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BS: The election results show

Teribus 11 Nov 16 - 02:24 AM
Bill D 10 Nov 16 - 08:24 PM
Donuel 10 Nov 16 - 08:21 PM
Greg F. 10 Nov 16 - 08:04 PM
olddude 10 Nov 16 - 07:54 PM
Steve Shaw 10 Nov 16 - 07:31 PM
bobad 10 Nov 16 - 07:04 PM
Greg F. 10 Nov 16 - 05:07 PM
Greg F. 10 Nov 16 - 04:57 PM
Donuel 10 Nov 16 - 04:45 PM
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beardedbruce 10 Nov 16 - 03:21 PM
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MikeL2 10 Nov 16 - 02:49 PM
Greg F. 10 Nov 16 - 02:36 PM
beardedbruce 10 Nov 16 - 02:27 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Nov 16 - 02:24 AM

"Now Trump needs to negotiate the looming minefield of placing his interests in 500 companies in a "blind trust" .... one which is NOT run by his family! You can bet he will not like the idea of not knowing how his money is doing.... but there are laws that even he cannot avoid.
I can already envision him not even trying to run for a 2nd term."


Very good point BillD - that aspect of things I'd completely forgotten about. IIRC didn't Chaney have to do that even before he accepted the nomination to run as VP? He also relocated back to Wyoming before the accepting the nomination so that it was possible for voters in Texas to vote for a Bush/Chaney ticket.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 08:24 PM

I stated months ago that Trump wants the position of president, not the job. He **IS** incompetent to deal with the fine points of the office, so he will delegate to people like *gasp* Steve Bannon, Kris Kobach of Kansas (who has been writing most of the anti-immigration legislation), his VP Pence *yuck*, Rudy Giuliani, disgraced Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich and other semi-'experienced' hatchet men to do the dirty work.(and then he can blame them if things go wrong).
Now Trump needs to negotiate the looming minefield of placing his interests in 500 companies in a "blind trust" .... one which is NOT run by his family! You can bet he will not like the idea of not knowing how his money is doing.... but there are laws that even he cannot avoid.
I can already envision him not even trying to run for a 2nd term.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 08:21 PM

It will be a couple weeks before some of this is set in stone.

I heard on npr that democrats crossed over to Trump way more than republicans crossed to Clinton.

Mr. Red said "Trump is already impeached, in hair color".


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 08:04 PM

Ben Carson? You mean Dr. Batshit Crazy??? Give us a break!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: olddude
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 07:54 PM

Steve, our system has been broken since it was conceived in terms of the President race. It needs overhauled for sure but they just don't do anything about it


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 07:31 PM

Well it's interesting that Clinton pipped Trump in terms of the overall vote, but the US is not quite a single amorphous entity but a federation of many smaller entities. If you want the people to feel that they are stakeholders in the democracy, you have to do slightly better than saying to them that they have one vote in a population of 300 million once every four years. On the surface, the electoral college system seems like a pretty good crack at fairness. But where, to me anyway, it breaks down is in the all-or-nothing lottery of the final allocation of representatives. If Florida has 29, and Trump squeaks in by a few tens of thousands of votes out of 20 million, then it seems to me that he should get 15 and Clinton 14. Etcetera, repeated across the nation. But you give him the whole lot. Why is that? Mind you, when you look at our system...


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: bobad
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 07:04 PM

As has been widely noted on the internet, Trump four years ago questioned the legitimacy of the Electoral College system, which selects presidents based on the states they win rather than the total votes they receive. On Election Day 2012, when there was public speculation that Mitt Romney might win the popular vote but lose in the Electoral College to President Barack Obama, Trump went on a tweet storm, calling the election "a total sham and a travesty." He exclaimed, "We are not a democracy." He called for "revolution" against this "great and disgusting injustice" and slammed the "phoney electoral college." In April, Ben Carson also questioned the need for the Electoral College.

Mother Jones


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 05:07 PM

Trump wants Steve Bannon, of Nazi fame, as chief of staff.

USA! Sieg Heil! USA!! Seig Heil!!

Yup, relax Joe -it'll all take care of itself.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 04:57 PM

I note you refrain from answering.

The only rational answer to one posting palpable bullshit is calling it bullshit, Beardie.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 04:45 PM

Breaking News

Trump wants Steve Bannon, of Nazi fame, as chief of staff.

It is a position that can not be reviewed or contested.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 04:00 PM

Bruce I saw it the 1st time.

I know you are celebrating however I have asked you nicely to refrain from making fun of liberals until the grieving process ends.

Instead of getting all wet be an adult and stop participating in pissing contests. Any female could beat you at that anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 03:21 PM

I note you refrain from answering.


Shall I put you back into your "bucket of deplorables"?

Your call, Joe-

GregtrF is starting to make the rest of you look pretty bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 03:18 PM

Good old BeardedBullshit!

No answers, so baffle 'em with inconsequetial and irrelevant bullshit.

Yoo-Hoo- Joe .....?


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 03:17 PM

GregtrF,

You made statements about my posts without any factual basis for your conclusion. If you have no valid information, perhaps you need to stop attacking others who are making an effort to find out the facts.

You make other Liberals here look bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 03:11 PM

GregtrF,

And the Communist Party endorsed Hillary- so, I should state that you Liberals are ALL mass murderers like Stalin?

BTW,STILL waiting on your answer to:

GregtrF,

So, HOW MANY YEARS were you handling classified information?

What positions of responsibility dealing with classified information have you ever been in?
What training in dealing with classified information have you ever had?



Or do you admit to being one of the undeucated/undereducated, the completely ignorant, the fact-averse, delusional idiots who believe that blogs and Twitter are reliable sources of factual information?

SHOW US YOUR QUALIFICATIONS on classified materials!


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: MikeL2
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 02:49 PM

I feel sorry for all Americans who take life seriously.

It was not easy to vote correctly when the choice was either tooth ache or ear ache.

Come to think of it it's bit like us deciding on Cameron or Ed Millibrand. !!

There could be many UK politicians worried by the result yesterday.

Be afraid....

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 02:36 PM

to insult, denigrate, mock, and denounce millions of Americans

So Beardie, to you, white supremecists, neo-Nazis, bigots, racists, ignoramuses, the undeucated/undereducated, the completely ignorant, the fact-averse, delusional idiots who believe that blogs and Twitter are reliable sources of factual information should NOT be called out for what they are is somehow reprenensible and counter-productive??

Do tell. (or Sieg Heil!)


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 02:27 PM

to insult, denigrate, mock, and denounce millions of Americans who stand on other sides of our nation's political and cultural divides.


Pegs you right on the button, GregtrF.

So how many here will agree with you and show which is truly the party of HATE?


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 02:25 PM

As for what Pres. Trump plans to do, he has stated a plan:


http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days

"What follows is my 100-day action plan to Make America Great Again. It is a contract between myself and the American voter — and begins with restoring honesty, accountability and change to Washington

Therefore, on the first day of my term of office, my administration will immediately pursue the following six measures to clean up the corruption and special interest collusion in Washington, DC:

* FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;

* SECOND, a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health);

* THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated;

* FOURTH, a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service;

* FIFTH, a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government;

* SIXTH, a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections."

(more on the posted site)


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 02:21 PM

BEARDIE:

Wake up.

The very LAST think your hero Trump, 24 karat piece of human garbage that he is, is a "conservative" by any (even tortured)definition of the term.

Of course, since you inhabit a fact-free environment.....


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 02:16 PM

Donuel,

Please read this carefully:

The reason why it's so important for liberals to rouse themselves from their dogmatic slumber is that it is their historical dogmatism, their certainty in progressive triumph, that inspires them to insult, denigrate, mock, and denounce millions of Americans who stand on other sides of our nation's political and cultural divides. Why bother to treat them with a base level of respect if you suspect that they and their onerous, ignorant prejudices are bound to die out any day now? We are the future waiting to be ever-more-fully born; they are the dead weight of a rapidly dying past."




The ones who stand on the other side are the conservatives: This is telling Liberals that it is the LIBERALS "historical dogmatism, their certainty in progressive triumph, that inspires them to insult, denigrate, mock, and denounce millions of Americans who stand on other sides of our nation's political and cultural divides."

" Why bother to treat them (CONSERVATIVES) with a base level of respect if you suspect that they and their onerous, ignorant prejudices are bound to die out any day now?"


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 02:11 PM

As long as GregtrF represents himself as the "Liberal Posterboy" and continues to make unsupported statements and attack others rather than provide a reason to think he has a point, I know that the Dems will have no future in running this country.


It is attitudes like his that GAVE this election to Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 02:02 PM

Joe, instead of being coy with me, why not spend some of your time responding to the BS that Bullsquad Bruce pollutes this forum with? Seems that would be in line with your professed outlook.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 01:58 PM

opps, the wall paper is bright yellow.

We should all be Joe right now, after the grieving ends.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 01:51 PM

"Why bother to treat 'liberals' with respect ?"

If these are indeed your words and not another cut nd paste, you get what you give.


In an uncanny display, Trump's hair blended in perfectly with the pale and bold vertical stripes of the wall paper in the ova office. With a chair on each side of the fireplace Barak would look to his right to see President elect Trump and Donald had to look to his left to be attentive to President Obama. The 10 minute meeting went for 90.

A slightly bowed posture by Trump may have in reverence to the office or to not appear as though he was looming over Obama's height.

Domestic policy exposed more differences "difficulties' than foreign policy. The goal of the conversation was to wisely transfer power in the most peaceful and gracious manner.

Obama would gesticulated with a rolling motion of his right arm while Trump usually held his hands like a spider on a mirror and kept tapping his index fingers. No staff was present except for Secret Service and the white House photographer.

They had never met but will meet again for consul.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 01:32 PM

Oh, Greg, I would not stick my head in the sand. I would stay calm, act logically and strategically, and refrain from using the word you love so well. Vulgar language has its place, if used sparingly and intelligently.
Joe


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 01:16 PM

How Hillary Clinton lost to Donald Trump

"As for the voters, Clinton won big in urban areas, where college-educated liberals are clustered, as well as minority voters fearful of the bigotry a Trump presidency may unleash. But she also lost big in the poorer rural areas of middle America, conservative heartlands where God, guns, and the constitution reign supreme.

Trump tapped into the anger in these places, many in the grip of industrial decline, where jobs are often scarce, and they turned out to vote like never before, as a bloc in a way similar to the pattern of voting by minority groups.

And for many of these voters, Clinton was a symbol of the out-of-touch, nepotistic establishment that had turned its back on them. In voting for Trump, they were turning their backs in response."

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/how-hillary-clinton-lost-donald-trump-1590613?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=rss&utm


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 01:11 PM

Liberals think history is on their side. They couldn't be more wrong.

"The reason why it's so important for liberals to rouse themselves from their dogmatic slumber is that it is their historical dogmatism, their certainty in progressive triumph, that inspires them to insult, denigrate, mock, and denounce millions of Americans who stand on other sides of our nation's political and cultural divides. Why bother to treat them with a base level of respect if you suspect that they and their onerous, ignorant prejudices are bound to die out any day now? We are the future waiting to be ever-more-fully born; they are the dead weight of a rapidly dying past.

But the past isn't merely dying out in the blind unfolding of purposeless time, these liberals believe. The dying out is in some sense inevitable. Those old habits and beliefs, no less than those who stubbornly hold onto them, actually deserve their pitch-dark fate, their humiliation, their ridicule, and maybe even a swift kick in the teeth. Because that's what happens when the arc of history bends toward justice. The narrow-minded bigots suffer and expire so the righteous citizens of the world can flourish and thrive.

Imagine for a moment what your life might be like as a unemployed middle-aged white woman in a small town in a rural part of a Midwestern state. Your quality of life has been declining since the biggest employers in town closed up shop after the passage of NAFTA. Things got far worse after the financial crash hit in 2008. You voted for Obama and hoped he might change things, making your life marginally better. But instead, things have only gotten worse. Job losses have continued. Family and friends are unemployed, living off of disability checks, purchasing groceries with food stamps. Some are addicted to pain killers, with an old high school friend recently dying in an overdose. Bills, including for health insurance under ObamaCare, keep going up and up.

Meanwhile, Obama has spent his second term enforcing environmental regulations that could close the coal mine in the next county over, working on another trade deal that you fear will only decimate your town even more than it already has been, and circumventing Congress to admit more low-skilled labor into the workforce, where these immigrants will compete with long-time residents for the very few entry-level jobs that can still be found in your corner of the state. And now Hillary Clinton has doubled down on Obama's immigration goals and offered very little by way of policy that gives you hope for improvement.

Instead, Clinton keeps ranting about the racism, sexism, and bigotry of Donald Trump — and now she's been caught on tape calling his supporters "deplorable." You'd been tempted by parts of his message, like when he promised at the Republican convention to be your voice, bring back good jobs, and improve your lot in life. But you didn't seriously consider supporting him until Hillary Clinton talked that way about your Trump-supporting parents, brother, and neighbors. They'd always said that things would never get better as long as the elitists out East spit in your faces. Maybe they were right after all."


http://theweek.com/articles/660989/liberals-think-history-side-couldnt-more-wrong


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 12:42 PM

So the Republicruds, after their shenanigans of the last quarter century years and their unwavering attachment to trickle-down BS which DOES NOT WORK, led by this billionaire piece of human garbage will be re-born-again, will have a new birth of freedom, and that government for the rich, by the rich and of the rich will not perish from the earth?


No doubt you're right, Joe.

Stick your head in the sand, keep a low profile, and evil will disappear on its own accord, as if by magic.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 12:42 PM

BB: "This is the Republican's chance to change the entire electorial map, if Trump can keep focused"

"KEEP focused'? When has Trump shown any sign of focus? The man appears to have no sense of self control. Other than one-line slogans, he isn't even able to stay on a subject for five minutes. Or THREE minutes.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 12:35 PM

That's true, Bruce. This is a big chance for the Republicans. If they succeed, then we all will be better off. I contend that President Obama would have accomplished much more, if only the Republicans had not worked so hard to undermine his every action. I think that it is best for the Democrats to avoid trying to sabotage Republican efforts. I predict that their efforts will fail.

There are certain Trump proposals that we can not allow, because they our violations of basic human justice. we cannot allow the mass deportation of 11 million immigrants, especially those who have children who have never lived outside the United States. Those who have lived in the United States for over a decade, should certainly not be ripped out of their homes and sent to a country they no longer know.

And since we have participated in the war in Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan, we can't turn a blind eye to refugees from those wars.

As for Obamacare, I think most people believe that it needs to be fixed. The Democrats work too hard to satisfy the Republicans when they designed Obamacare, and that caused too many unworkable aspects. Now it is the responsibility of the Republicans to fix it. They cannot get away with simply repeating a program that gives health insurance to 20 million Americans. It's time for the Republicans to put up or shut up now.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 12:34 PM

With Trump victory, world dodges Clinton's foreign policy bullet
AND THE PRIZE FOR DOING SO WAS...
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 12:26 PM

and lies.


how wise


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 12:25 PM

beyond corruption


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 12:22 PM

Bill,
Commanding the soul to spin the truth despite our protestations, anger, disappointments, insights beyond the hype, betrayal and the cruel ironies in life is a very bold and honorable thing to do.
It allows one to pass on the good things in life afresh.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 12:15 PM

Dems should've learned from primary that voters wanted change


"Secondly, the Democratic Party has been taught a cold, harsh lesson.

In the post-mortem of this election, after they get past their "I can't believe I live in a country that elected this man" self-pity, if Democrats are honest with themselves — I mean really, truly honest with themselves — they will realize that they essentially coronated an incredibly flawed candidate.

While Hillary Clinton, Democrats and most of the media zeroed in on the often abhorrent rhetoric of Donald Trump, all of these folks failed to realize that Clinton's problems — email servers, the Clinton Foundation, Benghazi and yes, her husband — had the same resonant effect on blue-collar, rural voters as Trump's bombastic language had on his critics.

Clinton's "transgressions" over 30 years of public service had calcified on the Rust Belt, rural and heartland areas of America much more than Democrats had predicted.

And yet, all the signs were there during the Democratic primary."

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/305255-the-signs-were-there-during-primary-but-dems-ignored


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 12:10 PM

With Trump victory, world dodges Clinton's foreign policy bullet

"Her liberal-hawkish — although many characterize it as neo-conservative — approach to international relations mixed with the desire to satisfy the myriad of political donors would only have immersed the United States in unnecessary conflicts and protracted wars.

In the words of former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell, "Everything HRC (Hillary Rodham Clinton) touches she kind of screws up with hubris." America and the world have dodged a bullet, quite literally."


https://origin-nyi.thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/305311-with-trump-victory-the-world-dodges-clintons-fore


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 11:58 AM

Joe Offer,

IF the Trump administration, in the two years until the next election, can provide more to the Black community than the the Obama administration did in its first two years ( when each had control of the WH, Senate, and House) it is possible that we will not have a Democratic administration for quite a few years. The Democrats have taken the Black community for granted, and , unlike the unions, has never paid them back for their support.

This is the Republican's chance to change the entire electorial map, if Trump can keep focused.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 11:49 AM

For some reason, this popped into my head this morning..
Sir Walter Raleigh circa 1592

    The Lie

    Go, Soul, the body's guest,
    Upon a thankless errand;
    Fear not to touch the best;
    The truth shall be thy warrant:
    Go, since I needs must die,
    And give the world the lie.

    Say to the court, it glows
    And shines like rotten wood;
    Say to the church, it shows
    What's good, and doth no good:
    If church and court reply,
    Then give them both the lie.

    Tell potentates, they live
    Acting by others' action;
    Not loved unless they give,
    Not strong but by a faction.
    If potentates reply,
    Give potentates the lie.

    Tell men of high condition,
    That manage the estate,
    Their purpose is ambition,
    Their practice only hate:
    And if they once reply,
    Then give them all the lie.

    Tell them that brave it most,
    They beg for more by spending,
    Who, in their greatest cost,
    Seek nothing but commending.
    And if they make reply,
    Then give them all the lie.

    Tell zeal it wants devotion;
    Tell love it is but lust;
    Tell time it metes but motion;
    Tell flesh it is but dust:
    And wish them not reply,
    For thou must give the lie.

    Tell age it daily wasteth;
    Tell honour how it alters;
    Tell beauty how she blasteth;
    Tell favour how it falters:
    And as they shall reply,
    Give every one the lie.

    Tell wit how much it wrangles
    In tickle points of niceness;
    Tell wisdom she entangles
    Herself in overwiseness:
    And when they do reply,
    Straight give them both the lie.

    Tell physic of her boldness;
    Tell skill it is prevention;
    Tell charity of coldness;
    Tell law it is contention:
    And as they do reply,
    So give them still the lie.

    Tell fortune of her blindness;
    Tell nature of decay;
    Tell friendship of unkindness;
    Tell justice of delay:
    And if they will reply,
    Then give them all the lie.

    Tell arts they have no soundness,
    But vary by esteeming;
    Tell schools they want profoundness,
    And stand too much on seeming:
    If arts and schools reply,
    Give arts and schools the lie.

    Tell faith it's fled the city;
    Tell how the country erreth;
    Tell manhood shakes off pity
    And virtue least preferreth:
    And if they do reply,
    Spare not to give the lie.

    So when thou hast, as I
    Commanded thee, done blabbing--
    Although to give the lie
    Deserves no less than stabbing--
    Stab at thee he that will,
    No stab the soul can kill.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 11:37 AM

Yours appears to mostly consist of using the word "fuck" a lot.

OK then, Joe - so as not to disappoint: Fuck off, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 11:21 AM

Pollyanna, Greg? Me?

Perhaps so, but I believe it is to our benefit to continue to act honorably and rationally. The Republicans have a "Perfect Storm" of a chance to prove themselves. I predict that if we do not do anything stupid, they will fall flat on their faces in a very short time. And so, the political situation will correct itself, more or less.

I think that this is a wiser solution than yours. Yours appears to mostly consist of using the word "fuck" a lot.

Joe


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 10:15 AM

Perhaps you noticed but since the primaries I have always contended that Trump could win while I had to reluctantly pull for a status quo Hillary. Podesta was insightful about her as his emails show. Still he was an idiot for getting fished which led to his hack.

I wrote about my hopes nd fears. Monday I said we will have chaos and recriminations foe some time. We are in a sensitive moment that can turn sour with guns. UK people do not understand this so remember who they are and be lenient with your judgement.

I actually saw the first Trump wall go up. It was 8 feet tall concrete blocks around Trump Tower on 5th Avenue assembled by NYPD.

It was almost poetic.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 10:02 AM

Declared 100 day intentions by Trump
Deport illegal Mexicans and build the wall
Abolish Obama's health reforms.
Renege on any previous agreements on climate change
Little wonder that decent Americans right across the country - New York, Washington - San Francisco - have taken to the streets claiming he does not speak for them them
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 09:51 AM

... wiser forces will take over the Republican Party in two years, and we can go back on balance...And then in two short years, if we keep our cool, things will be a whole lot better.


Pollyanna

noun Pol·ly·an·na \ˌpä-lē-ˈa-nə\

Simple Definition of Pollyanna
: someone who thinks good things will always happen and finds something good in everything

Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 09:44 AM

are they really attacks or a respectful response?

I define waffle as a partial flip flop.

when we take ourselves out of the equation and our mindset has nothing to do with a defense against personal attack, the ideas burn more brightly, but I am sure you know this. Nuance has power.

end of inconsequential personal observation.









If you saw Hillary's concession speech perhaps you heard from the back of the room the chants from Wall Street employees 'Lock her up lock her up.'.

The contagious arrogant hateful characteristic of the Trump campaign lends itself to the disintegration of civility and civilization. A concession speech is not sacrosanct but is a respected tradition.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 08:11 AM

If I'm wrong and your aversion arises from being surrounded by them

I'm up to my neck in 'em, Kevin, and I'm sick of 'em. Expect I'll become even MORE sick of 'em as things play out.

Apology unnecessary, but appreciated.

Even among those who voted for Brexit there appear to be remarkably few who view the man with anything but amused contempt.

The last thing that POS is, is "amusing"; as will become more apparent as time passes, even on your side of the pond. Wait for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 07:17 AM

Donuel, I do not attack McGrath, so I don't know what that was supposed to be about. Bobad posted some flowery mush from Joan Baez and, yesterday, some nonsense from a "liberal Muslim" in a right-wing Israeli newspaper (in another thread that is doubtless being studiously avoided by a few people reading this). My view is that both pieces were just waffle, so I said so. On this occasion I was not attacking Bobad except to observe that he's getting rather good at digging up waffle. You've seen a lot worse here. If you really want to leap to his defence, your privilege of course, then I suggest you read some of the attacks he routinely makes on me, Jim and others first so that you can get a better perspective. Now, back to reality if you don't mind...


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 06:39 AM

WORTH READING
Full text put up on 'Apology' thread
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 02:51 AM

I remember when JFK was interviewed not long after he took office. He was asked what was his biggest surprise so far? He said, How little REAL power the President has.

You can bet that Twump, the Twitter, will have a rude awakening.


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Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Nov 16 - 02:27 AM

I hope and pray you're right, Ebbie.

I suspect his megalomania will cause him to explode when he finds he's just a figurehead, and that Men in Suits in the shadows are the ones who actually run the show.

Roll on the day.


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