Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966

Subject: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: GUEST,Richard
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 09:51 AM

I'm looking for a BBC schools music broadcast pamphlet from around 1966 that
includes songs that I recall from the time (I was born in 1958) to include the following lines:

1) "With a plane smooth the grain, get the surface to your liking, only
fools blame their tools when the skill is lacking. Craftsman get their
satisfaction from the standards set them, no apprentice to the art would
ever dare forget them"

2) "My old tin car makes a lot of noise along the street, for bits drop off
as the carburettor gathers heat, a magnet at the rear attracts the bits from
falling clear, I know it's nothing much to look at but it gets me there".

3) "Around my father's garden the ***** are at play. And everyone who sees
them says oh how sweet are they. But little do they know that they're out
to have some fun. Come into the garden, see if we can trick someone, come
into the garden, hurry everyone".(French Traditional Tune).

These songs might have been in a BBC Music Workshop pamphlet or perhaps Time and Tune?

PLEASE COULD YOU HELP AND TELL ME WHICH PAMPHLET THESE SONGS ARE IN!

Many thanks,

Richard

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: GUEST,Sula
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 06:40 PM

Could have been 'Singing Together.' I don't know this song...I'm a couple of years older than you, so would have moved on to "Senior school"

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: GUEST,Ebor Fiddler
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 07:04 PM

If it has rude words in, I doubt very much its conjectured BBC origin.

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: GUEST,#
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 07:49 PM

It would seem the word you represented by the ***** is Lortie. Please read the following exchange from 2007 at

http://alfaguru.livejournal.com/268385.html

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: GUEST,#
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 07:59 PM

DAMN: My eyesight's going. The word is Lortle. Sorry.

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: GUEST,#
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 01:08 AM

http://www.broadcastforschools.co.uk/site/Time_and_Tune

If a visual would be of any use, there may be one at that site.

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: GUEST,Richard
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 11:08 AM

Thank you everyone for the replies so far.

In the third song listed, I'd put asterisks because I'd only half-remembered the word as "mortals" but knew that couldn't be correct. As the word is "Lortls" (an anagram of "trolls") I wasn't too far off!

I seem to recall I was in class 4 (of Dundonald Primary school), or the school year Autumn '65 to Summer '66, when we were singing along to these BBC radio schools programmes, which is consistent with the posts on the "alfaguru" link given above. One of these postings said that the song was broadcast in the "Time and Tune" series. The "broadcastsforschools" site says that this series was for 7-9 year olds and I was in this age group at the time (born March '58) so this seems likely.

All I'd like to know now is whether the pamphlet containing these 3 songs is Autumn '65, Spring '66 or Summer '66.

I'm assuming that all 3 songs were in the same pamphlet!

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: Snuffy
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 02:13 PM

The "French Traditional Tune" of song #3 is "Aupres de ma Blonde". The English lyrics posted by Jim Dixon in this thread is a pretty close translation of the first four verses of the French song. The actual French words translate as:

In my father's garden the lilacs are in bloom.
In my father's garden the lilacs are in bloom.
All the birds of the world come there to build their nests
Chorus Beside my blonde, it is fine, is fine, is fine
Beside my blonde, it is fine to sleep (lie)

All the birds of the world come there to build their nests
All the birds of the world come there to build their nests
The quail, the turtle-dove, and the pretty partridge etc.

And my little dove who sings night and day

He sings for all the girls have no husband.

He doesn't sing for me for I have a fine one

Tell us, lass, where is your husband?

He's in Holland: the Dutch have captured him.

Tell us, lass, what would you give to get him back?

The tower of Notre Dame and the belfry of our church

And my little dove who sings night and day

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: Snuffy
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 02:18 PM

I have known the tune since the early 50's ? when another song was popular with a chorus of:

I want to be near you. You're the one for me, for me.
I want to be near you. You're the one for me

It is now apparently quite commonly played with a "singing call" for square dances.

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: GUEST,Richard
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 06:25 PM

FOUND IT!

The "Lortl Song", the third song in my list, is in "Time and Tune - BBC Radio for Schools - Spring Term 1966". Just found and bought it on Amazon.

The accompanying description is: "A music series offering children opportunities to listen to music and sing along, with creative suggestions and games to develop music appreciation and skills. This pamphlet has a witches and wizards theme and contains six songs - Susy Little Susy, The Riddle, The Little Pig, Lortl Song, The Weather Witch and Missa Ram Goat".

Actually, this book had already been sold on Amazon and was unavailable. Then I carried on down my search list and was lucky enough to see a picture of the identical book but incorrectly labelled as "Spring Term 1969" and so I bought it.

Now all I need to find out is which pamphlets the other two songs are in. A bookseller has just told me that they're not in Time and Tune, Autumn Term 1965. Perhaps they're in either the Summer '66 publication or the following school year (Autumn 1966- Summer 67)?

Many thanks for all the postings, especially to "GUEST.#".

Richard

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: GUEST,Richard
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 03:14 AM

FOUND THEM!

The remaining two songs ( 1. and 2. in my list above) are in "BBC Music Workshop, Stage Two, Spring 1967, Baldy Bane". This series was rebroadcast in Spring 1968, which was when I was listening.

I've ordered the pamphlet from eBay.

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 07:17 AM

These booklets on EBay, or Amazon, often do not list the contents.
For future info we have partial indexes for some of these on Mudcat.
Time & Tune
< a href=http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=154766>Singing Together

Cheers
Nigel

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 07:27 AM

That second reference should be:

Singing Together

Cheers
Nigel

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: GUEST,Richard
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 10:14 AM

Here's a correction from me too.

Earlier in this thread I said that "Time and Tune - BBC Radio for Schools - Spring Term 1966" was incorrectly advertised on Amazon as Spring Term 1969. Actually, this series of songs was rebroadcast in 1969 and the accompanying pamphlet republished. I've just read this info. on the www.broadcastforschools.co.uk website.

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: GUEST,Richard
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 03:23 AM

Here are all three verses of the "Lortl Song", transcribed from the aforementioned BBC pamphlet:-

1. Around my father's garden the Lortls are at play,
And everyone who sees them says "Oh how sweet are they!"
But little do they know that they're out to have some fun,
"Come into the garden, See if we can trick someone.
Come into the garden, Hurry, everyone!"

2. When you go in the garden Upon the path you tread;
But Lortls much prefer dancing On the flower bed.
(The worms get rather anxious And wriggle underground).
"Come into the garden, Blow that pile of leaves around.
Come into the garden, no-one make a sound!"

3. A Lortl is a creature with big ears and a grin,
But he's the one behind you if you slip on a skin.
You may not all believe me, but what I say is true.
"Come into the garden, I've a secret word for you.
Come into the garden - I'm a Lortl too!"

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: GUEST,#
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 03:51 AM

Great news, Richard. :-)

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: GUEST,The Prof
Date: 15 Sep 16 - 12:07 PM

The lyrics are from Time and Tune - the series about space. I don't know which edition it was in but I was trying to find exactly the same transmission. "Calling all Zartians to take a stand. Earthmen invaders approach our land..." and "Where have you been to, Peter?"

If anyone knows the tranmission and where I can fin the entire pamphlet, I'd also be most grateful.

Prof.

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 08:10 PM

Up and attack to make them draw back/We are all set and our spaceships manned.

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 08:53 AM

"Battle song of the Zartians" now identified as being in Time & Tune for Spring 1965.
This was not exactly a 'space' issue as it only had two space-related songs, Battle song of the Zartians" and "Stars"

Subject: Lyr Add: Battle Song of the Zartians
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 10:46 AM

BATTLE SONG OF THE ZARTIANS
Tune: Morning comes early

Calling all Zartians to take a stand.
Earthman invaders approach our land
Up and attack to make them draw back,
We are all set and our space-ships manned.

Though we are small we are bold and strong.
Our two antennae are extra long;
They can detect each thought as you think it,
They can transmit every Zartian song.

We are the masters of all the sky.
Out into space let our rockets fly.
As you come nearer into our orbit
Two-legged strangers, prepare to die.

X: 1
T: Zartians
M: 4/4
L: 1/4
Z: NP 22/02/2019
K: C
C/C/DE/GF/| EDC2| G/G/AB/dc/| BAG2| c/ed/cB| A/AG/(FE)| D/DEGG/F/| EDC2||
w: Calli-ng all Zar-tians to take a stand. Earth-man in-vad-ers ap-proach our land. Up and at-tack to make them draw back,_ We are all set and our space-ships manned.


Sourced from “Time and Tune” from BBC Radio broadcasts for schools Spring 1965.
The BBC booklet gives no author for the song, but the broadcasts were “edited and produced by Jenyth Worsley” and the back cover gives the tune as “Morning Comes early” from “A Canadian Song Book” published by J.M.Dent & Sons Ltd.   NP

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: GUEST,Jac
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 03:43 AM

Thanks so much for your info on this.Ive found an old tape and I am singing this song in Summer 1966 aged 9!
I had totally forgotten about Time and Tune but could remember Singing Together. I'm also singing Poor Susy and some others so I guess I had the booklet!

Subject: RE: Which BBC Schools Broadcast around 1966
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 06:17 AM

Guest, Jac
Mudcat currently hosts fairly inclusive contents lists for the BBC schools songbooks, organised by year:
Time and Tune
Singing Together
Rhythm and Melody

Cheers
Nigel