

Gues you never took an "American Government" or "Civics" class in Junior High School- or slept thru it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 07:35 PM

To Sanity AND BEYOND !

We all know what that is but take heart, study, learning , understanding and an evolution of personhood is open to us all.

You can do it, you know like one small step for man...
Unless your thing is mere provocation and that is a sad lonely unchanging place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: kendall
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 07:51 PM

DONALD TRUMP: "EVERY TIME HE OPENS HIS DIRTY MOUTH, IT'S LIKE AN EXPLOSION IN A JUNK YARD." (KENDALL MORSE).


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 08:10 PM

More like a fart in a junk yard, methinks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: frogprince
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 09:20 PM

I would say an explosion of "dire rear" in a junkyard would make the metaphor just about right...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 10:13 PM

Me thinks it's some one else's turn to do their homework. The Democrat Party's primary's rules, (look it up) count's the delegates at the convention, AND, you can win the popular vote, but it's the delegate count that determines who 'wins'. If the 'establishment party' coalesces around you, you're 'in'...if not, your history. The ONLY way to contest that, is with an overwhelming popular vote count, and cause an uproar,..OR run independently.
Here, check it out...this was just the first link on the LIST!!

Now some of you politically illiterates should do your own homework, and stop embarrassing yourselves!

The other one can crawl back under his bridge and watch some more Alex....I haven't bothered even listening to him in over ten-twelve years..and even that was extremely brief!!..nor have I gone to his site.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 11:45 PM

Oh yeah...In my last post, I included a link, 'informing' some of the know-it-alls, about the Democrat primary protocols...AND, in that link, you see a picture of Hillary with Jon Corzine.....So why is that significant??
Here, check it out!!
Everything that should pop your eyes out!!!

They sure look like buddies in that pic, eh???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 05:04 AM

Well Sanity, your opponents here don't seem to have much idea about who is likely to be the Democratic candidate for President, or how the whole scenario is going to pan out should Mr Sanders be elected.
I for one would be interested to hear their views on that.

Being abusive/sarcastic doesn't add much to what should be a serious discussion and I notice that you are prepared to link to relevant information.
I really don't understand the antipathy towards you as most people can see that American politics are starting to move beyond a Party game.
Mr Sanders talks about amending the Capitalist system...that is good but complicated......Nationalised Medicine,Education,Transport etc always brings about a change in peoples perceptions of their personal place in society, as I said above there are gains and losses and people need time to evolve.........we are trapped in a mindset of instant gratification.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 06:27 AM

Well, believe it or not, even though I posted a bit about Sanders vs Hillary, I cannot particularly say that I'm a Sanders supporter, or fan.
I think, at present, I'm still remaining an impartial observer...though, because I've stepped on the toes of some illusions, I'll be criticized for favoring on side or the other....but the truth is, so far, none of them have gained my trust, or vote, from either party.....I just start with who I'm NOT going to vote for, and work my way down. Now, if someone wants to 'overlook' various issues, and history, that's their deal..vote for anyone you like....some people like ideologues...some like crooks pretending to be ideologues..some may like pathological liars...that's their business...but let it not be said, that they made their choices blindly!!
   I think it was Nixon, who said that the American public had about a two week attention span...and he counted on it....and now it appears that a lot of 'so-calleds' are trying to prove him right!!

...and as I've posted quite a few times, when elections come up, it was Adlai Stevenson, who ran for president four times, so he SHOULD know...who said, "By the time a man is nominated for president, he's no longer fit for the job!".

So, I don't think that impartial observing, should be dismissed, as being partisan, or biased...but rather, will at least one of you clowns make at least some attempt at being honest...BEFORE you bullshit the people that you want to believe in you?????..Both parties!!...Then you won't try to inspire some bullshit 'security measures', crackdown, then revolution ....just to cover your insincere and crooked asses, just to stay in power????!!!!???!!

Just a thought....


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 08:34 AM

Last night's debate was quite interesting. I'd be happy to see either one of them in the White House, especially considering the meager offerings of the GOP. They didn't really cover much new ground but both parties put forth their case in an eloquent and a mostly civil manner without going for the "knock out sound bites" like their Republican counterparts do ad nauseum.
It was also gratifying to hear Sanders give Kissinger a good public spanking, though he should have mentioned Kissinger's disgraceful part in the 1973 coup d'etat in Chile and it's aftemath.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 08:48 AM

". . . though he should have mentioned Kissinger's disgraceful part in the 1973 coup d'etat in Chile and it's aftemath."

Ain't that the truth, Gillymor. Here's a link that may be of interest.

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB437/


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 08:57 AM

Thanks for the link, pound sign. I'll sock it away for later.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Lighter
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 10:08 AM

Many of today's voters have never even heard of Kissinger, who's been out of office since 1977.

Thirty-eight years ago.

Kind of like making an issue of Teapot Dome in the 1960 race, or of the Great Depression in 1980.

(PS: Scary, ain't it?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 10:23 AM

Be nice to see Kissinger tried for war crimes before he dies, instead of letting him get away with it like his buddy Pinochet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 11:48 AM

In regard to our unemployed masses, his work establishing relations with China was no gift either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 04:17 PM

Something about Kissinger, that I've posted quite a few times on here, that is a glaring example of bullshit being used to cater to the concerns of well-meaning people, for a hidden agenda of corruption.
In 1979, Kissinger made a 'deal' with the Saudis(on behalf of his international banking buddies) in which, we would stop drilling for oil on federal land, in exchange for the Saudis buying up our treasury notes, to cover our fiat money.

Trump is manipulating, people when he criticizes, the Obama regime, for (as he says), 'Making a horrible deal, with Iran.." in regards to the nuke deal, and releasing 160 billion dollars to Iran.
Everybody remember that??

Well, Iran needs the money to build up their military, to go against Saudi Arabia, defeat them...which, in turn, gets Kissinger's banking buddies off the hook....so in essence, they got the bonds purchased, AND with the Saudis that he made the agreement with, out of the way, the oil companies would be free to drill here....and the money flows, once again. While our economy is going down the drain, renewing the drilling here, will be marketed as a wonderful solution....when in reality, it was one huge scam on everyone, EXCEPT the banksters, and oil companies......but don't bitch, we all 'enjoyed' the benefits of it enough, while being 'soothed' with the environmental hoax! Shit, now they want to get the drilling going, and put a new carbon footprint tax on it...and once again, it's not about the 'environmental concerns' as it has been marketed as.
..and all this time, it was being 'marketed' as an 'environmental' reason, for us not to be doing new drilling here.

But that's OK!!...Politics will spin it to be something 'justified' for a 'righteous cause'!!....and that will pacify those once, well meaning people into being complacent, docile know-nothings, who pose no threat, to their agenda.

Simple.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 05:15 PM

Goofus may not be lunatic Alex Jones after all. He shows signs of being maniac conspiracy theorist Howard Nema from whom the last screed is lifted almost verbatm.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 09:42 PM

Never heard of him...nor am I, or did I Click the link.


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Feb 16 - 08:39 AM

Yerah right, Goofus, or should I say NemaJones?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Feb 16 - 02:29 PM

You sure know more about Nema and Jones than I do.
Why's that?? Do sit under your bridge feeding a bad attitude, then jump up here to launder it???
Sorry, can't help you.

GfS

P.S. Finally, you post a link, which I guess is supposed to 'say something'....but you've posted so many nasty little snipes at people, that are so meaningless, that I can't think of any reason that you've expected to post something that would be of the slightest interest to anyone. You've done more to prove that 'so-called liberalism' has been great source of mental deficiencies than most anybody in here!*


* MOST anyone...(there are a few others)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest ..an American Abroad
Date: 13 Feb 16 - 05:44 PM

I just get a laugh at all the Brits who think they know The United States of America.
I can detect few have set foot on her shore.
Donald Trump's mother was from the Isle of Lewis. That means he has good genes.
Maybe you should be rootin' for him. Maybe he is just an outspoken Scot! Many of you seem surprised at his way of speaking but I hear something similar everyday in Scotland. He is your brother, Scots, stop putting him down. He may be another Carnegie!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Feb 16 - 08:37 PM

GASP!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Feb 16 - 11:30 AM

Trump
Kissinger 2016 ?

nah, Whoever it will be will be a billionaire like Ted Lerner another rich know nothing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 14 Feb 16 - 01:31 PM

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/trump_and_drudge_for_the_win_again_matt_drudges_army_is_bigger_than_the_rncs/?utm_source=faceboo

Religious fundamentalism is scary wherever in the world it has taken hold, and the US ain't no different.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 14 Feb 16 - 02:44 PM

Being from some island a few hundred miles from civilisation doesn't give good genes. You don't have to step into a country in order to listen to how dismal and desperate their politics have become.

Patronising twat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Sanity Clause
Date: 14 Feb 16 - 04:54 PM

Why is there a kind of sexualised squealing from the supporters when American politicians say something the supporters agree with? Is this a new thing?

I find Trump and his what-a-naughty-boy-am-I tactics sinister, and reminiscent of earlier seemingly harmless loons, but not at all as sinister as the adoration shown to him by many Americans.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Feb 16 - 05:11 PM

Being from some island a few hundred miles from civilisation doesn't give good genes.

Goofus Jones-Nema is apparently a eugenecist- soon he/she/it will be going on about "Untermenschen".


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Feb 16 - 05:40 PM

"Patronising twat!!"    now that is ironic on many levels.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Feb 16 - 02:05 PM

Pope Francis: Pontiff Suggests GOP Presidential Candidate Donald Trump 'Is Not Christian'


You know that man could almost detoxify the Xtian brand for me. The Pope, not the SpunkTRUMPet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Feb 16 - 02:25 PM

Christian? Trump is barely HUMAN.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Feb 16 - 09:49 PM

Dyslexics for qmurT have declared any criticism of the actions or intentions by their great leader will be the same laws that Iram's Supreme Leader enjoys.

Death to anti qmurT traitors, get them out of here!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Feb 16 - 12:59 AM

Greg, you last post, as usual makes no sense, whatsoever...now is the post you quoted, from me.
I though Ake's next post, at first, was referring to you!

As far as Trump goes...well, he can just go....as in away!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Feb 16 - 01:29 AM

Correction on my last post:
NOW is the post you quoted, from me....
Should read:
NOR is the post you quoted, from me....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Over the bar
Date: 19 Feb 16 - 05:23 AM

R egardin TRump, dainty wise, there is move than in.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Feb 16 - 11:47 AM

'GUEST,Over the bar,' Are you sure, judging from your post, that you meant to sign in as 'Still at the bar', or perhaps, 'Slithered under the bar'??

GfS

P.S. .....and I'm not even a Trump supporter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 19 Feb 16 - 01:04 PM

Is anyone else as sick of this guy as me. Nothing but hate out of his mouth. So what he was born with money. I feel bad for his wife that kisses that mouth.. My vote is a very loud NO


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Feb 16 - 01:49 PM

Nothing but hate out of his mouth.

Now, that's not entirely true, Dan. There's also a lot of just plain bullshit as well. ;>)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Feb 16 - 02:22 PM

olddude: "Nothing but hate out of his mouth."
Nothing but hate out of his mouth.
Greg: "Now, that's not entirely true, Dan. There's also a lot of just plain bullshit as well. ;>)"

So presidential!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Feb 16 - 05:06 PM

As usual, Alex Goofus, you haven't a clue what you're talking about. Try putting the Clinton bit IN THE CONTEXT OF HER STATEMENT. Not that facts have ever bothered you, nor will they in the future.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 19 Feb 16 - 06:49 PM

I would take hillary In a coma over any of the
RRepublican front runners


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Feb 16 - 07:56 PM

Alex Goofus???..Boy!! Are you a broken record!!

I guess when you have nothing of value to say, you resort to childishness, and playground antics. YOU are REALLY embarrassing to anyone who pretends to be a 'liberal'!!

You would surely fit the profile of a Trump supporter!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Feb 16 - 08:03 PM

olddude: "I would take hillary In a coma over any of the
RRepublican front runners"

Were you in a coma when you typed that???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Feb 16 - 08:53 PM

Was there any point to writing that that wasn't mostly about being a snot?
Seriously, I'm not voting for Hillary in a coma, but I can't stand any of the Republicans.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Feb 16 - 10:51 PM

olddude is cool..I think he can find the humor in my reply to him.
My post was not in any way being 'snotty' to him..in fact, I'm hoping it gave him a chuckle.....just look at the post, as he typed it.

GfS

P.S. that being said, if you like Hillary, then vote for her...but as for me there are several candidates of whom I WON'T vote for. Hillary, Bush, and Trump top the list!

Fair enough?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 16 - 08:33 PM

Trump is going to win.
The Democrats will not get the vote out very well this time around..
Voter Suppression will work even more this time around with supreme court support.
Many people educated less than a Masters will vote for Trump with Enthusiasm

My brother chose to live in the rainforest for 30 years. His attitude regarding higher education is shaped by his lack of it

He is for Trump. The feeling of revenge by talented smart knuckle draggers is palpable.

We are all Dilberts now that are going to be rolled over by a boss with a crazy idea. As impossible as it sounds the silent apathetics with a racist chip on their shoulder are going to vote this time.

And they are going to vote for Trump.

The intelligentsia are going to be caught off guard. The rich Sheldon's and Kochs will see benefits of the band wagon and will be odd bed fellows with Trump. Trump won't refuse the $

This going to be the GOP's worst nightmare they never considered in their anti Hillary inspired Citizens United Supreme Court case invented primarily by Scalia.

There is such a thing as a pefect storm.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Feb 16 - 09:17 PM

The way things are being held, the voter isn't going to have much say in who will be the nominees.
Hillary may be snagged by the Justice Department, in which case Biden will come in....but not yet....maybe an 'October Surprise'.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Feb 16 - 04:23 AM

I'm very surprised by the apparent lack of interest by the Mudcat politicos?
Is there anyone in the Democratic ranks who can command popular support?
Is Mr Trumps bid viable?    Is he any less politically astute than President Reagan or LBJ?

Mr Obama was assisted in his Presidential bid by the "Black vote", will the "Women's vote" swing it for Mrs Clinton?

In America it seems to be simply a numbers game :0(


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: BobL
Date: 23 Feb 16 - 04:50 AM

An interesting article in New Scientist a couple of weeks ago compared Trump's political posturing to the antics of chimpanzees in the wild.
"Trying to be the alpha male of an entire planet" was the conclusion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,poise
Date: 23 Feb 16 - 05:29 AM

My 94 year old Mom thought Trump would make a fine President.
She liked him mostly I think because he really wants the job.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,poise
Date: 23 Feb 16 - 05:37 AM

Millionaires working for Billionaires in a Trillion dollar country.
(Just want to add that)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 05:50 AM

Is Mr Trump unstoppable?    Has America finally lost patience with politicians?.......Will Mrs Palin take over from Mrs Clinton? :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 05:55 AM

I wish some of the experts like Amos would come back and give us their views on how America is moving politically.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 08:15 AM

Trump is dominating the Republican primaries. But even most Republicans support other candidates.

And there are more Democrats than Republicans. There are also a great any independents (non-aligned).

So even if Trump can marshal nearly 50% of GOP votes in one caucus state (Nevada), that's only about one-fifth of the voters.

The Dems have so much "oppo" ("opposition research," or "dirt") on Trump that - unless Cruz or Rubio beats them to it - they can make him look like the loose cannon/ egomaniac/ know-nothing he is.

So I'm not too worried.

Yet. We have a proverb: "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,JTS
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 01:19 PM

Trump is yet another example of the death throws of the GOP. As the reactionaries and mean mouthed bigots come to dominate the primaries, the are becoming less and less likely to win general elections, ten or fifteen years from now, they will be irrelevant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Sorry mods
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 01:20 PM

I logged out to post this.

An expert opinion has be requested (no, I am NOT Amos).

The Repugnants and Demagogues are one under the guise of different ideologies and goals and they play the game well together. This ongoing dog and pony show (DPS) with Trump as the chief clown is an example par excellence. Allow me to explain. Bear with me while I jump back and forth in my hypotheses.

Sanders is a very real threat(s) to the Man Behind the Curtain (MBC... those wealthy who control policy in the USA and beyond) whether it be domestic or foreign based threats in military or environmental or whatever issues/actions which may hurt the MBC. The MBC orchestrates a DPS which has the most chance of ensuring Clinton will be elected.

How so? Where's my proof? WTF???

Look at the Repugnant candidates. Religious lunatics, incompetents, truly nasty and lying SOBs, Evil Doers who control the SCOTUS, the works. Fear is spread that an asshole will be elected because MBC has put assholes up for consideration and made sure the non-assholes got turfed early on with big $$$.

So, fear is "imposed". Fear of an asshole being elected has the best chance of ensuring a Clinton presidency.

Fear will sway a LOT of people to vote for Clinton in the end of it all. So, pay no attention to the Repugnant DPS. Pay attention to Clinton-Sanders and pay attention to the "fear". Sanders is actually ahead right now in REAL delegates and REAL popular endorsements. That's why the claws have come out... sillyass shit like "Sanders" is a one issue candidate and such. I expect it will get worse.

No, I haven't discussed all the issues that go into analyzing Clinton v Sanders but I think I did what I said I would do and that was to explain that the Repugnant DPS run by the MBC is meant to use fear as a tool in getting Sanders "not elected" SCOTUS.

YMMV.

P.S. The recent federal Canadian election is a fine example of the use of fear in elections.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 02:10 PM

One side of the coin:

If it comes down to a Trump v Clinton election, the winner will be the one who is hated the least by people within his/her own party. There are large numbers of Democrats who dislike Hillary and large numbers of Republicans who dislike The Donald. The deciding factor will be whether those non-fans will hold their noses and vote for someone they don't like. On that score, I think Clinton comes out ahead. Most Sanders supporters would probably be willing to vote for Clinton, but I don't think a lot of mainstream Republicans would vote for Trump.

The other side of the coin:

Republicans hate Hillary Clinton so much that they'd vote for Beelzebub himself if it would keep her from becoming President.



Flip the coin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 04:58 PM

Thanks guys, some good comments there.
GUEST Sorry Mods.....enjoyed your post....but...but.

" Fear of an asshole being elected has the best chance of ensuring a Clinton presidency".............but surely Clinton is the biggest most dangerous asshole of all(Libya/Iraq)?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 06:16 PM

"Most dangerous"?

How about Trump's Nevada victory speech in which he gloated, "Now we're going to get greedy for the United States — we're going to grab and grab and grab. We're going to bring in so much money and so much everything."

Or the other day, when he said of a disruptive protester, "You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They'd be carried out on a stretcher, folks. I'd like to punch him in the face!"

Q: What noted Italian politician of the '20s and '30s does he remind you of?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 06:20 PM

surely Clinton is the biggest most dangerous asshole of all

On the basis of that statement, Ake, I believe that honor definately belongs to you.

Once again, you're simply displaying a total ignorance of the Republican candidates.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 06:30 PM

Yes I see that Lighter, but at this stage we are dealing in rhetoric, politicians say what they think their constituents want to hear.
Mrs Clinton has actually had her hands on the levers of power and made an horrific mess of it, the results of which may be irreparable?
She has proved herself un-statesmanlike.

Even someone like Mr Trump who's policies I oppose may turn out to be the man of the hour.
America badly needs leadership and from here it looks as if many even in the Democratic Party just do not trust her or ex President Bill.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,GUEST, keberoxu
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 06:44 PM

I searched this thread, and maybe I missed it, but....has no one used the A-word? I'm not being superstitious because the year is number 2016, either.

How could someone this extreme get into the Oval Office and not attract assassination attempts? One extreme ignites another.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 10:08 PM

Even someone like Mr Trump who's policies I oppose may turn out to be the man of the hour.

I take it back, Ake -You're not an ignorant asshole after all. You're insane.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 12:20 AM

Hillary will smoke him in the general election and will be the next president.. And I will be over the moon happy.. And I will send you a picture of me with my feet up in the oval Office.. Oh yes


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 12:24 AM

I was just listening to Cruz talking to megyn Kelly... Yikes he scares me as bad as the Donald.. However, if you turn the volume off and don't listen, megyn Kelly is a cutie.. I like her new hair do


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 12:33 AM

Cnn is talking about trump not releasing his tax return.. Romney is asking the question, interesting.. I wonder why.. Hillary released hers a long time ago.. Who is hiding what


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 12:39 AM

What do you think will replace the Republican party when they go extinct after the election


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,poise
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 12:52 AM

Your feet up...priceless Old Dude:-)

I was hoping my Mom would see a woman in Office this election but ironically my sisters did her in. She had been following politics since Wendell Willkie


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 06:37 PM

Hey, I haven't read the whole thread here. This is something I posted elsewhere, that gnu thought might be appropriate in this thread...

"DONALD Trump will sweep Super Tuesday balloting, pretty much assuring him of the Republican Nomination. At that point, he will begin a gradual drift toward the center that will continue into the convention.
At heart, he is certainly no right wing ideologue, as some are portraying him. He is a pragmatic egotist who knows that no one wins the Repub nomination without solid support from the extreme Right.
Once they have given him what he wants, the nomination, he will begin to mend fences with the party stalwarts and the big funders like the Koch brothers. His tone, manner, and language will become much more moderate as he begins selling himself to the Centerists and fiscal conservatives, who really have no other choice but to support him. You will see the statesman-like Trump, a man that will have many Republican centerists begin giving him their grudging attention.
By the time of the general election, he counts on all of his bellicose and racist rhetoric being put in the past. The job becomes, then, to paint Clinton as a corrupt liberal party-pawn, and he may have the money to do it, and to portray himself as the common sense, moderate alternative. His religious conservatives that delivered him the nomination will also find they have no alternative but to continue to support him, though the fervor will be gone.
You watch"


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 07:55 PM

EJ.....That's just about the most realistic commentary that I've seen posted....congratulations.

I've been saying for years that to effect realistic change, you first have to carry the right, Mr Trump is nobody's fool, your scenario is interesting and perhaps we could be seeing the start of the fracture of the American "Two party system" (with one agenda).
Talking heads on one of our political weekly shows to-night unanimously made Mr Trump favourite to take the presidency.

The reason? Mr Sanders' perceived "Socialism" will alienate a large sector of the American centre left, handing the candidacy to corporate supporter Mrs Clinton.
Mr Trump will then work on public distrust of the Clintons to promote himself as apolitical, the new broom, untainted by political or corporate affiliations.

More or less the scenario which you have projected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 12:42 PM

Don't get me wrong. I do not think Donald Trump is in any way good for the country. His rise is a signifier of several things: Widespread frustration, dissatisfaction and anger that desires fast solutions to complex problems among the voters. The near complete conversion of the Republican Party into a pseudo-patriotic rabble. And a revelation of the electoral process as what it is becoming, a reality show with strategic product placement. The fact the Trump will change chameleon-like to whatever suits his ultimate purpose just reveals what a grand manipulator he is. His lack of any basic belief in anything beyond his own personal greatness is not something that should capture the hopes of those looking for a new birth of freedom, or even a return to the glorious and mystical past. What he is selling is a bottle labeled Hope, that in fact contain effervescent sugar-water.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 12:50 PM

I pretty much agree with that as well EJ, but surely it would be "good for the country" to see an end to the stupid Pubs/Dem phoney war?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 12:52 PM

Nope sorry hillary all theway my ffriends


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 12:54 PM

I going to have a cigar in the oval Office, hopefully not one of bill Clintons


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 01:04 PM

Well, I sort of hope you get your wish Dan.   Just for you mind!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 01:04 PM

Trump's popularity will start to wane when he's given enough rope and pushes the assholery too far. I don't know what "too far" means, though.

There's a large element that would rather destroy the country (and the world, I think) than admit they might have missed some important things and change is needed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 01:06 PM

olddude, I hope you have that cigar. Make sure it's still in a wrapper.

Akenaton, what makes you think Trump would end any wars? We are going to decrease the bombing, and increase the waterboarding? As for the phony wars, there were some fairly good grounds for going into Afghanistan, if not for continuing an occupation. Iraq? Sure, that was a Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld boondoggle, but for Obama, just walking away from the mess there has certainly been no simple task.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 02:04 PM

Sorry EJ, I meant the phoney war between Republicans and Democrats

The followers of both parties seem terribly polarised.
Maybe if more folks challenged the Party system change would come with the right people, not Party hacks.

I suppose in America huge sums of money are required from both Democrat and Republican candidates, so it is not easy to get people who actually want to change the system into position?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 02:40 PM

Absolutely no Monica left overs Lol


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: frogprince
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 05:04 PM

"I suppose in America huge sums of money are required from both Democrat and Republican candidates, so it is not easy to get people who actually want to change the system into position?"

Everyone hang unto your hats, Ake got something about the American political scene right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 05:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4OwJOVi0ec

From a person from the other side of Trump's proposed wall.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Airymouse
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 06:16 PM

In both parties, the party regulars (establishment) had political debts to their respective dynasties(Clinton, Bush) that were called in before the primaries began. So both the RNC and the DNC tried to smooth the way for their heirs apparent. The RNC made Florida an all-or-nothing primary, thinking Jeb! would get the most votes in his home state. Now, well on Tuesday actually, Trump will get all of Florida's delegates and that will clinch his nomination. I'm just guessing about the future of course, but Governor Christie's endorsement of Trump suggests that he shares my view. The DNC appointed Debbie Schultz as their chairman, not what you would call an unbiased choice, and it changed the rules about taking PAC money in order to give Ms. Clinton access to more funds. The scheduling of the debates was obviously designed to help her too. Moreover, the super-delegates are almost all regulars and so almost all of them are voting for Hillary. Trouble is this arrangement leaves the young voters, who overwhelmingly support Senator Sanders, and those independent voters who favor Sanders seeing the fix was in. If Trump wins, an outcome neither the RNC nor the DNC wants, part of the blame will lie at their feet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Airymouse
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 07:34 PM

Oops The Florida primary is on March 15th, but we will have a clear view of Trump's triumph by March 2nd.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Donuel
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 07:55 PM

You know my name but I never wanted to hare it the The Donald.

Once Trump is elected there will be the Trail of Tears II.
All the politicians who pleaded moderate and there staff will be marched out of town to the Mason Dixon line.

Already the people in Washington who actually knew how to get things done are being expelled by budget tricks and pay cuts.

There are so few knowledgeable staffers that Corporations are writing the laws of the land and this is considered normal.

Yes there are stupid regulations to prevent corrupt graft and stealing but with a Trump Presidency it will be privatization giveaway while the true honest genius government employees will be decimated AGAIN.--

Some people think that the private sector is the point of the spear of progress but it is never the case especially in the early stages

Every success claimed by the March of Dimes clinics was given to them by the NIH.

The goal of Billionaires is right out of a Bond film when they drown the embattled government in a bathtub so the rich boys can raid the cookie jar.

THERE WILL BE dEALS WITHOUT democracy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 03:43 AM

Well. I've been watching some of the news shots on line and Fox News seem to hate Mr Trump even more than the Democrats do. You guys all seem to hate Fox News.....how does that work?...is it all just a political charade?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,ollaimh
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 04:16 AM

welcome to the real world spb, but the british perfected water boarding on irish prisoners illegally detained during the seventies in northern ireland, and then their experts in torture taught the americans how to do it. not to mention the convictions for troture of british regiments in iraq near basra. the british have always used torture. in kenya over a hundred thousand illegally detained and beaten and starved, one autheor says a half million.

the anglo powers have always used torture. they have usually had compliant media to help with a cover up, but they have always used torture.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 06:17 AM

Nobody posting to this thread should fail to watch last Thursday's debate or Trump's unbelievable two-hour tirade yesterday. I've never seen anything like either in American politics.

Trump also told Andy Cuomo of CNN that a likely reason for the IRS audit of his tax records is that he's "a strong Christian."

Ponder that statement.

In fact, the IRS routinely audits the tax returns of people who earn millions a year. Including Trump.

And if you're comparing Hillary's judgment to Donnie's, recall his plan to drop thousands of paratroopers into Iraq and Syria to seize the oil fields, seal them off, and start pumping the oil for ojrslves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 06:44 AM

"Trump terrifies the establishment. He has survived attacks by his own party, by the Democrats, the Pope, the Chinese government, former Mexican Vicente Fox and many more. He is unstoppable. People want change. Not the empty establishment change of Obama, but a true change.

With any luck Trump will prosecute the Bush and Clinton crime families, dismantle the IRS, and build a wall along the Mexican border to keep the drug cartels and the unvetted terrorists out of the U.S.

I never thought I would be happy with a presidential candidate again, but I am."

A perfect illustration of what's wrong with democracy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 09:58 AM

Trump terrifies the establishment.

Trump terrifies the intelligent.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 10:25 AM

Fox News seem to hate Mr Trump even more than the Democrats do... how does that work?

Easy. The Roger Ailes bullshit machine pretty much created the ignorant, racist, blowhard, nasty piece of felon dirt that Trump is, and instead of being grateful, their creation has bit 'em in the ass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 11:44 AM

Well, I'm beginning to think Mr Trump is a very clever and able man and is likely to be the next president of the USA.

EJ's summation of his campaign was right on the button.

I suppose that as someone above suggested, there is always the chance that Mr Trump will be assassinated by the "left".


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 11:50 AM

Well I'm beginning to think that Mr Trump is clever and able and likely to be next president of the USA.
EJ's summation of his campaign was right on the button.

I suppose as someone above suggested, there is always assassination, but are the Clintons desperate enough?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 01:15 PM

' I suppose that as someone above suggested, there is always the chance that Mr Trump will be assassinated by the "left". '

It's more likely the Republican Party would bump him off. But I may 'misunderestimate' what you mean by "left".


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 01:27 PM

Hey #, is there a GoFundMe page for that? ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 01:57 PM

"With any luck Trump will... build a wall along the Mexican border to keep the drug cartels... out of the U.S."

This person seems to be under the delusion that drugs are smuggled into the US by Mexicans hiking across the border with backpacks full of contraband. In fact, most of the drug traffic from Mexico comes into the US either hidden in vehicles passing through manned checkpoints, via tunnels dug under the border, or by boat. Exactly how a wall could affect either of those smuggling modes is a mystery to me.

Anyway, as has been said before, "If the US builds a 12-foot wall, it will only prove to be a financial boon to Mexicans making 13-foot ladders."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 02:33 PM

But I may 'misunderestimate' what you mean by "left".

HEdoesn't understand what he means by "left" since most of the U.S. population - including the current Democrat and Republiturd parties are considerably right of center.

The only thong approaching a viable "left" in the U.S. is Mr. Sanders, god bless him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 02:38 PM

Bernie Sanders and "thong" in the same sentence. Silent scream...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 05:03 PM

Hi #, sorry about that, made a bit of a bollocks there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 03:51 AM

Hi, Ake. No problem :-)

What is happening in the US is the meltdown of the Republican Party itself. Federally, they have been crap for all of this century, and worse, they keep on providing proof for that conclusion. Eight years under Cheney/Wolfowitz/Rumsfeld/Bush and eight under Obama, the Republican Party has demonstrated its ability to lie, cheat, steal and generally screw up everything it touches. They are so wrapped up in their internecine rivalries that they're coming apart, and that is no less than the Republican Party deserves for providing sixteen years of garbage politics, obstructionist tactics in the House and Senate, and a willingness to hurt economically poor citizens in its march to the greater glory of the lunatic chorus led by people of dubious mental abilities. Here I include Palin, Bachmann, Cruz, Trump: basically, the people who come to mind when one thinks of the term 'stupid and proud of it'. However, it's equally wise to beware of stupid people in groups. The problem the Republicans face--and no mistake, they did bring it on themselves--stems from the people who give lip-service to whatever plays well for the audience of the moment. The Republicans have direction problems: anti-policies aren't policies, no matter how much they may wish it were so. Google

Washington Post Kareem-Abdul Jabbar

and read his column of Feb.1, 2016. IMO, he has a good grasp of the situation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 09:46 AM

Only a matter of time until Heil Donald!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 11:43 AM

The strategy of running to the right to gain the GOP nomination and swinging back to the center in the general election, as most GOP candidates do, probably won't work for Trump. He's taken such extreme views to solidify his core constituency, poorly educated white males, that any pretense of moderation or softening of his demagoguery will alienate that large but stagnant voting block, who are not enthusiastic voters to begin with. Even with this triangulation he won't get much traction with Democrats considering the platform of racism and intolerance that he presently espouses. I can see the Super PAC TV ads now with Trump railing against Mexicans and Muslims, proposing the murder of terrorist's families and enhanced torture. He's painted himself into a corner and the RNC knows this and are currently searching for ways to circumvent the democratic process, a process they show little respect for.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 11:54 AM

The penultimate sentence in my last post should have started: "I can see the Super PAC TV ads from the Democrat camp now...".


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 12:30 PM

Dr Strangelove = Donald Trump, God help the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 10:22 AM

And yet more from my favorite piece of shit:

Donald J. Trump came under fire on Sunday for declining to disavow the support of David Duke, the white nationalist and ex-Ku Klux Klansman who has called him "by far the best candidate."

"Well, just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke," Mr. Trump said in an interview with CNN. [Yeah, right.]

The discussion of Mr. Trump's support among white supremacists comes on a day when he also re-posted a tweet quoting Benito Mussolini, the founder of the fascist movement, and called for libel laws to be weakened so that he could more easily sue the press when it covers him critically.

Article Here


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 03:04 PM

Why are you guys ganging up on Trump??.. He is a liberal charading as a 'so-called Conservative'. He's YOUR guy!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 03:12 PM

It's hard to argue with that logic, GfS.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 03:47 PM

I don't care if Trump is a liberal posing as a conservative, a conservative posing as a liberal, or a penguin posing as a Labrador retriever, the one thing he's not pretending to be is an asshole. No pretending required. His assholeness transcends all political labels.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 04:54 PM

Could anyone explain why 84% of the black vote in South Caro went to Mrs Clinton as opposed to Mr Sanders?

Mr Sanders is a mild socialist, while Mrs Clinton is an establishment corporatist.....are black folks like the people who vote for Mr Trump?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 06:40 PM

Could anyone explain why 84% of the black vote in South Caro went to Mrs Clinton as opposed to Mr Sanders?

One could, Ake, but what would be the point as far as you are concerned?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 06:43 PM

You're wrong about Hillary, Ake. We've told you that many times. Perhaps you're reading the GOP click bait without fact-checking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 08:40 PM

Is there a place online where one might view the 'statistical model' used by Prof Norpoth to arrive at his results?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 09:11 PM

Just in case Norpoth's right, Is Canada still accepting immigrants, Bruce? And what are the criteria for aceptance?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 09:22 PM

I'll go out on a limb here, and say I think he's going to push the 'stupid' too far. He's just about there now. Secret Service on his detail took out a Time photographer, protesters are giving him plenty of opportunity to lose it, and I can't believe at least a few of his minions won't realize he is definitely not presidential material. His rise is just way, WAY too reminiscent of Hitler's.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 11:27 PM

Jeri: "...I can't believe at least a few of his minions won't realize he is definitely not presidential material. His rise is just way, WAY too reminiscent of Hitler's."

Ya' know, that thought has occurred to me, as well.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 04:04 AM

Woody Allen on Trump's father.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 04:40 AM

Or rather, Woodie Guthrie!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 04:42 AM

Thanks for the link to that excellent review, JTT. I think you meant Guthrie not Allen though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 12:04 PM

http://primarymodel.com/

Found it for anyone interested.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 12:06 PM

Oh, cut him some slack...politicos are usually scrambled when it comes to accuracy.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: keberoxu
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 01:11 PM

Super Tuesday, and all is well....


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 01:23 PM

Thanks for the responses Acme and Greg, but neither answer my question as to why black voters preferred an incompetent establishment politician with a very bad record in the State Dept, to one who really wants to improve health and education and change American economic policy.

Acme, I don't read Republican propaganda. I have a genuine interest in the subject of political change in the US and am surprised at the strength of vote in the black demographic......I thought someone from the left would have been preferable to the black community?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 02:04 PM

That's a good question, Ake. All people being equal, I expect 'black voters' are just as stupid as white voters. People only know what they read in the news, and it's been lots of hoopla recently--well, actually for 16 years--and most Americans seem to be fed up with the Republicans (and their record does speak for itself), and others aren't all that pleased with the Democrats being so cozy with the very rich. It may result in three parties on the political landscape divided by ideologies and what they think they know. There are many factions and factors at play right now.

We see with Trump's popular support that long-time Republicans are 'fed up to here' with the GOP as it has become. If the Republicans don't endorse Trump there will be a further split and it will be ugly. The only person I can see who has a hope against Trump is Kasich. I expect Rubio and Cruz will fall today, or at least become walking wounded. (Shoulda left all that religious stuff out of the campaign, and in both their cases they should have left higher-order thinking to people with brains.) The problem is that stupidly-thought out rants won't put bread on the table and Trump has no platform, just platitudes. Platitudes sell well until something concrete needs doing. Make America great again? It hasn't been great for decades. Just well-armed. So for now, if news sites can keep Trump front-and-center (and Sanders out of the media), it will be what we know it will be. For a few more months. Then policies will matter, and it'll be to late for Trump to develop any. YMMV.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 02:11 PM

an incompetent establishment politician with a very bad record in the State Dept

Accordiong to YOU, the Tea Party assholes & who else, Ake?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 02:32 PM

Some perspectives on Hillary Clinton's appeal to African-Americans HERE.

An excerpt:

As she campaigns in front of African-American audiences Hillary Clinton presents herself as the president's most stalwart ally against conservative and Republican efforts to delegitimize him, and she offers herself as the most reliable defender of Obama's legacy. Black voters, suspecting that many Americans are determined to erase any evidence of the president's accomplishments once his term is over, believe that electing Hillary will put an exclamation mark at the end of the Obama presidency.

For many older African-American voters, voting for Hillary is a way to vote for Obama one final time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 02:48 PM

Don't confuse Ake with facts, Bee-Dub.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 05:31 PM

Thanks BWL and #....so that's what its about.
Sort of playing the race card in reverse.
Really sneaky, I hope Mr Sanders can put his point across, I think he will have to start being a bit more proactive....politics is a dirty business and the American public should be made aware of where Mrs Clinton's real allegiances lie ....The Clinton Dynasty.
No change available in that direction, and to be brutally honest, the mess in the Middle East and North Africa can be fairly laid at Mrs Clintons support for "Democratic change" i.e. the Arab Spring; and her support for two of the maddest wars in History, Iraq and Libya.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 07:21 PM

It seems that the Republican party is beginning to panic at the prospect of Trump winning the nomination. As someone who is unfamiliar with the finer points of US politics I would like to know if it is possible for the Repubs to disavow him, ie say that he doesn't represent them and put up another candidate?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 08:13 PM

You expect logic and reason from the Republicruds?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 08:15 PM

I don't think the Republican establishment will try to disqualify Trump. If they do, he'll run as an independent and take a large chunk of votes away from the Republican nominee. Unless three of the other four Republican candidates fall on their swords very soon, Mr. Trump is going to be the nominee. Short of shooting him and blaming it on the Democrats, they're gonna be stuck with him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 08:44 PM

I think the Republican candidates should settle it by dueling like burr and hamilton, and Jackson also. It would be easier on our ears


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 10:35 PM

2016 Presidential Countdown Clock

Knock yourselves out. Most of you are saying nothing new here, you keep fighting the same running battle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 01:02 AM

Guest: "As someone who is unfamiliar with the finer points of US politics I would like to know if it is possible for the Repubs to disavow him, ie say that he doesn't represent them and put up another candidate?"

Trump's big angle, is that he fancies himself as a 'winning negotiator'. I think that he thinks he can 'negotiate something' to come to a compromise, with the 'party' or anything he decides, at the moment.....for just about anything HE wants...that's HIS game...and the underlining message in his book...It's All About 'The Deal'. Virtually all the outrageous claims and promises, that gave him so much controversial press, I believe are 'negotiation starting points'. He's gambling with himself, about his abilities...and the 'trophy' is 'to win the deal'....(check out his book..scan it if you don't want to read it all)...and you will get a sense of HIS GAME.......thing is, egocentrics rarely take into consideration, that there are lots of people who don't want to play....especially when their country and their freedoms are at stake.

Now, both the sad and tragic things about this all are, that a lot of his supporters, have been 'taken in'..don't see it...and don't see that this is all about him....and they will not realize the assumptions they were misled to believe, they actually had no part of partaking of the 'benefits'....they, will just be footprints left by him, while walking on his way, to close the deal...to close another one, on the way to 'Whatever-land' ...'winning the GAME'*.


* To Engage in a Game, in psych terms, is for 'an ego verification'.

Hope that all makes sense to you.
Bottom line is that NOBODY can count on what or where he would steer the nation...or for what 'end'....making up his mind, is always in 'negotiation', too.
...as long as it is about him, and his alter-ego.......du'jour.

Hope that all makes sense to you.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 01:41 AM

The Atlantic has provided some views worth reading if one wishes to gain a wider understanding of how average Americans feel about Tuesday's results. I have read about a third so far and if you have the time (I estimate it will take a half hour to forty-five minutes) it's worth it in that the posters aren't squabbling.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/super-tuesday-results/471666/


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 08:52 AM

Rubio, predictably, came up just short of declaring victory last night despite a poor showing. His new strategy of trying to match Trump's belligerency might bite him in the ass but in this environment it might save it. After Cruz, he is,of the available candidates, the one I'd least like to see in the White House after witnessing his anti-democratic, non-inclusive, strong arm tactics as Speaker of the Florida House.

Glad to see Sanders do well last night. The brightest spot in this election cycle is seeing him connect with young people and raising all that money through small and numerous donations. Does this augur a swing back to the left as the millennials come of age? I don't think he can win the nomination but I'm glad he's out there educating people on the ravages of Reaganism and unregulated greed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 12:26 PM

If Trump wins Ohio and Florida, any hope of a brokered convention or backstage maneuvering by the Republican elite is impossible.

If Trump even just wins Florida the chance to depose Donald is one in a hundred.

The means to reverse the primary would involve a fixer to visit each state capitol and get a deal according to Benjamin Ginzberg.

So don't hold out hope.

A record setting turnout is required by the Dems.

Can we do it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 01:07 PM

I seriously hope Trump does not win, but I wonder if those who wrote the opening posts are as confident as they were. It seems to me many of those claiming a Hillary win is near certain in a head to head with Trump are the same people who said Trump would never get this far.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 01:36 PM

Most people here consider themselves above average in intelligence and education. Even if true they/we would be a minority.

Trump supporters are not above average or smarter than average and are finally pissed off but at the wrong actors.

I believe progressives and liberals are able to reassess previous assumptions. The elite Republican establishment did not do so until it was too late.
It started with the fabrication of the Tea Party. The crash of the economy changed the minds of the disenfranchised more than the rich elite were capable of imagining. (until it happens to you)

The Dems do not have the young political talent who can unite like minds be they right or left. We have Bernie, and he too is a bit ridged and stubborn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 06:41 PM

Chris Christie is standing behind Donald in hopes of table scraps but he is going to get bupkis.

Donald will probably nominate a military general like McChristal to lend an air of toughness on Isis.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 11:34 PM

Donuel: "Chris Christie is standing behind Donald in hopes of table scraps but he is going to get bupkis."

..one addendum...

"Chris Christie is standing behind Donald, looking like a desperate thug, in hopes of table scraps but he is going to get bupkis."


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 12:19 AM

Whatcha expect? He's from Jersey.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 05:29 AM

Guest, My post of: "From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
                   Date: 02 Mar 16 - 01:02 AM"

Is a pretty accurate profile of him, without making 'moral judgements'.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Thompson
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 05:39 AM

Apart from his drama and comedy, what policies has he promised? To build a wall between Mexico and the US and force Mexico (how?) to pay for this? To send home any non-Americans living in the country without a green card? What else?
Have economists costed his various proposals and their effect on the US economy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 08:30 AM

Here's an interesting article from a former minister on Trump's appeal to white evangelicals/supremacists.

It's rich to hear Mitt Romney, who did a lot of public sucking up to the Donald when he was running in 2012, rattling on about Trump's tax returns when he never made his own public. After numerous appeals from democrats he eventually came forth with a summary.

I used to have some grudging respect for Chris Christie until I saw him standing behind Trump looking like a mob leg breaker.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 08:48 AM

He's going to make America gag again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 09:12 AM

Another nugget from the Pro-Trump camp. Makes me really proud to be an American. Not.

NY Times    2 Feb 2016

On Super Tuesday, two commentators on CNN argued about the Ku Klux Klan. On television. In America. In 2016.

Mr. Lord responded that ...Democrats were "dividing people by race" and besides, the Klan was a "leftist" terror group.

Again: This is 2016. And here was a white panelist suggesting that his African-American peer should really go back and learn his history before criticizing someone about the Klan.

Article Here


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 09:35 AM

I think it was Dick Gregory who said in reference to the KKK that it wasn't the hats that were pointed, it was the heads.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 10:41 AM

' Mr. Lord responded that ...Democrats were "dividing people by race" and besides, the Klan was a "leftist" terror group. '

I am now officially confused by the meanings of left and right as they pertain to politics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 10:50 AM

Trump IS the brown acid


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 11:36 AM

Bruce, I haven't thought of Dick Gregory in a long while.

Thank God he's still out there, fighting the good fight.

I was also always rather fond of his statement that
"I never believed in Santa Claus because I knew no white dude would come into my neighborhood after dark."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 02:08 PM

Guest,#, it is the oldest argument tactic in the world to find your most vulnerable area, and attack your opponent first on that topic. Republicans have been doing it for years. Accused of Fascism? Call your opponents "Feminazis". Accused of racial bias because of your nasty attacks on a black president? Tell everyone you hate him because he's a liberal, not because he's black...gosh, we never even noticed, we're so color-blind in the Republican Party. Accused of cozying up to the Klan? Well, didn't everybody know the Klan sprung up in the south in opposition to reconstruction, a Republican process, and in states that consistently voted democratic until the mid-1960s? Therefore they were an offshoot of the democratic Party, who are liberals, and therefore the Klan are liberals. Like Obama.
If your candidate refuses to condemn the Klan, why waste time defending that fact? Go on the attack...the Klan are liberals!
The tactic is obvious. What is more difficult to understand is why reasonable people fall for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 02:26 PM

Trump IS the brown acid.

That's being far too kind to Trump. The bad trip from brown acid only lasts twelve hours, not four years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 04:11 PM

Thanks EJ for the explanation and commentary.

Greg, Dick Gregory certainly has a wit and he does employ it. He's got to be in his eighties by now. I read 'Nigger', his autobiography and have enjoyed him ever since.

Jeri and BWL, it's baaaad acid.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 05:39 PM

it's baaaad acid.

My brother and some of my friends dropped it before the announcement was made. They enjoyed it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Mar 16 - 06:15 PM

Heil Donald!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Mar 16 - 02:38 AM

Hey Greg, you attack on people not checking their sources....and for your 'source' you post a biased article from the op-ed section of the NYT???? Great 'source'(?)!!

Try an original opinion of your own....if you're capable...of either!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Mar 16 - 02:41 PM

I'm rather surprised at you folks, making lame jokes about someone who from nothing has really galvanised the right wing and centre of American politics seems to miss the point.

This is democracy at work, a huge swathe of Americans appear to feel that they are not represented by the established Parties and have backed someone who seems to speak for them.....they simply don't like the direction that America is taking and have frightened the shit out of the political establishment.

One thing seems fairly certain, no sort of systemic change will be achieved by the election of the Clinton Dynasty. Business as usual, I think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 04 Mar 16 - 03:42 PM

"has really galvanised the right wing and center of American politics"

Not exactly. Cruz and (to a slightly lesser extent) Rubio are the right and Kasich is clearly the center.

Trump's promises are inconsistent with any established GOP faction. And he frequently contradicts himself from one day to the next. ("Let the Russians take care of ISIS" vs. "Let ISIS depose Assad, then we'll do the rest"; "Register Muslims!" vs. "We're not going to do that.")

Trump's followers are populist know-nothings under the spell of a "leader"w who can do no wrong because he's a TV star, a billionaire, a supposed tough guy, an aggressive nationalist, a low comedian, and a vulgarian who claims to have a simple solution - himself - for every problem.

There's no telling *what* President Trump would do in office, but any "change" would undoubtedly be in the direction of inconsistency, nationalism, craziness, etc.

Congress would be hard pressed to keep him in line.

BTW, besides boasting about the size of his whanger at last night's debate, Trump said that Sen. McCain, who's warned against a Trump candidacy, "has to be very careful."

And why? "He'll find out."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Mar 16 - 06:14 PM

That's right, Goofus- the NY Times is a REAL newspaper, as opposed to the Alex John/Howard Nema websites and Fux News[sic] where you get your mis-information.

From your comments, you also apparently did nor READ the NYT piece, or failed to understand it, or both.

No surprises there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Thompson
Date: 05 Mar 16 - 02:50 AM

Talking of Dilberts, the creator of Dilbert has a rather scary video about Trump's methods.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 16 - 03:33 AM

Lighter, I have a lot of respect for your opinions and take on board much of what you say, but regarding "danger", surely McCain and his ilk are the people who took us into Iraq.....Mrs Clinton was instrumental in the destabilisation of Libya with the consequences which ensued?

I don't think Mr Trumps populist rhetoric is nearly as dangerous as letting these "establishment politicians" out on their own?

Don't you think it is about time the American political establishment was given a bloody good shake? As a UKer, I agree with restricting immigration in all countries, but disagree strongly with Mr Trump on other issues.

Blanket condemnation of someone who has caught the public mood seems unfair, Mr Trumps rhetoric has already started to change, as EJ said it would......I hope he does not turn out to be just another smokescreen for the system.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Mar 16 - 03:38 AM

Sorry Lighter that was I.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Mar 16 - 07:00 AM

Michael Hayden (a former head of the CIA and NSA) has said the military would likely not follow Trump's illegal orders if he was c-in-c. I certainly hope they wouldn't. But it's a moot point because Trump will never become president. Neither Trump nor his followers are wrapped all that tight.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Mar 16 - 08:03 AM

The GOP has richly earned Trump. They spent almost a half century pandering to the racism and fears of working class whites and now that that large constinuency has finally caught on to the pyramid scheme that is supply side economics they've fled to another con, the Donald.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Mar 16 - 09:10 AM

You think you are correct. More often than not you are.

But where you are wrong is that reason has anything to do with persuasion.

The most powerful persuasion be it by our scholarly intellectual President Obama or by Donald Trump is by emotion and hypnosis principles. For Barak , the convention speech set him on the road to mass persuasion.

Just as deliberately Donald Trump uses the tools of hypnosis and self assured vagueness' to capture an average audience.

You don't know what hypnosis is. You have your personal understanding of what you are told and what you believe.


Trump is using hypnotic principles I kid you not.

To become a world class practitioner of an art, it is said you must devote 10,000 or 15,000 hours of practice to your craft. I have done that in the practice of hypnosis with over 12,000 subjects individually or in small groups.

My expectations and pre conceptions were overwritten by the experience.

I was shocked.

Until you are willing to go beyond your own preconceived ideas you may not accept what I have been saying for OVER decade on this outlying outpost of social media.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Mar 16 - 12:38 PM

Well the republican repudiation of Trump has finally begun.

He has been called everything from being Mussolini, KKK and a Nazi.

Too late, McConnell like greed of an imagined base is a bust. Every criticism now only helps Trump.

Just like Global warming, the debates are over and so is the time to do something about it. Trump will be President unless twice as many Dems vote this time around.

There is a full court press against Trump. This kind of assault usd to work.

we will see.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Mar 16 - 02:52 PM

Is it coincidence, I wonder, that both the Rap for Emperor thread and the Trump thread were allowed to sink below the BS horizon? Here I was afraid the Trump thread had been closed....not yet, I see.

From now on I am thinking of Trump as the TRUMPASAURUS. I only wish he actually WERE on the verge of extinction.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge elsewhere on the network
Date: 06 Mar 16 - 05:01 PM

Trump is not any sort of anti-establishment candidate. He is a third-generation financial rapist. He inherited vast sums of money - and has succeeded in turning them into rather less money than he would have had if he just put the money in interest-bearing accounts. Some dealmaker. How many of his companies have filed for bankruptcy? He is dependent on the banks for leniency or he would be shut down by them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: michaelr
Date: 06 Mar 16 - 11:53 PM

Read Paul Krugman's recent column in the NY Times. Excerpt:

"...You have to wonder why, exactly, the Republican establishment is really so horrified by Mr. Trump. Yes, he's a con man, but they all are. So why is this con job different from any other?

The answer, I'd suggest, is that the establishment's problem with Mr. Trump isn't the con he brings; it's the cons he disrupts.

First, there's the con Republicans usually manage to pull off in national elections — the one where they pose as a serious, grown-up party honestly trying to grapple with America's problems. The truth is that that party died a long time ago, that these days it's voodoo economics and neocon fantasies all the way down. But the establishment wants to preserve the facade, which will be hard if the nominee is someone who refuses to play his part...

Equally important, the Trump phenomenon threatens the con the G.O.P. establishment has been playing on its own base. I'm talking about the bait and switch in which white voters are induced to hate big government by dog whistles about Those People, but actual policies are all about rewarding the donor class.

What Donald Trump has done is tell the base that it doesn't have to accept the whole package. He promises to make America white again — surely everyone knows that's the real slogan, right? — while simultaneously promising to protect Social Security and Medicare, and hinting at (though not actually proposing) higher taxes on the rich. Outraged establishment Republicans splutter that he's not a real conservative, but neither, it turns out, are many of their own voters.

Just to be clear, I find the prospect of a Trump administration terrifying, and so should you. But you should also be terrified by the prospect of a President Rubio, sitting in the White House with his circle of warmongers, or a President Cruz, whom one suspects would love to bring back the Spanish Inquisition.

As I see it, then, we should actually welcome Mr. Trump's ascent. Yes, he's a con man, but he is also effectively acting as a whistle-blower on other people's cons. That is, believe it or not, a step forward in these weird, troubled times."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 03:38 AM

All that is fair enough Michael, but does a President Mrs Clinton not frighten you even more?
As I have said already, Mrs Clinton has very bad form on foreign policy.
No one on this forum seems to want to address her abject failures, her inability to grasp the consequences of her actions, her lack of statesmanship over the murder of Gaddafi, her treatment of security etc etc.

It seems to me that American politics consists of two teams both with basically the same aims, engaged in a false battle for election.
The purpose is to fool the American public into believing that they live in a realistic democracy?

It is a tactic well used in the UK over the issues of equality AND politics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge etc
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 03:54 AM

I see the mods are hard at work deleting people's posts again.

Elsewhere I note that the Koch Brothers hate Trump. If that is so then Trump must have some merits, but I'm damned if I can see what they are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 09:50 AM

Ake, thank you for the kind words. It is refreshing to disagree strongly with a civilized voice on a Mudcat BS thread.

But what is a "realistic democracy" anyway? Does one exist?

*None* of the current candidates seems capable of navigating the next four to eight years. Two are zealots, one is a visionary, one is a policy imbecile, and the third is - so far as I can tell - merely a fallible but very highly experienced but individual.

The other reason is that at least some of the problems facing America - and the world - may prove to be intractable indeed. (Just today, Mr. Kim has threatened a "pre-emptive and indiscriminate nuclear strike" against South Korea and the United States.)

Mrs. Clinton was hardly alone in recommending air action against Gadaffi any more than George W. Bush was alone in choosing to invade Iraq. These were not autocratic or frivolous edicts. Both people relied on numerous staffs and advisers, and there certainly was less than unanimity in these decisions.

Had the decision to take no military action been *obviously* better (roughly meaning "unmistakably clear to anyone of average intelligence"), it would have been made in both cases. (I don't subscribe to the assumption that Libya and Iraq were chiefly motivated by Wall Street greed, BTW. But this isn't the place to address that.)

It is hard to hold Mrs. Clinton responsible for the fact that the Libyans could not create a stable, inclusive, and more democratic government. Nor is Mr. Bush (or Mr. Obama) responsible for the collapse of the Iraqi army in the face of ISIS, after its most experienced senior officers had been replaced by the president's cronies.

Regarding Mr. Trump it is outrageous for him to say, one day, that he'll order U.S. armed forces to torture terrorists and kill their families in defiance of U.S. law, then, informed that the U.S. military is forbidden to violate U.S. law, assure us that "I've always been a leader, and believe me, they'll do what I say." The next day he said he'd never ask anyone to break the law. And the day after that he promised that he'd make sure the law was changed so that the torture of terrorist prisoners would be entirely legal.

At this point it seems hardly worth mentioning that waterboarding by the CIA (done to about four prisoners only) was designed to elicit information. Mr. Trump implies that that - and "much, much worse" - should be used as punishment (perhaps even of American citizens) to show the enemy just how tough we are. One would think that the current round-the-clock bombing alone would send a sufficient message.

Mrs. Clinton is the only one in the field whose experience and, very importantly, rationality qualify her to be President of the United States.

Those who say that Mr. Trump is merely "telling the audience what they want to hear" might consider that, as of now, there is a much larger audience that would prefer to hear something very different.   

But whether he believes his own words or not, he still chooses to say what he says.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 10:07 AM

does a President Mrs Clinton not frighten you even more?

We know that for some reason(s) as yet unexplained and/or unsubstantiated she scares the living shite out of YOU, Ake. You really need to get that particular bug out of your arse. the repitition of nonsense is boring, if nothing else.

And if the Trump turd doest't frighten you, you're simply not paying attention.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 11:55 AM

Research has revealed that a Trump ancestor is respondsible for changing the East European name of Drumpf to Trump.

What kind of character does the name Donald Drumpf portray anyway?

Drumpf tower, Drumpf Golf Course.

I can't criticize. My last name has been changed twice.
Once by an Ellis Island impatient employee and once again by me for my kids to simplify spelling.


Contrary to that family myth, no one employed at Ellis Island changed any names. People did that for themselves. There is not a single piece of documentary evidence that shows name changes occurred there. --mudelf historian


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 12:45 PM

My only source is John Oliver so consider the source.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: keberoxu
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 02:16 PM

Trumpasaurus Rex will not be the first dinosaur to wreak havoc from the Oval Office, if in fact he gets in there. There are a number of cold-blooded reptilian Presidents in the past. It is sobering to realize what scoundrels have previously held the office in history. And yes, big business was mixed up with it then as well, and scandal. Ugh, it makes me queasy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Coyote Breath as a Honored Guest (or somethi
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 05:27 PM

Is drumpf an arcane way of spelling frump? Beware. His mouth makes noises similar to those barked out a drunken tailgatings! he bruits what many feel. It is the tea party scam come home to roost. The Repulsicans are scared poopless that he will be nominated, they fearing Hillaryious outcome to November's nightmare. BUT (and that's a big but!) the Dems face a real shellacking if Trumpet runs against Hillary they will lose and we all will have four (or more) years of wonderfully insane governance. Probably revive the folk process to a level comparable to that pushed by the Great Depression and Prohibition. Hope we have an Uncle Dave clone in the wings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 07:06 PM

Two weeks ago I wrote a bastardized nursery rhyme ;

Trumpty Dumpty built a great wall
Trumpty Dumpty saw a great fall
All right wing horsemen and all right wing men
Couldn't wrest power from Trumpty again.


Its trending in some version on cable news to HBO.s The Circus today.


Bumper stickers that get sicker and sicker;

Vote for Trump 2016
or get a fist in
your face.

Vote Trump 2016
or we'll get you
out of here.

Vote for Trump
or I'll fuck you up

Vote for Trump or
I'll kill your family


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST, Richard Bridge etc
Date: 07 Mar 16 - 09:05 PM

Bear in mind that both Forest Drumpf's father and grandfather were sociopaths, financial terrorists, and oppressors, so maybe a time machine and three emasculations with blunt rusty saws, the first in the present and then working backwards would be a plan much benefiting society.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 12:29 AM

Forest Drumpf was renown for starting the "Black Labs Matter" movement,


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 07:22 AM

From NPR's interview with Charles Evers:

MARTIN: May I ask - what is one policy change - as someone who voted for Barack Obama and now is supporting Donald Trump, what's the policy issue - the policy change - you would most like a potential President Trump to address?

EVERS: I don't know. I want him to be president of all the people equally. That's all I want everybody to do. ... I like Trump - just that simple.

To each his own.

BTW, I somehow neglected to mention the sole Republican candidate who really *is* qualified to be President (though personally I prefer Clinton: Governor (and former Senator) John Kasich of Ohio. His serious and low-key debate performances have been completely obscured by the extremism and low comedy of the Big G.O.P. Three.

Kasich, despite many newspaper endorsements (including the N.Y. Times), is at the bottom of the polls.

Short of a miracle, he will not be nominated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 07:34 AM

Graphic content: NFTHI (notforthehumo(u)rimpaired)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 08:07 AM

That is a hoot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 08:14 AM

TRUMP'S RACISM
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 08:38 AM

All Trump has to do is announce he will be selecting Kanye West as his running mate/VP; Kim Kardashian as Secretary of State; Martin Shkreli as Secretary of Health and Human Services; *Ann Coulter as Secretary of Defense; *Sarah Palin as Secretary of Defense; and get this, a quintessential stroke of genius (although modesty prevents my saying so), Chris Christie as Chief of Staff. It would be a landslide victory.

*Please note that there would be two SecDefs: one for even-numbered days and one for odd-numbered days. For the benefit of true Trump supporters, I'll explain. Even-numbered days are days that fall on 2,4,6,8,10,12 etc. Odd-numbered days are 1,3,5,7,9,11, etc.

Let's Make America Great Again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 12:42 PM

Global sabre rattling is effected by the Trump primary:

In response to another NK nuke test the Us did a flyby with military jets. Next we did maneuvers at sea. NK then threatened a nuclear strike on Soule and Washington DC. Media spies did not see any mention of the North Korean threats so they issued them again, with feeling.

This time cable news did provide a bottom screen scroll and scant mention of the re-issued threat.

What this tells me is that any threat against the US is seen as aiding the Trump campaign like the California shooting evidently did

We all know that the NK pattern is to threaten up to some point when
they get more aid or concessions.

Trump is interfering in that process and could change outcomes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 01:35 PM

If Jurassic Park were the work of Donald Trump, what would it be like and who would be in it? Aside from Trumpasaurus Rex, that is? Who would be the compysauruses and the veciloraptors? And who would be the big vegetarian dinosaurs?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 08:57 PM

Kasich is damned scary in his own way - it is only the contrast to loons like Cruz and Trump that he appears rational.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 09:02 PM

I've gotten the same impression, Acme.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 10:27 PM

I just saw this old article/op ed piece from 2014. If any of you also missed it, it has some answers worth considering. Not about Trump, but about the people who'd consider him or his ilk as 'fit' presidential material. It is, imo, an accurate view of things. YMMV.

http://www.salon.com/2014/10/24/why_conservatives_prefer_propaganda_to_reality_partner/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflo


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Mar 16 - 11:58 PM

To confound the nomination process on the Democrat side, Clinton has won 95.3% of the superdelegates to Sanders' 4.7%, even though Sanders has won 42% of the delegates in those states that have voted, compared to Clinton's 58%. It is these superdelegates who ultimately decide who the Democrat nominee will be. Rightly so, Sanders is voicing his dissatisfaction not only with an economic system that favors the rich and disenfranchises the poor, but with a political system that favors a presumptive nominee over the voice of the Democrat voters.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-superdelegates-corrupt-tool-party-establishments-article-1.2555210


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 12:49 AM

Greg F: "That's right, Goofus- the NY Times is a REAL newspaper, as opposed to...."

You must not (once again) be able to read or comprehend well..(not too startling)....it may be the NYE, but I said, "and for your 'source' you post a biased article from the OP-ED section of the NYT????"

Like most trolls and 'so-calleds' you can't distinguish an 'op-ed' from hard news???.....Perhaps you should cite your next 'source' from the comics....or even the coupon page!...Jeez!

Hoosier Mama: ".... The Trump phenomenon is backlash against decades of bank-owned candidates. As Edward Snowden said, the 2016 presidential election comes down to Trump or Goldman Sachs."

Mama's got it right!....BTW, Goldman Sachs has given both Hillary AND Cruz money!!!

There's no business like show business.......

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 08:58 AM

Trump has a self-sealing argument against Hillary.

Self-sealing and deceptive.

1. "She broke the law. She *viciously* broke the law."

2. "If she isn't charged or indicted, it will only be because the Democrats that control the Justice Department are protecting her."

3. Therefore, she's a vicious lawbreaker whether the FBI says so or not.


Indicted? Guilty! Not indicted? Just as guilty! And who can vote for a vicious lawbreaker?

Next case!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 09:48 AM

Well, Goofus, I see you still haven't read and/or understood the article on question. Rave on.....

Oh, and say hello to Alex & Howard for me,eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge on the Intel Quad Core
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 10:44 AM

Are the aliens here yet, Goofball?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 12:19 PM

God bless hillary and bernie. Give me either


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 02:00 PM

Been doing some reading on Mr Trump, his mother was the daughter of a crofter/fisherman from Stornoway district in the Isle of Lewis, a little place called Tong just a couple of croft houses when Mary Anne MacLeod decided to head for America.
Mr Trump has highland eyes and as guest says, he will have good strong genes.
Maybe he is the man to break the corrupt US political system...as well illustrated by GUEST (8 Mrch : 11:58pm)

If so, then all you liberals should be rootin' for him. :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 03:38 PM

>Maybe he is the man to break the corrupt US political system.

And how would he fix it, Ake?

Perhaps through his cult of personality?

Certainly there is no effective way to "fix" the system without suspending the First, and perhaps other, Amendments - something not even Trump's supporters would stand for.

Nor would Congress. Nor, presumably, would the "very, very conservative justices" he promises to appoint to the Supreme Court.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 04:11 PM

Surely the system is very undemocratic Lighter, if the link supplied by GUEST is to be believed.....the issue of the "superdelegates" should be a matter of public concern?

Maybe someone like Trump with no need to rely on "establishment" money, would be in a position to lead a movement for democracy in US politics.....such a movement should be supported by all fair minded people.

From here the Parties seem to be simply divide and rule labels to confuse and enrage the electorate.....you can see the partisan nature of US politics on this forum, which is supposed to contain people of higher than average intelligence...with a few notable exceptions :0(.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 04:24 PM

Electoral colleges seem undemocratic to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 05:00 PM

The electoral college makes me feel stupid....so, perhaps I am? Anyhow, the electoral college has been explained to me more times than I can count, and somehow the info just goes in one ear and out the other; I have no more grasp of it than I had before I was voting age.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 05:07 PM

suspending the First, and perhaps other, Amendments - something not even Trump's supporters would stand for.

Don't bet a great deal of money on it - we're talking about the brain dead living in a fact-free environment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge on the Intel Quad Core
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 05:28 PM

Precisely so Greg.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 06:48 PM

The linked article is essentially correct, but it obscures a couple of important points.

The first is that no Republican, President or otherwise, can change the superedelegate system, because it's peculiar to the Democratic party. In place since the '80s, its purpose is frankly to preserve the influence of party leaders - the superdelegates. These include all current Democrats in Congress, plus local leaders.

The superdelegates aren't *assigned* to vote for anyone. They can vote for whomever they like. If Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Sanders "has" a certain number of superdelegates, that only means that they've already expressed a preference for one candidate or the other. They can change their preferences for any reason - though they usually don't. Recall too that there are many fewer superdelegates than "pledged delegates," whose votes must reflect voter preferences

But the larger point is that there's no requirement in the Constitution for primary elections. These began in the 19th century but didn't take on present-day proportions till after WWII.

Some states assign pledged delegates in proportion to the popular vote. Others are winner-take-all, depending on the rules of the state party apparatus.

In other words, Democrats and Republicans can run their primaries however their party leaders want - or conduct none at all. Before the days of primary elections, all candidates were chosen by party bosses - without much regard (or poll-based knowledge of) whom the voters would prefer. Primaries evolved to reform this system.

The primary system cannot (I believe) be abolished or restructured by any Presidential or Congressional action without violating the First Amendment, which protects political parties from government interference. I suppose superdelegates and the like might be abolished by Constitutional amendment, but no party in Congress would sacrifice its autonomy by approving such an amendment, which would tend to undermine the First anyway.

If the Democrats decide the superdelegate system should go, they alone can make it happen.

The general election, of course, has to be conducted according to federal law: one standard for any and all parties. This includes the electoral college, but that's another, even more complicated, story.

One might consider the whole nominating process "corrupt." Or one might see it as the product of 200 years of unavoidable, pragmatic compromises.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 07:40 PM

The only person who can BEAT Donald R Trump is...Mike Tyson.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Mar 16 - 07:59 PM

Well, I dunno about that - what about Hulk Hogan?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Thompson
Date: 10 Mar 16 - 01:59 AM

Der Spiegel has a long and rather chilling piece about Donald Trump, and America's likely future if he's elected president.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Mar 16 - 03:20 AM

Is that supposed to be a joke?    If so it works on several levels.

Thanks for the information Lighter, you are a shining example of how debate should be conducted.....I'm away to think carefully on what you have written.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 10 Mar 16 - 03:27 AM

America's future was decided when China became the largest economy and American based multinationals invested there and in Europe.

I'd say the trade links with Mexico may be the nearest thing you have to a solution but isn't there some talk of a bloody Great Wall? Trump's construction interests will bid to build it, or would if he were in a position to stalk the world stage.

It's one thing to say people want alternatives to the same old same old but the anger at the establishment is that it allows the likes of Trump to flourish in the first place. A bit self defeating if you ask me.

Yes, simple folk who have to take their socks off to count to twenty may be impressed but that's an indictment of a failing education system and dumbed down society. Don't worry, looking at a post a few up, we appear to have failed the odd school kid ourselves many years ago.

All The USA has to do here is hope that the rich / poor divide hasn't been followed in a similar divide in intelligence. Either way, his product promotion for his global empire during political rallies will be used in marketing courses for years to come.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Mar 16 - 03:50 AM

"he will have good strong genes."
His grandfather was a brothel-keeper in the Yukon - will this add or subtract to the gene-pool?
Genetically strong leadership - Spooky statement Ake - the world has been here before within my lifetime - look where it got us
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Mar 16 - 06:28 AM

Its mourning in America.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 10 Mar 16 - 08:06 AM

Trump to Anderson Cooper last night:

Trump: Islam hates us....There's a tremendous hatred there, there's a tremendous hatred, and we have to get to the bottom of it. There is an unbelievable hatred of *us*.

Cooper: In Islam itself?

Trump: You're gonna have to figure that out, OK? You'll get another Pulitzer, right? But you're gonna have to figure that out.

Cooper: But the question is, is there a war between the West and *radical* Islam or is there war between the West and Islam itself?

Trump: Well, it's radical, but it's very hard to define. It's very hard to separate, because you don't know who is who.


In other words, the Man Who Would Be Prez is clueless.

Which is the kindest interpretation. YMMV.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Mar 16 - 08:31 AM

someone like Trump with no need to rely on "establishment" money

No, he's relying on the billions he inherited (a lot of which he's pissed away as a lousy businessman) without which he'd be selling used cars in Hoboken.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Mar 16 - 09:50 AM

Here's an article from Politifacts regarding the source of Trump's wealth.
For the record, I think Trump is a clown and would be an embarrassment as U.S. Prez but would not be as damaging to our society as any one of the 3 conservative ideologues who are running against him on the GOP side.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Mar 16 - 06:05 PM

10 March 2016

The toxic environment that's become a trademark of Donald Trump's raucous campaign turned violent again on Wednesday when a protester at the Republican frontrunner's rally in Fayetteville, N.C., was sucker-punched by one of Trump's supporters.

"No one should be subjected to such a cowardly, unprovoked act as that committed by McGraw," Cumberland County Sheriff Earl "Moose" Butler said in a statement Thursday afternoon. "Regardless of political affiliation, speech, race, national origin, color, gender, bad reputation, prior acts or political demonstration, no other citizen has the right to assault another person or to act in such a way as this defendant did. I hope that the courts will handle this matter with the appropriate severity for McGraw's severe and gross violation of this victim's rights."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Mar 16 - 06:52 PM

A preview of Trump's America?

Interestingly the cops escorting Rakeem just ignored the assault and kept on walking. McGraw wasn't arrested until a video of it went viral on social media.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Mar 16 - 07:52 PM

Welcome to Trump's Brownshirt America.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 10 Mar 16 - 08:18 PM

Rakeem Jones deserves a standing ovation for not responding to the punch. Imagine if he had? Trump's supporters are basically 'hunt in a pack, shoot in the back' kinda folks. Sick minds, sick souls and quite cowardly as exemplified by John McGraw.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Wesley S
Date: 10 Mar 16 - 11:34 PM

Man charged w/ punching protester at Trump rally: ""Yes, he deserved it. The next time we see him, we might have to kill him."

4:05 PM - 10 Mar 2016 · North New Hyde Park, NY, United States


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 01:49 AM

There always has been a difference between Dixiecrats and Democrats.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 03:20 AM

Hoosier Mama: "46,000 Pa. Democrats Become Republicans Due To Trump"

"According to Penn Live, some experts attribute the mass exodus to Donald Trump."


Think they may be fleeing Hillary...the way the Republicans are 'fleeing' the 'establishment'???

ya' think they just might be one in the same??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 03:40 AM

Hoosier Mama: "46,000 Pa. Democrats Become Republicans Due To Trump"

This is one of those things I have never got my head around about American politics. While it is obvious in this headline, I remember hearing it when Obama was running for the first time: Democrats willing to change to support republicans based on one personality, and presumably vice versa if it arose.

Republicans and Democrats always talk about the gulf between them, whether it is taxation, health provisions or whatever. Yet they appear quite comfortable ignoring all that because they like or dislike one person whose actual power is very limited because of the whole set-up.

I just don't get it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 09:52 AM

One reason for the "switch" (and I don't guarantee this is the case in Pennsylvania) is that it's so easy to "switch parties" and then switch back again. All you do to "register" is check a box at the polling place to indicate which primary you want to vote in. In some states, anyone can vote in any primary without even checking the box.

In the general election, you vote for whomever you want.

Many Democrats are registering as Republicans simply to vote in the Republican primaries for the candidate (now often Trump) they think would be the easiest to beat.

A Democratic friend of mine voted (as a Republican) for Kasich because there is no way that any Democrat will carry this "red" state in November, he predicted (correctly) that Hillary would win the Democratic primary, and he wanted to cast a "protest vote" for the sanest Republican running.

There's no telling how many Democrats voting for Trump in primaries will support him in the general election.

(Republicans are undoubtedly voting for Sanders on the same principle: they think he'd be easier to beat.)

Trump on Sanders: "He's a Socialist - which is really a Communist, when you think about it."

Get the picture?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 10:11 AM

Lighter wrote: "A Democratic friend of mine voted (as a Republican) for Kasich because there is no way that any Democrat will carry this "red" state in November, he predicted (correctly) that Hillary would win the Democratic primary, and he wanted to cast a "protest vote" for the sanest Republican running."

What state are you referring to?

There is speculation that HRC lost in Michigan even though she had a big lead in the polls because of "party jumping" by Democrats who want to get Trump as Clinton's opponent in November.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 10:20 AM

"Trump on Sanders: "He's a Socialist - which is really a Communist, when you think about it." Well to be honest Lighter, Mr Trump has it about right there.

To be a practicing Socialist living under a Capitalist administration is well nigh impossible.
Of course many people do claim to be Socialist, I do so myself, but in truth we are all forced to practice Capitalist economics to survive.
If we want to change society radically we must first change the system and to change the system we must attack the "established order", which in the US is big corporations represented by The Republican and Democrat parties.
There is no left and right in US politics as far as I can see just a gigantic "Magic Shadow Show"......Good Cop/ Bad Cop.

It looks as if the American people are beginning to wake up to that fact, maybe this is the start of something, like proper democracy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 10:24 AM

Mr Trump had been leading for some considerable time in Michigan as far as I am aware?
Apparently "blue collar workers" vote for Mr Trump as they do not trust Mrs Clinton.......very wise!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 10:29 AM

Trump and HRC were running in different contests in case you were unaware.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 10:40 AM

Apologies Gilly, getting my primaries mixed up. :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 11:30 AM

"It looks as if the American people are beginning to wake up to that fact, maybe this is the start of something, like proper democracy."

Looks to me like something dangerously close to fascism! It also looks like a symptom of the decline of the US, the West and the 'Free World'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 12:09 PM

Well to be honest Lighter, Mr Trump has it about right there.

Well, to be honest, Ake, once again- YET again?- you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

Apparently "blue collar workers" vote for Mr Trump as they do not trust Mrs Clinton.......very wise!

The "blue collar workers" in the U.S. have a long standing and supremely idiotic propensity to vote against their own interests every time - if you considetr that "wise", you've even less of an idea what you're talking about than I thought.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 12:40 PM

> What state are you referring to?

A well-known Southern state.

The only way Mr. Trump is likely "shake up the system" in the radical way that Ake seems to hope for would be to initiate a proto-fascist regime running roughshod over the Constitution.

If so, he would be impeached by Congress and - one hopes - convicted and removed from office.

Just last night he endorsed Peking's military slaughter of unarmed protesters in Tienanmen Square as the action of a "strong" government (which he advocates) against "rioters." He routinely encourages (or doesn't discourage) followers to beat up protesters at his rallies. One of his paid spokesmen said, with a straight face, that the (admittedly tiny) number of violent supporters may well be "plants" set in the crowd by "the liberals."

One of those supposed "plants" now faces assault charges. This morning, Trump himself asserted that the protester had struck first (he hadn't) and that the punch to the face was "very, very appropriate." He has also promised "to pay the legal fees" of anyone who attacks a demonstrator. Trump has repeatedly revealed a gut-level liking for violence carried out at his behest. Not the best characteristic for someone who wants to be in charge of the armed forces and who promises to make other countries "behave."   

And has everyone now seen Trump leading the crowd in a "solemn" oath, with right arms raised, to vote for him no matter what? The "optics" speak for themselves.

Either he was wittingly imitating Hitler, which would make him truly dangerous, or he was doing so unwittingly, which would make him a fool. I've never heard of a serious candidate for American office pushing a public oath of personal allegiance onto his constituents.

He's repeated the charade even after amazed criticism by pundits of both parties and many networks.

And BTW, the epithet "Communist" in the U.S. carries (or carried) connotations only slightly more favorable than "child molester." To call Sanders a "Communist" is not to clarify but to rule out of court.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 12:46 PM

November 8, 2016 will see another set of very important elections in the US. There are 34 Senate seats and 435 House of Representatives seats up for grabs. Presidents can't do much with those two facets of the legislature being obstructive and deceitful. Good time to vote as many Republicans out as you possibly can and reclaim your government.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 12:54 PM

Guest #: "Good time to vote as many Republicans out as you possibly can and reclaim your government."

A Trump candidacy could be very helpful in this regard and it's one of the main reasons he's got Republicans peeing their pants.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 01:05 PM

Good observation, gillymor, and an important one.

"There's letters seal'd: and my two schoolfellows,
Whom I will trust as I will adders fang'd,
They bear the mandate; they must sweep my way
And marshal me to knavery. Let it work;
For 'tis the sport to have the enginer
Hoist with his own petar'; and 't shall go hard
But I will delve one yard below their mines
And blow them at the moon: O, 'tis most sweet,
When in one line two crafts directly meet."

Old Bill said it half a millennium ago and things ain't changed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 06:03 PM

Hope you've got the tight pants on when you're quotin' that stuff #?
:0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 07:08 PM

Greg, brownshirts came to mind for me as well. The difference is uniform and baton.

I saw a follow up interview with the codger that threw punches'
He in fact goes on to saw that in the future the protesters will face death. He used the word kill. I have not seen the follow up interview since.

The codger is only now in police custody.

Trump did set it up.

I suppose everyone understands that beyond suggestion is hypnosis and tat takes place in a complete waking state.

It's up to Trump how far he wants the violence to go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 07:12 PM

Whenever politicians from other countries express concern over candidates, it tends to backfire. Yet you just can't help thinking that the USA has a reputation, (which funnily enough it seems proud of) of exhibiting leadership. Despite China being a larger economy in terms of every future trajectory, it's Obama who other leaders wish to be photographed with at summits.

Trump would jeopardise this as to be frank, his comments are worthy of invoking Godwin. If the Republicans want him as a puppet whose strings they can pull, many Germans said similar in the '30s when they were fed up with the same old system. Over here, our own racist nutter Nigel Farage gets press (but luckily not votes.)

The system is broken. It needs a repairman though, not a man with a huge hammer. He brings out the base in some people, as posts here show. The western world has fought for years on end to destroy attitudes such as his from obtaining power. We should be proud of our liberal democracy ideals that promote equality, raise safety nets and embrace difference. Yet Trump is popular it seems and over here our government is quietly dismantling the infrastructure we set up to look after the vulnerable in society, remove the word "minority" as we all have equal rights in principle, widen the gap and frankly, they want us to be more American. I love America. I have a right of residency through business assets, yet I see no good reason to wish to live there. If Trump proves to be popular, perhaps regular visits aren't such a good idea either?

Still, they have their fans, even confused ones who claim otherwise...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 08:43 PM

I have just watched the postponed Trump rally in Chicago for 2 hours.
At first protestors had blocked one street with numbers around 5 thousand. There was no reported vetting of the crowd entering the arena.

Disruptions with words and middle fingers ensued. No one was injured as people tried to obey the missing Trump by trying to smash someone in the face. These incidents were stopped by both sides.

THERE WAS NO RIOT

People were as happily entertained as they were disgusted.
Mostly they were smiling with handfuls of angry dudes.


The words by Trump "I want to hit him in the face." were not exceeded,

As I said before the introduction of increased violence is up to the Trump.

The dissipation of the crowd was help along by police lines.



More Trump prompts to anger

"In the old days protesters were taken away by stretchers.
If you do rough up protesters I'll cover the legal fees."




THIS IS A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN AT WORK with violence at the center.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 08:54 PM

On the positive side the many hundreds of i phone cameras trained on potential brawls limited violence along with fairly gentle police. No one was hurt or bloodied.

On the sad side the brawls were mostly drawn along racial lines.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 10:06 PM

The coming election is about totalitarianism and whether Americans will accept that as their form of self-governance. They won't. It will however display the totalitarians among you. There is always a bright side to things.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 11:35 PM

"THIS IS A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN AT WORK with violence at the center."


...while 'Move On. org.' has claimed responsibility....so says the latest reports.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 12:06 AM

For the last decade Republicans have been pitting people against each other. It's the leftist, it's the gays, it the welfare etc. Now the ground is fertile for a racist like trump and the monster is off the lease. Now they try to stop him.. They have themselves to blame and when they lose by the biggest margin ever seen, they will be rocked on their heels and blame someone else for losing


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST, ^*^
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 12:26 AM

Here's how the rest of the world views Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 12:33 AM

I was reviewing tweets on Cnn, amazing how trump supporters were blaming Obama for the protest in Chicago.. I mean when does the blame stop and they look at themselves.. Amazing


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 01:19 AM

Social media allows people to see only what they want to see. Trump supporters only see other Trump supporters, so a critical mass of support arises. Perhaps if there is a chink in the reporting, if they look outside the "blame Obama for everything" mentality, they'll see the world waiting for them to come to their senses and see that it was all a joke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 02:34 AM

Hey Acme....."Social media allows people to see only what they want to see"......You're ON social media!!!.....so the energy you put into a system tends to change that system....so you might want to check yourself out..before you spout!


...jeez, it even rhymes....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 04:18 AM

Well I've had a look at TV footage, and it all seems like an organised attempt to disrupt a perfectly legal political rally.

If people disagree on policies of other candidates they are free to say so, to hold rallies of their own and put the alternative case.
To stop political meetings being held because one does not like the views of the organisers, is something completely different.

If the shoe was on the other foot and large groups of hooligans were disrupting Mrs Clintons meetings.....this place would be seething.

We are SUPPOSED to be living in Democracies?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 04:31 AM

Akenaton: "Well I've had a look at TV footage, and it all seems like an organised attempt to disrupt a perfectly legal political rally."

It was reported, (again) that 'Move On' .org. had PAID certain people to disrupt it.
(Makes you wonder...they did it for MONEY???...gosh, What sincere depth of commitment!!!!

Akenaton: "If the shoe was on the other foot and large groups of hooligans were disrupting Mrs Clintons meetings.....this place would be seething."

Probably not....everybody seems to 'forget' that a Bernie Sanders' rally was disrupted, as well..last August.....Hmmm...Now what do Sanders and Trump have in common??
(I'll let them THINK about that one for a while...)

Akenaton: "We are SUPPOSED to be living in Democracies?"

But corporate officials are not elected...they're appointed....or they own or part own the corporation....!!.....and own the party bosses as part of the deal...

'Now what do Sanders and Trump have in common??'

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 04:49 AM

You begin to see how Trump's pet idiots reason their stupidity....


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 05:39 AM

Yes, I see your point about political disruption Sanity.

I don't agree with Mr Trumps political stance, but He has performed a service in illustrating the corruption behind the US political establishment.
On the disruption issue, It is extremely dangerous and extremely easy to implement.....a microcosm is contained in these pages.

What is required is that people put aside their political differences and eradicate the hugely greater danger of intimidation and the silencing of free speech.

Sanity, though you may think that we differ greatly on political matters, I believe that we see things in much the same way. I also believe that you are a decent person with good insight on what motivates(or de-motivates) the electorate of your country.....Ake.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 08:31 AM

"If the shoe was on the other foot and large groups of hooligans were disrupting Mrs Clintons meetings.....this place would be seething."

The shoe would be not on the other foot because Mrs. Clinton is not a hate monger.

What mystifies me is why Trump would hold a rally in such a racially diverse city as Chicago given all the race-baiting he's done and the violence he's encouraged against protesters at his rallys.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 08:46 AM

Why is Trump so popular? Because a substantial, and ever increasing, proportion of the Republican Party is willing to believe - or rather EMBRACE - any amount of preposterous bullshit that comes along while denying objective reality. The U.S. is turning into a nation of complete idiots:


MINEOLA, Tex., 12 March 2016— On Super Tuesday, Dale Clark voted for a local Republican who claimed on social media that President Obama had worked as a gay prostitute in his youth, that the United States should ban Islam, that the Democratic Party had John F. Kennedy killed and that the United Nations had hatched a plot to depopulate the world.

Mr. Clark, 75, was unaware that the candidate he had supported — Mary Lou Bruner, 68, a former kindergarten teacher running for a seat on the State Board of Education — held such views. But as he sat with his wife eating lunch in this East Texas city, Mr. Clark was ready to give Ms. Bruner the benefit of the doubt.

"I would not discount her on the basis of having those beliefs," said Mr. Clark, a retired pilot. "It convinces me, though, that she's quite conservative, and if I were going to err either way, I would want to err toward the side of the conservative."

Complete Article Here


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 08:56 AM

And then, of course, vide our very own Goofus....


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 09:42 AM

Taking down Trump, phase two, has begun. After being unsuccessful at dissuading his supporters for voting for him by demonizing him publicly, the US political and media elites have been able to inflame and mobilize enough protesters from the totalitarian Left to silence the democratic process tonight in Chicago. Because it was on a University campus, where freedom of speech means only freedom of politically correct speech, it was not hard to persuade thousands of thugs to descend on the Trump rally and forcibly close it down. (It is normal now in most deconstructionist Universities to disrupt and threaten any speaker that you don't agree with until they have been silenced.) The CNN narrative is that it is Trump's fault that these violent protesters would not let this speech from a presidential candidate take place during an election campaign. The poison amongst the CNN pundits is so acidic you can taste it. So apparently the American power structure has now moved from verbal violence to physical violence against Trump. It is a desperate move. But it might work.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 10:32 AM

Thank you Alex Jones. Now go away.

(For explanation of post 09:42 AM date, see post 08:46 Date)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 11:20 AM

Thank you Mr. F for making Guest's point in the post of 12 Mar 16 - 09:42 AM.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 11:48 AM

"For making Guest's point?" WTF???

Not hardly, Brucie/Fred/Alex/Howard/Donald.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 12:15 PM

"If the shoe was on the other foot and large groups of hooligans were disrupting Mrs Clintons meetings.....this place would be seething."

The shoe would be not on the other foot because Mrs. Clinton is not a hate monger (Gillymor).

I'm sorry Gilly, but I cant make sense of that response....maybe you could elucidate?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 01:11 PM

Seems cler enough to me - Trump is a hate monger - Clinton is not.
Trump is playing the race card as Farage has done over here - neither of them have much else to offer.
People have protested in the US - it's about time they did here.
"Taking down Trump, phase two, has begun."
Looks pretty spontaneous to me
Jim Caroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 01:45 PM

Based on fairly recent experiences, I have to agree with guests statement that many University campuses have become toxic when it comes to free speech or any views that do not match those held by people on the left of centre. I have seen this first hand and it is truly ugly. Yes, Trump is a dreadful man, but he has a right to run, he has a right to be heard , even when what he says is odious. Shouting down dissenting views and preventing people from speaking is every bit as dangerous as what Trump preaches.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 01:59 PM

You don't make sense either Jim, it has nothing to do with the character of Mrs Clinton.

A group of "Right Wing Thugs" as opposed to the "Left Wing Thugs" who disrupted Mr Trumps Rally, could attempt to do the same to Mrs Clinton.

The inhabitants of "Mudville" would be distressed to say the least?

On a purely personal note, I think that anyone who chortles over the very brutal murder of a Head of State, is extremely thuggish and hateful. Especially given that the action to remove him from his position had been strongly promoted by that same person, against the better judgement of her President.

President Obama has said this weekend, that the whole enterprise had been ill considered and not brought to a satisfactory conclusion....which of course was not possible given the lack of will to involve ground troops and commit to the future of the country.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 03:00 PM

"You don't make sense either Jim, it has nothing to do with the character of Mrs Clinton."
Who said it did
I'm taliking about the spottaneous demonstrations against Fascist Trump - what are you talking about?
I'd have very disappointed if someone hadn't demonstrated against him
Freedom of speech goes with responsibility towards others - including the "Hispanics he has targeted" for his outpourings of hate
Pehaps some people aren't very impressed by which gene-pool he comes from!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 03:06 PM

Sorry Jim....you're still not getting through.....try taking your metaphors out of the blender?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 03:14 PM

Liberals bashing Clinton with sexist rhetoric

Excerpt:

When Republicans launched their dubious investigation into a "corrupt," "manipulative" and "dirty" Hillary Clinton's use of a personal email server while Secretary of State — regardless of Colin Powell implementing the same practice during his tenure — this character assassination, quite troublingly, inspired many liberals to co-opt these very words, rewarding the carefully-crafted Republican fallacy and giving them new life in the progressive sphere.

These educated and civic-minded men and women would never engage in the kind of blatant misogyny that chides on her inability to satisfy her husband, that bandies the word "bitch," that forwards Kentucky Fried Chicken-themed memes boasting an "HRC Special" with "2 fat thighs" — they instead use codified language that, when used in the context of a powerful female, serves as a tool of "soft sexism" that undermines and devalues women.

The Left's enthusiastic embrace of these tropes and rhetoric props up the narrative that, for a woman to have reached the upper echelons of power in her field, she could only have done so through depravity and deception.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 04:14 PM

My goodness Acme, her perceived flaws as presidential material have nothing at all to do with her being a woman. She simply lacks foresight in foreign affairs and appears to be only on nodding terms with the truth? Something which cannot be said about her relationship with corporations?

In the UK our only female Prime Minister was an excellent politician and Stateswoman, though I opposed almost every policy which she proposed. She had strength of character, a dogged determination and the ability to make her cabinet do as she wanted. She was also extremely shrewd.    Her only huge flaw as far as I was concerned, was the fact that she was not a Socialist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 04:19 PM

I have to agree with guests statement that many University campuses have become toxic when it comes to free speech or any views that do not match those held by people on the left of centre...............Shouting down dissenting views and preventing people from speaking is every bit as dangerous as what Trump preaches.

Does that remind you of an internet forum that we all know and used to love, HiLo?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 04:40 PM

Of course they have everything to do with her being a woman - your perception of her honesty and foresight is precisely because she is a woman.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 04:49 PM

For the record, this is spam. Go look for this with Google. Plus, "Hoosier Mama" is posting from Germany. --Mod

Then why wasn't it deleted as with other spam?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 06:51 PM

Give it a bloody rest, whichever moderator you are. You give us a "helpful" little footnote about what you take to be spam but you fail to delete bilious nonsense from Gnu on another thread or hateful stuff from anonymous Guests who post "Sieg Heil" when they disagree with something or posts calling perfectly respectable people Jew haters. Then we have a massive last word full of nonsense in a thread just before you close it. It's disreputable, it's inconsistent and it's unfair. Get a bloody grip fer chrissake, and tell your boss to stop guest posting and multiple identities. Compared to them, we're the good guys, and don't you forget it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 06:54 PM

Guests are not the problem, they are not the ones who get threads closed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 07:10 PM

Moderators are the ONLY people who get threads closed. No-one else has the power to close threads. Not only that, they do like to have the last word. Unfortunately, they don't listen to those of us who are also members of harmonious forums who can see good ways of doing things. It's all Max this, Max that. The mods here, God bless 'em, are all Pontius Pilates. And yes, every anonymous Guest IS a problem. Why? Because they are able to post under multiple identities, one as a Guest and one under another logged-in name. Multiple identities are the death knell of any forum, yet this "Max" and his mod accomplices defend the nonsense to the hilt. Madness. Sheer bloody madness.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 07:17 PM

And by the way, HiLo, Sieg Heil was directed at me by an anonymous Guest, and an anonymous Guest (the same one) called me a Jew-hater. The same person bleated that he wanted to be anonymous so that we would attack the issue, not the person. I love you dearly, HiLo, as you know, but do get real, please! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 08:06 PM

I am real Steve. I still believe that Guests are not the problem. yes, they can be obnoxious but they can,t match some of the continual venom that goes on here , posted by non guests. IAs you are Wont to say Steve, this is not real life.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 08:39 PM

Well the venom here is not found on the other sites I've mentioned. It is unfair to blame venom on anyone in particular when the whole problem of the place is its culture. It's like a commune into which anyone can drop in and out without telling anyone who they are, without paying any rent and who can nick the toilet seats with impunity. There is no sense of collective responsibility here, no sense of pulling together. The ethos is that I can bloody say what I want, offend who I want and be abused by anonymous arseholes, who can do what they want with impunity. So why should I bother?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 09:07 PM

I am not blaming anyone in particular, but there are few who seem incapable of civil dialogue. I think there is sense of community but it is being slowly eroded by a handful of people who are Nasty on almost every subject and on every thread, so reasonable people don't get involved any more. I now pass on a number of topics because I am not interested in the argy Bargy and I am even less interested in the pomposity of some of the participants. If what we want here is good debate and discussion then we have to stand up and tell those who get the threads closed to piss off. we don,t, so we get what we deserve. I admit that I haven,t done it because I dont, need the abuse...who does ? I wish it were otherwise but there you have it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 09:46 PM

Can we go back to politics, everyone is entitled to their opinions. One person, one vote


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 12 Mar 16 - 10:33 PM

I will not belittle anyone
WWho disagreed it is
AAmerica


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 09:04 AM

Trump has now explicitly called Sanders a "Communist." It is a characterization that Sanders has just as explicitly called "a lie."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 09:08 AM

Heil Donald!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 10:06 AM

Did you read the woman's explanation for this. Just a thought, it may shed some light on the subject.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 10:12 AM

Did you read the woman's explanation for this.

1. Yup! Sure did. I find her "explanation" at best unconvincing.

2. Either way, the photo is an accurate representation of the spirit and conduct of the Trump campaign and of the man himself.

YMMD.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 10:33 AM

Why unconvincing ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 10:44 AM

Hi Acme, I am at a loss to understand your comment.
"your perception of her honesty and foresight is precisely because she is a woman.".....where have I ever given cause to be accused of misogyny?.....It matters not a jot to me whether your next President is a man or a woman, either would be capable of doing the job, I just do not think that she has the qualities required.

I would be obliged if you would either explain or withdraw the remark.
I have said that Mrs Thatcher(a woman) was an excellent politician, just on the wrong side of politics....I often wished the left could have produced such a leader.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 10:48 AM

"In the UK our only female Prime Minister was an excellent politician and Stateswoman, "
And a more- or-less self-confessed fascist who fought and managed to keep a mass murdering war criminal from standing trial and declared his actions in Chile to be her kind of democracy.
When Pinochet was held under house arrest in London, awaiting the outcome of an attempt to put him on trail for the mass murder of his opponents in Chile, she accused the then Government who detained him of "running a police state", and she and her Tory colleagues held a rally in his support - the platform was decked with crossed Chilean and British flags - Chile was, by this time, a fascist state - an "excellent politician and Stateswoman" to some shades of political opinion maybe!!
One can see the parallels between Thatcher and Trump is one looks hard enough (though personally, I prefer the 'uncooked doughnut' resemblance to Boris Johnson
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:05 AM

The press you're reading about Hillary is largely in the misogynistic vein, and you've absorbed it like chapter and verse. You need to find a better source of news.

From where I stand, Thatcher was your equivalent of Fiorina or Palin here - a Reagan-clone ideologue, not a good person to do the job.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:21 AM

I don't listen to any misogynistic nonsense, and always condemn it when it appears on these pages.
Give me a bit more credit than that please, most of my information comes from reputable sources and nothing that I have read suggests that Mrs Clinton is unfit for office due to her gender.

I do not read partisan US political sites.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:25 AM

Trump rally behavior.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:29 AM

[Thatcher] was an excellent politician and Stateswoman

You're joking, yes? If not, it certainly sheds light on why you have a bug up your arse about Clinton.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:30 AM

Jim, I disagreed strongly with almost all of Mrs Thatcher's policies, but as a leader and Conservative politician she was without parallel.

Mr Trump or Mrs Clinton are not in the same league.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:38 AM

To put it quite bluntly, anyone male or female who supported our actions in Iraq and Libya.....should be debarred from high office.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:40 AM

I was never a fan of Mrs. Thatcher, however to lump her in with Sarah Palin is absurd, totally different entities, nothing alike at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:46 AM

For her support of Pinochet alone, Thatcher deserves a particularly uncozy place in Hell.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:52 AM

"Jim, I disagreed strongly with almost all of Mrs Thatcher's policies, but as a leader and Conservative politician she was without parallel."
Not a question of her 'policies' - she was a self-declared fascist - it doesn't get much simpler than that.
Hitler was reckoned to be a 'good leader' - he was certainly idolised by a lorra-lorra people - it's where he led/she led them is what counts, not that they were good at it.
We know very little about Trump's 'policies' - his election campaign is based on hate-filled rhetoric and the hostile response to it is well-deserved and a relief.
I have little time for U.S. politics, but the thing I admire about the country is its cosmopolitan makeup- consisting of people who originated form all corners of the world - settlers, immigrants and refugees from persecution all coming together to make the richest and most powerful nation on the planet.
Trump has risen to prominence by preaching hatred of such people - basically, basically an attack on the people who went into the making of America.
You talk about genetic reliability - Trump's background shows him to come from merely one of the many hundreds of different nations that make up the country he is trying to take over.
Let's hope for many, many thousands more people out on the streets putting a stop to this looming disaster - neither the politicians or big-business can be trusted to.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:53 AM

Acme, your link is to an American cable channel which gives a liberal prospective....not what I call an objective source!

My information comes mainly from BBC and the Quality British papers, which although biased in favour of business interests and mainly supporting Mrs Clinton, at least give a pretty honest historical perspective to this election.
Objective news coverage in the UK is better than that which is available to UK cable viewers IMO.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:55 AM

For anyone who's interested, here's a list of superdelegates for the Democrats. It includes members of Congress, former presidents, and members of the Democratic National Committee, among others.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2016


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:58 AM

Gilly, if Mrs Thatcher is destined for hell, then she will be in good company, i.e. the very liberal Mr Tony Blair?.....and the other warmongers from UK and US.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 01:09 PM

Just what does Ake mean by "a real democracy"?

And how precisely would Donald Trump's election hasten its appearance?

Trump claims that a man who attempted to rush him on the platform yesterday was "working for ISIS."

Asked later by NBC the source of his information, Trump confidently replied, "All I know is what I read on the Internet."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 01:16 PM

"Mrs Thatcher is destined for hell, then she will be in good company"
She was a hard-line political thug and a bully - Blair and the others are - well politicians - that's what politics has become in Britain today - dishonest politicians working on behalf of the privileged few.
Blair, at least, started out with a degree of principle and compassion - Thatcher was always Thatcher.
If Donald 'Thump' is elected the U.S. will end up with a male Thatcher with a flak-jacket and in a tank, but without her questionable skills.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 01:28 PM

olddude: "Can we go back to politics, everyone is entitled to their opinions. One person, one vote."

If they go to a brokered convention, either party or both, THEY will select who we should 'vote for'....which means no votes even mattered..just whom they APPOINT to run.

I suspect, as I said earlier, that depending on the primaries, will determine if Obama's Justice department will go for an indictment for Hillary...then they might give you Biden to vote for....then after that happens, and she can't run, he might even 'pardon' her.

As for the Republicans, that will go to a brokered convention if they can keep dividing the votes, among the primary candidates, so the minimum votes won't be reached for a walk-a-way count at the convention.

ALL this is going on, because the electorate is pissed off. First we got Obama, then the Republicans vowed to turn things around, if they got the Senate and the House of Representatives...they got both, but nothing was done...............SOOOOOO....that gave rise to Sanders, Trump, Fiorina, Carson...and even Cruz, to some extent.....(in case you ever wanted to know what the ELECTORATE thinks of the current administration). ....ALL of this is a backlash to Obama's unfavorability!!
At present, the present U.S. government is VERY VERY unpopular...because people are FINALLY getting a clue that the supposed 'Right Wing' and 'Left Wing' are on the same bird!!..Gosh how many times have I been saying that for the past eight years??!!!???....along with the CORRUPTION on BOTH sides....it's gotten so bad, that with Hillary, there is NO doubt that she has committed felonies..it's on video for all to see...but she gets 'support' because the morons see her as 'electable'....though considered untrustworthy(by nearly EVERY poll!!)...they don't care...she's 'electable'......that really says a lot for the integrity of the moronic idiots who would vote for her anyway.....

...Oh well....that's politics!

The Republicans believe their own bullshit, and the Democrats believe their own bullshit....but, when it's all said and done...IT'S ALL BULLSHIT!!...just different flies!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 01:31 PM

Palin may be an airhead, but she's scary, especially when running for office with a fairly elder statesman. She scared the GOP mainstream so badly that I know of several who voted for Obama because they were really voting against Palin. Many Democrats hope Trump will end up the candidate because he'll have the same frightening effect on the sane members of the GOP. That said, the rest of the GOP field are still pretty awful. I could almost feel sorry for them, but they brought this on themselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 01:34 PM

Mrs Clinton [is] not in the same league [as Milk-Snatcher Pinochet Psycophant Union-Busting Screw-The-Common-Man Maggie Thatcher]

And Jesus be thanked for that mercy!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 03:21 PM

You're right!...at least Thatcher didn't send and receive classified government correspondence, jeopardizing their national security, so she could profit, for speeches!!

..and Acme, there a LOT of Democrats voting for Trump....some, I suspect to have him run against Hillary...and some because they're fed up with Obama, though a Democrat, though half black, because he's been a corporate guy masquerading as a benevolent champion of God only knows what!

What we have in THIS election is a battle(maybe) of the mega-billionaires...and corporation/bankers...and let's not overlook that Soros, a MAJOR funder of 'Move On' is battling with Trump over CONTROL!!...It's not for money...money is just a stepping stone to power and control.

Trump AND Hillary are both just ego driven power mongols...both of them share the highest rating in both their 'parties' for un-trustworthiness, and highest ratings for being liars!!!

....and like a bunch of brain-dead dupes, their respected parties flock around them....because they see them as 'ELECTABLE'!!!

That, itself, is the biggest shame to this country, and certainly adds dimension to the word 'STUPID'.....but face it, both parties, as well as people in here, have an ingrained bad habit, of looking the other way, and supporting corruption, instead of standing up against it........therefore, you got what you deserved....the sad thing is, you take down a lot of innocent citizens. and screw things up for everyone!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 03:33 PM

You need to get over that Hillary email story, Goofus, there is no current investigation, there was no crime. It's all in the GOP and other Hillary hater's imagination.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 04:02 PM

Y'all might find this interesting, about what might happen about Trump at the convention.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 04:17 PM

Sorry, hit the wrong button before I was done:

Acme: "You need to get over that Hillary email story, Goofus, there is no current investigation, there was no crime. It's all in the GOP and other Hillary hater's imagination. "

Dream on.
Jeez what a sad state of a cross between denial and illiteracy!!...in other words, you don't know what you spout anout!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 04:20 PM

'anout'???...make that 'about'...unless you are fluent in typonese!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 04:24 PM

The Daily Caller

So much for your impartial source, Goofus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge on the Intel Quad Core
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 04:28 PM

Nobody seems bothered by Trump's direct threat on Twitter to send thugs to Sanders meetings?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 04:34 PM

...are you ignoring MSNBC???
I purposely put TWO polarized news sources in my post, just in case some polarized idiot would accuse me of leaning to 'one side' or the other...so take a bow!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 04:46 PM

On your original post you tied both sources to one blicky, Goofy.
Tucker Carlson, gimme a break.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 04:54 PM

Real Democracy Lighter? well I suppose that is impossible if an ordered society is required, but the possible election of Mr Trump could spell the end of the corrupt "Two Party System" which is directed by the banks and Corporations......not probable, but certainly possible. The present voting system vis a vis "super delegates" does not appear to be in any way democratic?

I don't have a dog in this race, except for the fact that American foreign policy often affects the UK. My chief purpose at the moment is to defend myself against charges of misogyny and give my reasons as to why I believe Mrs Clinton is not presidential material...which have absolutely nothing to do with her gender.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 04:58 PM

Well you must not be able to read well...I corrected the TWO links in my second post, and said that I hit the wrong button...BTW, why did you make a mockery of yourself by admitting that they were two different posts, linked together....you trapped yourself by your polarized inclinations!

..and one more IMPORTANT note of hypocrisy...a Clinton 'talking point' is that Colin Powell did the same thing, by having a private E-mail server....so that 'excuses Hillary from doing the same....BUT what she is REALLY saying, is that the OBAMA'S CORRUPTED Justice Dept. DIDN'T prosecute Powell, when the case was within the statute of limitations!! ...along with OTHERS, that did the same thing!!
What is this??? Selected law enforcement???!!!??!!
Wouldn't we all prefer EQUAL protection under the law???
...or more bullshit pandering, one group of 'ruling elite' over the other???
How about EQUALITY??

ALL of them SHOULD have been prosecuted. Gen. Petraeus was prosecuted for FAR less!!

GfS

P.S. OK morons, take it away!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 05:05 PM

Akenaton, to accuse you of 'misogyny' is completely an absurd, routine political tactic...and in your particular case, given the CARE you've given your wife throughout her illness , for all these years, is completely unfounded, and more of the usual semi-literate' nonsense, which seems to dominate the minds, who are told WHAT to THINK, instead of HOW to think!!!!!!!

I believed I've covered this before.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 05:22 PM

The present voting system vis a vis "super delegates" does not appear to be in any way democratic?

Once again, "super delegates" are a feature of the Democratic Party only. The Republican Party doesn't have them. The Libertarian Party doesn't have them. The Green Party doesn't have them. Political parties don't have to be 100% democratic, only as democratic as their membership chooses to be. They are private organizations, not government entities. They can adopt whatever rules they want. If the Democrats want to choose their nominee by holding a séance in the middle of the Mojave Desert, they can do so.

Having said that, super delegates are really a bit of a red herring anyway. Once a candidate accrues a majority of regular pledged delegates, almost all the super delegates who may have been supporting another candidate change their support. It happened in 2008. As soon as Obama won a majority of pledged delegates, all the Clinton super delegates changed their votes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 05:43 PM

Why Do People Hate Hillary Clinton So Much?

Check out what Daily KOS and Politifact and others have rounded up. And this describes the "news" well that Ake and Goofus have been drinking from. Misinformation calculated to be pushed forward by individuals in her own party who don't check the sources or the facts. Find out if a meme or article is true before you push it out there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 05:50 PM

I don't have a dog in this race,

Agreed! - but then you do have your head up your arse, Ake.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 05:51 PM

The puppy baby monkey Elephant in the room is another American Civil War.



It can't happen here. Or not.

Mention of this dichotomy and division of Americans has arrived at a
crossroads of horrid proportions.

Militias have never been larger.

A group called the 3% is a nationwide militia group that bears awareness.

A trigger like an assassination or even a contested convention could change things very quickly.

Talk f a civi war brewing ten years ago


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 06:01 PM

(touch screen mishap)

Talk of a brewing civil war 10 years ago was academic.

The idea of revolution and blowback against what Wall St did are rampant combined with the re energizing of racism by anti Obama forces
is a wildfire in the making. Combine the crazy number of shootings and mass shootings in this country the possibilities feel dire.

Perhaps this is just truthiness but the concept of a civil war of a different type is too close for comfort.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 06:12 PM

Thanks Mrzzy, I needed that link.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 10:02 PM

Hey, Acme, not everybody is so 'compelled' to love Hillary the way you do! From EVERY exit poll, in Democrat primaries, OVER 75%..(and upwards of 86%) of those polled, thought that Hillary had issues with telling the truth, and/or being 'trustworthy'.
Now if someone points that out to you, it doesn't mean they are a 'Hillary Hater'. Matter of fact, I pointed out that Trump has problems with the same thing, at the Republican polls. So do I 'hate' Trump??..No, I just prefer that a candidate who is soliciting my vote, and those of the citizens, to have AT LEAST some sort of record of integrity or honesty....How do you know that the candidate that you support is because you allegedly BELIEVE what they say???.....Does what they say matter, if they are known liars???

So, get off your trip about people who don't believe in your favorite liar, is because they like Trump, or hate Hillary, or belong to one party or the other, or they don't want to elect a woman, or whatever other talking point bullshit, you want to regurgitate and feed other people. People are fed up with 'business as usual'(read: corruption) in Washington....after all, we have the best politicians money can buy!...and both Hillary and Trump, both fit that description, from one side or the other!!!
THAT'S why people have strong negative emotions toward them both.
Get over it!!

GfS

How about just a little bit of an 'honest' candidate??


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Mar 16 - 11:44 PM

Speaking of polls, Goofus, we all have your number.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 12:38 AM

We???..You mean 'The Gullible Deceived Society'???
Who cares??..At least I've been truthful to you...and when found in error, I correct it.....unlike the idiot-logues who just make up more crap to sling at anyone who doesn't buy into their delusions!!!!

It is an honor NOT to be in agreement with you, and your ilk!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 03:00 AM

What astonishes me, is why people who proudly proclaim themselves to be "of the left" prefer Mrs Clinton over Mr Sanders as a presidential candidate.
I can only assume that they think Mrs Clinton is more likely to be elected by the US people than Mr Sanders, so it becomes about keeping the Republicans out of office?

If that is the case the US is doomed to the Status Quo for ever, economic and meaningful social change can never be achieved, you will live in a dreary political limbo, destined to repeat the same mistakes, as "Good Cop" and "Bad Cop" take their turns in the seat of power.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 04:20 AM

"prefer Mrs Clinton over Mr Sanders "
It seems to me that it's not the case of preferring either, but rather of stopping the unacceptable.
"Meaningful social change" is not going to brought about by any of them at present, but at least they can stop this brain-dead thug from becoming the most powerful man on the planet.
We've seen how he operates up close in this part of the world since he took over Greg Norman's Golf Club at Doonbeg and continued the battle to privatise the local beach and sand-dunes for the exclusive use of his wealthy customers - his world view writ small.
The only thing that will bring about half-decent social change is meaningful policies that serve all, not new bums on the same old seats.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 06:09 AM

'What astonishes me, is why people who proudly proclaim themselves to be "of the left" prefer Mrs Clinton over Mr Sanders as a presidential candidate.'

I would like to read a few examples of people who post here 'proclaiming themselves to be of the left' or the right for that matter. Maybe 50 years ago I understood those terms and what people meant/were implying by their use but I do no longer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST, ^*^
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 07:31 AM

Guest from Sanity, your participation is calculated to insult and annoy people. Proclaiming your "truth" as The Truth, insulting those who hold views separate from yours, proclaiming other's "idiocy" as part of a your jaundiced view of all politics, are all signs of a sociopath.

Akenaton, you don't vote in the USA. Thank god.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,sonny
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 07:41 AM

"increased and more intensive use of torture"
Is that Iran?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,sonny
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 08:01 AM

"This report shows that Cuba's treatment of political prisoners in some cases rises to the level of torture, violating Cuba's obligations under the Convention against Torture and under the Universal Declaration."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 09:11 AM

I think I agree with you #.

Unfortunately we in the UK still have those who believe in these labels.....as you can see on this forum.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 09:37 AM

I think it's more of a case of some on here understand them....

Your misogyny isn't based on your dislike for a politician you have no understanding of, it's based on your misogyny as expressed on many threads, alongside your homophobia, racism, pig ignorance and embarrassing bigotry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,sonny
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 11:16 AM

"We're gonna punish our enemies and we're gonna reward our friends" BHO 
Hooray for Iran. Hooray for castro. Boo on Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 01:29 PM

A quick addendum: Of all the candidates, Trump and Sanders are the only ones left who represent the two real polarization..one a capitalist, one a socialist. Cruz and Hillary are both funded by a large degree by Goldman Sachs, and Wall Street. Now WHO do you think either of them are going to represent??? The people?.. OR their financiers??

Look, the fix is already in...we've been bought and paid for already...or to put it bluntly, the overthrow has already happened! Now, it's just a matter of them making it as 'soothing' a realization as plausible.

People are already angry...but some of them can't figure out, that belonging to a puppet party, had anything to do with it...and that goes for BOTH parties!!

You hear the word 'establishment' used for both parties...here, give yourself another clue...'establishment' is just another word for ALL those who owe ALL their allegiance to the globalist bankers/corporations/Wall Street controllers...regardless of party. The 'bankers/corporations/Wall Street controllers' make contributions to BOTH sides...and both sides like their shoes, because it PAYS to be a 'career politician'.

That being said, MOST the 'outsiders' have dropped out(on the 'Republican' side). The 'establishment'(see above) is supporting Hillary. Trump and Sanders have only risen in popularity because they are so radically removed from the perceived 'business as usual', and the populace will frantically grasp for anything they see as a 'life preserver'...while the Titanic breaks apart, and sinks!

I guess you could liken the two 'bought and paid for parties' as an iceberg!..OK??

Annoying????.....Sorry you feel that way, while being clued into being betrayed....'and the beat goes on'!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 01:34 PM

Somehow this post got deleted, because it told you the truth!!!

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 12:50 PM

^*^: "Guest from Sanity, your participation is calculated to insult and annoy people....."

My participation does not include participating in either political party...nor their hogwash, to cover their participation, with 'special interests' over the will of the people who blindly participate in electing, thieves, liars, con men, and supporting traitors, by believing what the party tells the people that they stand should for......when the party is part and parcel, of the particular con being foisted upon the particular participants of their party.

That's my part!!

...as for 'annoying people'..I'm sure I do....it's probably hard to keep the con going, when some annoying person keeps trying to clue people into the truth about the con that they believe in, to the point of watching them 'console' each other, and encourage each other into stupidity, by having them ignore the OBVIOUS!

...besides, as I've posted numerous times..."I'm not with the party...I'm with the band!"


...and as a side note, Akenaton is correct when he calls out those pretending to be 'far left'...but voting for Hillary, and not Sanders.
At least Sanders has a record of believing in what he says, while Hillary can't even remember what office she's holding for what country...or corporation..or foundation...or was that country..no, no no..it was 'special interest'...for the 'foundation'...for "WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE, ANYWAY"--Hillary Clinton on being asked about the deaths, of the U.S. ambassador and three others who died in Benghazi....and then goes on to lie about a video, as to the cause, just to hide her neglect.....not fit to be a ditch digger, let alone a President!....."I sent nothing or received anything 'marked classified'"...Do you mean to tell me that as Sec. of State, she couldn't TELL??????..when the E-mails were naming operatives on the ground????.....Give me a break!!! If you believe that load of crap, then indeed you, or anyone who does, is stupider than shit!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 01:47 PM

Last month's news.

"It must have been very loud and stinky when the dinosaurs were in their final days. But it's just that the dinosaurs were dying. The planet wasn't dying."

Michael Moore, interview
February 25, 2016, page 15
Rolling Stone

Same issue, page 64
"Trump doesn't know it yet, but he will become one of the guys that he hates very soon. Soon he will be a loser. He's a very poor man who only possesses money."
Alejandro González Iñárritu


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 02:15 PM

keberoxu : "Trump doesn't know it yet, but he will become one of the guys that he hates very soon. Soon he will be a loser. He's a very poor man who only possesses money."
Alejandro González Iñárritu

Very insightful!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 04:42 PM

one a socialist.

Yo, Goofus! Sanders is not a "socialist".


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 05:30 PM

Back on QVC Donald was hawking some of his 'new' products.

"You are gonna love these folks their great their great. They said I didn't love the women but I love the women. You know who these are for, she's gonna love these, Here they are; TRUMPONS TRUMPONS
TRUMPONS they are huge absolutely huge. they are great, really great and over here this is really great, its a trilobite double processor Trumplet. Put all your photos and music here folks. TRUMPLETS folks get them while they last. Yeah they are great.

OK Ok how many of you folks like puppies? They are great aren't they well this is greater than great, I have covered the kennel fees from Florida and Ohio for all the puppies from closed puppy mills so you can have a chance to own a Trump Pet. They are super great. You can have them at cost. Get your very own TRUMP Pet."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 07:06 PM

Greg. F: "Yo, Goofus! Sanders is not a "socialist"


I guess it depends on the 'eye of the beholder'...so,(and not a trick question), how do you see Sanders??....Trump?? ...Hillary??
Here's your shot..go for it!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 07:51 PM

Guest from Sanity, why do you stick around here when you so clearly despise everyone and what they represent? It's the attention, isn't it? The negative response thrills you when you turn the subject to yourself, when you abuse others, calling them names and are as nasty as you want to be. The behavior of long-gone MartinGibson comes to mind. He was finally convinced to leave, and you, too, should consider finding a more fruitful occupation than spewing nastiness here at Mudcat all day long.

You're a bad influence on a lot of otherwise reasonable people as you push hot buttons and fill threads with your verbose stench. Your stalking behavior of my old friend Don Firth was unconscionable, and I'm sure that if it was possible to block you, you'd already be gone. Since you never post as a logged-on member, it isn't possible to send these remarks privately. Maybe others who read them will decide to simply not respond to any more of your remarks and let threads stay on topic and out of the red zone.

Just a thought.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 08:17 PM

Amen to that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 08:18 PM

Sanders calls himself a socialist, but he apparently doesn't meet the Platonic ideal of "socialist" that a handful of people seem to hold in their minds.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 09:02 PM

We live in interesting times. Just think, all at once we could have Putin, Trump and Boris Johnson in power all at the same time. And It's Five, Six, Seven, Open Up The Pearly Gates, Well There Ain't No Time To Wonder Why, Whoopee! We're All Gonna Die!


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