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Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album

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Subject: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 11:25 AM

Wonder if anybody can help
Just blundered across a reference to a MacColl album which is totally new to me - Scots Street Songs (U.S. production (Ken Goldstein maybe) - late fifties/early sixties).
Does anybody know of a copy available in any shape or form (a recording would be worth dying for, but I'd be happy just with the notes)
Fairly sure that if it can't be found here on Mudcat, I may as well stop looking.
Many thanks
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 11:36 AM

I have the album... Riverside RLP-121-612...yes, Goldstein. (with occasional concertina accompaniment by Alf Edwards)I think I have means to make MP3s from it, but have not messed with the gadgets recently. I can scan the back... where all the notes are... fairly easily.
Let's see if anyone else has it already done.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 11:40 AM

Many thanks Bill - will wait with bated whatsits.
Happy to swap anything we have - but that would be cheating; anybody is welcome to that anyway
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 11:41 AM

It says here https://www.discogs.com/Ewan-MacColl-Scots-Street-Songs/master/955565M they have copies for sale.

(date given is 1956)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 11:44 AM

This says Amazon has some http://www.amazon.com/Scots-Street-Songs-Ewan-MacColl/dp/B0029SQ5PK

I will scan the back & post images.... you decide if you want to explore hard copies.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 11:45 AM

Saw that Bill - can't see where it's for sale.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 12:13 PM

Found it
I'd rather not pay that price for vinyl if I could get a MP3 version, posting old hard vinyl LPs from the U.S. to Ireland might be a bit of a problem anyway.
Pity it's not downloadable anywhere - would be happy to do that - maybe a swap!!
I really find vinyl a bit of a pain, which is why I'm digitising everything.   
Thanks


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 12:17 PM

at the discogs site

Edit Master Release
Data Correct
Add all to Wantlist

5 For Sale from $13.95

at the Amazon site:


Vinyl
from $19.00
2 Used from $19.00
1 Collectible from $40.00


Perhaps it's a UK thing *shrug*...or a javascript thing.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 12:27 PM

Ok... cross-posted....

BTW... I also have the re-release of the album called "Street Songs of Scotland" on the Washington label VM-738...... autographed by MacColl when he & Peggy visited here about 37 years ago. They followed me to a concert venue, and graciously signed several albums.


I'll scan both albums and investigate the MP3 software.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 12:33 PM

Would be extremely grateful Bill - Dropbox is good for me.
Thanks (never get used to the generosity of people on this site)
Where did you get the autograph, BTW (where's "here?)
I know Ewan had visa problems when trying to get into the U.S. for many years
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 01:44 PM

Here is the Wash. D.C area... the venue was at Georgetown University. Ewan & Peggy were staying at Helen Scheyner's house and I was a fairly new member of FSGW who had made friends with Helen. Somehow, she heard that I had a car and knew where to go. I went over to her place in Maryland a couple hours before the concert, and led them downtown and watched them get ready & do sound checks.

I had brought several albums...just in case... and they not only signed those, but quizzed me about others of theirs they thought I should have. I had to admit my collection thus far was acquired in Kansas... from cut-out bins. (since remedied)

Now... there is an archive of FSGW newsletters, and I am looking to see the exact date, but that may take awhile. (It was somewhere in a 2 year span between Fall 1978 and Fall 1980, I'd think)
I did find http://fsgw.org/archive/Newsletters/FSGW-NL-v06/FSGW-NL-v06n11.pdf this one, which says they had been here in May 1970, which was 7 years before I moved here.... so they did have some connections... probably thru Peggy... to deal with bureaucracy.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 01:59 PM

Thanks for that Bill - will take it up further later - poised to embarky on a glorious 'Concertina Weekend' here.
Happy to fill the gaps of "what you should have" (not a condition - just an offer) - I'm preparing to sort out a load for another Muddcatter at present so happy to add your email address to the Dropbox.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: GUEST,Wm
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 02:43 PM

Hi Jim,

I enjoy reading your posts, and am grateful for your efforts in making accessible your recordings of traditional singers. Here is a link to an mp3 copy of the album; the link will expire in 48 hours, so act fast. I don't have the accompanying notes, unfortunately.

Truthfully, it's not my favorite MacColl album (there are a couple of wonky concertina accompaniments and a few songs that just don't interest me much), but there's still some fine singing.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 04:00 PM

Then I will soon get a scan of the back of the earlier album up... which I believe are the only notes. I'm not sure they did booklets in 1956.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Reinhard
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 05:39 PM

You can find the sleeve notes on The Balladeers.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 06:01 PM

Ahhh... thank you both, Wm & Reinhard


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: GUEST,Dave Hunt
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 06:16 PM

Guest Wm....many thanks for the MP3 download....a recording I never had. And thanks to Reinhard for the link to the notes.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Jorrox
Date: 13 Feb 16 - 07:51 AM

Thanks for that link, Wm. Worked for me.....


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Feb 16 - 09:31 AM

First - thanks Wm - am stunned by the generosity of people here
Now the embarrassing bit - opened the link, can't find the right button - the ones I press give me PDF converters but no sound file.
Not used to this programme, I use Dropbox - perhaps some kind person will assist me across the road.
Perhaps I should explain why I am on the cadge.
Pat and I were friends of and worked with Ewan and Peggy for over twenty years.
Over that time we accumulated a great deal of material connected with their work and ideas - lectures, seminars, live recordings, interviews.... enough to describe it as a substantial archive.
A couple of years ago we thought we might be able to get an accessible archive set up in the UK but, as we now live in the West of Ireland, we tried to get someone to help over the water - no takers - so we helped produce two hour-long radio programmes to coincide with Ewan's 100th for Irish radio instead - a great success.
Last year we were in touch with Ewan's son, Neil, who is in the process of producing a 4-CD set of Ewan's singing - hopefully to be released this year.
Neil is archiving everything on Ewan and we have agreed to pass on everything we have to him.
This will include all the albums we have, which is nearly his entire output (minus the 78s and a couple of U.S. albums which are probably reproduced elsewhere)
To make them accessible, I am archiving all the sound files along with the album notes and information in order to make them usable.
Once this is done, I am happy to pass anything on to anybody interested - very much a part of how Ewan regarded knowledge and material, so feel free to ask- not as good as an archive, but there you go!!
Some of our own collection of field recordings (Co. Clare singers) is accessible on the Clare County website (see Carroll- Mackenzie collection at Clare Co. Library ) - we've just received news that the County has applied for a grant to employ a singer-in-residence to teach singing, using our collection as a basis
Later in the year, Limerick Uni will house our entire collection for the use of their World Music Department, which might mean they will set up a Travellers website - they have expressed a wish to do so.
Anyway - nuff said - further help will be very much appreciated.   
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Feb 16 - 10:08 AM

Scrub that last - opened it
Many thanks
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Feb 16 - 02:19 PM

Just to fill in what I mentioned earlier about when I met Ewan & Peggy..
it was Nov. 4, 1982 (PDF of the FSGW newsletter.)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Feb 16 - 03:22 PM

Thanks Bill
Would you object if I archived that article?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Feb 16 - 06:31 PM

Not a problem, Jim... it's public domain.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Reinhard
Date: 14 Feb 16 - 04:04 AM

I'm not sure they did booklets in 1956.

As usual, it depends. A.L. Lloyd and Ewan MacColl's The English and Scottish Popular Ballads, also on Riverside in 1956, have six to ten-page booklets fixed to the gatefold sleeves.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Feb 16 - 04:53 AM

" The English and Scottish Popular Ballads,"
These booklets a tremendous addition to the albums and not just the MacColl ones.
I've been staggered by the amount of information carried by the Library of Congress recordings - beats the hell out of many of the UK productions, sadly.
All of the Smithsonian/Folkways notes are available as free downloads from their site and the Balladeers site has a large number of scannable ones for now unavailable albums (Lightshot is a great programme for this)
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scots Street Songs Rare - MacColl album
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Feb 16 - 05:31 AM

"Truthfully, it's not my favorite MacColl album "
I meant to say earlier, when I first move to London in the 1960s Ewan and Peg kindly fed me and gave me a bed for a few weeks until I found my feet - some of that time was spent 'helping Ewan in the garden' which consisted of sitting in a deckchair, drinking their beer and listening to him pouring out his thoughts and ideas (it was a glorious summer in 1969 in many ways).
One confession he made was that he couldn't bear to listen to his early recordings - "mainly too slow and ponderous".
Have to say I'm very am much enjoying re-visiting them now.
I have to say, I agree with Bronson's review of the Lloyd/MacColl English and Scottish ballads: "It is not, I think, an exaggeration to declare that this is the most important event in the field sing the publication of Sharp and Karpeles Southern Appalachian collection....
THe length of many of these versions as sung by MacColl and Lloyd is a new experience, and and as such it promotes reconsideration of ballad form by bringing into sharp focus questions hitherto unasked or but dimly perceived. "
(1957)
These albums need to be looked at in context
Jim Carroll


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