BS: reign of terror

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 08:56 PM

Jim Carroll: Wind him up and watch him go!


In another thread headlining your favorite topic you got contentious in very much the same words that I drew out of you by merely suggesting 'Pot? Kettle?' Then you posted some extremely nasty song lyrics which were meant to be racist, apparently to tick off some people you were baiting in that thread. Relax, it's not illegal (at least not in the United States, we have a whole amendment about it). But it is suggestive.

You remind me of Rush Limbaugh and his 'thing' about black people. It's like catnip to him, he couldn't keep away from broadcasting songs about Barack Obama being 'magic'.

It's a subject you come round to at the drop of a hat and with no self criticality whatever. Pretty demonstrative IMHO.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 08:14 PM

"You basically re-tweeted a charge of multiple genocides accused against my country"
UNTRIED WAR CRIMES
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 08:06 PM

"Methinks thou dost protest too much"
Methinks you sling your accusations from distance and anonymity and refuse to substantiate them - cowardly and dishonest - two for the proce of one
My offer stands - refuse to take it you and you are a lying antisemite who, despite the clause which specifies that one of the definitions is associating the Jewish people with the actions of Israel, does so whenever Israel is criticises - an antisemite by definition
It's about time this forum got rid of hate-mailers like you - you lower the tone.
Still waiting for one of you people to show how protesting against a misogynistic, racist thug with Russian Mafia connections is seditious and tantamount to "a reign of terror" and attempting to start a civil war, but can't manage to hold my breath much longer.
In Trump's Brave New America maybe, but not yet!!
Still waiting to hear from Ake how being homosexual is threatening family values but encouraging men to "grab women by the pussy" is good, wholesome upholding support of teh family - but don't thinnk we'll ever sort out that particular enigma
What a viciously pathetic crowd you are - not to mention dangerous
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 07:14 PM

Rubbish. First, it wasn't a tweet. I've never done a tweet in my life, in fact I don't know what one is. Second, there is no accusation, either in the article or in my head, of genocide. To be honest, if you want to have sane discussions with people here, you seriously need to ditch your defensiveness, stick your stars'n'stripes in the bin, grab a dictionary and try a little harder to be objective. Otherwise, just move on.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 06:00 PM

Steve Shaw:

You basically re-tweeted a charge of multiple genocides accused against my country. Done up as a 'report'. The height of fake news. I already responded the kind of logic your citation used. It's up to you to justify that unlikely source.
Go hop on another pop.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 05:56 PM

Signs seen at the Women's March on Saturday from the Washington Post.

From the article:

-I Wish My Uterus Shot Bullets So the Government Wouldn't Regulate It

-This P—- Grabs Back

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 05:56 PM

JC:
I've said this to your running mates - I will make a large donation to any named charity if you can show that I have ever at any time attacked or criticised the Jewish people as a whole - I expect the same response from you as I have received from them - silence!
The only antisemites on this forum are those who associate the crimes of Israel with the Jewish people as a whole - you are looking in the wrong direction pal - try a mirror
Jim Carroll
Methinks thou dost protest too much. It's one of your favorite subjects, how bad they are and how much you don't don't like them.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 04:58 PM

You called my post a rant, which it wasn't. The only rant came in your response. The post was a response to the claim that only the protesters were being violent. In view of US foreign policy since WWII l found that rather laughable. You may not like the source or the statistics. That's fine. So tell us what's wrong with them. Responding like you did in a somewhat petulant, defensive and childish manner as you did seems to suggest that you're in denial of the depredations of the US in other people's countries down the decades. Really?

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: keberoxu
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 04:45 PM

...as in James Herriott's Yorkshire Veterinary stories, once again, the resident "mass of dogs was hurtling round and round the lawn..." with the occasional cat making periodic claims to territory.

Before Siegfried and Tristan's resident dog pack wheels around the surgery into view again,
let me remark on the commuter style First Lady.
This is the sort of thing that regular ordinary constituent/citizens mutter about. What kind of First Lady is not a full-time First Lady, installed on Pennsylvania Avenue, with or without children? I don't participate in local coffee klatches hereabouts, but I can just picture the ladies, and the occasional husband, contrasting the First Missus of the moment with Ladies of the past administrations.
I seem to recall -- for me this is hard to recall -- that Jackie Kennedy had very recently suffered a difficult pregnancy and the loss of the baby, but was expected to buckle down and be part of the regime, and she did that, when her husband's term began.

Maintaining the family home outside of the White House while the President is in the White House...what First Lady has done that before? Seriously, am I missing something?

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 03:05 PM

"
They have every right to protest- and when they cross the line into illegal acts, they should be arrested and charged. "
And when they have, they will - I doubt if asny will be charged with sedition for provoking civil war.
Only a supporter of extremism describes protesting as civil war, so where exactly are these insurgents?
"" like instigation of hate and distrust against a massive majority of the American population " LIKE THOSE who voted for Trump?"
If Trump's policies are as I described them, those who support them are guilty of supporting attacks on the majority of the population of America - what's your point in repeating what I have just said?
"Pot? Kettle?"
I've said this to your running mates - I will make a large donation to any named charity if you can show that I have ever at any time attacked or criticised the Jewish people as a whole - I expect the same response from you as I have received from them - silence!
The only antisemites on this forum are those who associate the crimes of Israel with the Jewish people as a whole - you are looking in the wrong direction pal - try a mirror
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 03:01 PM

As for "revolution", this is from UPI:

"According to a Sisters March website, more than 5 million people around the world took to the street on all seven continents in 637 cities around the world.

The idea for the protests began as a Facebook post by a Hawaii grandmother the day after Hillary Clinton's loss in November's election. They called for a "revolution" against the new administration and the Republican-led Congress they fear will roll back reproductive, civil and human rights."

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 02:53 PM

Steve Shaw, you writted:
Not my rant, mate. Just a copy 'n' paste! I left you to do the ranting once you'd read it.

so you're saying you hopped, and I popped? ;-)

BTW if you read my post thoroughly you'll see that I noted your contribution was a "re-post". Just a re-post of somebody ELSE's nonsense.


Welcome to Trumpnation!

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 02:50 PM

As Trump said ( so of course you all disagree):


In a later tweet he commented on the efforts. "Peaceful protests are a hallmark of our democracy," he wrote. "Even if I don't always agree, I recognize the rights of people to express their views."

But since you state Trump is wrong in all things, and should not be given the chance that Obama was ( wrong color skin, I guess), this must not be true.

What a bunch of political bigots!

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 02:49 PM

Jim, you writted:

It can be shown that Trump has targeted sections of the U.S. population - he is a racist and he is a misogynist - non whites and women make up the majority of the US population.
Antisemitic John Bannon has been appointed as part of Trump's team, so he can be said to targeting Jews.

Pot? Kettle?

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 02:31 PM

They have every right to protest- and when they cross the line into illegal acts, they should be arrested and charged.
THIS APPLIES TO ALL SIDES- If you apply it to those supposed Trump supporters, you have to apply it to the Liberals and anarchists as well. The rule of law does not make exceptions ( Umless you are a Hillary supporter.)

" like instigation of hate and distrust against a massive majority of the American population " LIKE THOSE who voted for Trump?

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 02:01 PM

"You have provided no evidence to indicate this"
There isn't a iil war so isn't it up to those who make the suggesion to prove there is one planned?
It can be shown that Trump has targeted sections of the U.S. population - he is a racist and he is a misogynist - non whites and women make up the majority of the US population.
Antisemitic John Bannon has been appointed as part of Trump's team, so he can be said to targeting Jews.
He has claimed that there are two million CRIMINAL ALIENS.
Police are investigating a wave of alleged hate crimes against Muslims, Hispanic Americans, black people, ethnic minorities and the LGBT community in the wake of the US election.
In all, that sounds very much to me like instigation of hate and distrust against a massive majority of the American population - sounds like the road to Civil War to me.
In contrast - until such time this scumbag and his team make protesting illegal, those on the streets are within their legal rights to protest against any or all of the above and anything else that they feel is deserving of attention - we'll see what he and his team come up with.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 01:42 PM

Donuel


"No One is demonstrating against Trump supporters outside his inner circle."

That is not what is seen on the video of the various marches, nor from the comments of those interviewed.




"No one is gunning for bikers for Trump and their wall of meat."

No, they are attacking innocent store owners and burning limos. Pity the poor driver who is just trying to make a living.





"There is no civil war planned by the left."

You have provided no evidence to indicate this- it looks like a revolution to me. Perhaps this was what those of us who did not vote for Obama should have done??? Would you have given us the approval you have these marchers?



"There is no hate campaign against TRUNP FANS who favor hate."

No, only against ALL of those even suspected of voting for Trump. Too bad the Liberals were not able to run a candidate that passed the "smell" test.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: keberoxu
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 12:42 PM

Elmore, that is scary about your better half.
I sincerely hope her recovery is all that you and she would desire. How frightening.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 12:25 PM

Not my rant, mate. Just a copy 'n' paste! I left you to do the ranting once you'd read it. 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 11:45 AM

Yes, Steve, let's all "Hop on Pop".

Your ridiculous rant conflating casualties/ victims/ with highly suspect concepts puts paid to the notion that "alternative facts" are originated by the Trump crew. They are a natural extension of the kind of nonsense you have posted (actually re-posted). You and Kellyanne Conway are an expression of the same notion: Pile on the factoids with any sort of logic you can twist to suit:
For a sample of the tortured logic, the "Center for Research on Globalization" includes the killings of the Khmer Rouge in that gargantuan figure.

I don't see you as exceptional. I see the Trump Effect as a sort of grand magnetic pull of grand nonsense from all sides to spawn an internet-wide shouting match that will become a Battle Royale which takes advantage of the diminishing attention span of the ruled from those who have 'seized' power.

It is an example of the attempt to swamp thought with information.

You are more a part of the problem than a part of the solution.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 05:57 AM

On violence, US-style. Source: Centre for Research on Globalisation: "US has killed more than 20 million people in 37 'victim nations' since WWII."

This study reveals that U.S. military forces were directly responsible for about 10 to 15 million deaths during the Korean and Vietnam Wars and the two Iraq Wars. The Korean War also includes Chinese deaths while the Vietnam War also includes fatalities in Cambodia and Laos.

The American public probably is not aware of these numbers and knows even less about the proxy wars for which the United States is also responsible. In the latter wars there were between nine and 14 million deaths in Afghanistan, Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, East Timor, Guatemala, Indonesia, Pakistan and Sudan.

But the victims are not just from big nations or one part of the world. The remaining deaths were in smaller ones which constitute over half the total number of nations. Virtually all parts of the world have been the target of U.S. intervention.

The overall conclusion reached is that the United States most likely has been responsible since WWII for the deaths of between 20 and 30 million people in wars and conflicts scattered over the world.

To the families and friends of these victims it makes little difference whether the causes were U.S. military action, proxy military forces, the provision of U.S. military supplies or advisors, or other ways, such as economic pressures applied by our nation. They had to make decisions about other things such as finding lost loved ones, whether to become refugees, and how to survive.

And the pain and anger is spread even further. Some authorities estimate that there are as many as 10 wounded for each person who dies in wars. Their visible, continued suffering is a continuing reminder to their fellow countrymen.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 04:28 AM

"So far all the violence and threats to resort to violence seem to have come from the side or purported liberalism, equality, tolerance and understanding."
Funny - I could have sworn I heard the man himself say it was fine to walk up to any woman you fancied and sexually assault her
Maybe not terror or violence to some people, just boys being boys
Takes all sorts, I suppose!!
I would suggest that anybody who has taken to the streets is just reacting to that level of bestiality, especially as most of the demonstrations have been organised by women.
The "family values" contingent is awfully silent on that one!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 01:29 AM

So far all the violence and threats to resort to violence seem to have come from the side or purported liberalism, equality, tolerance and understanding. My, my just think what they would have done, how much further they would have gone, had it been their candidate that had succeeded?

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: meself
Date: 22 Jan 17 - 02:31 PM

Kelly Anne Conway has come up with a new term for lies: "alternative facts" ... !! It would be hilarious if it weren't so scary.

So when Trump and Spicer say, for example, that the crowds at Trump's inauguration were the biggest in the whole history of crowds, they are not lying - they are presenting "alternative facts" ..... Un-freakin-believable.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: michaelr
Date: 22 Jan 17 - 01:49 PM

This is the perfect comment on Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: bobad
Date: 22 Jan 17 - 11:52 AM

A couple of Canadian women I know went down to Washington to march.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 07:42 PM

I lived there 6 years, hey, I'll be back for my umdiddy-fifth reunion this May...

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 07:10 PM

Boston is the most intensely racist city in the north from my 5 year experience.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: keberoxu
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 04:40 PM

Whoa
Nelly
Madonna
!

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: keberoxu
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 04:06 PM

And here's the funny thing about life in a Boston exurb.

No, by the way, my town is not on a commuter line. People who live in my town have to drive their cars a fair distance and park, then board the commuter train. Unless they just drive the car. Anyway.

You know in whose company I have to watch my big mouth? the citizens who are voting in their very first presidential election, that's who. By which I mean, the YOUNGSTERS. Too young to have voted when the Bush dynasty was in the Oval office. These youngsters are going around with baseball caps that say MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN and spouting bile about Hillary.

Where do I encounter these youngsters, you ask? I'll tell you where: on the job, working their shifts. These aren't the wasters. These are the ones earning a minimum wage at the cash register.
Stops me in my tracks.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: keberoxu
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 03:01 PM

Mrrzy, I'm in the Boston area but not marching. Just listening to the soundbites on the car radio. God bless the commuter rail operators. I guess the poor guys had those commuter trains on their usual Saturday/weekend schedule, that's to say fewer trains during the day. And there were so many riders converging on Boston from the 'burbs, using the commuter trains, that the train cars filled up to capacity.

The radio announcer described how the commuter rail people hurried to summon additional trains to pick up the riders left behind on the platforms as the regularly scheduled trains, their cars filled to capacity and maybe a little extra, rolled past the stations without stopping.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 02:52 PM

Anybody marching anywhere today?

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 02:40 PM

Let me be crystal clear about this

No One is demonstrating against Trump supporters outside his inner circle.

No one is gunning for bikers for Trump and their wall of meat.

There is no civil war planned by the left.

There is no hate campaign against TRUNP FANS who favor hate.


We rise against the strategists for Trump, for war, for private double dealing to enrich themselves with Trump approval.

We rise against Trump himself as a bully, liar and manipulator of hate and low information racists.


Elmore

To assume doctors and nurses from Georgia are all Trump fans, is presumptuous.

More importantly today, may your wife fully recover and feel well.



Stu you see as I do. I often ask myself how others can not see yet seem intelligent in other ways.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Stu
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 05:22 AM

Notice that Don said that they bleed the same red blood of "patriots". This infers if you're not signing up to the idea of patriotism, and especially Don's version of patriotism, they you're an enemy of your country. That is disturbing rhetoric indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 04:58 AM

I found the statement he has signed a proclamation for a day of patriotism disturbing. A one off celebration may be one thing, but people setting themselves up as judges of whether others are being patriotic enough opens no end of dangers.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: meself
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 02:39 AM

Trump's "plan"?? He has a plan?

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Thompson
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 01:16 AM

A piece on the US unemployment rate up to November from the Washington Post.

Quote: The U.S. economy added 178,000 jobs in November, while the unemployment rate fell to 4.6 percent, a level not seen since August 2007, according to government data released Friday morning. The first employment report since voters went to the polls last month shows an economy in strong shape as President-elect Donald Trump prepares to take office.

"It looks like firms are pretty bullish about what they're going to see in 2017 and are continuing their strong hiring of the past few years," said Steve Rick, chief economist at insurance company CUNA Mutual Group. "This is a good tailwind for the new administration."

and a quote later in the article:

"It is hard to imagine a more stark contrast between the economy that we are passing off to our successor and the economy we inherited," said Christopher Lu, the deputy secretary of the Labor Department.

American multinationals have certainly lifted the economies of China and India in the last three decades by manufacturing there;
Global poverty has fallen to a level inconceivable even 50 years ago.

Trump's stated plan to bring employment back to the haunted rust belts of America is a good one; I wonder if it will happen. Will the same multinationals that employ Chinese youth sleeping in multi-storey dormitories with suicide nets succeed in manufacturing in the United States and making profits; will the companies that employ Pakistani families like those who died in the garment factory fires of 2015 be welcomed to Baltimore's sorrowful streets?

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Elmore
Date: 21 Jan 17 - 12:51 AM

A memorable day. The schmuck in chief was inaugurated which we, sore losers that we are, refused to witness on t.v. Later, and coincidentally I presume, my wife had a fainting spell. She seemed to recover, but an hour later, had what looked to my untrained eye to be a stroke. Called the ambulance, and spent several hours in hospital while she went through a battery of tests . The hospital folk said nothing about a stroke. Although she is in pain, her condition has improved. She has been kept in hospital for the night, while I'm at home drinking Scotch with Patron chasers. I tell you this because my dog and cat don't give a damn and because the hospital staff here in the North Georgia mountains, Trump fans all, are competent, loving people.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 08:05 PM

BB, you point that out as if the first stone was thrown by liberal bystanders, when Trump has been winding up people for months with his misbehavior and offensive remarks. And his supporters openly molest women and minorities with impunity, as it was modeled for them by Der Trump.

And as offensive as the man Trump is, I'm sure it is difficult for the opposition (not just liberal voters - a good many conservatives as well), to not act out their ire today. I hope none of the injury or property damage continues, it's not what Hillary supporters are about. At all.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 07:24 PM

Sounds about right. FACTS vs conjecture as to what someone MIGHT do in the future.





After being sworn in as the 45th President of the United States, Trump issued a call to arms and declared war on the ruling class.

"For too long, a small group in our nation's capital has reaped the rewards of government while the people have bore the cost," Trump said. "Washington flourished, but the people did not share in its wealth."

"The establishment protected itself, but not the citizens of our country. Their victories have not been your victories. Their triumphs have not been your triumphs," Trump noted. "And while they celebrated in our nation's capital, there was little to celebrate for struggling families all across our land."

"That all changes starting right here and right now, because this moment is your moment."

At just over 15 minutes, Trump's address was short and to the point and free of the flowery prose that suggests a speechwriter far too eager to be remembered by history.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: meself
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 06:55 PM

If this happened in the way it is recounted, then those anti-Trumpers behaved very badly. How's that?

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 06:45 PM

From CNN

The 49-year-old driver, David Wilcox, told CNN affiliate WGN-TV that a car scraped the side of his vehicle as he was about to make a left turn at a busy intersection.
"I heard a lady yell something about 'that guy is one of those Trump supporters,' " Wilcox told the station. "I turned and said to her, 'That has nothing to do with this.'"
The situation then apparently escalated as bystanders yelled anti-Trump taunts at Wilcox. The video shows Wilcox being knocked to the pavement, repeatedly being punched and kicked as a handful of people gather around him.



Any comments from a responsible Liberal viewpoint? I guess being accused of being a Trump voter is enough reason to beat someone.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: meself
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 06:19 PM

Cartoons? Well, this comedy of terrors is close enough to a cartoon ...

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 06:02 PM

smile time

For decades Don's Johns has supplied Mall events with portable rest rooms. This time they were ordered to cover up the word Don's with tape

Don's a little late for his parade, 2 hours late.

Blooper Announcements over loud speaker" If you have lost a child and you really want them back go to any law enforcement stand.

Ladies and gentlemen The Marine Corpse Band

Fearless leader saluted the New York Military Academy which was just purchased by a Chinese firm.

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: meself
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 05:53 PM

"Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought American unemployment was already dropping like a stone in the last few years?"

Hey - don't be a stick in the mud! We don't need no stinkin' facts!

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 05:25 PM

What the fuck is this garbage? Have you no cartoons to watch?

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: Thompson
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 05:21 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought American unemployment was already dropping like a stone in the last few years?

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: bobad
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 05:01 PM

When a new US president gives a speech, you'd expect that allies would be reassured and enemies afraid. With this one it's the reverse.

Garry Kasparov

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: meself
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 03:48 PM

Although I have hopes that Reign of Error may be a more accurate term for what's ahead ....

Subject: RE: BS: reign of terror
From: meself
Date: 20 Jan 17 - 03:47 PM

I got a chill hearing one of the sycophants read to Chump an excerpt from a speech of Lincoln's to Congress - all about the massive changes and challenges coming, and the extraordinary measures they would require - i.e., the stretching and bending of the Constitution. The implication of the whole thing seemed to be that destroying Obamacare and deporting immigrants - whoops! sorry, I mean "illegals" - are as noble and necessary as abolishing slavery, and justify whatever has to be done to accomplish them. And that the nation is essentially in the same state of peril that it was in 1860 .....