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BS: Theresa May's new year message

Keith A of Hertford 11 Jan 17 - 05:45 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Jan 17 - 05:50 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Jan 17 - 06:05 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Jan 17 - 06:10 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Jan 17 - 06:16 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Jan 17 - 06:25 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Jan 17 - 06:28 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Jan 17 - 06:33 AM
Keith A of Hertford 11 Jan 17 - 06:45 AM
Jim Carroll 11 Jan 17 - 06:46 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Jan 17 - 06:51 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Jan 17 - 06:53 AM
Jim Carroll 11 Jan 17 - 07:49 AM
Jim Carroll 11 Jan 17 - 08:41 AM
Teribus 11 Jan 17 - 08:59 AM
Nigel Parsons 11 Jan 17 - 09:11 AM
Jim Carroll 11 Jan 17 - 09:13 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Jan 17 - 09:14 AM
Teribus 11 Jan 17 - 10:23 AM
Keith A of Hertford 11 Jan 17 - 10:47 AM
Jim Carroll 11 Jan 17 - 10:59 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Jan 17 - 11:05 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Jan 17 - 01:33 PM
Teribus 11 Jan 17 - 02:29 PM
Steve Shaw 11 Jan 17 - 07:03 PM
Teribus 12 Jan 17 - 01:53 AM
Dave the Gnome 12 Jan 17 - 03:53 AM
Keith A of Hertford 12 Jan 17 - 04:20 AM
Jim Carroll 12 Jan 17 - 05:02 AM
Steve Shaw 12 Jan 17 - 07:27 AM
akenaton 12 Jan 17 - 07:41 AM
Jim Carroll 12 Jan 17 - 08:01 AM
Jim Carroll 12 Jan 17 - 08:16 AM
akenaton 12 Jan 17 - 08:27 AM
Keith A of Hertford 12 Jan 17 - 08:34 AM
Jim Carroll 12 Jan 17 - 10:09 AM
Teribus 12 Jan 17 - 10:29 AM
Jim Carroll 12 Jan 17 - 10:47 AM
Dave the Gnome 12 Jan 17 - 11:18 AM
Nigel Parsons 12 Jan 17 - 11:29 AM
Jim Carroll 12 Jan 17 - 11:48 AM
Keith A of Hertford 12 Jan 17 - 12:54 PM
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Keith A of Hertford 12 Jan 17 - 01:38 PM
Jim Carroll 12 Jan 17 - 02:52 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 05:45 AM

Dave,
the Ukip leader said: "Let me be clear ? Ukip is not a racist party
Ah, OK. It must be true then...


No. His opinion, like yours, counts for nothing if not supported by evidence.
Perhaps Farage is a racist, but no conclusive evidence for such a serious accusation has yet been found by any of you.

If UKIP itself is racist, then racism would be in its manifesto.
I failed to find any. How about you?


Sorry, Keith. The voices must have been saying things to me again.


About what Dave?


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 05:50 AM

You tell me, Keith. It was you who first said it was the voices that told me! Not forgotten already have you? I won't :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 06:05 AM

I must give you full credit for this stroke of genius though, Keith

If UKIP itself is racist, then racism would be in its manifesto.

I should have thought of it myself first.

The Labour party cannot be antisemitic. It is not in it's manifesto.
The Monster Raving Loony Party cannot be taking the piss. In is not in their manifesto.
Football coaches cannot be paedopholes. It is not their contract.

The possibilities are endless! :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 06:10 AM

Try to not be silly, Keith. What a vote-winner it would surely be if a political party stated that "we are racists" in its manifesto! I mean, how long have you been around? Don't you know how these things are done? We won't know if someone's racist unless they tell us themselves that they are?

"Nige, are you a racist or are you not?"

"Of course not!"

"Oh, that's all right then! Pint?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 06:16 AM

Well done, Dave. You beat me to it.

Two laughing stocks in the same thread within an hour or two. Doubt whether Teribus or Keith will give up any time soon though. Maybe we should!

By the way, Dave, I watched that thing on the telly last night about getting Barnsley dancing and noticed that they're doing Skipton next week. Are you in it by any chance, or just not going to admit it? 😜


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 06:25 AM

Ooooh - No. Didn't see it. We do have an annual clog fest in Skipton already so maybe dancing is endemic in this neck of the woods. I'll keep my eye open for it. It is on the BBCs manifesto?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 06:28 AM

Don't they disguise themselves in Yorkshire so that no-one will know who isn't putting money in the collecting tins?


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 06:33 AM

Aye 'appen :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 06:45 AM

Dave,

The Labour party cannot be antisemitic. It is not in it's manifesto.


Exactly true. It has a serious problem with some of its members, but the party itself can not be said to be anti-Semitic and no-one has suggested it is.

A footballer's contract is different. A manifesto sets out the aims and views of the Party.

Steve,
Keith. What a vote-winner it would surely be if a political party stated that "we are racists" in its manifesto!

It would not be. British people would shun it, but UKIP is very popular.
Parties set out their beliefs and aims in their manifesto.
If there is nothing racist in it, how do you know they are racist Steve?
Presumably not voices telling you, so where does your belief come from?
If it is based on no actual facts, it is just prejudice against holders of different views to your own.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 06:46 AM

"putting money in the collecting tins?"
Collecting tins in Yorkshire - now there's a waste of time!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 06:51 AM

If it is based on no actual facts, it is just prejudice against holders of different views to your own.

And here we come full circle again. The facts have been given. You refuse to accept them. No point in continuing.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 06:53 AM

You're a Christian, Keith. By their fruits shall we know them. And don't start all that again, please. It's too boring for words. Nigel stood proudly in front of a racist poster too similar for comfort to a Nazi one. That'll do me. Low-hanging fruit if ever there was any.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 07:49 AM

"And here we come full circle again."
And if you let it, it will just go round in ever-decreasing circles until it disappears, that's how this guy works - you give him facts, he pretends you haven't
He really doesn't have anything sensible to say on anything
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 08:41 AM

It's just been announced that evidence has arisen suggesting "improper links between Donald Trump and Russia" and that he may have been subject to blackmail by them, regarding "unusual sexual practices", when he was involved in a beauty contest there (hope for Ake's sake that this didn't involve homosexuality!!)   
Wonder what Theresa's message will be to him when she meets him in the Spring; "C'mon big boy, let's see what you've got" maybe!!
Who was it said we get the leaders we deserve!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 08:59 AM

I am supposed to be concerned or take any serious notice of jibes from a couple of so-called "socialists" who believe in "pecking orders" and who sneeringly refer to those going about their business and working for a living as "lackeys" - you simply just couldn't make it up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 09:11 AM

"putting money in the collecting tins?"
Collecting tins in Yorkshire - now there's a waste of time!!
Jim Carroll


If Yorkshiremen were a distinct race that would be overt racism. As it is it's a slur against the people of Yorkshire.


This just shows how easy it is to step across that line!


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 09:13 AM

"pecking orders"
It was a joke when I said it - you've confirmed it to be not too far from the mark
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 09:14 AM

If you work for a parasite and go round from door to door collecting money that should never be collected, lackey is actually a fairly kind word to describe you. "I'm just following orders..." Ring a bell?


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 10:23 AM

Take it that when your Dad moved in he knew full well what had to be paid and to whom? Your almost gleeful description of his graceless and boorish behaviour demeans no-one but him. In your case I see that the apple did not fall far from the tree. Tell me is it a default position for former union activists when faced with any opposition or criticism to threaten to set people onto your perceived opponent?

"Pecking orders", "Lackeys", threats and demands to get people banned from posting - my, my what belief in equality and freedom of speech.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 10:47 AM

Dave,
The facts have been given.

No fact has been given that could remotely justify those accusations.
If that is not true, repeat one now.

Prove me wrong.
Put up such a fact now and you will shut me up for good.
What is stopping you?
Bring it on.

Put it up and show me up.
If you can't, it will prove that you have failed miserably and ignominiously to make a case.

Steve,
Nigel stood proudly in front of a racist poster too similar for comfort to a Nazi one.

It was a current news image, and similar could be seen in all the media at that time.
Whatever you might think it was "similar too" you have failed utterly to show that it was anything but a legitimate highlighting of the EU's incompetence on the migration crisis.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 10:59 AM

""Pecking orders""
As I said a joke, but one I would have made much earlier and more vehemently if I had known how deeply it would sting.
As far as getting people banned - I asked a forum fairy to do something about a troll who was spitting vitriolic venom at those who disagreed with him - it worked a charm, as did my reproducing your ongoing insulting and abusive posts aimed at anybody who disagree with you.
Nice to know that this is the behaviour that should be permissable on a debate forum though
What did you just say to Steve "graceless and boorish behaviour demeans no-one but him."
"Know thyself", as Polonious was occasionally heard to remark.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 11:05 AM

I have repeated them over and over again. You just refuse to accept it.

I'll try once again.

Saying he would be uncomfortable living next to Romanians
Using a poster of immigrants in the same way Nazi Germany portrayed Jews
Saying he would axe much of race discrimination law

There are three that I know you will say are not racist at all. Other people think differently. Different moralities. Different language. Different planet.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 01:33 PM

Teribus, PLEASE tell me that you didn't really believe I was going to set my 93-year-old dad on you.


Bwahahahahaha!


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 02:29 PM

Of course I didn't Shaw - you never ever mean a single word you ever post - judging by the codswallop you post if you ever actually did believe it you'd have been sectioned years ago.

Joke Carroll?? The first time you mentioned it was in one of your spittle-flecked rants where you expressed your astonishment that anyone would dare to challenge the veracity of your "Made-Up-Shit" and were attempting to "put me in my place" - needless to say you failed.

So far it would appear that only one of our leftie "usual suspects" is even interested in giving the new Conservative Leader and Prime Minister a chance and that for all the posts on this thread no-one has managed to provide any evidence that either UKIP, as a political Party, or Nigel Farage as it's former leader and UK MEP is racist. It would also appear that Labour is the Party that is totally clueless on what to do next.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 17 - 07:03 PM

Well, Teribus, I post on Mudcat about all manner of things, Morris, big trees, Planxty, Christy, Woody Guthrie, Spanish Civil War songs, Irish music, the joke thread, geology, the weather, garden birds, organic gardening, life in Cornwall, taking the piss out of Yorkshiremen, recipes, classical music, astronomy, wild flowers, pop music, playing the harmonica and, well, I forget. I suppose it all means that "I never ever mean a single word I ever post - judging by the codswallop I post if I ever actually did believe it I'd have been sectioned years ago." Etcetera. The thing is, Teribus, and I hate to use that grossly-overused word "ironic," but it's ironic you can even dream of castigating anyone else for being boorish then post that incredibly, well, BOORISH post. You seem to have that old-man bitter thing about never seeing the light side of anything and serially getting hold of the wrong end of the stick. So I've changed my mind. I'm setting my 93-year-old dad on you after all. Send me your postcode, please.

And, by the way, you yourself don't really do much above the line, do you? Not that you have to, of course. Not a sackable offence. Just thought I'd mention it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 01:53 AM

Since when has stating plain unvarnished fact been considered boorish Shaw? As to posting history your philosophy would appear to be "Never mind the quality feel the width". I rarely post above the line as I rarely see the need for me to do so, oddly enough as far as the music side of things go I find myself in agreement and in accord with practically everything Jim Carroll says about the Folk Music of the British Isles. Below the line what prompts me to post is behaviour such as yours on certain subjects that indicate to me that you are an intolerant, totally biased, bully and I take great pleasure in knocking down your rather clichéd and ill-informed arguments.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 03:53 AM

no-one has managed to provide any evidence that either UKIP, as a political Party, or Nigel Farage as it's former leader and UK MEP is racist.

Not you as well, Teribus! There has been plenty of evidence of racism from both. The issue is that neither you nor Keith seem to see it as racist while many others do. We do therefore have an impasse and there really is no point continuing.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 04:20 AM

Dave, of your 3 facts,
Saying he would be uncomfortable living next to Romanians
Using a poster of immigrants in the same way Nazi Germany portrayed Jews
Saying he would axe much of race discrimination law



The first was only introduced in the last couple of days. Farage gave entirely rational and non-racist reasons for it which you all ignore, obviously.

The third is entirely new! Please tell us about it.

The second is the poster. UKIP is first and foremost an anti-EU Party.
At that time the greatest EU crisis was the turmoil on the borders caused by its incompetent handling of the migrant crisis.
That is the context that you ignore and pretend did not exist.
In that context the poster is a perfectly reasonable way to highlight the problem and just used an off the shelf news image such as we were seeing every day at the time.

Your outrage is purely manufactured.
You have acknowledged that the views, values and aims of UKIP as laid out in its manifesto contains no racism, so;

1. In what sense is it racist?
2. How can you tell?


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 05:02 AM

Can we not allow this topic to be once again driven into oblivion?
It's bad enough with Keith doing his Iwo Jima act and raising the Flag for Farage ("who he does nor support"!!!) with his circular arguments.
Now we're back to Teribus strutting his stuff.
For crying out loud, let's move on - the world's full of more important eejits to deal with without growing our own
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 07:27 AM

If Theresa May ever posted to threads like this she'd be firmly in the Keith/Teribus axis' camp. Deny, deny, deny. She denied that the immigration promise had been a promise when she was Home Secretary once the government had failed to keep it by approximately tenfold. She denied the fiasco over border controls. Now she's denying the crisis in the NHS. We haven't even had a flu outbreak this winter - God help us if we do get one. Privatisation driven by ideology, under-investment, lack of training of doctors and nurses, staggering short-sightedness, GP services a shambles, waiting times rocketing, bed-blocking due to lack of decent care services, thousands of patients waiting for hours or days on trolleys. They inherited an NHS in good nick in 2010. Now it's going down the pan, fast. Yesterday they were blaming GPs for not working every hour God sends. You couldn't make it up. Except that they do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 07:41 AM

The problems in the NHS lie in more than the funding issue....much deeper than that, the problems lie within society itself and have become to large for any government to deal with.

By far the largest problem is the desire bleed the system, it is practiced by drugs companies, GPs, consultants, management on all levels......and yes I am sorry to say the public, especially through the social work depts., which have become a huge industry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 08:01 AM

"and yes I am sorry to say the public"
Yeah - isn't it disgusting that poor people get sick?
Lumping the public in with all the rest is as sick as it gets
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 08:16 AM

Ake
It might help to avoid slanging matches if you could explain how patients are to blame for helping wreck the health service (with linked evidence, of course)
I assume your reference to "social work departments" means those groups working with the most needy - total waste of time, of course!!
Interesting that your comments should come at exactly the same time as your friend Trump's supporters are beginning to dismantle affordable medicine in America without an alternative - a "pay or die" policy.
They have also announced that the wall between the U.S and Mexico is to be started as soon as possible - maybe Britain might pick up some tips there?
A real Brave New ******* World
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 08:27 AM

Jim, I'm sorry to spoil your illusion, but the "public" now have rights and a large number of them make full use of these rights to get as much as they can.

There are dozens of examples that I could quote, as a friend works in the "care industry"

One disabled person a few months ago received full social funding to erect a substantial access ramp to his front door. The cost was over £10,000, but on completion of the work the "customer" complained that the ramping must be continued right round the house to aloe separate access to the back door.....he threatened action on alleged discrimination when the funding was refused....and almost immediately the ramp was extended at a further cost of £25,000.

The cost to the taxpayer of care for the elderly is colossal...due in no small part to the lack of any sort of responsibility by family members.....let the social take care of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 08:34 AM

Steve,
Deny, deny, deny.

I have not denied anything!
I just ask you to justify your claims against UKIP, but you can't.

Dave,
Saying he (Farage) would axe much of race discrimination law

There is nothing in UKIP manifesto about that, so where did you get it from Dave?
It is not true, so did you make it up or imagine it?

None of you have been able to provide any facts to support your accusations of racism.
If you did I would join you in condemnation.

The only conclusion it is that you are just prejudiced against any organisation with views that differ from yours, but lacking any arguments you resort to smear and slander.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 10:09 AM

"Jim, I'm sorry to spoil your illusion, but the "public" now have rights and a large number of them make full use of these rights to get as much as they can."
I asked for evidence - not opinion
Can you link us to something that confirms this?
"Dozens of examples" - Jesus that is serious
How many people use the NHS exactly
You are holding Trump's banner very firmly in your sweaty little hands
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 10:29 AM

Keith A, Akenaton, you obviously forget that what is required as proof and substantiation to back any case either of you put forward is completely different to what is required from the likes of Steve Shaw, Jim Carroll, DtG and the rest of the "usual suspects", should any ever be required at all {Not that they ever feel as though they have to substantiate any claim they make}. In the case of Jim Carroll he does not have the foggiest notion what actually does constitute "evidence" and relies solely on quoting "opinions" that match his own and calling it "fact".


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 10:47 AM

I put up researched evidence from recognised sources - the only quesionable feature of it is it bursts your unqualified and unbacked up opinions
The few times you ever link to anything have proved utter disasters, which presumably why you never do
Ake's latest offering is Tory Chinese whisper information straight from the sewer press -
I've been reading about predatory, lazy, stupid workers all my life from that particular source
"Dozens of examples" - you couldn't make it up!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 11:18 AM

The third is entirely new! Please tell us about it.

There is nothing in UKIP manifesto about that, so where did you get it from Dave?
It is not true, so did you make it up or imagine it?


There you go again, Keith. Suggesting I have some sort of mental illness. Maybe you need to adjust your medication?

Nigel Farage would axe 'much of' race discrimination law

Now, will you explain why you think I am mentally ill and why you keep suggesting it on here? Not that I expect anything like a reasonable answer from you...

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 11:29 AM

From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 10:47 AM
I put up researched evidence from recognised sources -

"Recognised sources". I suppose that includes the Daily Telegraph, The BBC, The Daily Mail, The Sun & Al-jazeera.
All recognised sources. But I'm sure there would be arguments about which are "reliable sources". Perhaps using reliable sources might be a better aim.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 11:48 AM

Not sute what you are saying Nigel (you tend not to explain yourself)
I neber quote from Al-jazeera as the people I argue with seem to believe that Arabs aren't entitled to an opinion.
I very seldom use The sun (except when I am taken short and there's no toilet paper) - occasionally it's useful as when it takes a pop at the establishment, you can take it as read that it wouldn't do so if it were avoidable- likewise the Mail.
Both are right-wing tabloid rags.
The Telegraph is handy as it is a serious paper when you take into consideration where it is coming from.
I scan all the press, either for information or to find out which way the wind blows
These people offer nothing but their own opinions and I know which way the wind blows with them
What on earth is your point?
I didn't get an answer to whether you believed I think Jews to be mentally deficient - neither a yes or no, certainly not a retraction.
I suppose we have to learn to live with hit-and-run debate
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 12:54 PM

Jim,
I put up researched evidence from recognised sources

Remind us what those recognised sources were, with the evidence of their research, if you are not lying again Jim.

The few times you ever link to anything have proved utter disasters, which presumably why you never do

Remind us of such a disaster, if you are not lying again Jim.
Remember, we made no claims or accusations, so have nothing to defend.

You all made lots but can not defend any.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 01:08 PM

Dave,
You claimed that Farage said,
he would axe much of race discrimination law

He never did.
According to your link he was accused only of saying, "UKIP would scrap much of the legislation designed to prevent racial discrimination in work" which is not "much of race discrimination law."
He did not even say that either.

From your link,
"Mr Farage told the BBC his remarks, recorded last autumn, had been "wilfully misinterpreted", saying he was talking about nationality not race.
Speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today Programme he said he was making the point that employers should be able to discriminate in favour of British workers.
"I didn't mention race at all. There was no part of that interview which I ever said it at all.
"What I said was that I do believe there should be a presumption for British employers in favour of them employing British people as opposed to somebody from Poland. That is exactly what I said," he added"

"British Jobs for British workers."
That was the last Labour Prime Minister, not Farage.
Either they are both racists or neither are.
Which is it Dave?

Either way your original claim was false according to your own link.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 01:38 PM

Dave, Corbyn spoke recently of banning exclusive advertising of jobs abroad, so he also believes, " there should be a presumption for British employers in favour of them employing British people as opposed to somebody from Poland."

So, are they all racists Dave, or are your accusations of racism just baseless bollocks?


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 02:52 PM

"You claimed that Farage said,
he would axe much of race discrimination law
He never did."
Ukip would scrap laws designed to stop racial discrimination in the workplace, leader Nigel Farage has said.
The Ukip leader said existing laws were out of date and that British society had moved on, making the discrimination laws redundant.
Farage called it "ludicrous" that employers could not favour a British national for a role over a foreigner.
Speaking in a Channel 4 documentary to be broadcast next week, Farage said: "I think the employer should be much freer to make decisions on who she or he employs.
"I think the situation that we now have, where an employer is not allowed to choose between a British-born person and somebody from Poland, is a ludicrous state of affairs.

"I would argue that the law does need changing, and that if an employer wishes to choose, or you can use the word 'discriminate' if you want to, but wishes to choose to employ a British-born person, they should be allowed to do so."
Critics of Farage's idea said scrapping racial laws in the workplace would set Britain back decades.
Responding to the comments, Downing Street suggested Farage was "wrong and desperate for attention", while Labour MP and potential London mayoral candidate Sadiq Khan said: "When my parents moved to London they frequently saw signs saying 'no blacks, no dogs, no Irish'.
"What UKIP is suggesting would take us back to those days."
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nigel-farage-ukip-would-axe-workplace-race-discrimination-laws-1491569

"That was the last Labour Prime Minister, not Farage."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/513546/Nigel-Farage-British-businesses-put-UK-workers-first
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jan 17 - 05:30 PM

Nitpicking to the extreme once again, Keith. But aside from that, you have never even attempted to explain why you accuse me of making things up. Why is that? Why do you say I hear voices? Why do you intimate that I have some sort of mental illness? It is not something that friends do is it and I thought you one said you was a friend of mine :-(

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Jan 17 - 04:41 AM

Dave,
You claimed that Farage said he would "axe much of race discrimination law" and you were not telling the truth.

The truth is he was only discussing employment law.
Like any country, and like Gordon Brown and Corbyn, he thinks that British nationals (all races) should be given preference over non-British nationals.

That is not racist and not "nitpicking" Dave.
There can be no dispute over what he said because he said it on camera to Ch.4.

You all avoided these questions;
If UKIP's aims and views as laid out in its manifesto contains no racism, in what sense can it be said to be racist?
Why do you all say it is?
Is it not just political rivals attempting to smear because they have nothing else to say?

UKIP points out that current immigration policy is racist because it discriminates against non-Europeans.
They propose a colour blind level playing field for all countries and races.

Dave, when you state things that are not true, I am entitled to ask where they came from.
I have never claimed or asserted that you imagined them. I just asked the question. Did you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jan 17 - 04:45 AM

There seems little point in talking to someone who has made up his (what passes for a) mind and refuses to respond to evidence
For crying out loud, leave him to wallow in his own swill
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Jan 17 - 04:56 AM

But I will respond to evidence if and when it appears Jim.
Have you found some?
Put it up and I will have to respond.


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Subject: RE: BS: Theresa May's new year message
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jan 17 - 05:26 AM

Haven't you disgraced yourself enough with lying about your own racism without lying about Ukip's
For christ sake peope;l - do not feed this troll - he's doing as much damage to himself as he is to the thread
Have a bit of pity
Jim Carroll


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