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Origins: I Saw Three Ships 7 HULL

GeoffLawes 29 Feb 16 - 07:37 AM
GUEST,# 29 Feb 16 - 11:52 AM
Steve Gardham 29 Feb 16 - 01:21 PM
Steve Gardham 29 Feb 16 - 04:05 PM
Steve Gardham 29 Feb 16 - 04:12 PM
GUEST,henryp 29 Feb 16 - 04:17 PM
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Subject: Origins: I SAW THREE SHIPS 7 HULL
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 07:37 AM

Can anyone be definite about whether the carol "I Saw Three Ships" is really connected with Hull as I have heared. This link HERE, has an item from the Hull Daily Mail, which presents part of the story suggesting that the carol is about the bones of the three Magi, which, in the version I heard, were saved from a storm in the Humber while being transported. The late and lamented Malcolm Douglas, in an old MUDCAT thread " Origins: I saw 3 ships. Carol" HERE, suggested going back to another Mudcat thread , but the link given to that did not work.


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Subject: RE: Origins: I SAW THREE SHIPS 7 HULL
From: GUEST,#
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 11:52 AM

thread.cfm?threadid=54593

I think that may be the older thread mentioned by Malcolm.


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Subject: RE: Origins: I Saw Three Ships 7 HULL
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 01:21 PM

The perpetrator of that myth, in recent years, is Paul Davenport. It's plausible but has very little foundation. A version of the song in the Journals was collected from a Humber bargeman and Paul and Liz sing this version. Your best bet to start with is to talk to Paul.


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Subject: RE: Origins: I Saw Three Ships 7 HULL
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 04:05 PM

Having looked at the other thread the earlier perpetrator of the myth was Annie Gilchrist in the EFDSS Journals. The connection is with the Humber rather than Hull. Paul has rather fancifully linked Hull's three crowns symbol with the skulls of the magi. Three skulls, three ships, three crowns........er...three bears!


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Subject: RE: Origins: I Saw Three Ships 7 HULL
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 04:12 PM

Cue, an adaptation on Spare Hands' last album.

I saw three ships go sailing by, go sailing by, go sailing by,
I saw three ships go sailing by
On a cold and frosty morning

The Saint Romanus was the first...

The Kingston Peridot was the next....

The third one was the Ross Cleveland...

Bound down for the Arctic Seas....

The freezing spray soon turned to ice...

These three trawlers they all went down.....

The wives and bains were left to mourn...

I saw three ships go sailing by....


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Subject: RE: Origins: I Saw Three Ships 7 HULL
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 04:17 PM

From Wikipedia;

The Shrine of the Three Kings (German Dreikönigsschrein) is a reliquary said to contain the bones of the Biblical Magi, also known as the Three Kings or the Three Wise Men. The shrine is a large gilded and decorated triple sarcophagus placed above and behind the high altar of Cologne Cathedral. It is considered the high point of Mosan art and the largest reliquary in the western world.

Legend recounts that the "relics of the Magi" were originally situated at Constantinople, but brought to Milan in an oxcart by Eustorgius I, the city's bishop, to whom they were entrusted by the Emperor Constantine in 314. The relics of the Magi were taken from Milan by Holy Roman Emperor Fredrick Barbarossa and given to the Archbishop of Cologne, Rainald of Dassel, eight centuries later, in 1164.

"I Saw Three Ships (Come Sailing In)" is a traditional and popular Christmas carol from England. A variant of its parent tune "Greensleeves", the earliest printed version of "I Saw Three Ships" is from the 17th century, possibly Derbyshire, and was also published by William Sandys in 1833.

The reference to three ships is thought to originate in the three ships that bore the purported relics of the Biblical magi to Cologne Cathedral in the 12th century. Another possible reference is to Wenceslaus II, King of Bohemia, who bore a coat of arms "Azure three galleys argent".


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Subject: RE: Origins: I Saw Three Ships 7 HULL
From: GUEST,#
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 04:55 PM

http://www.hymnsandcarolsofchristmas.com/Hymns_and_Carols/i_saw_three_ships.htm

Sheet music from 1833 as mentioned by henryp.


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