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Tune Add: Writing New Tunes

GUEST,Captainswing 24 Mar 16 - 06:58 PM
GUEST 24 Mar 16 - 07:39 PM
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GUEST,leeneia 25 Mar 16 - 09:49 AM
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GUEST,leeneia 25 Mar 16 - 10:51 AM
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GUEST,Captainswing 26 Mar 16 - 07:54 PM
GUEST,Grishka 27 Mar 16 - 01:02 PM
GUEST,Captainswing 27 Mar 16 - 03:23 PM
GUEST,leeneia 27 Mar 16 - 06:07 PM
GUEST,Captainswing 27 Mar 16 - 06:49 PM
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GUEST,Paul Clarke 27 Mar 16 - 07:07 PM
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Subject: Tune Add: Writing New Tunes
From: GUEST,Captainswing
Date: 24 Mar 16 - 06:58 PM

I started writing tunes last year and would appreciate any constructive criticism.

Also, if anyone knows any portals to enable people to get tunes new tunes publicised and perhaps played by other musicians I would be grateful for information.

A number of my recent creations can be found at:

https://musescore.com/user/5622691

Thanks in advance, PC


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Writing New Tunes
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Mar 16 - 07:39 PM

Only one comment: you need a very good memory to write tunes. Many's the tune that I've "written" only to find it's a mild variation on a tune I must have heard somewhere before.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Writing New Tunes
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Mar 16 - 07:53 PM

Did you notice any subliminal plagiarism?


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Writing New Tunes
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 09:49 AM

I listened to them all and did not notice any subliminal plagiarism.

I like your tunes, Peter. Well done.

I see that you have copyrighted them. Does that mean you expect anyone who wants to play the tune to pay you? If so, how?

If you are not fussy about that, I can think of one way to get your music known, and that is to have a dance composed to go with the tune and to introduce it to the country dance community. Sorry, I can't provide details.

When I say 'country dance,' I include English country dance, Scottish dance, Irish dance, and Contra. A friend just told me about a new kind, "easier than contra," but I can't remember the name of it. Maybe another catter will know.

As for constructive criticism, I have one thought. Most of your tunes sound like fiddle tunes, with lots of eighth notes. Watch out for having too many eighth notes in a row. People need to breath and to think.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Writing New Tunes
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 10:09 AM

Thanks for that Leeneia. It's very useful. I will watch out for the eighth notes!

I have only copyrighted the tunes in the unlikely event that someone would record one and make a massive amount of money out of it.

I would be delighted if some decided to learn and play some or one of them. All I need is to be credited where possible and be made aware, again where possible, that someone has it in their repertoire or has recorded it.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Writing New Tunes
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 10:51 AM

Ah so! A reasonable point of view, I think. Certainly, if someone records your tune and is making money from it, then they ought to share the proceeds with you.

But if it's all right for musicians simply to play it at home or in a session, then I'll get 1 to 3 of them ready for my "band", which meets in my living room and makes no recordings, to play them. And I'll make sure your name is on as composer.
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Another idea for making your tunes known is to take a few copies to sessions and hand them out freely. Put the chords on them. And use colored paper, so people can find them again.   What you want to do is to get the NAME of the tune out there. Then put the tune on the well-known tune sites so more people can look for it.

In my own case, the two sites I use most to find new tunes are The Session and the abc notation site.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Writing New Tunes
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 16 - 12:59 PM

Thanks again Leeeia.

Yes, there's no problem using the tunes in a session or a performance. I would be more than delighted for someone to record one of my tunes and would be happy with just a copy of the recording, unless the record began to make a significant amount of money.

Please let me know how you and your band get on with them. I have since made slight alterations to some of them where e.g., chords are not quite correct or some of the cadences are not fluid enough. If you need a latest version of anything, please let me know.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Writing New Tunes
From: GUEST,Captainswing
Date: 26 Mar 16 - 07:54 PM

Refresh


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Writing New Tunes
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 27 Mar 16 - 01:02 PM

Hi Peter,

I would like to encourage all music lovers to try their luck at composing. The software MuseScore you are using is free, reasonably easy to use and has more features than most of us are likely to need in their whole lives.

Like in all other arts, one year of trying will make nobody a master. The point is to sharpen one's sense of quality by self-critically comparing one's own products to existing ones. By and by, you will get a better understanding of how the chosen kind of music works. This alone is a great benefit, and the reason why composing courses are compulsory in schools of music even for those musical professions that do not involve composing a single note.

Composing folk tunes is usually learned by playing a lot of existing ones and analyzing them. Try out variations and find out which ones work, and why. Many folkies frown at harmony tutorials, but I for one strongly recommend them. Work through the exercises on your MuseScore and listen carefully to the success. Particularly mind clean and meaningful bass lines.

On a more technical note: you seem to be a guitarist. If you write for other instruments, you have to acquire some knowledge about their technical and musical features. To start with: for flute music, forests of ledger lines are suitable at the top of the staff, not at the bottom.

Best of luck to all composers! Regardless whether your tunes turn out successful, your musical intelligence will improve in proportion to your serious effort!


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Writing New Tunes
From: GUEST,Captainswing
Date: 27 Mar 16 - 03:23 PM

Thanks Grishka
I agree with all of that.

As I am finding, writing a melody and then arranging it for other instruments are quite different functions. Realistically, I would never perform my tunes with more than a fiddle, guitar and bass. But the process of arranging them through MuseScore provides a myriad of learning opportunities. My sight reading, as an example, has improved considerably in the last few months.

Thanks for the good wishes.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Writing New Tunes
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 27 Mar 16 - 06:07 PM

Thanks for the informatin, Grishka.

Peter, I REALLY like 'Ornsay Lighthouse', eighth notes and all.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Writing New Tunes
From: GUEST,Captainswing
Date: 27 Mar 16 - 06:49 PM

Thanks Leeneia, much appreciated!


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Writing New Tunes
From: GUEST,Captainswing
Date: 27 Mar 16 - 07:06 PM

Leeneia - just checked that one - the D chord at bar 12 should be an E chord. I bet you already knew that.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Writing New Tunes
From: GUEST,Paul Clarke
Date: 27 Mar 16 - 07:07 PM

My hardware isn't up to listening to music clips, but I'd second what several have said, and add this: Jeeniea [I'd love to know if the male version of the name is Jeenius!!] mentioned getting the NAME out: in that context, strong names will help. The point about tune names is that their appropriateness is in the ear of the be[er]-holder. If you gave them original (poss. surreal?) names consistently, you might get a name [brand] for that, which might aid memorability.
Unless the software doesn't allow it, you should be able to indicate stuff off the stave by using an 8va line, where the notes are written an octave higher/lower than played. Players familiar with note-names won't struggle to transpose and it makes it easier to sight-read. Only works for fairly continuous sequences (you can't easily annotate an odd quaver/8th-note as a one-off or a repeated series of leaping intervals) but there's nothing to stop you writing ALL the notes in that sequence an octave away from where they should be, even if some notes at pitch would still be on or near the stave. I'd imagine music software struggles to deal with printing 8va markings, but worth looking into. If you're not familiar with this principle (it prob. doesn't arise in folk notation much), I'll have a look myself (though probably not within the next fortnight) and report back. I'd be interested to try musescore, as I'm always open to anything free!!!


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Writing New Tunes
From: GUEST,Captainswing
Date: 27 Mar 16 - 07:37 PM

Thanks Paul
I've just had a look at MuseScore.
There are a range of different clefs available e.g. 8va, 15ma, baritone C. I have to admit this is well beyond my range of knowledge at the moment.

Given my short experience though, MuseScore performs extremely well and is very easy to use.

Great value!


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