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Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016

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Subject: May I ask about MGM LION
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 10 Sep 16 - 01:34 PM

There has not been a post from MGM Lion in some time. I miss his wit and intelligent postings.


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Subject: RE: May I ask about MGM LION
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Sep 16 - 03:10 PM

I was wondering the same thing HiLo. I do hope he's OK. I too miss his posts.


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Subject: RE: May I ask about MGM LION
From: Megan L
Date: 10 Sep 16 - 03:22 PM

Looks like he fell of the board after the 5th July


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Subject: RE: May I ask about MGM LION
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 10 Sep 16 - 03:30 PM

Myself, and other posters, have asked this question too. I've looked on the Internet and have found nothing so far.


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Subject: RE: May I ask about MGM LION
From: gnu
Date: 10 Sep 16 - 03:50 PM

I do so hope all is well. I agree with Senoufou.


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Subject: RE: May I ask about MGM LION
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Sep 16 - 04:17 PM

michael lives in sawston in cambs uk, i think, perhaps joe offer would ring up directory enquiries, he remarried so he should be traceable


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Subject: RE: May I ask about MGM LION
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Sep 16 - 05:40 PM

I have managed eventually to contact, very sad news.
Michael had a heart attack on july 6, and died at 3 AM on 10 Sep.
I spoke to his widow who wanted everyone to know how much he had enjoyed this forum and folk music.
Michael was 84 years old, as well as being a semi professional folk musician, for 25 years he had been a teacher, and had taken early retirement and had then been The Guardian Theatre Critic.
I am sorry, but I am too upset to say any more other than Emma wanted all of us to know how much Michael had enjoyed being with us on this forum.
RIP MGM LION


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Subject: RE: May I ask about MGM LION
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 10 Sep 16 - 05:47 PM

What a terrible terrible shock for you, Mr. Miles, and the entire Mudcat community is going to feel this. And after drawing a deep breath and focusing my mind, I make bold to say:
I hope, after crossing the threshold, that Mr. Myer received the warmest of welcomes from those he held dear who went before him: the wife to whom he was long married, and the irreplaceable Peter Bellamy. It is we who are left behind who mourn, but what a long and productive life he had.


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Subject: RE: May I ask about MGM LION
From: bobad
Date: 10 Sep 16 - 05:54 PM

RIP Michael, you were one of the good ones.


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Subject: RE: May I ask about MGM LION
From: GUEST,Senoufou
Date: 10 Sep 16 - 06:06 PM

Oh no. How dreadful. I'm very shocked and saddened by this news. Thank you Good Soldier Schweik for letting us all know.
Michael was exuberant and funny, but also highly educated and intelligent. I liked his posts very much.
Sincere condolences to his family and friends. RIP Michael.


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Subject: RE: May I ask about MGM LION
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 10 Sep 16 - 06:14 PM

Very sorry to hear this news.

MGM had a special insight into the folk world.


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Subject: RE: May I ask about MGM LION
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 10 Sep 16 - 07:36 PM

I am so sad to hear this. I loved his posts and will miss him very much. a true gentle man and a great source of wisdom! I am truly sad to hear of his passing.
thank you good soldier for finding this out for us.


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Subject: RE: May I ask about MGM LION
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 10 Sep 16 - 09:16 PM

adding my condolences, I'll also miss his posts

asndra


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer MGM LION Sep 10, 2016
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Sep 16 - 09:54 PM

Thank you Dick, for following up on that. Last month I spent some time tracking through his posts and searching various places trying to find any news, but nothing turned up.

He could argue, and could be a putz at times, but overall when I spoke with him behind the scenes and when we were trying to get rid of all of the fake accounts (ca. 2011), I thoroughly enjoyed working with him. The troll made much of his first wife's death, but I think he handled it in an honorable way that reflected her wishes. I am so glad he was able to remarry and have a life again. And I am glad that someone who contributed much scholarship to the study of music was a part of Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Sep 16 - 11:15 PM

Ah, MGM. RIP


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 10 Sep 16 - 11:39 PM

My condolences to all who knew him. He will be missed.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 01:47 AM

Very, very sad. Michael was a real 'Character', very knowledgeable, and frequently very funny. I, for one, will miss his contributions very much indeed.
RIP Michael.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 02:18 AM

I'm shocked to read this. Thank you for taking the care to find this out, Dick.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Megan L
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 02:25 AM

Thank you Dick for taking the time to find out, so often people slip from this forum like the exhausted from a shipwreck slipping below the waves sadly they often go unnoticed.

Condolences to Michaels family and friends.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 02:37 AM

Thank you very much Dick for taking the trouble and making the effort, just a terrible pity that your efforts resulted in you bringing such sad news.

My sincere condolences and kindest wishes to Michael's widow and to his family and friends, of whom I would imagine he had many. A truly great loss, he was someone I had the greatest respect for and in common with others who have stated so before me I will miss his contributions to this forum.

Now over the Bar and safe in the harbour - R.I.P. Michael.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,Bloke in Groucho mask
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 02:40 AM

Only the other day, a few of us ex mudcatters who used to debate with him had a round robin email on the subject of his having been quiet lately.

His courage and conviction surrounding the rather high public profile of the death of his first wife is a matter of record and shows the man behind the persona he dealt on Mudcat. As a reviewer of folk music, he kept the genre in the public eye, especially throughout the seventies, and was a treasure trove of information.

His contributions here showed someone who stuck to his views and whilst many "crossed swords" with him, that is what debate is all about. I will always be grateful to him for providing me with background for many traditional songs and the history of them being sung in the revival.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 02:52 AM

Amen, Bloke, and very well said.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 02:54 AM

Sad news indeed.

RIP

Regards


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 03:46 AM

Thanks Dick for all your efforts.
His unique style and wisdom will be sorely missed, not least by me.
Rest easy Michael.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Will Fly
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 04:00 AM

Sad news to wake to on a bright, sunny autumn Sunday. But RIP Michael.

We agreed and disagreed on many topics over the years, but the good thing was that the nature of the dialogue always stayed the same, whether in agreement or in disagreement - measured, polite and good-humoured. I shall miss him and send my condolences to his wife and family.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 04:02 AM

Sad news indeed - I'll miss our disagreements as much as our agreements here.
Mike's contribution to folk song was a life-long one that helped pass it on and keep it alive for a large part of my lifetime - he was one of those who seems to have always been around.
Sleep easy
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 04:19 AM

I am one of the people who "crossed swords" with Michael many years ago (in a series of letters published in a long defunct folk magazine). Glad to say that we later forgot our differences. I will never forget the terrible tale, which he told to me in detail, of his first wife's tragic death. It must have been an appalling situation for them both, and it deeply affected Michael for the rest of his life.
Like many here, I also enjoyed reading Michael's many Mudcat comments, which showed his erudite nature, and I too will greatly miss reading them.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: fat B****rd
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 04:42 AM

RIP MGM. My best regards and thoughts to friends and family.
Charlie.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Monique
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 04:53 AM

RIP. My condolences for his family and friends.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: bradfordian
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 04:56 AM

Michael joins a sadly growing list of late mudcatters who have left us a small but important token of their love for and involvement with MUDCAT with 2 recordings: SPANISH LADY (on the WATER CD) & THE FARM SERVANT (on the EARTH CD)

Thank you Michael for your contribution to Mudcat and your "no holes barred" thoughtful posts. R.I.P. and condonlences to family

bradfordian


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Leadfingers
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 05:06 AM

Always enjoyed his input here - R I P !


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,Young Buchan
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 11:06 AM

An uncompromising believer that authenticity is the foundation of our music.His views will be deeply missed.

Condolences to those he leaves behind.

RIP Michael


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 11:18 AM

I wish I had rang before [although it took me about an hour to find his adress], I would like to have spoken to him before he went.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 11:53 AM

Sad to hear this, I've lost one more of the special mudcatters I genuinely admired and respected..
.. despite his most obvious silly & obnoxious tendencies.
But that's how complex people are...

We have lost significant irreplaceable knowledge and experience.....

He was a month younger than my mum,
I wish they'd met socially, she would have been slightly in awe, and liked him very much,
but also not been too shy too tell him off when required...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 01:31 PM

This is very sad news indeed. Michael was a loyal supporter of 'The Halliard' & Nic Jones. He lived not far from Nic at the time of Nic's appalling car crash. Michael knew Nic & Julia well & supported Julia over the ensuing months. Sincere condolences from myself, Nic & Dave go to Michael's Family & Friends,
                                           Nigel Paterson.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: gnu
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 01:52 PM

Awwww crap! I will miss him. RIP and thanks.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 01:58 PM

Very sad news, Dick. I echo the thanks for your efforts. He managed to disagree with nearly all of us at some point but he had an amazing breadth of knowledge and we will miss his contributions.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,Anne Neilson
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 02:41 PM

Thanks to GSS for his persistence in following this up -- and sorry that the outcome was so sad.

I didn't know MGM but appreciated his input on many threads and his great background knowledge of the early years of the Folk Revival in London.

It's important that peoples' memories are preserved as a vital resource for those who are trying to move things on to a next stage, and MGM's posts will surely prove to be a valuable reference.

Condolences to all his family.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 02:53 PM

Very sad news. Condolences to the family.
Derek Schofield


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 02:59 PM

Isn't it sad that he can't read all our messages of appreciation of him? He would have been so pleased to know how well thought-of he was.

I used to like his funny emoticons and strings of hearts etc. When he was cross he certainly let rip, but it was all part of his personality.

Oh dear it's so sad. Goodbye dear Michael.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 03:19 PM

MGM on YouTube

MGM Google search

MGM Lion posts on mudcat


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,John Moulden
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 03:41 PM

A good man and a sincere researcher, his writings were sometimes idiosyncratic but he was not afraid of admitting errors. He will be missed.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: maeve
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 05:33 PM

I liked MGM's knowledge, courage, fortitude, and tender heart. He was so very proud of both of his dearly loved wives, and grateful for them.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Sep 16 - 08:50 PM

Gosh, call me Mr Incurious, but I never delve into the private lives of people who post here or anywhere else. What I know about Michael is that he was pretty old and pretty right-wing, a man who frequently indulged in exceptionally abusive and childish behaviour here. He and I rarely saw eye-to-eye about anything below the line, hardly surprising considering his very reactionary and, to me at least, very unreasonable stance on most things.

Yeah.

However...

What a colourful bloke. Him and his daft little emoticons (which were very inventive - if only I'd had the time meself...), incredibly articulate to the point of taking flowery English to the point of self-parody, which I'm certain was deliberate. And his way of taking you to pieces with baby-talk was easily the most irritating ploy I ever experienced, including the largely vain and unimaginative efforts from far lesser people here. Begod, the man could get under my skin, and that takes some doing. Kudos to him for that!

He was right wing all right but he wasn't fascist and he definitely had a soft centre, hard to find most of the time. We need people of spirit like him in this grey, anonymous world of ours. When I think about him now I feel instinctively sweary, but, with all the affection I can muster (which is plenty), I'll settle for saying that he was a right bloody old rogue!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Sep 16 - 01:47 AM

I'll miss Michael. I really enjoyed reading his posts and hearing his stories. Years ago, Michael had ties to Sandy Paton when Sandy and Caroline were in the UK. I wish I could remember the details of the story. I recall that one learned "On Mondays I Never Go To Work" from the other -Sandy recorded it on his first album.
If anybody remembers how these two knew each other, let us know.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: theleveller
Date: 12 Sep 16 - 03:56 AM

Like Steve Shaw, I knew MGM only through his Mudcat persona. We disagreed fundamentally on just about everything but I think we both thoroughly enjoyed our little spats. And you certainly had to watch your grammar and spelling when he was around. Which has to be a good thing. I liked his spirit; I liked his erudition; I liked his complete lack of 'blandness'. Sorry to see you go, MGM.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,In good company
Date: 12 Sep 16 - 04:02 AM

I never got on with him personally but it is obvious he touched a lot of people's lives and my thoughts are with them. It is obvious he will be missed. I cannot put it any better than Steve already has.

Dave


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Sep 16 - 04:11 AM

Sorry to see you go my friend.

A "Bonny Fechter" for free speech and against tyrannies of all shades.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Howard Jones
Date: 12 Sep 16 - 04:21 AM

Sad news. Someone who made valuable contributions not only to folk music but to many other areas over a very long period, right up to the end of his life.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 12 Sep 16 - 05:30 AM

Steve Shaw has eloquently voiced my own feelings.

Sleep easy Michael.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Sep 16 - 05:56 AM

Michael was extremely knowledgeable about folk music , he had been a good performer in his day.he was also an excellent critic
He also edited folk review for many years, and loved folk music.
As I understood it from various private conversations I had with him he had been an active supporter of Harold Wilsons Labour party[ That hardly makes him right wing].
He was also a very brave person who had to deal with his first wife[Valeries] request for assisted suicide, google Valerie Grosvenor Myer


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 12 Sep 16 - 07:59 AM

Very sad news. We had a couple of arguments on here, but kept them polite and agreed to disagree when our viewpoints couldn't be reconciled.

I largely agree with what Steve Shaw said above.

I never met him in person, but I really wish I had. RIP.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 16 - 08:01 AM

so very sorry to hear this. he was a good writer and reviewer.

I went to visit him one time - and it was nice to have a civilised decent chat and break bread at the local pub.

I liked him immensely.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Sep 16 - 08:29 AM

Not knowing his actual occupation, his posts led me to assume he was a librarian. There is no higher praise that can be given. He'll be missed.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 12 Sep 16 - 08:54 AM

It was a privilege to know you Michael Grosvenor Myer


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 12 Sep 16 - 10:23 AM

Good job, well done, they're still slagging ya right to the end
(wouldn't have imagined it any different)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 12 Sep 16 - 10:35 AM

I was privileged to meet Michael when he came to Herga 5 years ago for the Blue Plate Specials "This is us" launch - and I used to read his reviews in the Guardian. I'm sorry to hear that he's no longer with us, and send sympathies to his family.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Brian Peters
Date: 12 Sep 16 - 02:45 PM

As has been said, Michael was a 'special Mudcatter'. His long life immersed in the world of folk music, and his distinguished contributions to it, gave authority to his opinions - on matters musical, at least. I never met him but in many ways liked his persona here, and I'm glad to see some of his sparring partners saying the same.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 12 Sep 16 - 05:36 PM

Just got home from the Great North Run to hear this sad news. I remember Mike from way back in the 70s and his articles for Folk Review which were always controversial but always very readable. Later on Mudcat I am pleased to say we got on very well and always seemed to agree on folk music; we did however have a few friendly disagreements on football, another subject upon which he was immensely knowledgeable. RIP MGM


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Sep 16 - 09:31 PM

Does someone have a mailing address for his wife? I think there are a number of people who would like to send cards of condolence. Send a PM if you have it and let us know you have it - no need to post it here in the forum.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Janie
Date: 13 Sep 16 - 05:56 AM

Very sad to learn of this. Deepest condolences to his wife, family and all who knew him.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 13 Sep 16 - 06:01 AM

I have only just now seen this - what a horrible, horrible shock. I am so saddened to read this news (and thank you Dick for persevering). For me, Michael was one of the bright lights, both of Mudcat and of the folk & history worlds generally. I used to email-chat with him about various things, and he was always interesting, knowledgeable, and friendly. It really is a blow. Yet one more empty glass that must be turned to the table rim-down.

Won't forget you, Michael... see ya someday... I hope...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 13 Sep 16 - 06:05 AM

PS: Acme, thank you for those wonderful links. Much appreciated.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 13 Sep 16 - 07:25 AM

To Joe Offer,

For what it is worth Joe I believe that MGM would have met Sandy Paton around 1956 at The Ballads and Blues Association Club which at that time was held at The Princess Louise in Holborn, London each Saturday evening. It was at the time when Ewan & Peggy were resident singers. It was one of the very few folk clubs in London at the time and anyone in the folk world who visited London would be drawn there. Sandy and Caroline were there very often during their stay in the UK.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Sep 16 - 07:31 AM

I have his adress.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 13 Sep 16 - 03:41 PM

A very sad loss. I have added his name to the "In Memoriam" Thread.

RIP

Peter


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Sep 16 - 10:51 PM

If anyone finds an online obituary, please post a link.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Sep 16 - 11:05 PM

Thanks, Hootenanny. That's consistent with what I recall. Can't remember whether Michael or Sandy told me - I think it was Michael, when I asked about "On Mondays I Never Go to Work."
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: gnu
Date: 14 Sep 16 - 01:03 PM

A lot of accolades/condolences on Facebook as well. He will be missed by many.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 14 Sep 16 - 01:55 PM

Oh, how sad to read this.

Much love to his family.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 15 Sep 16 - 09:06 AM

Gnu, can you (or somebody) give us a link to the Facebook-condolences page? I can't find anything through the normal searchboxes. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Sep 16 - 01:14 PM

By Andrew Alderson 10:35PM GMT 29 Nov 2008
Michael Grosvenor Myer's eyes well up and his voice trembles as he discusses the final hours of his wife's life. "If I burst into tears, take no notice," he says politely but firmly.
He takes a deep breath, regains his composure and describes how, last summer, he and his wife calmly devised a scheme for her to take her own life, yet one that meant he wouldn't face criminal charges for assisting her suicide.
Mr Grosvenor Myer had known some three years earlier that Valerie, his wife of 48 years, intended to take an overdose when her loss of dignity from Parkinson's disease became too much for her to bear.
Yet, when she suggested that he go to visit friends while she committed suicide, he rejected the idea saying he did not feel "comfortable" involving others in her death.
"This conversation took place on August 8, 2007," he said. "We were in the kitchen after lunch. And I said: 'If that's the only problem – that you need the house to yourself – I will pretend to go and do a day's work at the university library'. And her eyes lit up and she looked at her watch and said: 'It's a bit late for today. So tomorrow'.
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"I was a bit taken aback and I said: 'Are you sure, darling?'
"She said: 'Don't muck me about. You said you would [co-operate]. Tomorrow!'
"I said: 'All right, my darling. Tomorrow.'
"She said: 'Well, let's go up to the pub and have a nice steak for dinner at 6 o'clock. Then we'll come home. I feel like watching a Woody Allen film on my last night alive.'"
And so, after an early supper at the Three Kings in Haddenham, Cambridgeshire, they went home and watched the Woody Allen comedy Small Time Crooks before having an early night. "We just lay there and went to sleep," says Mr Grosvenor Myer, clearly picturing the moment in his mind.
"We woke up at 7am. I had a shower and got dressed as usual. I could see she was doing things in the kitchen with the blender and a pile of pills. I didn't ask too many questions.
"I went to give her a kiss and say goodbye, but she said: 'I have started the process. Don't get in the way. Goodbye, darling. Off you go.' And she practically shoved me through the front door. And as the Irish folk song has it: 'That was the last I saw of my dear'." It was 9am and he was determined not to return to their two-bedroom cottage until his wife was dead.
"I went to the university library. I was doing some work on the map in Treasure Island. It was not the best day of my life because my thoughts turned to what was happening at home. But Valerie had said: 'Don't hurry home.' So I didn't.
"So, after a day's work at the library, I had dinner at the university centre. I was reading a very interesting article in The New Yorker about the British political situation. And I was thinking: 'I must tell Valerie about this'. Then I thought: 'You great booby. You will never tell her about anything ever again – if she has managed to do it properly this time.'"
In fact, his 72-year-old wife had conducted her suicide with meticulous efficiency, taking 120 sleeping pills. He had expected to find her dead in their bedroom, but she was lying, in her red dressing gown, on the floor of the bathroom.
It was a sad end to a long marriage, yet by the end of the night Mr Grosvenor Myer found himself bizarrely amused by the situation played out at the couple's home after he had called the ambulance service.
"It was almost funny – a bit like an Aldwych farce. At one point there were two paramedics, a police inspector, a sergeant, two constables and two undertakers who had come to take Valerie away. They were all running in and out of these doors and up and down the stairs."
What he does not find amusing, however, is what he sees as the irrationality of the law that he says forced him to leave his wife to die on her own. It is for this reason that he is speaking out now, 15 months after her death.
Mr Grosvenor Myer, now 76, outlined the dilemma caused by the fact that assisted suicide is illegal in Britain: helping somebody to die carries a prison sentence of up to 14 years.
"Valerie would say: 'I want to take an overdose and die in your arms.' But I replied: 'I am sorry, my love: the law won't allow it. All that will happen is that I will end up in prison and that's not what you want. And she said: 'I suppose it isn't'.
"But because of the idiot state of the law my poor darling had to die this horrible, lonely death and I couldn't be there to help. The law should be: it's your own life – if you want to get rid of it, then go and do it. And if a loved one affords you some help, then they should be allowed to get on with it too.
"I don't regret it [leaving his wife to die]. But perhaps this makes me a criminal. If so, they [the police] know where to find me."
The couple had met in 1956, in Brittany. "My parents and I were rushing to catch the ferry home. But it was just pulling away as we got there.
"Two young Englishwomen on the ferry drew the crew's attention to us and, amazingly – because French people aren't always as obliging – they came back for us," says Mr Grosvenor Myer, recalling the moment with relish.
"And my father thanked the young women and invited them for a drink. One of the women was Valerie – and if we hadn't caught that boat we would never have spent nearly 50 years together. It really was the most advantageous meeting one could possible imagine.
"But, actually, I went out with the other girl for a year because she lived in London and Valerie lived in the Forest of Dean, where she worked as a reporter on the Dean Forest Mercury. But then she got a job as chief reporter on the Dartford Chronicle and that's when we first started going out." The couple married in 1959, when she was 23 and he was 26.
They both enjoyed fulfilling careers. After they met, Mr Grosvenor Myer, who had a degree in English from Cambridge, abandoned his job as a "glorified shipping clerk in a wines and spirits firm" to become a teacher. He later had a dual career as a freelance theatre critic and folk singer.
Mrs Grosvenor Myer, the daughter of a coal miner but linked through an illegitimate liaison to the wealthy Grosvenor family, also combined several careers. She was a scholar, editor, literary critic, biographer and novelist. The couple shared a love of the theatre and literature, particularly Jane Austen and Shakespeare.
However, they never had children. Mrs Grosvenor Myer went to Cambridge University, obtaining a first-class degree in English as a mature student aged 31, and then suffered an early menopause. "We didn't deliberately set out to be a childless couple, but we were," her husband says now.
Dressed in a black jacket and blue striped shirt, Mr Grosvenor Myer is recalling the past as he sips a cup of tea in the Groucho Club in central London, which he joined earlier this year.
Mrs Grosvenor Myer was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease a decade ago. "It is a degenerative disease and her health got progressively worse. Three or four years ago, she said: 'Don't be surprised if you come back one day and find me dead.' I said: 'No I won't. I won't do anything to prevent you from doing what you want to do.'"
Before she died on August 9 last year, his wife had made other unsuccessful suicide attempts. In the summer of 2005, she took a late-night overdose. Convinced his wife would be dead when he awoke, Mr Grosvenor Myer left her lying on a futon in the television room. "She was still there next morning, still alive. Halfway through the day, I realised that she had gone into a coma. I couldn't cope with a coma so I called for help. One of the paramedics said very meaningfully to me: 'It's as well you phoned us as soon as you could or you might have found yourself on a manslaughter charge'. So he obviously knew what the score was and was giving me a hint to be careful."
Mr Grosvenor Myer feels lonely without his wife, but a burden has also been lifted. "Her death has cut me up terribly, but I also feel 40 years younger since she died. I feel I could fly through the air. The last three or four years, when I was nursing her, were bloody tough – not the best years of our married life." In the final months of her life, his wife fell repeatedly and had trouble talking and writing.
After her death, Mrs Grosvenor Myer was cremated and her husband scattered her ashes on their garden. They were both atheists, although he is a lapsed Jew, and earlier in their marriage both had been regular Anglican churchgoers.
He treasures the memories of his wife and the suicide note that she left on their computer screen after taking her final overdose. "Do not think of this as a suicide note, rather as a thank-you for half a century together," she had typed. She described him as her "lover and my best friend", adding: "Parting is such sweet sorrow."
Mr Gosvenor Myer's eyes start to mist over again. "I miss Valerie enormously. There is a great hole in my life. We have this big study. I always sat in the corner by the window and she always sat quite a long way away on the other side. To this day, I will be reading the paper and say: 'Have you seen…?' And I realise I am talking to myself – she is not there."
Michael was in my opinion an incredibly brave man, when I read this about him 8 years ago, and saw him here on Mudcat, I made allowances for him, he had to overcome such tragedy, I judge him ON HIS RESPONSE TO PERSONAL TRAGEDY , not on anything else. R.I.P, MGM, Brave Man


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,siwan
Date: 15 Sep 16 - 02:46 PM

A shame he's the only one without a page

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_from_Hampstead


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Sep 16 - 06:18 PM

Anyone can add one.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: gnu
Date: 16 Sep 16 - 04:48 PM

Bonnie Shaljean - PM
Date: 15 Sep 16 - 09:06 AM

No. Just friends posting.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Stim
Date: 16 Sep 16 - 08:23 PM

Michael appreciated the fact that discussions were better if the parties disagreed, and over the years I carefully studied and research any number of things for the sole purpose of taking him to task. I hope that he enjoyed it as much as I did.

I also appreciated his fondness for archaic words and little used grammatical constructions, not to mention his affinity for literature-I never would have read "East Lynne" were it not for him, nor would I have re-read and reconsidered Robert Louis Stevenson.

He was clever,contentious, tenacious, audacious and all those other things that make a good and true Mudcatter, and that one other thing, irreplaceable. We are much diminished by his passing.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 17 Sep 16 - 03:59 AM

A big loss for Mudcat and for me personally: someone who usually discussed with the aim of getting closer to the truth, not just to be right (let alone "right-wing").


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: olddude
Date: 17 Sep 16 - 06:41 PM

Very sad news, I will miss him rip


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 17 Sep 16 - 08:48 PM

A strange epitaph to the world of the rabid UK folk microcosium.

Poor MGM's wife/divorce from a decade before carries more current thread than his death.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

I have been searching obits for a week....a BLACK HOURSE will reap fortunes for the day.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Sep 16 - 03:05 AM

His brave reaction to her death tells me a lot about Michael.
Condolences to his Widow, Emma.RIP


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 18 Sep 16 - 12:59 PM

Bore her best
Both now rest


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Lighter
Date: 18 Sep 16 - 03:34 PM

We never met, but on Mudcat Michael was knowledgeable, witty, and cantankerous - much as I would like to be in old age.

Am very sad to hear of his passing.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 18 Sep 16 - 06:22 PM

It has been suggested above the he was "silly and obnoxious" . he was never either of those things. he was smart, funny and true to his beliefs. I often disagreed with him, but never disrespected his knowledge, learning and basic decency. a very good man indeed!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: meself
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 01:25 AM

Like all of us, the man had his virtues and his flaws. It is enough that so many appreciated who he was, and what he offered, as can be seen on this thread. It is not the time to criticize or to argue about his character. RIP.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 05:10 AM

If hilo needs to enter an obit thread in an argumentative frame of mind,
selectively taking issue with 3 words out of context from another mudcatter's respectful balanced sincere appraisal of a highly esteemed complex personality;
then hilo demonstrates just how much MGM stood and shone out above a morass of petty unmemorable non entities.....

MGM LION is one of the most significant losses to mudcat community.
I only ever knew him from his always wise and often infuriating mudcat persona,
but after nearly 15 years, I feel as though I have lost an elder family member.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 05:15 AM

Michael was also a highly competent "Critic".
I loved his posts he really had "style2, an example vwas when he called me a "booby", I responded by calling him a dunderhead, to be insulted by him on this forum was worth it purely to see what dizzy heights he might attempt to reach with creative use of words. I will miss him


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,Senoufou
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 06:53 AM

Michael himself may have enjoyed the classical Latin quotation, "De mortuis nil nisi bonum."


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,raymond greenoaken
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 09:30 AM

Feels like the heart's gone out of Mudcat, somehow. RIP Michael: you've enlivened the Folk discourse like no other over the past forty years and more.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 12:22 PM

"De mortuis nil nisi bonum."

Au contraire, surely he's enjoying a little row on his obit thread


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 12:30 PM

And a word or two from DtG seems appropriate, burying the hatchet, so to speak.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,In good company
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 12:56 PM

I said my bit much earlier in the thread, pauperback. Michael cannot add anything further to previous dissagreements so it would be futile and irreverent for me to make further comment. I am sure he would be pleased to have someone prolong hostilities beyond the grave though :-/

In good company (aka DtG)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 01:11 PM

Sorry, I didn't know, ingoodcompany, and like they say about good intentions and all that, sorry again


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,In good company
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 01:45 PM

No problem. I have let it be known elsewhere but if you had not seen it, you are not to know.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 02:13 PM

IgC, hakuna matata, as a wise young man once said, "I couldn't hold a grudge even if it had a handle". (hard not to make exception though)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,In good company
Date: 19 Sep 16 - 03:35 PM

Just heard another and more musically appropriate phrase. I can hold a grudge as well as I can hold a tune :-)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 20 Sep 16 - 12:30 AM

that's a worry - I cant hold a tune on my own, but that @#$%^&* person back in 1970 ...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Sep 16 - 01:15 AM

Michael was a relative newcomer to Mudcat. He first posted as Guest MtheGM (later MGM-Lion) 13 Aug 2009, and his last post was 5 July 2016 - he posted some 14096 messages. He knew a lot of people who were "The Real Thing," and he had lots of interesting stories to tell. I enjoyed his posts here, and I learned a lot from him.
He sent me a CD of some of his recordings from years ago. He was quite the singer in his day.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Sep 16 - 04:53 AM

2009.. ???
that'a a surprise, I thought and felt he'd been here forever..

After i posted yesterday it got me thinking how long I'd actually been a mudcatter.
I can find the earliest known dates of the first appearance of the names punkfolkrocker and guest punkfolkrocker,
but i haven't a clue what names I used before that, or when I was first an anonymous poster.

I'm guesstimating 2003...???

I found this place by chance looking for the words of authentic versions of "Soldier, Soldier, will you marry me"

The wife was obsessed with memories of that song from when it was a regular on the radio we were kids in the 1960s..

Bet MGM would have known all we needed as mere pub quiz trivia in his vast wealth of knowledge...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 20 Sep 16 - 09:45 AM

I remembered Michael Grosvenor Myer from his reviews of folk music in the Guardian from the seventies on, and was so pleased to re-discover him here on Mudcat. Always interesting, combative but above all informative. RIP Michael.

Ross


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 21 Sep 16 - 04:26 AM

I never met him but we had mutual friends and I benefited from his musical knowledge. Sad that another Mudcatter has gone before, to add his multiple instrumental skills to the Mudcat Band on the other side.
RtS


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,EmmTheGM
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 11:04 AM

Hi everyone

I'm Emma, Michael's wife and I came across this thread by chance and am touched by your kindness and comments. It's been almost three months since Michael passed away. I miss him terribly and particularly his determination and pedantry to get to the real truth, as he saw it. It didn't always matter who was right just that it was discussed, he loved pitting his wits intellectually against anyone. He loved Mudcat and although I didn't ever read or see any of his postings in here I knew he was passionate about the detail and would sit for hours typing away and to-ing and fro-ing about most topics.
I remember whenever there were any comments about his work or fine repuation as a writer, or his You Tube videos, his face would light up with pride and so would mine. Pride that he chose me, pride I was good enough to share his life, and pride because he was the most wondeful man any girl could have. I was the lucky one. His music will live on, so will his love of people and life.

Bless you all

love

Emma x


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,EmmTheGM
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 11:07 AM

ps... sorry for typos... I meant to say "pride because he was the most wonderful man any girl could have"!"

I can see him spellchecking me right now and see him smiling :)


"Girl" was corrected, but this remark is still in place because it is nice to imagine one last pedantic smile from Michael. :-) --mudelf


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: bobad
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 11:18 AM

I still miss his presence and his contributions to the many topics we squabble over on this forum. He was truly one of a kind and I, for one, consider myself fortunate to have had the opportunity to interact with him, if only through a keyboard. May his memory be a blessing.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Will Fly
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 11:32 AM

Hi Emma - glad you made it here to read all about Michael and his Mudcat doings. Whether one agreed or disagreed with him, it was always a pleasure to debate with him. He was full of knowledge - and wit. I disagreed with him on many things - and agreed with him on many others. Whatever our respective positions on any topic, we always stayed friends.

Many of us here miss him, though of course we can never miss him as you do - but, as you can imagine, I'm also checking this post for typos and grammatical errors...

...just in case!
xx


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 12:08 PM

Michael was one of the true Mudcat Characters, very sadly missed.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 12:55 PM

I so miss his contribution here.
We used to compare notes privately sometimes.
I would have liked to have been a friend in real life too.
keith.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 03:26 PM

I don't think I ever crossed his path, but that is my great loss.

Michael contributed to many threads with wit and courtesy.

Emma, I hope you come back and read some of the threads he contributed to. There's a lot of stupidity and bile to wade through but you can easily skip this.

You should be able to easily find his contributions by typing his handle in the search box.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 07:01 PM

Emma,

MGM.Lion made 14,096 posts since August 2009 & I enjoyed reading the ones I came across. I assumed he had been around much longer.

I've just been dipping thru his posts & found this -

Sea shanties for fiddle - 23 Aug 2009
    'squeeze boxes are no more traditional for sea songs than any other instrument.'
    Not sure about that, Steve. My friend the distinguished folklorist Bob Thompson [with whom I visited, & collected from Harry Cox - see the definitive Topic "Bonny Labouring Boy" Harry Cox collection] once said to me that he thought the association of seamen with the concertina was one of those bits of 'folklore about folklore', no older than Bert Lloyd's partnership with Alf Edwards; but he changed his mind when I pointed out the concertina-playing pirate in Barrie's 'Peter Pan' [1904], and the ref to sailors 'dancing to the wheezy music of the concertina' in the penultimate paragraph of Somerset Maugham's 'The Moon & Sixpence' [1919]. The concertina is a small but robust, portable but powerful instrument, small enough to fit into a sailor's dunnage without taking up too much of limited fo'csle space, &, unlike the harmonica to which it is so closely related [particularly in its anglo avatar], usable by a singer for simultaneous accompaniment.

sandra in sydney (australia)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: gnu
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 09:36 PM

Just catching up again and saw...

Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Backwoodsman - PM
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 12:08 PM

Michael was one of the true Mudcat Characters, very sadly missed.
************************************************************

Yup. Again... RIP and thanks.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 07 Dec 16 - 07:02 PM

Michael...........


Michael, on Youtube

And here..... :0)

'April Morning'
Here too :0)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 08:22 AM

OMG thank you all for your kind words and the links to the you tube videos, that I remember recording all 40 odd songs of in 2010 in the space of two months! I'm glad that Michael recorded them for others to enjoy forever.

On the day of the funeral I chose him singing 'Magdelene Green' on the way in so to speak and 'The Tailor in the Tea Chest' when the ceremony was finished. I love both of those songs best for different reasons. Both were from his studio CD which I think was recorded in the 80's or 90's when he was still at his peak vocally. I'm not a folkie at all but I am a musician/singer/songwriter so I appreciate all it stands for and when it is sung well, as i do any genre of vocal music. The nearest I get to listen to are modern folk/pop bands like Katzenjammer who played the Cambridge Folk Festival, but I realise there is a big divide between traditional folksters and what is allowed to loosely be called "folk" music nowadays :) I played their CD to Michael and although not his style, he always equally appreciated a good melody and lyrics.

His concertinas and guitar have stayed in the family so that he can be remembered playing them so well.

Yes I will pop back in now and then, although I don't have anywhere near as much time as Michael had to contribute and read the threads but I will try and learn something from you all.


Emma


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Dec 16 - 11:27 AM

thankyou Emma


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,EmmTheGM
Date: 18 Dec 16 - 11:56 AM

Dear Good Soldier Schweik
How do i find your email address i wouks like to ask you sonething?

Regards

Emma


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Dec 16 - 02:41 PM

dickmiles77@gmail.com


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,Phil Edwards
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 03:12 PM

So sad to read this news. I was fond of Michael - he was very helpful when I was trying to find out more about PB - and always hoped we'd meet some day. Ah well - by and by...! So long, MGM.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 03:17 PM

Nice to see this thread at the top again - I was remembering him fondly only yesterday.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jun 18 - 09:54 PM

Somebody reminded me of Mike today. I really enjoyed knowing him.
I hope he's still resting easy.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: bobad
Date: 06 Jun 18 - 10:12 PM

I did too, he was one of the good ones.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,paperback
Date: 06 Jun 18 - 10:39 PM

Oh wotz the bloody use! Once Catters get their teeth into a bone ~MGM Lion

I hope he's restin' easy, too


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 18 - 07:04 PM

The ultimate curate's egg. What tipped it the wrong way for me was that he was an inveterate Arsenal supporter. Twat. And he wouldn't mind my calling him that...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 18 - 07:08 PM

I objected to his little dirty that wished for a slow and painful death for me by testicular cancer but, what the heck, I suppose someone liked it...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 18 - 07:17 PM

Sure thing. The evil that men do lives after them. The good is oft interred with their bones... He and I didn't get on. He had seriously right-wing predilections, though his erudition in some areas was beyond criticism. As I said, the ultimate curate's egg.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jun 18 - 08:35 PM

Lines at fourscore'n'three

When am I
Going to die?
Who can know
When I'll go?

Michael Grosvenor Myer
    8 October 2015


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jun 18 - 12:16 AM

If your up There, MGM, say a prayer for JC, he I think he may be in dire straits. Thank you.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 09 Jun 18 - 11:03 AM

t?? te????óta µ? ?a?????e?? (tòn tethnekóta mè kakologeîn)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Jun 18 - 12:05 PM

Well if any of his detractors knew about the death of his wife Valerie and how he coped with it may they be forgiven their petty remarks, he was a brave man.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: GUEST,paperback
Date: 09 Jun 18 - 02:29 PM

Pay no heed to the ooze & sludge: "Those who bitch about other's are just hiding from there own downfalls" ~Billiam Brown


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jun 18 - 02:37 PM

Some of my favourite mudcatters only let death stop them posting here...

The disloyal ex catters who buggered off to face book are not so missed...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jun 18 - 03:10 PM

We all knew about it, Dick.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jun 18 - 03:59 PM

OK, so this is a thread to honor Mike and what a wonderful character he was, warts and all. Let's not get bogged down in side stuff. I refreshed this thread because I was pleased to hear one of Mike's recordings on a California folk radio program this week. I wonder how the radio host got the recording. Come to think of it, maybe she got it from me.

Moderators, if there's any editing that needs to be done in this thread, I'll do it. Don't delete any more messages here without consulting me.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 03:59 AM

Steve,
He had seriously right-wing predilections,

He did not. He just did not share your Far Left predilictions.

Most people don't.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Michael Grosvenor Myer-MGM LION-Sep 10, 2016
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 04:59 AM

In the misquoted words of Basil Fawlty, there are some people here who need to be sent to a vivisectionist...

My post in this thread about Michael, whilst explaining that he and I didn't always get on, had plenty of affection in it for the ould rogue. Several people here recognised what I was saying. I'm happy to let it rest there.


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