BS: From my eyes Elections

Subject: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: skarpi
Date: 20 Oct 16 - 03:23 PM

watching Hillary and Trump , from eyes I see two clown fight about some thing that does not matter for the people ,

I have not heard about , health service , education , work ,
economy only this fight about you are doing this to my and I will do this to you ? like when Trump said Hillary should be in jail ...is that going to help the people ? how many people have no home ? have no or little food , have no health service , no work or education ...

as a man watching this from the Atlantic ocean , I wish all the best to vote , in Iceland we will also go for election for new Alþingi as the last one got cracked out of Panama files ...

I hope some thing big will not happen to lead the eyes of the world to other directions , while the elections goes on in that big land of USA .

so all the best Skarpi Iceland .

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Oct 16 - 03:40 PM

Skarpi I hear people are worried about Clinton getting Europe into a war with Russia?

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: skarpi
Date: 20 Oct 16 - 03:45 PM

I have not heard anything about that , but remember the media is controlled by the elite , and they only print what they want , they could try to tell you any thing ...

don´t believe everything you read or hear ...

But the Syria problem is made by USA ( CIA ) and the elite ..
not Russia ...

kv Skarpi

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: skarpi
Date: 20 Oct 16 - 05:23 PM

https://www.facebook.com/TruthInsideOfYou/videos/1134702833262383/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

can´t get it blue :) ...
but there is a truth in that ....

kv Skarpi

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: keberoxu
Date: 20 Oct 16 - 07:44 PM

When Election Day comes my vote will be cast, it won't feel good but it would feel worse not to vote. But aside from Election day:

you know how sometimes a person is embarrassed to leave the house and face people? Well, I would be embarrassed to travel outside the country right now. I think of people looking at me and going, There goes one of those Americans....

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: skarpi
Date: 20 Oct 16 - 07:56 PM

well the Brits went out of EU , witch is bad thinking ....and USA is having two bad people running for president ..

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Janie
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 12:56 AM

Probably should not post here, but I will anyway. This is a weary, globally connected, overcrowded world we live in these days. The objective reality is that, at present, the USA is the most powerful among world governments and countries, but no country or power has the influence and control they had 70, 50 or even 30 years ago.

Any perspectives, domestic or foreign, that cling to the notion the USA can either save the world or will be the demise of the world are not realistic.

Also a mistake to overestimate the power of the Presidency in this post modern world. Not saying it is not still a powerful position.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: mg
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 01:55 AM

Skarpi.. Just sent you a pm about cod cd.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 07:17 AM

"well the Brits went out of EU , witch is bad thinking ..."

No, Skarpi, we didn't. An advisory (i.e. non-binding) referendum was held, which resulted in a very small majority in favour of leaving the EU. The UK is still a member of the EU, and will remain so until Article 50 is triggered, which the prime minister says will happen around the end of March, 2017, and up to two years is then permitted for the completion of exit negotiations, at the end of which we leave the EU - probably September, 2019. Until then, we remain members.

Hopefully, before that time, parliament will over-ride the demands of the Brexiteers, and take the decision to ignore the result of the referendum, and remain in the EU.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 08:03 AM

Parliament won't do that. Too many remain MPs are shrugging and saying that we must accept the "democratic wishes" (which were no such thing) of the people (just over 37% of them, but hey ho). It's going to take a bit of an upheaval to turn the thing around. You never know. We are already seeing the currency collapse and the big enchiladas in the EU telling us no back-door deals. A government with no exit plan. Confidence in the economy is plummeting. Even the crowing brexiteers in this forum have gone quiet. Deep down they know that we are coming out on the back of a big lie. Testing times to come. As I said, you never know.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 09:02 AM

Time will tell, Steve. I have a sneaking suspicion that May is working on lining up a rejection of Brexit in a way that doesn't leave her with egg on her face. I detest the woman, but I have to say that she's a canny bird who campaigned to remain in the EU. She's giving the impression that she's accepted the 'Leave' decision wholeheartedly, but I don't believe it for a minute.

Watch this space!

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 09:07 AM

She'll have to dream up some kind of big vote that she's sure to lose! I do think that more people will turn as things go from bad to worse, which they will.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 09:13 AM

Not necessarily. While she has determinedly insisted Brexit means Brexit she has also insisted there will be no second referendum. Leavers see this as blocking remainders attempt at a rerun but it could also be seen as a determination not to repeat Cameron's mistake of putting the decision beyond his control. Any 'big vote' would be parliamentary I think.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 09:42 AM

Hi, Skarpi-
I don't think Hillary Clinton will be a bad President. When I listen to what she says in serious discussion, she makes sense. It's hard for one to explain things rationally when there's another person in the room twisting every word one says, and those are the conditions Hillary has had to campaign under. I think people will soon see that she is intelligent and rational, and that she has very good intentions.

Some of you may recall that for about five years, a certain Mudcatter was constantly posting messages about what a horrible person I was. I did my best to carry on, but it was difficult to be the person I really am. And sometimes I lost my cool and got defensive. It was an impossible situation.

So, I think I can understand what Hillary has been going through. She has been under constant attack for many years. I hope the attacks stop so she can do her job as President, but I'm afraid that might not happen.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 10:12 AM

Seems from over here she's the best of what you are stuck with
Was horrified to hear enthusiastic applause from Hartlepool for Trump on a political discussion programme last night
What have you done to our country?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: skarpi
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 10:18 AM

Well I heard about UK leaving at March ...next year ...misunderstanding ...sorry , Joe the media does not as I wrote always tell the whole thing about this campaign ..only what they want to let out .

they control ...sadly to say ..

all the best Skarpi

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 10:18 AM

Assholes know no nation or international boundary.

Unfortunately.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 10:23 AM

The Repuglicans in Congress will do what they did to Obama - they will de-rail everything she tries to do, no matter whether it be good for America or bad. It's what they do.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 10:50 AM

All I ask is that you yanks pick an average president. Clinton will make a very average president. You've picked an average president since 2008 and you picked one through the 90s and one at the end of the 70s, though that poor sod didn't stand a chance. You are quite good at picking terrible presidents, which is what we're all scared of. You picked a terrible president at the end of the 60s, then all through the 80s, then again through most of the 2000s. Picking a terrible president can do a lot of harm. All we can hope for is that your two Houses clip the wings of any terrible president you pick. If you do pick a terrible president this time, I think that will happen and the silly bugger will have to behave himself. But that's no way to run even a fish and chip shop.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: keberoxu
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 02:52 PM

Janie, if there were a "like" button, I would "like" your post.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Oct 16 - 03:19 PM

There are damnfools everywhere. But the Democrats stand a good chance of winning back control of the Senate and a reasonable chance of the House. Either one could break the deadlock and allow the government to govern once again.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 10:25 AM

1: "But the Syria problem is made by USA ( CIA ) and the elite ..
not Russia ..."

Really? Since before 1967 the Soviets have backed the Syrian Government to the hilt to secure their Naval Base. US involvement in Syria since 1967 has been minimal. As part of the so-called "Arab Spring" the Syrian people wanted reform that the Assad regime just wasn't compared to grant - so the Assad regime started killing those demanding reform and the Russians still wanting their Naval Base did everything in their power to help them along with other allies in the region namely Iran and Hezbollah in the Lebanon. Love to hear where and how the Americans and the CIA are involved in this lot.

2: "well the Brits went out of EU , witch is bad thinking"

Surprised Skarpi that you think it such a bad idea that we want out of the EU - Your own Government came to the same conclusion, i.e. that they are better off out of the EU than be in it.

"Hopefully, before that time, parliament will over-ride the demands of the Brexiteers, and take the decision to ignore the result of the referendum, and remain in the EU." - Backwoodsman

Simply just not going to happen Backwoodsman. If it did happen however, look to the greatest shake up in British politics come the 2020 election. Love to see your commitment to democracy though - wishing for the elected representatives of the people completely ignore and go against the will and the wishes of the British people.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 10:30 AM

Apologies that British people should of course read British electorate.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 10:47 AM

That should of course read 37% of the British electorate, an electorate whose wishes were seriously distorted by a disgraceful campaign from both sides.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 11:09 AM

skarpi, why do you think clinton is a bad candidate?

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 11:56 AM

Teribus, our democracy requires that issues of national interest are debated and voted upon by parliament. The referendum was not binding, it was advisory. The decision whether to leave or remain in the EU should be debated and voted upon by those elected to parliament.

The government has listened to the will of a comparatively small minority of the population and, on that questionable basis, is investigating the means by which the UK might leave the EU. At such time as a plan is devised, and the terms and conditions of exit are negotiated, our democratic process requires that the plan and Ts & CS are put before parliament to be debated and voted upon.

THAT is true democracy. Simply pandering to the wishes of a minority, especially one composed of feeble-minded fools, who fell for the lies of three spineless cowards who ran for the hills the moment the 'Leave' majority, and those three liars' bluff, was called, is not democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: skarpi
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 01:08 PM

why do I think Clinton bad ....
Is she likely to end the stupid war in the middle east ??
CIA against the ( ISIS ) made by CIA tell me , I would see all the money you r Government is spending now and will spend in the coming future for the people instead for the US instead in the Army complex

Bernie was the man ....but that ´s me

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 01:26 PM

Bernie was the man ....but that ´s me"

Not just you, Skarpi. You're dead right, and I agree with you.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 02:26 PM

Is she likely to end the stupid war in the middle east ??

Well, as she didn't START it - how is she all by herself supposed to stop it?

Bernie indeed WAS the man, but that was then & this is now.

And if Bernie says "vote for Clinton, and work from there" as he has REPEATEDLY done -I'm inclined to go along with him.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: olddude
Date: 22 Oct 16 - 09:32 PM

My front yard has I like ike in a home made sign next to a vote fdr. Hell we are all traditional people anyway

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 09:30 AM

Confidence in the economy is plummeting. Even the crowing brexiteers in this forum have gone quiet.

And the BBA is saying the banks are poised to leave for Europe. Even if not true, it is about making sure the Brexit arrangements goes the way the banks want, whether or not that corresponds with the referendum results.

Happy 4 month anniversary.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 12:20 PM

Not gone quiet at all, its all done and dusted no "free movement" under any circumstances.
No more laws sent down from Brussels.

Farage for politician of the year.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 12:37 PM

Tell him, Greg...

😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 01:05 PM

Greg knows even less about UK politics than he does about US , though a little more than you do about either.

Read and learn ....We are in the process of leaving the EU there is no other way, the referendum was won by the people who voted leave....end of story for everyone but those who believe in the "tooth fairy"....poor lambs   :0)

Not even "snake in the grass" Hillary can stop it.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 01:14 PM

On the middle East, I also agree with scarpi......even OUR political leaders are not stupid enough to de-stabilise Iraq, Libya, and Syria....by accident!

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 01:20 PM

Say goodnight to the folks, Gracie...

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 08:17 PM

I'm not a 'yuge' fan of Hillary, mainly because we've already had a Clinton in the White House, but probably 80% of her bad opinion rating is due to years of repetitive character assassination rather than actual misdeeds, maladminstration, or incompetence. John Boehner went a long way toward admitting this in public.
Donald, OTOH is genuinely malodorous, incompetent and nasty. I would not be astonished if he is into senescence due to his overuse of superlatives and underuse of standard English grade school vocabulary.

There is some argument to the fact that he is less likely to reach 'the button' on account of his tiny hands, but I think this is an exaggeration.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 02:57 AM

Backwoodsman - 22 Oct 16 - 11:56 AM

As I said Backwoodsman I like your take on democracy:

"The government has listened to the will of a comparatively small minority of the population and, on that questionable basis, is investigating the means by which the UK might leave the EU."

It was the largest voter turn out that the country has ever seen.

More voted for leaving in 2016 than voted to remain in 1975.

Your comparatively small minority voting to leave was larger than the even smaller comparative minority voting to remain. Live with it.

Fact of the matter is that there will be no negotiations on the UK leaving the EU until AFTER Article 50 has been officially triggered, after which the negotiations will be between the Government of the UK and the EU Commission. The UK Parliament will not even feature.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 03:36 AM

34% of the electorate voted to leave. 66% didn't - even you should be able to do the maths.

It was a flawed referendum, the Boy Blunder Cameron cocked it up right royally - if the rule is that trades unions need a 60/40 majority to legally go on strike, the same rule should have applied to a referendum that will have infinitely greater consequences than industrial action by a union.

And, of course, the simple fact that people like you constantly ignore is that the terms of the referendum clearly state that it was advisory, not binding.

It's you who has a warped view of democracy if you are happy for parliament - the representatives of the whole of the U.K. population, not just those who voted Tory at the GE - to be denied a debate and vote on the terms and conditions of exit negotiated by the government.

Time will tell, of course, but I'm firmly convinced that May is presently paying lip-service to the Brexiteers, whilst she and her cohorts manoeuvre to reach a position where they can reject our leaving the EU. In the meantime, we are left looking on as the disaster the Three Lying Monkeys have wrought upon us unfolds.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 05:21 AM

Well, Teribus, let's now represent the numbers properly.

1975 referendum: registered voters 40,456,877
2016 referendum: registered voters 46,500,001 (over six million more)

1975 remain vote: 17,368,581
2016 leave vote:    17,410,742
Difference: 2016 leave "wins" (as you said) by 42,161.

But you see, Teribus, there were over SIX MILLION MORE ELECTORS this time round, which makes your 42,161 "lead" look very paltry indeed. In fact, had there been a level playing field for your comparison, I'm sorry to say that this year's leave would have been numerically trounced. In addition, the number of remainers in 1975 was more than double the number of leavers, which makes this year's far more marginal result look a little lean, n'est-ce pas? By the way, I didn't agree that we should have had that referendum either.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 06:03 AM


Not gone quiet at all, its all done and dusted no "free movement" under any circumstances

Whatever system is developed could be so lax that for all practical purposes there is still free movement, or so strict businesses are damaged and illegal immigration is high. Both technically ending "free movement".

No, it is not all done and dusted: it has barely started.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 06:22 AM

Anyone who thinks that immigration is going to nosedive any time soon is deluded. For a start, there is more migration from outside the EU than from in it, which will not be affected by any "deal" with the EU. Then there's the fact the overwhelming number of migrants from the EU come here to work. Not to live the benefits lifestyle, etc. That means that they are needed. As we don't train our own skilled workers, and as we Brits are reluctant to pick daffodils and sprouts, wipe bottoms in care homes and clean tourist toilets, they will continue to be needed and will continue to come in. It's a good bet that if the one big immigration lie we were peddled hadn't been deployed in the campaign, we wouldn't be coming out.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 06:57 AM

Hillary has spent her life witnessing and acquiring the keys to power through joining all the status quo world bankesque institutions.

Trump has spent his life gaming the system without knowing what the institutions are about. The one good idea Trump parroted was term limits.

Skarpi is right about individual needs being by passed.

The biggest issue is world wide environmental concerns.
shhh global heating ,floods, drinking water scarcity, is here and now.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 07:09 AM

Only after votes are counted can you really find out why people voted the way they did.
Comment :Some people would vote for Goldilocks and the 3 bears?

"Independant "View of why voters voted for Brexit

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 07:16 AM

Much is said about the pathology of Donald J Trump.

I only ask you to notice you have never seen or heard Donald actually laugh. Never.

In many ways Donald is stranger than Adolf.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 12:27 PM

It is nothing to do with numbers, "Free movement" means we have absolutely no control over migration into the UK from the EU.

That is what we voted for,
control of our own affairs, we CAN control migration from the Commonwealth and other countries outside the EU.

Control means that we get the sort of economic immigrants we require in numbers that we can cope with, without discriminating against our own people.   If the Westminster mafia think they can gerrymander this vote they have another think coming. Just look at the kind of people who are leading the Remoaners.....discredited Labour MPs and "liberal dinosaurs"

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 12:57 PM

"Was horrified to hear enthusiastic applause from Hartlepool for Trump."

What do you expect from monkey hangers?

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 01:16 PM

Hillary = More of the same, slightly right of Obama = stability = market confidence.
Trump = Yuge uncertainty, no fixed ideology, no plan, no experience in cooperative solution building = probable recession immediately after election.

Its a pretty easy choice in my opinion, even if she incapable of stopping a war which nearly an inevitable result of Cheney/Bush destabilizing the Middle East.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 01:18 PM

Nah, Jack, Hillary done made that thar war all by herself. Just ask Ake- he'll explain it to ya.

Subject: RE: BS: From my eyes Elections
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 16 - 03:00 PM

While he's at it, perhaps he can explain to us his extremely peculiar take on the word "jerrymander." 😂