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BS: Labour party discussion

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Teribus 26 Oct 16 - 04:18 AM
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Keith A of Hertford 26 Oct 16 - 06:38 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 04:09 PM

Do yu really need any more evidence than this to prove the link between the Israeli regime and accusations of antisemitism aimed at a party whose record of anti racism and anti sectarianism is to tarlly unblemished?
Murphy - Garrard -Friends of Israel - with a bit of financial iffiness thrown in for good measure
Reads like an Edwina Curry novel!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 07:10 PM

PLEASE tell me you don't read Edwina Currie novels, Jim...😳🔫


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 07:25 PM

"PLEASE tell me you don't read Edwina Currie novels, Jim"
Nope - nary a page Stage - but there again - I've never seen 'The Sound of Music either.
She broke my heart when she ran off with Major Major - I never forgave her - the hussy!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 07:27 PM

Steve of course - shouldn't have had that last bottle of Bishops Finger
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 09:05 PM

Ah Jaysus, Jim, I know what it's like. It's the missus's birthday today and, though we're not supposed to drink Tuesdays, well what can you do. Been addled all day since the large glass of white I reluctantly forced down at lunchtime. I'll never learn. Just can't take booze any time before seven in the evening any more. Which will probably save me life...


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 16 - 09:14 PM

"She broke my heart when she ran off with Major Major - I never forgave her - the hussy!!"

Did you see that episode of some celebrity cooking show she did with Gordon Ramsay? After she'd made a hash of some dish she was cooking, Ramsey whipped round and shouted at Edwina "You shagged our prime minister and now you're trying to shag me from behind!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 03:49 AM

" "You shagged our prime minister and now you're trying to shag me from behind!""
Stop it - stop it - stop it.... I will not listen to all this dirty talk!!!!
You're talking about the woman I........
Off to see the latest Ken Loach in Dublin
Final thought.
Isn't it interesting how our our resident flag-wagger, who has busted a gut defending very crime carried out by the British Great and Good - even to the extent of describing vile antisemitic poetry:

(11) Anti-Semitic poem distributed by the Right Club in 1939.

Land of dope and Jewry
Land that once was free
All the Jew boys praise thee
Whilst they plunder thee

Poorer still and poorer
Grow thy true-born sons
Faster still and faster
They're sent to feed the guns.

Land of Jewish finance
Fooled by Jewish lies
In press and books and movies
While our birthright dies

Longer still and longer
Is the rope they get
But - by the God of battles
'Twill serve to hang them yet.

....written by a member of the House of Lords just prior to the Jewish People being sent to the Nazi Gas Chambers in their millions - describing it as "Harmless as the theme Song from Dad's Army", is more than happy to put the same effort into to defend a foreign power's attempts to undermine a democratically elected British political party
Quislings eh - who'd have 'em?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 04:18 AM

A yes "The Right Club", that terribly important and influential political driving force in British politics.

Distributing poems eh?

Population of the UK in 1939 was approximately 46.5 million people

The Right Club formed in May 1939 and made illegal and disbanded in May 1940 had at it's peak 235 members in total WOW! Ever heard of a thing called perspective?

As a percentage goes that is less than the numbers of Labour Party members suspended or under investigation for "anti-Semitism" - You know Jim the number you and your pals refer to as a minute and insignificant minority.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 04:51 AM

"A yes "The Right Club", that terribly important and influential political driving force in British politics."
Oh - spreading antisemitism is fine as long as it's only circulated among the good and the great??
I've given you an example of that antisemitism - you have refused to give me an example of yours
Keith, in fact, blamed "the Jews" for refusing to reveal it.
Pathetic as ever
Incidentally, the author of th poem, Archibald Ramsey allowed to return to Parliament after the war and his first act was to attempt to introduce antisemitic laws

"Ramsay continued occasionally to put down written Parliamentary questions from jail, sometimes taking up the cases of fellow 18B internees. His eldest son Alec, serving in the Scots Guards, died of pneumonia on active service in South Africa in August 1943. Ramsay was finally released from detention on 26 September 1944, being one of the last few 18B detainees. He immediately returned to Westminster to resume his seat in the Commons, causing at least one member to storm out of the chamber. His only significant action in the remainder of the Parliament was a motion calling for the reinstatement of the 1275 Statute of the Jewry passed under King Edward I. He did not defend his seat in the 1945 general election."
ARCHIBALD MAULE RAMSEY
There is still a site deifying this man accessible on the web.
" 235 members in total
One of whom included Arthur Wellesley, 5th Duke of Wellington, who was still cursing "The Yids" on his deathbed.
Your little trio really is a clique of double-standard Antisemitism appeasers, isn't it.
You people are every bit as antisemitic as these people - "hermeless antisemitism" my arse
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 05:13 AM

They were "insignificant enough" to have attempted to form an emergency Government for when "Herr Hitler" won the war - Lords, MPs and industrialists
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 06:38 AM

Nobody apart from "ordinary" Jew-hater Keith and his two fiends have ever questioned The Jewish Homeland

Then why did you put that up as a reason for Hunt's views to be dismissed out of hand Jim, and what is wrong with being a member of Friends of Israel and objecting to the boycott?

You call me, "ordinary Jew-hater Keith." which is a nasty bit of name calling and personal attack.
I remind you that it was you you produced video, probably spurious but purported to show ordinary Jews behaving despicably.
Asked why, you said to show what is going on in Israel, as if despicable behaviour is normal for Israeli Jews.
Is that your view Jim?


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: bobad
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 07:33 AM

Don't bother Keith, he's obviously a sick and twisted little man, more to be pitied than argued with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 10:38 AM

Let's see his explanation for posting videos intended to demonize ordinary Jews.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 11:39 AM

Let's see if we got this right Jim.

In the Labour Party for every 12,000 members one has been suspended and accused of making "anti-Semitic" statements or acting in an unacceptable "anti-Semitic" manner.

In 1939 one in every 197,872 people would be a member of "The Right Party" holding "anti-Semitic" views.

Now that in make-up means that the Labour Party is 16 times more "anti-Semitic" than "The Right Party".


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 01:39 PM

Bit of a double standard, Keith, when you get all sanctimonious about alleged personal attacks on you yet stand by in silence when your bosom-buddy indulges in much worse behaviour.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Oct 16 - 01:50 PM

Bit of silliness there, Teribus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 01:54 PM

In the Richmond Park by-election, Labour lost its deposit with fewer votes than they have actual members there!
What are they doing wrong that even their members will not vote for them?


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 03:01 PM

Two things. Central Office was a bit stupid to put up a candidate. It's a good bet that hundreds or thousands of Labour members in Richmond voted tactically in order to get rid of the scumbag Trust Fund Kid. That's what I would have done, no messing. The candidate is an excellent man of great integrity. I feel that we'll be seeing him again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 04:13 AM

Richmond Park is in one one of the wealthiest and most privileged parts of Britain and would have most to lose from a victory by a Labour Party with decent principles, so the only surprise would have been so see Labour advance in any way there.   
Of course this vote was about the new runway - yo only have to spend four minutes (the length of the time gap between passing planes) to realise that.
This proposed runway is a fine example of the disinterest this Government has for the health and comfort of those they govern - profit before people, every time.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 05:28 AM

Well you say that, Jim, but all three main candidates were against the runway. The LibDems successfully turned it into an anti-Zac anti-Brexit vote.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 05:49 AM

"Well you say that, Jim,"
Take your word for it Steve - but having Lived in West London, not ar from Richmond, and having worked in Richmond, Twickenham, Hounslow.... and many of the places effected by the already over exposed pollution from aircraft noise, I find it unlikely that the proposed runway had no effect
Voters tend to respond to what the government is actually doing rather than what the candidate is promising to do.
I've just been listening to a discussion on the Italian result, and I think it's indisputable that the issues on these elections are far wider than the main one, as far as the voters are concerned - an opportunity to express discontent on many, rather than the one on the card.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 06:27 AM

Well my lad and his family live in Richmond (I once lived in Barnes for 18 months and did my degree at plane-afflicted Imperial College). The residents tend to accept the plane noise with equanimity on the whole but I imagine the majority are ardently opposed to the runway and accompanying environmental devastation. As such, a vote for Goldsmith is a vote for the Tories is a vote for the runway, in spite of his personal opposition. You could hardly see the spoilt racist politics-for-recreation brat siding with anyone else, could you? Not fussy, those Tories, are they? Anything to whittle down their effective majority will do me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 07:01 AM

"Anything to whittle down their effective majority will do me."
And me
Happy to accept what you say Steve - I left West London in 1998.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 04:11 AM

It appears that people are now voting according to their Brexit position and not for parties.
In England and Wales that will be very harmful for Labour, and they have almost no presence in Scotland anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 04:22 AM

Last week,
"Midland Labour MP Tom Watson has delivered a blunt and unambiguous condemnation of anti-Semitism, and said Labour supports the state of Israel.
The Labour Deputy Leader said he was ashamed that there had been suggestions of anti-Semitism within his party, and admitted people were "right" to be "understandably frustrated" that the party had not dealt with the problem quickly enough.
He backed a two-state solution in the Middle East, which would mean Israel existing alongside an independent Palestinian state.
And he condemned the "boycott, divestment, sanctions" (BDS) movement, which calls for a boycott of Israeli-made products as well as contact with Israeli academics."

"He told his audience: "Let me say something before we get any further today about taking on anti-Semitism in the Labour Party: that's a moral responsibility. I am ashamed that I am saying anti-Semitism and Labour in the same sentence.
"But dealing with it can't be something we do for show, for the sake of it, because we've come under media pressure, or because we need to deal with a political problem. It's a commandment.
"I know that people here are understandably frustrated by how long it's taking the Labour Party to deal with anti-Semitism in our midst. You're right to be. It should have been quicker.
"I know there are still some outstanding issues that cannot be ignored. They won't be ignored. Action is being taken now and if, God forbid, we find these problems again, action will be quicker in the future.""
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/tom-watson-labour-opposes-anti-12248217


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 04:44 AM

Backto the same old same old unproved antisemitism by the same old same old people who have yet to describe the antisemitism and the people involved
Can we assume that the 'Jewish conspiracy' you described, that has bound the so-called victims of this antisemitism to silemce is still operational?
Ed Milliband - wouldn't he be one of those people who is still tying to unseat the leader of the Labour Party and returnn to being King of the castle again?
B.D.S. must be beginning to bite!!
LABOUR DELEGATION in ISRAEL Jerusalem Post 6th December
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 04:56 AM

He is the elected deputy leader of the Party Jim.
He knows more about the Party than even you and Steve.

" and said Labour supports the state of Israel."

"And he condemned the "boycott, divestment, sanctions" (BDS) movement,"

"I know that people here are understandably frustrated by how long it's taking the Labour Party to deal with anti-Semitism in our midst. You're right to be. It should have been quicker."


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 04:59 AM

Tom Watson is a complete twat who has done more to deliberately undermine Corbyn than almost anyone else. That's the man's mission. He doesn't give a toss about "antisemitism." He's doing his damndest to use it to try to weaken Corbyn, who he hates and is obsessively trying to get rid of.

"It appears that people are now voting according to their Brexit position and not for parties."

Classic weasel words. Where's your evidence? What people? All people? Some people? One or two people? A couple of your racist mates down the pub?


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 05:45 AM

My autocorrect "corrected" damnedest four times before I finally thought I'd defeated it and sent the post. I was wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 06:47 AM

"He is the elected deputy leader of the Party Jim."
Ed Milliband
"In June 2014, while speaking to the Labour Friends of Israel, Miliband stated that if he became Prime Minister he would seek "closer ties" with Israel and opposed the boycott of Israeli goods,"
Wiki
C'mon Keith
Six weeks after Corbyn announces his support for B.D.S. labour is swamped by a totally unprecedented accusations of Antisemitism.
No actual cases of anti-Semitism were ecer cites ? only criticism of Israeli policy.
The accusations fade
Around three weeks after a delegation led by arch ? Israeli supporter, Tom Watson, Vice Cairman of Labour's Friends of Israel, return from a visit to Israel, those attacks are renewed.
Immediately, Mudcat's own Israeli arch atrocity denier reopens a thread attacking the Labour Party.
There seems to be a nasty dose of H.M.V. (His Master's Voice') doing the rounds.
I hope you have no problem in converting your thirty Shekels of silver into Sterling for selling out democratically elected British politicians?
Even Israeli newspaper hHaaretz has managed to make the link between these accusations and Israel
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 07:08 AM

Classic weasel words. Where's your evidence? What people? All people? Some people? One or two people? A couple of your racist mates down the pub?

I have no racist mates Steve.
The opinion was expressed by various people on Marr and/or Peston on Sunday.
If you want names I will flick through them again.

In Richmond Park, Labour supporters voted Lib Dem because of views on Brexit.
BBC,
"And it saw Labour's vote fall dramatically, with the Lib Dems taking the credit for scooping up their supporters.
But it is the claim by the victor Sarah Olney that the result is a verdict on Brexit that is most worthy of examination, because it goes to the heart of the schism that has been driven into British politics this year. She said she would vote against triggering Article 50 - the process to take Britain out of the EU. "

"The Lib Dem leader Tim Farron said the result was "historic" and a verdict on a so-called "hard" Brexit - taking the UK out of the single market."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38184503


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 07:12 AM

Tom Watson is the Deputy Leader, and he was voted into that office by the membership.
It is many days since he made that speech, and no-one from the Party has refuted his statements.

"Labour supports the state of Israel."

"And he condemned the "boycott, divestment, sanctions" (BDS) movement,"

"I know that people here are understandably frustrated by how long it's taking the Labour Party to deal with anti-Semitism in our midst. You're right to be. It should have been quicker."


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 07:26 AM

Please get this into your skull once and for all, Keith. Many Labour voters in no-chance constituencies VOTE TACTICALLY. I have voted LibDem in the last six general elections even though I bloody hate the LibDems. Why? Because I hate the Tories more and will do everything I can to stop a Tory from getting in in North Cornwall, and Labour haven't got a cat in hell's chance here. Many Labour members will have voted LibDem in Richmond because the Goldsmith twat-and-a-half is a very nasty, spiteful man, a bloody Tory to the core and a racist thug at that with a vile record of trying to demonise the Labour mayoral candidate in London. Labour were never going to get in but the Richmond members wanted to make bloody sure he didn't either. Still, carry on, Keith, trying to prove that the Richmond poll shows a collapse in Labour support. Go on, give us your evidence. Alternatively just stop your wishful-thinking-I-make-stuff-up-as-I-go-along nonsense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 07:31 AM

"Tom Watson is the Deputy Leader, and he was voted into that office by the membership."
Tom Watson is vice Chairman of The Friends of Israel and has just come back from leading a visit to Israel
What speech, the piece I quoted was referring to Ed Milliband which was referring to two years ago.
You still have not provided a single scrap of evidence to these accusations of antisemitism other than criticism of israeli policy.
You are a persistent quisling Keith - betraying the elected members of a British Party with a century old reputation for anti-racism of any form to an extremist right wing foreign power.
"Israel calling - Israel calling"
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 07:46 AM

Peston, 17 minutes in showed a screen chart about allegiance to Party and Brexit.
Preston, "on this issue of the importance of how you voted, remain or leave, and whether that now trumps party political allegiance"

It is not just me making shit up.
I do not do that Steve.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 07:50 AM

You still have not provided a single scrap of evidence to these accusations of antisemitism other than criticism of israeli policy.

Yes I have Jim.
I have quoted Khan who is no particular friend of Israel deploring it, and the entire NEC deploring it.

Miliband has been gone since losing the 2015 election.
Tom Watson is the current Deputy Leader, and he was voted into that office by the membership.
It is many days since he made that speech, and no-one from the Party has refuted his statements.

"Labour supports the state of Israel."

"And he condemned the "boycott, divestment, sanctions" (BDS) movement,"

"I know that people here are understandably frustrated by how long it's taking the Labour Party to deal with anti-Semitism in our midst. You're right to be. It should have been quicker."


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 08:01 AM

Steve Shaw - 05 Dec 16 - 05:28 AM

Well you say that, Jim, but all three main candidates were against the runway. The LibDems successfully turned it into an anti-Zac anti-Brexit vote.


And here Keith A seems to be agreeing with you:

Keith A of Hertford - 06 Dec 16 - 04:11 AM

It appears that people are now voting according to their Brexit position and not for parties.


What was the Lib-Dem stance on the EU Referendum again Steve? Yet Keith A's statement agreeing with you are:

Steve Shaw - 06 Dec 16 - 04:59 AM

"Classic weasel words. Where's your evidence? What people? All people? Some people? One or two people? A couple of your racist mates down the pub?"


I could not care less whether or not Tom Watson is a "twat" (Your chosen description) or not but, because of his position within the Labour Party, he undeniably knows more about the inner workings and status of the Labour Party than a former sandal wearing NUT union activist in Cornwall and an Anglophobic, wannabe Irishman living in County Clare.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 08:46 AM

"I have quoted Khan who is no particular friend of Israel deploring it,"
Deploring it is no evidence that it exists - until you provide examples of it, it doesn't exist - no substantiation - no antisemitism - simple as that - basic British justice, if nothing else.
There is a struggle between the right and left of the Labour party, Sadiq Khan is an opponent of Crobyn and says Labour cannot wing under his leadership.
"Miliband has been gone since losing the 2015 election."
As leader - he remainsd one of the Old Guard of the right and an opponent of B.D.S.
If he is unimportant, why quote him?
Make up your mind laddie.
Tom Watson is still an enthusiastic supporter of the Israeli regime, the Vice Chariman of 'Friends of Israel, he is politically opposed to Corbyn and he has just returned from heading a delegation to Israel - lo - he reopens his attack on Corbyn with no fresh evidence of what form what this antisemitm is supposed to be, accusing him of not acting on it - four coincidences all rolled into one - a little too many to swallow, even for you... maybe not!!
"a former sandal wearing NUT union activist in Cornwall and an Anglophobic, wannabe Irishman living in County Clare"
A bit of Little Englander parochialism thrown in this time.
Thanks for helping me make up my mind - will start assembling a year's worth of your abusive behaviour - though it may take a little time
Meanwhile, back to the few days worth.
Jim Carroll

A reminder
"every time you mention the name Woodcock I know I've got through to you and you are getting rattled.""
It will remind everyone that you are truly clueless and gormless to an astounding degree.
"Got the point now Shaw"
Probably because Carroll
Really Carroll
Keep floundering about Carroll
So all in all Christmas
For JOM:
Christmas
No need for reminders JOM I have nothing but the utmost contempt for you and everything you stand for. Not many humans wander this planet without one single redeeming feature - you seem to have managed that without even trying.
The Truth according to JOM - thick as shit and proud of it
I will repeat IT YET AGAIN FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE AMONG US WHO ARE TOO BLOODY THICK TO UNDERSTAND PLAIN ENGLISH (i.e. YOU RAGGY)
"complete and utter buffoon"
"That by the way THICKO "
"clueless ignoramus of truly astounding degree"
"Carroll"
"Have you found an echo JOM?"
Or have you always wandered through life making a complete and utter JOM-like CUNT of yourself?
Carroll
"Here is a link for you Jom:"
"By the way JOM"
"how boastful a man can get doesn't it JOM?"
"Don't worry JOM"


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 09:49 AM

These are selections of Teribus's contemptuously appalling behaviour towards those who disagree with him, all taken from one thread "To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit", dating from 2nd of June to 12th of September.
Several of his postings contain up to half a dozen examples of insulting behavior
One of the conditions of membership of this forum "You are free to be anything you want EXCEPT unkind, impolite, argumentative or snooty."
We all get rattled on occasion, some time ago, Joe Offer sensibly suggested that we should act like adults and stop calling each other silly names ? most of us have tried, Teribus continues his appalling behaviour, making it virtually impossible not to react in kind to it.
If these discussions are to be of any value whatever, I feel there needs to be a cut-off point as to when a member is prevented in serially behaving in this way ? as far as I am concerned, that point was reached a long time ago.
Until he stops behaving in this arrogant and bullying manner, I will continue selecting examples of his appalling behaviour until he either stops of his own free will or is stopped I will continue selecting topics an providing examples.
It really is devaluing the quality of this great forum ? let's stop it now.
Jim Carroll

Idiotic argument Shaw and you know it
Don't worry Jom, we both know that it is just more of your "Made-Up-Shit
Unfortunately though Jom,
Reality check for you Jom:
How many pieces will the Labour Party be in by then Shaw?
Let's rip this clichéd little exercise in leftist rhetoric apart shall we:
At one point Jom - WOW - Is it fun living in your time warp Jom?
Missed the point again Jom,
On points Jom, you have completely missed the point that was being made
But Jom you are talking "individuals" your little bleat
Just how have we closed the door Jom?
Jom says that this is
Correction Jom
Well Shaw, as ever you don't let the facts stand in your way, glossing over the utterly dire state of the nation
A new all time low even for Jim Carroll.
Now I have opened those three sentences out, just in case Jom doesn't know what a sentence is
You didn't say Jom
Unfortunately Jom
Well well Jom,
As for your post - Steve Shaw?. Put that to music and you'd have a song that would top the "Country & Western" charts in next to no time
I have drawn Jom's attention
Good heavens Jom it must have taken you at least half-an-hour to wipe down and dry out the screen and keyboard after that spittle-flecked tirade of yours.
Naw too much fun just letting you contradict yourself Jom.
Well Jom how about you banging on about how wrong those are who advocate
There is also the likes of you and Carroll
About the daftest statement I think I have ever read - not surprising really considering who wrote it
How the hell do you think he became an MEP you Prat
Ah more twaddle from Jom:
"THE F**KER WHO FEEDS THEM - YOU HALFWIT PRAT."
"Only to a wanker like you Shaw."
"Oh and please, please, please let just one of you clowns chirp up... as I will paint the room with you.
Carroll
Rap and the "kipper" haven't cottoned on to.
Nothing whatsoever to say then Jom? Just the empty beating of your gums.
You're using your "tell" that lets me know that I am really niggling you Shaw.
By the bye Shaw
Don't think so Shaw,
Still nothing to say then Jom?
By the way Jom thanks for the PM - as a spit-flecked rant it is quite an amusing bit of pointless froth - any time I want a good laugh I dare say I'll open it up and read it.
Ehmmm Carroll
Very true Shaw, I
from Eastern Europe Jom?
Depending upon who things are classified Shaw.
Only problem with all of that Shaw
Tell me Shaw
"our" democratic system hasn't failed Jom


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 09:53 AM

Now Teribus. Until 2010 Richmond was a solid LibDem seat. There is a very large LibDem contingent among the Richmond electorate. Richmond voted overwhelmingly to remain (are you following so far?). The LibDems' policy is to oppose Brexit (keeping up, are we?). Now let's get just a tad more imaginative. Zac Goldsmith is a Eurosceptic right-wing Tory. Zac tried to make a Big Thing of the runway by resigning and making it a by-election issue. But he couldn't do that because the other candidates WERE JUST AS AGAINST IT AS HE WAS, AND, MOREOVER, WERE NOT BREXITEERS NOR HAD THEY SMEARED THE LABOUR CANDIDATE IN THE MAYORAL ELECTION. In other words, he screwed up. Zac did bad things that do not go down well with the liberal-minded and articulate electorate of Richmond. Get it? One big thing has changed since Goldsmith was elected by an overwhelmingly Remain constituency (which didn't matter much then as no-one expected that we should be in the parlous state we're in now). But it matters now.

So.

CANDIDATE ONE: Tory nouveau-riche multimillionaire golden boy, against the EU, bad record of racist comments, anti-runway. CANDIDATE TWO: local woman who understands local issues, LibDem, pro-EU, clean as a whistle, anti-runway. CANDIDATE THREE:   Labour man, should never have stood, in danger of splitting the vote, very decent man, pro-EU, anti-runway. CONSTITUENCY'S ELECTORATE: traditionally liberal, overwhelmingly pro-EU, not stupid, anti-runway.

Do spend a little minute with that lot under your belt working out what happened in Richmond. And Keith does not agree with me. Keith has reopened this thread as part of his bigoted anti-Labour mission. He jumps opportunistically on some remark made by one of the leading lights in the party who wants to undermine Corbyn. Keith is insinuating that Labour's vote collapsed on Richmond because Labour is a bunch of antisemitic twats. Keith has clearly never heard of tactical voting. Keith is clueless and you know it. At least I hope you do. You should by now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 10:09 AM

Jim,
Deploring it is no evidence that it exists

Yes it is.
They deplored and were appalled by anti Semitism within Labour.
If it did not exist, how could they be appalled by it?
How could they deplore something that does not exist?


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 10:15 AM

Steve,
He jumps opportunistically on some remark made by one of the leading lights in the party who wants to undermine Corbyn. Keith is insinuating that Labour's vote collapsed on Richmond because Labour is a bunch of antisemitic twats. Keith has clearly never heard of tactical voting. Keith is clueless and you know it

Of course I have heard of tactical voting.
I stated, "It appears that people are now voting according to their Brexit position and not for parties."

Not my opinion. I got it from watching Peston and reading BBC news site.
You replied,
"Classic weasel words. Where's your evidence? What people? All people? Some people? One or two people? A couple of your racist mates down the pub? "

You were wrong to attack me like that.
Why are you always so angry and abusive?
Is it frustration at always being proved wrong?


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 11:03 AM

"Yes it is."
No it isn't Keith - all it proves is somebody has made an accusation.
Without proof and without examples, it remains an accusation - sort of like all those charges not made against suspects who have been sent to Guantanamo for interminable periods for.
You accused the Jews in Parliament of covering up antisemitism for the sake of the party.
That is the only antisemitism that has been proved on this subject.
You are still whingeing about people insulting you, having been regularly insulting to other.
That is proof of your hypocrisy
This is the sort of proof you need to provide for Labour Party antisemitism - examples.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 11:07 AM

"Not my opinion. I got it from watching Peston and reading BBC news site."

Well bugger me sideways with a bent banana if that doesn't nail it then. 😂😂😂 that's "evidence" for your sweeping statement about "people," is it? I've got better evidence than that for fairies at the bottom of my garden. It was a BY-ELECTION, Keith. Precipitated by a Tory idiot. Geddit? Not normal! Extrapolate ye not!


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 12:59 PM

Jim,
No it isn't Keith - all it proves is somebody has made an accusation.

Wrong. It shows that Khan and the NEC were aware of the anti Semitism.
They did not deplore accusations, and were not appalled by accusations.
They deplored and were appalled by the anti Semitism.
It exists.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 01:01 PM

As Jim Carroll continues to occupy thread space with his "Reminder List" - to show appalling behaviour - he fails to mention that he was the first person ever to refer to himself as Jom. If you want Jim I will quote verbatim the post where you did this. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Jim Carroll of course has always referred to me as Teribus, never calling myself or others names and accusing them of all sorts of things - And if you believe that - you'll believe anything - True Jim?


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 01:03 PM

Steve, save your abuse for Peston who did a whole piece on it, with charts on "screenie."
But what does he know about politics compared to you?
Right Steve?


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 01:21 PM

"first person ever to refer to himself as Jom. "
And you petty minded lying behaviour fails to mention that I have mentioned it and explained it was a typo -
Your lack of imagination made you seize on it as you were unable to think of anything original yourself
You have been asked to curb your behaviour and should you continue, I will put up another thread's worth when I get time
Grow up for Chriust sake - you're supposed to be an adult.
Keith
Your obsessive behaviour is now disturbing.
No examples of genuine antisemitism have ever been produced.
Virtually all accusations have come from supporters of Israel or political opponents of Corbyn.
All accusations have been criticisms of Israel
These attacks started within two months of Corbyn announcing support for B.D.S.
This second tranche re-started when the delegation returned from Israel a couple of weeks ago.
Even Haaretz has made the connection between these accusations and Israeli policy.
I do not belive in a million years that the Jews in parliament have stayed silent on identifying the type of antisemitism for the good of the party - such an accusation is classically antisemitic - "a Jewish plot"
Unless you produce proof pesetive that antisemitism exists by naming and shaming the "antisemitism" your case is dead in the water.
It would go against any concept of justice to accuse someone of antisemitism and refuse to specify exactly what they are guilty of - the kind of justice Israel metes out to Arabs (including children)
Piss or get off the pot - you have no case.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 01:24 PM

Which of what I have listed is not true?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
From: bobad
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 01:32 PM

These attacks started within two months of Corbyn announcing support for B.D.S.

Why BDS is antisemitic


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