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BS: lotions potions and far out notions

Donuel 20 May 16 - 12:25 AM
BobL 20 May 16 - 03:36 AM
Joe Offer 20 May 16 - 04:16 AM
TheSnail 20 May 16 - 05:12 AM
Ed T 20 May 16 - 06:15 AM
mkebenn 20 May 16 - 08:15 AM
Donuel 20 May 16 - 04:08 PM
Joe Offer 20 May 16 - 08:29 PM
Mrrzy 20 May 16 - 08:51 PM
Donuel 22 May 16 - 03:57 AM
Amos 22 May 16 - 01:06 PM
Donuel 22 May 16 - 05:12 PM
Ed T 22 May 16 - 07:01 PM
Steve Shaw 22 May 16 - 09:48 PM
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Subject: BS: lotions potions and far out notions
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 16 - 12:25 AM

This a test to see if the new policy allows science, pseudo science and speculative deep dives into the abyssal abysmal depths of BS where only the drain bamaged dare go, without religious intimidation condemnation and alienation. In short here are some brain snacks for Steve Shaw.

As with our perceived direction of time, lets begin with the last first. Far out notions may include conscious beings who have no bounds or perceptions of time moving in only a forward direction. A species in possession of near light speed travel could slice the cosmos so that the past elsewhere is coincident with the present of their own.

So far we know that relativity will not allow us to move at the speed of light. The particle spin rate of mass is half that of particles that move at the speed of light. So all we need to do is double our spin rate.

It seems reasonable to me of the half billion species in the universe capable of space travel some may have solved the problem by turning themselves into light.

In Earthly experiments with slow light we have seen how entanglement can turn matter into half light, half matter known as Prositons. We have taken particles and separated them into spin expressions and separate massless qualities. Like the Cheshire cat the grin of matter is separate from its mass.

But suppose you are a species in a big gettyup hurry and the speed of light is too slow. Then you might have the ability to translate your chemistry into a form of virtual particles that can traverse the second form of space which allows for all points of Cartesian space to be adjacent to one another, like entangled particles that have not chosen a spin for either electron, you suddenly choose and poof you are there, instantly.

Of course being organic may be too fragile for this process so you might be a machine intelligence made of light.

I don't know about you but I miss the good old days before the universe expanded so much, you know, when normal matter vehicles could surf stretched space.

As for you light machine beings, I have one thing to say, " were you raised in a barn? its polite to knock before entering.


Next: potions


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Subject: RE: BS: lotions potions and far out notions
From: BobL
Date: 20 May 16 - 03:36 AM

Whatever have you been smoking, and where can I get some?


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Subject: RE: BS: lotions potions and far out notions
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 May 16 - 04:16 AM

I can see where this is going, Donuel, and it's not a good place. The answer, of course, is warp speed. My nephew and my brother-in-law and I once had an afternoon-long discussion of warp speed. I think I almost understood it, at least for a while.

And then my sister got mad at us for talking about something that bored her. And we had to shut up.

Better watch out, Donuel. My sister's tough, and I have scars to prove it....

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: lotions potions and far out notions
From: TheSnail
Date: 20 May 16 - 05:12 AM

Cosmic Gall
by John Updike

    Neutrinos, they are very small.
    They have no charge and have no mass
    And do not interact at all.
    The earth is just a silly ball
    To them, through which they simply pass,
    Like dustmaids down a drafty hall
    Or photons through a sheet of glass.
    They snub the most exquisite gas,
    Ignore the most substantial wall,
    Cold-shoulder steel and sounding brass,
    Insult the stallion in his stall,
    And, scorning barriers of class,
    Infiltrate you and me! Like tall
    And painless guillotines, they fall
    Down through our heads into the grass.
    At night, they enter at Nepal
    And pierce the lover and his lass
    From underneath the bed—you call
    It wonderful; I call it crass.


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Subject: RE: BS: lotions potions and far out notions
From: Ed T
Date: 20 May 16 - 06:15 AM

"Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it." 
― Terry Pratchett


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Subject: RE: BS: lotions potions and far out notions
From: mkebenn
Date: 20 May 16 - 08:15 AM

Solidly with BoBL. Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: lotions potions and far out notions
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 16 - 04:08 PM

warp speed is good,
light speed is faster,
What if you could
be light, I asked her.
"Light speed is no crime
but entangled spin
at a distance
takes absolutely no time"

How does that work?
"don/t be a jerk
its energy conservation"
hmmph
That or imagination.


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Subject: RE: BS: lotions potions and far out notions
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 May 16 - 08:29 PM

Warp Speed, while fictional, has a strong sense of credibility to it. Warp 1 is breaking the light barrier, so that's the speed of light. Warp 10 is the theoretical barrier. Beyond Warp 10, one starts to go backwards in time. So, then you get into the time-space continuum and all that, and it gets hard to know what's fact and what's fiction.
Made for some good movies and TV show, though....

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: lotions potions and far out notions
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 May 16 - 08:51 PM

Yeah, I was watching an old Trek and they hit Warp 11 and I'm like, that's not canon.

I am also reminded of the Space Child's Mother Goose - probable-possible, my black hen, she lays eggs in the relative when, she doesn't lay eggs in the positive now because she's unable to postulate how.


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Subject: RE: BS: lotions potions and far out notions
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 16 - 03:57 AM

It warms my heart to see good people come to the defense of warp speed.



As you well know I am not a genius, my IQ is 'clocked' at 70, but my curiosity quotient is 200.
The whole subject of genius is a far out notion.

Some kinds of genius is the whip smart type where equations and relationships can be computed, rendered or solved at speeds that are phenomenal.
Another kind of genius are the theorists who find new relationships that may or not be intuitive, and are capable of proving they are real.
A lesser genius in my opinion is the recombinant multi disciplinary or unusually open minded inventor who fills a necessary void.
Less rare but the heroes of science are genius' of measurement that make discoveries possible and stock the shelves with knowledge.
We tend to think of genius as innate but it is more dependent on the nurturing of talents and the perspectives learned.

The rest of us may sometimes be seduced by one kind of genius over another but with enough time a consensus of intelligence will select the best explanation.
Unintuitively, the future may effect the past but most important is that the future is primarily uncertain. For this very reason you are capable of sometimes being a genius whether you are half genius, subgenius or below average. All that would differ is the frequency of the experience.
All you need do to help your own genius along is to give yourself the freedom to accept the possibility that you could be right. Its as simple as letting your freak flag fly.
Achieving genius powers may be unlikely, but think about it. I'm sure you have seen it happen to you before.

After all, you know more than you know.
You know how to metabolize an apple and turn it into energy you then absorb and use later. Thats 20 pages of chemistry.
Beyond your autonomic self you have a cognitive unconscious that is as mysterious as it is intelligent. All too often it is not the genius idea at fault but an inability to express it.
Are you not inside this universe? Are you not a product of this universe? Anthropomorphic similarities between the universe and you are not a product of primitive egocentric thinking. You can find many fundamental truths there. Thinking with a brain that is made by the universe is bound to help you decode its mysteries. Even if your successful discoveries are just plain luck, like the lottery, you first had to buy a ticket.



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Here is my ticket , my one good idea regarding the dark energy conundrum. As simplified as it gets;


We know, thanks to Albert, that space and time, are expressions of the same thing, spacetime.
It also seems that time and gravity goes hand in hand. Another inseparable couple is of course gravity and mass.
The most extreme example of all these couples getting together and exploding, is the birth of a black hole.
The power of that explosion is second only to the theoretical big bang. That kind of explosion is called
a gamma ray burster.

We have measured these gamma ray bursters at a rate of about one a day. Everyday a new black hole is born.
Is the rate of these 'births' increasing over time?
We will not know for sure for another 5 years but I suspect it is.

What I would like to know is if the weight of a black hole is equal to everything that has ever entered its gravitational grip.
If not, is it lighter than it should be ? If there is missing mass it means something went somewhenplace ,
perhaps near the center of a black hole, a cosmic womb gives birth to another independent universe.
If its weight only grows heavier, minus the mass of its gamma ray bursts, that would mean a black hole is just a final resting place.
Womb or doom?
Which is it? I'd like to think a black hole could be a mom.
Maybe a black hole can be both????????????
Old black holes appear to grow larger while young black holes are extremely active. So do Moms but that's another story.

The ultimate question I have been asking is, "Does the fact of an ever increasing number of black holes, which behave much like elementary particles, have an intimate relationship with all of space causing space to expand with acceleration.-
In other words does the ultimate expression of gravity have an effect on the ultimate expansion of space that has started to accelerate over the last 5 billion years?
5 billion years ago the number of black holes may have crossed a critical threshold.
I suspect so, but while I can mentally see a geometry which allows this to happen I still can not explain it with any precision.

Once again (with feeling);

Does the ultimate shrinking of mass/gravity have an inverse relationship with the ultimate expansion of space/time?


The space probe Euclid will give us data that could possibly provide more clues.


So far the explanation for space expansion has been put mostly on the shoulders of dark matter, while my idea/question is an ultra obscure alternative.


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Subject: RE: BS: lotions potions and far out notions
From: Amos
Date: 22 May 16 - 01:06 PM

The issue is whether beingness is or is not the same stuff as spacetime. If not, it would have to take on the aspect of a Zeroeth power--potential able to perceive and intend but without necessary location or form.

There is no question that at least part of the unbounded potential of being is impinged upon spacetime. That's why you see all these meat-identities moving and speaking all over the planet. But I like the possibility that this is just a tendril -- the tippy tip of a vine peeking in from some other garden altogether, where boundless creativity and curiosity reign and "mechanical intelligence" is some kind of joke.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: lotions potions and far out notions
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 16 - 05:12 PM

Look buddy if you're going to talk to me that way you damn well better offer me a joint first.

Excellent organic BS

Meat puppets , oceans and mountains are all just the leaves of the great tree in which the branches and trunk, invisible to us, are made of fractional particles of what we call dark matter.

When we look with all the EM frequencies we know, from my perspective the universe still looks like connective tissue or neuronal connections where stars a billion times larger than our sun are like organelle mitochondria. A perspective to see the whole all at once may require a beingness in a different space time where space is adjacent to itself at all distances simultaneously and time is unbounded by any direction or cone.

The satisfaction would be greater than the most delicious hot pocket ever devoured in the litter of all the garglesnorp multiverses.

yum


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Subject: RE: BS: lotions potions and far out notions
From: Ed T
Date: 22 May 16 - 07:01 PM

Apples+potatoes+energy 


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Subject: RE: BS: lotions potions and far out notions
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 May 16 - 09:48 PM

I do like the idea of the intelligent universe that's getting more and more intelligent as we humans advance. After all, we're not just part of the universe, we are the universe, just as much as any star or galaxy is. Just think. There could be hundreds of billions of civilisations, all advancing (apart from the ones that self-immolate). Neither they nor we are separate from the universe. A gain in intelligence is a gain for the universe. Sorry, I can't seem to shoehorn God into this...


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Subject: RE: BS: lotions potions and far out notions
From: michaelr
Date: 23 May 16 - 06:47 PM

Black holes or white - they're all pink on the inside.


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Subject: RE: BS: lotions potions and far out notions
From: Donuel
Date: 23 May 16 - 11:43 PM

You've skipped ahead to lotions.

Anyone have a good potion?


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