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Tradsinger 10 May 16 - 10:11 AM
Jack Campin 10 May 16 - 10:16 AM
Cool Beans 10 May 16 - 02:54 PM
MGM·Lion 10 May 16 - 05:52 PM
GUEST,John 10 May 16 - 06:15 PM
MGM·Lion 10 May 16 - 06:45 PM
GUEST,muggie 11 May 16 - 09:17 AM
GUEST,AR 11 May 16 - 01:29 PM
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Subject: Tailors in folk song
From: Tradsinger
Date: 10 May 16 - 10:11 AM

I am compiling some notes about various folk songs and have just written down that tailoring in folk song was seen as an unmanly profession and the but of jokes. Now, I must have got that from reading it somewhere but can't remember where. Can anyone provide chapter and verse?

BTW, it you are a tailor, remember, it's only a song.

Tradsinger


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Subject: RE: tailors in folk song
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 May 16 - 10:16 AM

Maybe the intro from Penguin Book of English Folk Songs?


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Subject: RE: tailors in folk song
From: Cool Beans
Date: 10 May 16 - 02:54 PM

In "The Three Jolly Rogues of Lynn," about "a miller, a weaver and a little tailor," the tailor seems to be the worst of the lot.


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Subject: RE: tailors in folk song
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 May 16 - 05:52 PM

Well, Tradsinger, I mentioned the convention in my notes to my Brewhouse record Butter & Cheese & All (BH8904); where I wrote, re The Tailor in the Teachest, "Conflict between sailors and tailors (cf I'll go and List for a Sailor) seems to be a result of more than just the fortuitous jingle of the names; perhaps they are supposed to represent two extremes of manliness?"

I do not flatter myself that this is necessarily (or even probably!) the reference you are seeking; but wherever you may have read it, it was surely rehearsing something of a folk commonplace?

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: tailors in folk song
From: GUEST,John
Date: 10 May 16 - 06:15 PM

There was an old saying '9 tailors maketh a man' so it's clear that they were considered wimps.

'List for a Sailor' is the tale of a tailor who is cuckolded by the captain of a whaling ship.

Another good example is 'Benjamin Bowmaneer' a tale of a tailor doing battle with a flea.


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Subject: RE: tailors in folk song
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 May 16 - 06:45 PM

According to Dorothy L Sayers' novel The Nine Tailors, that quote refers to the fact that the death of a woman should be signalled to the parish by six tolling strokes ("tailors") of the great tenor bell, but that of a man by nine: hence "Nine tailors maketh [ie indicates] a man". This usage of "tailor" is confirmed by Chambers Dictionary -- "a teller stroke (bellringing, esp dialect".

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Subject: RE: tailors in folk song
From: GUEST,muggie
Date: 11 May 16 - 09:17 AM

The Tailor Fell Thro' The Bed
TUNE: I rede ye beware o' the ripells you man
(I advise you beware of the back pains you man)


Robert Burns
The Tailor Fell Thro' The Bed
1.
The tailor fell thro' the bed, thimble an' a',
The tailor fell thro' the bed, thimble an' a';
The blankets were thin, and the sheets they were sma' -
The tailor fell thro' the bed, thimble an' a'!
2.
The sleepy bit lassie, she dreaded nae ill,
The sleepy bit lassie, she dreaded nae ill,
The weather was cauld, and the lassie lay still:
She thought that a tailor could do her nae ill!
3.
Gie me the groat again, cannie young man!
Gie me the groat again, cannie young man!
The day is short, and the night it is lang -
The dearest siller that ever I wan!
4.
There's somebody weary wi' lying her lane,
There's somebody weary wi' lying her lane!
There's some that are dowie, I trow wad be fain
To see the bit tailor come skippin again.


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Subject: RE: tailors in folk song
From: GUEST,AR
Date: 11 May 16 - 01:29 PM

What about the Gaelic song Fosgail and Dorus? 'Open the door to the fiddling tailor/open the door to the tailoring fiddler' etc.


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Subject: RE: tailors in folk song
From: GUEST,AR
Date: 11 May 16 - 01:30 PM

Correction - 'Fosgail an Dorus'


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