BS: The election results show

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 07:33 AM

Well he can shun climate change initiatives but I doubt that he can turn things around in a mere four years so that fossil fuel use goes through the roof. Let's hope it doesn't turn into eight...

The Democrats had better start finding some decent candidates to choose from fast. At least we know that Hillary won't be one of them as she'll be in jail.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 07:37 AM

"It could have been worse!"
Yup - it could have been you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 07:47 AM

After the Brexit referendum debacle, the UK was the laughing-stock of the world. The Yanks just took our title away from us.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Jason Xion Wang
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 07:48 AM

Trump is a weirdo but no Adolf Hitler because he doesn't like war. And he is not the kind of person who could really change something.

Let's see what he'll do after he gets in office. I hope he will be a good president and it's still possible.

People should immigrate legally. No?

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 07:50 AM

You know all those things that the liberals here posted after the 2008 election, when the Democrats won the Presidency, the Senate, and the House?

Consider that I am posting them all to you now.





"You'll have to pass the legislation in order to find out what is in it."

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Jason Xion Wang
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 07:55 AM

I've seen quite a few Trump supporters feeling lucky that it was Hillary who was chosen by the Democrats, because it's clear to them that Donald Trump has no chance to win against Bernie Sanders.

The Democrats asked for trouble and troubles find them.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 08:16 AM

I am more embarrassed than I was by Bush' "win".

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 08:27 AM

At least Bush was pretty lazy. Trump appears horribly energetic.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 08:28 AM

And not in a nice way...

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: bobad
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 08:31 AM

Citizenship and Immigration Canada's website crashed last night.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: olddude
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 08:56 AM

Good example of how bigotry and racism is alive and well in America. The whole country drank the coolaid.. Ugh

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Lanfranc
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 09:01 AM

I will try not to indulge too much in schadenfreude, but I am amused to read how little self-styled Democratic Party supporters believe in democracy.

It gets lonely here unless one toes the prevailing arrogant, intolerant line, so back to the music again for me. Akhnaton must be a glutton for punishment, but "sticks and stones may break my bones..."

Alan

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 09:46 AM

Trump is... no Adolf Hitler

No, but a good number of his followers are. Its 1933 in AmeriKKKa.

if he doesn't restore the rust belt industries with full payrolls there are going to be an awful lot of blue collar ex-workers who are going to be awfully pissed-off.

That's WHEN he doesn't Kevin - he can't restore them. And the pissed-of morons will blame anyone but Trump.

Alan, it appears that Clinton won the popular vote - if you want to discuss "democracy".

Looks like Mencken was right on the money (but I suspect he wouldnt be at all happy about it) -

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

― H.L. Mencken

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 10:05 AM

Disagreeing with an election result doesn't mean disagreeing with democracy, Lanfranc. In fact it's an essential principle of democracy that people ought to be free to do so.
.......
Stuff like "pissed-off morons" is the kind of talk that should be left to the nastier type of Trump supporter to use.

Aside from the fact that "moron" ought to be a term given the same treatment as 'nigger", it's arrogant and fails to recognise the real desperation that pushed a lot of ordinary decent people to vote for Trump. It's pretty well accepted that if Sanders had been standing quite a few of them would have much preferred to go for him.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 10:41 AM

It's pretty well accepted that if Sanders had been standing quite a few of them would have much preferred to go for him.

You've just made my point for me, Kevin. Picking Trump because they couldn't pick Sanders is a perfect example of moronism.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Jason Xion Wang
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 10:41 AM

Mr. Sanders might have foreseen this outcome when he made the decision to publicly endorse HRC, someone who is "not qualified for president". I must admit that I felt sick when a lot of former Sanders supporters eventually turn out to think that "Hillary Clinton is the best candidate ever".

I still hold the view that Trump has no chance if Bernie were the one nominated.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 10:43 AM

I still hold the view that Trump has[sic] no chance if Bernie were the one nominated.

And you're 100% wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 11:06 AM

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/11/word-bernie-voters-dontblamemeivotedforbernie-161109100731420.html

"Donald Trump's victory in the US presidential election came as a shock to many Democrats, some Republicans and generally a whole lot of people around the world, but not to the supporters of the Vermont senator who lost the Democratic nomination to Hillary Clinton in June.

The campaign of Sanders repeatedly argued that Clinton was not fit to be a presidential candidate due to her track record of political scandals, as well as her Wall Street and corporate ties."

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: meself
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 11:06 AM

Is it too soon to start marketing the "Don't blame me; I didn't vote for that jackass" tee-shirts?

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Jason Xion Wang
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 11:06 AM

Picking HRC over Bernie Sanders is a perfect example of moronism too.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 11:25 AM

Picking HRC over Bernie Sanders is a perfect example of moronism too.

Pssst: End of the day, Bernie wasn't running. And he had endorsed Clinton.

Or are you calling Bernie a moron, too?

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 11:28 AM

Beardie quoting Al Jazeera. It truly IS the end of the world. Next thing Bubo will join HAMAS.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Mooh
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 11:32 AM

Roughly half of the USA chose a narcissistic, sexist, racist, misogynist, lying abuser with delusions of grandeur and a persecution complex. So what if he wasn't of the political establishment? If one was choosing deliberately from those outside of the political establishment, one could easily find better than Trump.

So, if the president elect is a reflection of the electorate, the ugly American majority just got elected.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 12:05 PM

To clarify a Steve remark "it is old white men who voted for..."

It was white men and women who lost their homes through Wall Street fraud, it was all men men and women who lost their jobs from Bill Clinton's NAFTA. When Bill went to the right the die was cast for this future. We all feel that what is expedient for a Clinton to succeed is not what is always good for America.

Trump's wisdom was basically seeing the economic destruction of uneducated Americans and their seething historic racism exacerbated by a black President, despite the fact that Obama was the saving grace for an auto industry that would have totally disappeared without Barak.

The KKK and Nazis endorsed trump. In the US only 4 tenths of 1% identify as Nazis and Klan Groups are intermixed with gun militias.
They will enter society with a bit more legitimacy but the USA as a whole will strive to be a free democracy. Trump hate is not all of who we are, it is what we have lost in jobs and homes, wars and fortune to the very rich.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 12:16 PM

Life is full of cruel ironies. Did you know the official hymn of the KKK is Amazing Grace?

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 12:17 PM

Being on the West end of the country I had dinner at a Chinese buffet underneath a flat screen TV with the returns coming in. I began to feel concern when Florida was going Trump but the commentators went on and on about waiting for the returns from Broward County. Then North Carolina and Virginia weren't going HRC.

It was a plumb astonishing show of things going 'wrong' by a little bit but everywhere.

The USA has 'BREXITed' in a big way.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 12:36 PM

GregtrF,

Beardie quoting Al Jazeera."

As I have stated, I try to look at all sides for information, not just the narrow-mined sources that YOU seem to use.



MG,

". Calling them dumbfickistan,.racist twats and.deplorables helped him win. "

Probably helped some- You can give some credit to individuals like GregtrF: If someone of his ilk supports something, one MUST have serious reservations about it.

Certainly made me go out and vote, and make sure all my friends did.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 12:39 PM

The sun will come up tomorrow at the speed of light, massive solar flares move much slower and will arrive later.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 01:03 PM

And talking of show,
Where is Jerry Springer when you miss him?
"Take good care of yourselves and each other...."

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: bobad
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 01:44 PM

The view of a liberal Muslim:

"In our sanctimony, our outrage, our righteousness, we overlook the way in which we appear to the other. The fact is that populism is not only rising on the right.

The hard left, too, is angry, scared and increasingly vitriolic. Many on the left are displaying the very traits they disparage the right for exhibiting. Fear is well and truly on the march.

Yes, we are scared. But they – Trump voters – are scared, too. Blaming and shaming them will only scare them more. And people do not go on to do good things when they are scared. The 1930s stand as a vivid testament to this truth.

We liberals must grieve this election loss, yes. We must mourn, then accept, and reflect on the outcome. But, most of all, we must then act to dissipate this fear among Trump supporters themselves. And that cannot happen, will not happen, if we are scared ourselves. Shouting, insulting and finger-pointing at a moment like this rarely changes opinions, but neither does pretending there is no problem."

Maajid Nawaz

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 01:49 PM

Waffle.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 02:53 PM

Calling them dumbfickistan,racist twats and deplorables helped him win.

Yup- because they were in fact, and are in fact, dumbfucks, racist twats and deplorables (I hope you recognize yourself, Beardie) they took offense.

Don't make 'em any less dumbfucks, racist twats, white supremecists, ignorant morons and deplorables.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 03:29 PM

And this from the mudcat poster who looked at "Black, and a Democrat", and claimed he read it as "Dumb Ni**er"


AND lied about who had even posted the statement.


But that seems to be accepted here, as long as the liar is a good Liberal.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 03:35 PM

Do note that 59,626,052 Americans are NOT dumbfucks. It was asked elsewhere if Ms. Clinton had "too much baggage". Perhaps... but also too much mud thrown at her as lies & innuendo.

When anyone win an election despite being an obvious racist and sexual predator, there's a lot to analyze......

I'm too tired and bewildered right now.... but I'll bet that a few million smug folks will be laughing out of the other side of their mouths in a few years.... after the Republicans have REALLY rigged future elections with more Gerrymandering, far-right judges, voter restrictions and deportations.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 04:00 PM

I tend not to agree with bruce on much, but I'd agree with him about the value of Greg's attitude.

As for the quote bodad gave, that strikes me as right on.

Someone who seems to have read this right all along is Michael Moore, who predicted Trump's victory, and understood where it would come from, while doing his best to prevent it.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 04:50 PM

Aw the shame....did the big bad man spoil the party?

"An' all the Federales say, we could've won it any day,
We only let it slip away outa kindness ah suppose"(

To the "liberal political elite")
Wake up and smell the coffee, people across the world are sick of two faced, hypocritical, would be liberal politicians.
They want real representation to give them jobs, food on the table and self worth, not to be fobbed of by non issues.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:23 PM

I tend not to agree with bruce on much, but I'd agree with him about the value of Greg's attitude.

Well then Kevin, as much as it pains me to do so, as over the years you've posted a great deal of intelligent common sense which I wholehearedly agreed with and assumed you to be a decent sort, I will now have to rank you with the dumbfucks, racist twats, white supremecists, ignorant morons and deplorables who are happy to see this piece of semi-human garbage in the White House.

Pity.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:36 PM

Greg, you are being extremely undemocratic, and insulting to a member who keeps his insults very well hidden :0)

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 05:42 PM

But they – Trump voters – are scared, too.

Asolutly.

Sacred white supremecists.

Sarged bigots.

Sacred neo-Nazis.

Sacred racists.

Sarced uneducated jackasses.

Sacred Islamophobes

Sacred anti-government militia members a la Bundy.

Sacred morons.

Of course, it is their constitutional right- which I will defend unto death- to embrace, support and vote for this piece of human garbage as long as they don't maintain, claim or pretend that he is NOT a piece of human garbage.

At the very least they should be homest about it.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:05 PM

One point that doesn't seem to have been given much attention is that in fact more people voted for Clinton than voted for Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:09 PM

Most sentient beings have given it plenty of attention, Kevin, if you bother to check.

Stick with those sacred racists & white supremecists.

Embrace the piece of crap that will adorn the White House.

Subject: Lyr Add: Lament for a Lost Election (Tom Paxton)
From: Jason Xion Wang
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:10 PM

Lament for a Lost Election

Shit!

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 06:42 PM

Way back in 1980, Not The Nine O'clock News did a great song lamenting the election of Reagan. I don't know how to do the link, but you'll get it if you google "Not The Nine O'clock News I believe." What goes around comes around!

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 07:18 PM

I'm happy being more or less of the same mind as Michael Moore on these matters, Greg.
...........................

I seem to have come across a fair number of comments, both in the media and in this thread, on the lines not so much of "why did people vote for Trump?" as "why did the American people vote for Trump?". Or even suggesting it's undemocratic to object because "the people voted for Trump". That's why it is relevant to remind ourselves of the fact more of them actually voted for Clinton.

Even if it offends Greg's sentient beings to be gratuitously reminded of it.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: bobad
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 07:43 PM

While profoundly mourning the election of Donald Trump, I can see that we as progressives have failed to listen to our brethren on "the other side." Worthy people who have been so desperate for a change in their lives they were willing to vote for a man whom many of them know is a scoundrel in every possible sense of the word. I need not enumerate his defects.

Typical of the "elite," I did not spend time talking to, or simply being with, Trump supporters. I have only grumbled from the sidelines about what a nightmare It would be for us all if "they" prevailed. They did, and for many of us, it is.

I have no solutions to watching pieces fall into place in a shockingly new dark puzzle.

For now, I will expand my vegetable garden. I will get my hands in the earth, pray, watch things grow, and honor Michelle Obama, as her garden, like many beautiful things we have created, may not survive the process of "making our country great again."

On the other hand, it's worth reaching out to the new administration to suggest keeping a magnificent, bi-partisan cornucopia of fruits and vegetables flourishing as a gesture of mending a fraction of the damage done to each other by not listening.

-Joan Baez

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 07:58 PM

More waffle. You're getting good at waffle.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: michaelr
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 08:02 PM

"The sun will come up tomorrow at the speed of light"

No, the sun will come up tomorrow at the speed of the Earth's rotation.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 08:08 PM

Typical of the "elite," I did not spend time talking to, or simply being with, Trump supporters.

Ah, but then you see, Boo, there IS no talking with "Trump supporters" since they have no connection with fact or reality- attempting to engage them in rationl discourse is an exercise in futility.

For example, the woman interviewed on NPR who couldn't vote for Clinton because she was untruthful - when each and every time Trumpshit opened his mouth for the past twelve months all he produced were lies upon lies.

So by all means embrace this piece of garbage that will pollute the White House.

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 09:08 PM

there IS no talking with "Trump supporters" since they have no connection with fact or reality- attempting to engage them in rationl discourse is an exercise in futility.

I somehow get the impression from the way you express yourself Greg that you are unlikely to have actually talked to any Trump supporters. If I'm wrong and your aversion arises from being surrounded by them, I apologise.

(Nor have I, but living in England the occasion has not arisen. Even among those who voted for Brexit there appear to be remarkably few who view the man with anything but amused contempt.)

Subject: RE: BS: The election results show
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 16 - 09:24 PM

Greg your anger should be expressed
HOWEVER

You could easily portray an Anti Colbert. You are not helping, but it is possible you don't want to help.

Steve, I am not stupid. I was hoping that more people would take a second look at their own egos and claims of superiority.
Although they do not need it I come o the defense of bobad and McGrath.
Steve you are a nice enough bloke but unlike McGrath and bobad I have seen evidence you are not as superior as you think you are. Use your wisdom and strategy man. Drop the waffle remarks, I do not think it applies the way you think it does .

In the US a civil war within each party will sort out priorities and strategies to better reflect and provide our peoples needs. Both parties have been divided and conqurered by the Goldman Sachs of America.

Soon the disenfranchised Trump supporters will have no one to blame but themselves when the promised jobs are already irretrievably taken by automated robots.

Steve one of your strength might be knowing the many historic examples of what 'seemed like a good idea at the time'.





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