BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues

Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge on the Intel Quad Core
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 11:03 AM

Well, if the Repuglitard candidates can tell us about their hardware, fnar fnar, so can I!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: keberoxu
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 11:29 AM

The Trumpasaurus Rex ate your post.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 01:32 PM

U.S. Social Security and Medicare are socialist programs.

Not even Ted Cruz talks about eliminating them.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 01:57 PM

Thanks Jeff nice to see a civil response here on Mudcat.
The NHS was a socialist concept, the problem is that under a Capitalist economic system such concepts come under huge pressures and go the way of our NHS which is now routinely abused by almost everyone from top management, drug companies, PFI initiatives, right down to patients who claim all sorts of services, simply because they see themselves as having the right to do so.

The personal rights culture does not sit well with the needs of a wider society, as resources diminish and the Capitalist cycle swings away from the developed West sacrifices are going ton have to be made, we are no longer in a position to "have it all".

If our population do not understand that, they must be educated into understanding, if they are unwilling they must be made aware that the values of capitalism will no longer apply.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 02:14 PM

I would also add, that a society dependent on large scale welfare benefits is not IMO a socialist one.
"Benefits" should be a last resort and society should be driven by the wish to contribute in the common good, not take as much as possible for oneself.
Our lifestyle over the last couple of decades has become unsustainable, waste and greed abounds the time has come for a dose of reality. I was a CP member for forty years, in that time I divined the true nature of Capitalism and where it would eventually lead....we are almost there.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 02:56 PM

A FUN Idea:

One conductor at a Trump rally will push hi send button when Trump says something outrageously stupid, daft or lie to have hundreds or thousands of people to start laughing and keep it up for 90 seconds.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 03:58 PM

"The personal rights culture does not sit well with the needs of a wider society,"
Personal rights are just that - personal rights and taking them away is an abuse of democracy.
Those who need that are suffering enough under this crappy system to have to live under the threat of having them taken away because the system isn't working.
How about tacking the rapidly growing gap between haves and have nots before you question our rights - or doesn't that fall withing the remit of your particular brand of "socialism"
Would you equally demote all those bankers and financial advisors whos ent the economy crashing in flames a few years ago - or all those parliamentarians who were found to be milking the taxpayers for non-existent expenses - or all those companies who have manipulated their finances so they don't pay any tax - nah - course not - far easi8er to blame working people and make them carry the can.
Bloody right-wingers!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 04:18 PM

"Would you equally demote all those bankers and financial advisors who sent the economy crashing in flames a few years ago - or all those parliamentarians who were found to be milking the taxpayers for non-existent expenses - or all those companies who have manipulated their finances so they don't pay any tax - nah - course not - far easi8er to blame working people and make them carry the can."

Jim these organisations are the capitalist system, a disgrace that I've spoken and demonstrated against all my life.
It will certainly implode some day, but I am more interesting in what type of society will replace it. The culture of "self" and personal rights will be no better than a money based system, it is cynically used by the capitalists to retain power.....they say we have "equality" when evidently we do not. Health and education can still be bought and passed on to the wealthy in society.....how many ex public school boys are on the benches of Westminster?

Any equality granted is of no importance and never calls the system to question......THE PEOPLE...."Its own are all things between earth and heaven;
But this it knows not; and if one arise
To tell this truth, it kills him unforgiven" Tommasso Campanella.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 04:43 PM

Bad news for anti Semitic Clinton supporters

Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 05:48 PM

Not even Ted Cruz talks about eliminating them.

No, just privatizing them - which amounts to the same thing. This has been part of the Republicrap agenda for years.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge on the Intel Quad Core
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 06:43 PM

Recognising that Israel is an interloper and oppressor, and inter alia must hand back much of what it has stolen is not anti-semitic, but anti-Zionist. It is also one area (AFAIK the only area) where Trump is talking more sense than any other US presidential hopeful.

And I note that nobody has, apparently, read the two interesting articles I linked to.

To base the concept on a post-capitalistic society on the absence of rights is, frankly, appalling.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 08:20 PM

The rise of authoritarianism has been being discussed in the US for seven years that I'm aware of.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 08:49 PM

"Jim these organisations are the capitalist system, a disgrace that I've spoken and demonstrated against all my life."
Meaningless words Ake, words.
Why are you suggesting that a "strong leader" is needed - why are you suggesting that rights are expendable or unimportant, why are you suggesting that we have to make sacrifices
- I asked about penalising the bankers, and the politicians - you reply with politicians gibberish.
Where is the answer to my question - why should we make sacrifices when predators like Google can do deals to avoid the tax they owe
Why should bankers retain their jobs after they have sent the economy tumbling over and over again - why should politicians who have been found to have been milking the country remain in parliament.... ???
Your answer lies in your silence - it's easier that we should make the sacrifices and leave them where they are to continue their predatory bahaviour
Where is your actual acknowledgement that these people have even done anything reprehensible?
NOWHERE.
You would rather we make the sacrifice
Socialism is about giving rights to all - not suggesting they be removed.
You are no more a socialist than I am the Dalai Lama   
"To base the concept on a post-capitalistic society on the absence of rights is, frankly, appalling"
You said it Richard- this guy's socialism missed out the N word, I'm afraid.
Jim Carroll.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 10:09 PM

Bad news for anti Semitic Clinton supporters

Which "anti Semitic Clinton supporters" might those be, Pharoah?

You do have a real bug up you're arse about Clinton, don't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge on the Intel Quad Core
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 11:16 PM

Guest at 0820 - but did you read either of the articles I linked to?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 11:51 PM

You mean Guest,# at 8:20. And yes I did.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump II- The Horror Continues
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 11:58 PM

Here's one for Guest at 21 Mar 16 - 11:16 PM

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_end_of_america/2009/08/how_is_america_going_to_end_2.html