BS: Trump - Again

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 06:21 PM

Well I think you are wrong in that M,

Yeah, well you also think that The Trumpshit is going to usher in the Peoples' Republic of the U.S.

GHet a grip, Pharoah.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 05:38 PM

Well I think you are wrong in that M, but if you are correct it is a great pity they did not inform Mrs Clinton or keep her actions in supporting the disaster in their memory banks?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: michaelr
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 03:04 PM

IRAQ.   Well most of the "liberals" here on Mudcat were wrong on that one

No, ake, most of the liberals here correctly predicted the disastrous outcome of the invasion.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 02:12 PM

The movement stirred up by Sanders just wasn't strong enought to ge him the nomination. And if he'd gone independant and stood anyway, it wouldn't have been enough to win the vote, but would have been enough to put Trump in.

A Clinton presidency dependant upon a good contingent of Sanders inspired members and civilians is the best to hope for, which is why Sanders has called on his supporters to go for it. As also Noam Chomsky.
...................

The main danger now is that there's going to be an assumption that Trump hasn't got a chance, with the consequence that a mass of voters who don't much like Clinton will stay home in November, and that there's a surge of people who don't fancy Trump turning out to vote for him anyway, to give the establishment a fright, on the assumption there's no risk in that since there's no danger he might actually win. As was the case with a lot of the Brexit vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 11:01 AM

I don't read Republican ... conspiracy theorists, neither do I read Republican...propaganda.

Funny that, since you've got it all down & can & do repeat it verbatim & ad nauseum.

[you] have no political education concerning the aims of socialism.

Oh yes? and you know the depth and breadth of my "political education" how, precisely? Clapton preserve us from "socialists"[sic] of your ilk.

Mr Trump himself is of no real importance...

Nor was Mussolini I suppose? But the moron masses - and yourself, apparently - who would wish to see The Trumpshit in the presidency and so vote ARE a matter of vital importance.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 10:34 AM

Mr Trump himself is of no real importance, unless of course he inadvertently brings about a popular revolution against the US Establishment Party System.....and at the moment that appears unlikely due to partisan voters like yourself and most of the people here who have no political education concerning the aims of socialism.   You all had an excellent chance to break the bands in the person of Mr Sanders who would have been a viable alternative to the system and an educator in the mould of Mr Corbyn in the UK, but you all chickened out.....the fear of a social rebel like Mr Trump drove you into the embrace of a creature of the system. You may live to regret that.
Regardless of how this election turns out big changes are required in Western developed economies if we do not wish to see society crumble.
US politics is corrupt from top to bottom and will have to be repaired at some point......just hope it's not already too late.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 10:17 AM

Greg, I don't read Republican or Democrat conspiracy theorists, neither do I read Republican or Democrat propaganda.
I do have an interest in world politics and have been observing the "Clinton Dynasty" in action for many years.....don't listen to the those here who have agendas to promote, I am no idiot, nor are you.
This issue is of importance and should be debated fully, and in all her years in politics I have yet to see Mrs Clinton produce anything of substance.....or even promote anything "progressive".
Her career has been a series of disasters and bad choices, the only reason that she is still in the political picture is her financial ties to corporations and the political establishment.
Mr Obama was wrong to cite Libya as his biggest mistake, his biggest mistake was to tie himself to "Team Clinton"; they have sucked him dry and now he is bound to them with iron bands.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 09:38 AM

Mrs Clinton may or may not be guilty of serial lying

Oh and Ake- if you want to excoriate a congenital liar, you've no further to look than your hero, The Trumpshit.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 09:33 AM

Mrs Clinton is an extremely dangerous person, without scruples and an obvious threat to world peace.

Ake, you need to stop reading those Republicrap conspiracy theory Clinton-Is-The-Antichrist websites - they've been promotong "The National Bitch Hunt" since Whitewater. And you've swallowed their bullshit hook, line & sinker.

Your biased nonsense is boring and irritating at the same time.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Stu
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 04:00 AM

Thanks mkebenn and gillymor for the explantion and comments. Bit clueless here on the inner workings of the US parties despite trying to keep up!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 03:50 AM

Well, Mrs Clinton may or may not be guilty of serial lying, the evidence will be contained the the host of e mails which have been released and are yet to be released.

What she is certainly guilty of is a remarkably bad series of calls on Foreign affairs, calls which to anyone who studies politics would bar her from high office.....Firstly IRAQ.   Well most of the "liberals" here on Mudcat were wrong on that one so perhaps it can be forgiven. Secondly LIBYA. Even her president was opposed to that, but she pressed ahead and finally a weak President Obama capitulated......to save his political skin. He has since admitted it to be the worst mistake of his Presidency.
THIRDLY.... she proposed the bombing of the Assad regime when ISIS was gathering itself to set up an Islamic State in Syria and Iraq.
If Assad had indeed been removed and his Ground troops destroyed, Syria today would be an exact replica of Libya, a lawless wasteland and home to the biggest threat facing the world.
Against this threat, the great powers should be uniting, sharing security information and instigating a new chapter of co-operation in place of the cold war mentality promulgated by Mrs Clinton and her coterie.....Mr Trump is correct in this salient point.

Mrs Clinton is an extremely dangerous person, without scruples and an obvious threat to world peace. The fact that to many she appears to be the only choice available, says much about the US political system and those within it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Aug 16 - 03:35 AM

Oh, but Stone assured us that "it won't be violent - but it will be a bloodbath."

True story.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 04:48 PM

More than worrying, Kevin - appalling.

The Trumpshit & Co. are well on the way to turning the U.S. into a bannana republic.

Stone is an even bigger piece of shit than Trump - diffficult though that my be to believe - and has been since he was in grade school.

As a place to start, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Stone

Plenty more facts out there for the reading.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 02:50 PM

From a BBC report on all this: In a podcast last week, long-time Trump advisor Roger Stone said that if the election results in November don't match opinion polls, the Republican nominee should challenge the validity of the election and warned that the unrest could end in a "bloodbath".
"If there's voter fraud, this election will be illegitimate," he said. "The election of the winner will be illegitimate, we will have a constitutional crisis, widespread civil disobedience, and the government will no longer be the government."
Such upheaval may be painfully familiar to those living in the world's less established democracies. It would be uncharted territory for the United States.

Worrying stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 02:25 PM

Ake, I'm not going to engage with you. I do believe in not feeding trolls.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 12:59 PM

Our political system is fairly well regulated concerning finance Greg.

I would be obliged if you would apologise for the personal remark concerning "homophobia".    Rather out of character for you, is it not?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 12:52 PM

the odour of the US political system

Physician, heal thy own system.

NB: As opposed to the odour of homophobia?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 12:47 PM

Jeri, I didn't suggest Loudon was a supporter of Mr Trump, anymore than I am, It was the odour of the US political system which I was referring to.
Would you like to defend it? Perhaps you have a jokey video? If so the joke is definitely on you

The lack of financial regulation is shameful $400m against $90m you call that democracy?   The Party using there power to promote the candidates they want.....what hope is there for change under a system like that. I notice you did not address that either.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: gillymor
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 10:22 AM

Jeri, that is.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: gillymor
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 10:19 AM

ROTFLMAO, Geri.

HRC is not the only woman who has a chance to make history during this election year. If a wave of collective insanity sweeps over this nation and Trump wins Melania will be the first First Lady to have participated in a soft-core porn shoot. I wonder how the evangelicals are getting behind that one.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 09:57 AM

Hey Ake, here's what "your friend" Loudon Wainwright III thinks about Trump: I Had a Dream.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: gillymor
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 09:51 AM

Trump's Economic Team

Yeah, Ake, as someone very perceptively put it in another thread, "Trump is your kind of socialist."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 09:43 AM

"too late to wash the stink of Trump off the party.".....cant believe you actually wrote that Gilly!   What with the revelations regarding the Democratic Party rigging the nomination election.

As my friend Loudon W 3 says, both Parties stink higher than a dead skunk in the middle of the road!

Do you really believe what they say? At least we in the UK know that our politicians are by and large corrupt......

"If any arise to tell this truth,
They kill them...unforgiven."..........The People

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 09:37 AM

Wake up, Clueless Ake (some hope)- The Trumpshit IS a corporation in himself and the poster boy for corporatism.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 09:34 AM

Just been looking at Mrs Clintons largest financial backers.

Saban Capital.....$10m
Pritzer............$8m
Soros FM............$7m
Paloma Group........$9m
Renaicance..........$10m

Huge number of smaller corporations......and Unions(nudge nudge) :0),
all contribution $millions.

Mr Trumps Campaign seems to be mainly self funded with a large number of individual contributions.


Oh no!! Hillary the Hawk is not in the pockets of the Corporations and we can look forward to some nice equality policies....not.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 09:32 AM

Funy you should mention the KKK's David Duke in conjunction with The Trumpshit......

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: gillymor
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 09:23 AM

The answer is yes,Stu, but it would be very difficult according to this article from The Daily Beast. From the article:

"The Republican Party rules states that "the Republican National Committee is hereby authorized and empowered to fill any and all vacancies which may occur by reason of death, declination, or otherwise of the Republican candidate for President of the United States or the Republican candidate for Vice President of the United States." They could do this by calling a new convention, or, more likely, casting votes remotely."

I guess "otherwise" is the key word. One thing this article doesn't seem to indicate, which I've read elsewhere, is that the RNC doesn't need to poll all the delegates again just to take a vote among it's 168 members. It's probably too late to dump him and have their slim chance at the presidency and too late to wash the stink of Trump off the party.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: mkebenn
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 08:21 AM

Yes, Stu, they did it to David Duke in his run for the LA house, but he won anyway. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Stu
Date: 06 Aug 16 - 05:17 AM

Can anyone answer my question: Can the Repuplicans deselect Trump if they wanted to?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 08:24 PM

Greg I have to smile that you are consistently the 'good and angry guy'.
That is far better than the threatening guy.

we all mellow except when we come face to face with active fascism.
The intelligent are its first victims.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 06:43 PM

And you don't have many more intelligent, honourable and consistent opponents of capitalism than him.

Amen, Kevin - Ake notwithstanding.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 06:40 PM

I note that Noam Chomsky has recommended voting for Hillary in any swing state. And you don't have many more intelligent, honourable and consistent opponents of capitalism than him.

Mind, I don't think that talk about swing states in this election is too wise. There are too many variables which could mean states seen as predictably Red or Blue might turn out to confound the pundits.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 05:56 PM

We are not lunatics collectively

Perhaps not, but a majority of The Trumpshit's supporters are most certainly lunatics (and worse) individually.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 01:53 PM

Sites that anthologize Trumpisms:

http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/08/trump-time-capsule-70-an-unwitting-agent-of-the-russian-federation/494705/

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/donald-trump-speech-debates-and-campaign-quotes-1.11206532

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 01:37 PM

Limited time only

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all profits go to schools. Trust me!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 01:22 PM

Each of us express ourselves and what we think we know.

We are not lunatics collectively
We are not morons.
We are not all liars or stellar students.

There is a reason that some of us think we are all or "they are all" morons.

By the grace of what education is afforded us, here we are.

The fragility of the human spirit to suggestion be it for evil greed or honest public service, is exactly the same as our benefit by placebo and hypnosis. Its close to 50-50.

Each of us have the capacity to find a kind of kinship with our polar opposites.


Lighten up
Brighten up
Enlighten up
or just light up

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 12:10 PM

Not such a good argument Ake. In fact, not an argument at all.

Agreed. Simply sheer lunacy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 10:40 AM

edit. revenge and exaggeration...
edit. we only assume which choice is best in a world...


My father always studied both sides of an issue and the people behind those issues and how and why they thought that way.

If you do not know how your opponent thinks and why, you would make a very poor opponent yourself.


For many Trump supporters what takes the place of a college education is the drudge report, prison nation, glen beck, britebart and conservative conspiracy theory websites. They have been successful numerous times. Acorn, selling fetuses, the UN is attacking Texas....

The aim is not to be true but to make a base believe.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Stu
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 10:15 AM

"I think it is shame which makes you all look for a scapegoat."

Not such a good argument Ake. In fact, not an argument at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 10:11 AM

Go for it Ake,
this discussion can not exist without you.

Trump as the ultimate scape goat would unite the country against him in unison. But that is not going to happen.
Goats do not scape themselves. Condemning the devil can be done by anyone from a suicide bomber to Obama to the Pope. Its all up to a learned, accepted or invented point of view.

For Ake trump represents a unique kind of truth teller while you may see trumpism as a total lie obeying only two rules residing in an empty shell of a man. Those two rules are revenge an exaggeration is salesmanship that works.

Everyone should know that the lessor of two evils is still evil. We should then consider which choice is less lethal.

We only assume which choice that will be in a world replete with disasters and endless revenge and beauty.





Trump for us sickens, and for others, thickens the hide and pride of an empty empathy free life.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 09:51 AM

More disingenuousness from Akenaton.

Disingenuousness??? Its sheer lunacy. He seems to be spiralling downward by the hour.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: mkebenn
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 08:29 AM

Trump as scapegoat? Come on, Ake. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Charmion
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 08:27 AM

More disingenuousness from Akenaton.

Mrs Clinton has her faults (as do we all), but she clearly understands threats and risks, and takes her responsibilities seriously. She has never been heard to speculate about using "nukes" on anybody, let alone ISIS, as Mr Trump has recently done.

As a citizen and resident of Canada, a nation so tightly tied to the United States that our foreign policy is inextricably bound to theirs, I am frankly scared of Donald Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 05:09 AM

and the fault lies not at Mr Trumps door, but at the doors of all the so called leftists who held their noses and failed to support Mr Sanders.

I think it is shame which makes you all look for a scapegoat.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Aug 16 - 05:05 AM

A little perspective please. Mr Trump is no more of a danger to the Capitalist System than Mrs Clinton.

The only real chance to change has been bought off by the Democratic party.
Sleep easy children.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Aug 16 - 06:04 PM

Make that armed racists and gun nuts, plus morons, Kevin.

A worrying situation, indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Aug 16 - 05:24 PM

"The fact that he has already suggested that "vote rigging" will take place in November would make me think he intends to go the course. However the "vote rigging" will be an excuse for his failure to be elected."(Raggytash)

Which is a worrying thought. In other countries that kind of situation has been the spark of major disorder, even coups. And the presence of racists and armed gun nuts among those who'd be rejecting the outcome of the election would be particularly worrying.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Aug 16 - 02:59 PM

The Trumpshit isn't scary. He's just an ignorant, racist, misogynistic buffoon.

The brain-damaged assholes who support and will vote for him ARE scary.

We have raised up a nation of morons.

(Thanks for all those edjacashun budget cuts starting with Reagan, Republicraps)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Aug 16 - 02:38 PM

Trump doesn't have enough respect for the truth to lie. He's a promoter. His specialty is B***S***. He will argue whatever is convenient to argue in his immediate environment, but this has no relevance on his next statement in his next environment. He is like Rush Limbaugh in this regard.
Ref: Harry Frankfurt, Princeton University Press

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - Again
From: CupOfTea
Date: 04 Aug 16 - 02:26 PM

My friend Steve offered to try to scare me out of a case of hiccups. I didn't think it would work. Then he said:

"President Trump"

Scared me entire, hiccups died away.

This is prime time to be missing 'Spaw.