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BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Keith A of Hertford 02 Mar 17 - 02:32 PM
Dave the Gnome 02 Mar 17 - 03:04 PM
Raggytash 02 Mar 17 - 03:17 PM
Keith A of Hertford 02 Mar 17 - 03:37 PM
Raggytash 02 Mar 17 - 03:52 PM
Teribus 02 Mar 17 - 04:13 PM
Raggytash 02 Mar 17 - 04:40 PM
Steve Shaw 02 Mar 17 - 04:41 PM
Dave the Gnome 02 Mar 17 - 05:48 PM
Teribus 02 Mar 17 - 07:44 PM
Keith A of Hertford 03 Mar 17 - 04:01 AM
Keith A of Hertford 03 Mar 17 - 04:11 AM
Dave the Gnome 03 Mar 17 - 04:44 AM
Raggytash 03 Mar 17 - 05:19 AM
Dave the Gnome 03 Mar 17 - 05:27 AM
Teribus 03 Mar 17 - 05:43 AM
Dave the Gnome 03 Mar 17 - 06:23 AM
Dave the Gnome 03 Mar 17 - 06:38 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Mar 17 - 06:47 AM
Dave the Gnome 03 Mar 17 - 06:52 AM
Keith A of Hertford 03 Mar 17 - 07:03 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Mar 17 - 07:30 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Mar 17 - 08:01 AM
Dave the Gnome 03 Mar 17 - 08:53 AM
Raggytash 03 Mar 17 - 08:58 AM
Dave the Gnome 03 Mar 17 - 09:15 AM
Dave the Gnome 03 Mar 17 - 10:32 AM
Keith A of Hertford 03 Mar 17 - 10:56 AM
Raggytash 03 Mar 17 - 10:58 AM
Keith A of Hertford 03 Mar 17 - 11:06 AM
Dave the Gnome 03 Mar 17 - 11:23 AM
Raggytash 03 Mar 17 - 11:34 AM
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Keith A of Hertford 03 Mar 17 - 02:03 PM
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Steve Shaw 03 Mar 17 - 02:34 PM
Jim Carroll 03 Mar 17 - 03:04 PM
Teribus 03 Mar 17 - 03:52 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 02:32 PM

Dave,
Why would you "point out untruths spoken about" a right wing organisation on a forum with a large left wing membership and not expect an argument?

I expect an argument. That is the point.
I do not expect to be called nasty names based on misrepresentations of posts made years ago!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 03:04 PM

I expect an argument. That is the point.
I do not expect to be called nasty names based on misrepresentations of posts made years ago!


Well, sorry you are disappointed, Keith. Various platitudes spring to mind. All is fair in love and war. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Surely after all these years you know what to expect. You cannot seriously expect anything to change can you?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 03:17 PM

Iains,

I still haven't looked at the biblical connection, nor will I.

You may think this is my loss.

I would defer and say I am not prepared to accept fairy stories.

Cheers


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 03:37 PM

Dave, I would prefer a forum where people argue about the issues without getting personal.
The mods choose not to enforce it, but those are actually the rules here.

You say that everyone should be free to use any tactics to silence someone with differing views.
I say argue your case if you can, or leave it if you can't.

As you say, different morality.
Yours is shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 03:52 PM

I would kindly suggest that you grow up. Your behaviour over the past few years is that of a spoilt brat in a junior school playground.

Please Miss, they're are picking on me, please Miss I'm being bullied.

It may have worked when you were an annoying little brat 60 years ago, but you're in a world with adults.

If you can't cope with it ....................... tough.

I have absolutely no sympathy with you at all.

You have a clear choice, if you don't like the (justifiable) criticisms of you, you can opt out.

Personally I think you enjoy the attention ........ my response to that is I think you are a sad bastard.

Your problem, not mine/


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 04:13 PM

Raggy, at the moment it does not appear that it is Keith A doing the complaining.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 04:40 PM

Teribus (note please that I am using your correct name on this occasion).

You and I, together with Jim, Greg, Dave, Steve, Keith, Ake and many others have been the target of much abuse over a prolonged period of time.

I doubt if you or any of the others lose any sleep about it, I certainly do not.

From my brief conversations with Dave he assuredly does not.

I can't speak for the other people, but again I would doubt if they give this forum any consideration when they are posting to it and certainly do not allowed their lives to be governed by it.

There is a very simple solution. If someone is offended by it they have a clear cut choice not to participate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 04:41 PM

"Both books were most certainly "rubbished" Shaw dear chap. Both were subject to highly critical peer review and not solely by Geoffrey Wheatcroft - for you to state as you have done that Taylor and Clark's books were not criticised demonstrates your ignorance at best and yet another of your lies at worst."

But, Teribus, the only context in this argument is that framed by Keith's reference to the Guardian piece. I have NOT stated that the books were not criticised, so now YOU'RE telling fibs! I have no doubt that others apart from Wheatcroft have criticised the damn things, but Keith has repeated said that THE GUARDIAN "rubbished" the books (which it didn't) - not anybody else!   

"It was for all of roughly ONE HOUR. Hoping to get away with what exactly Shaw - this being an article, a book and a subject that you say you have no interest in - it was however an opportunity that you seized on to "stick it to Keith A" didn't you, after all he had been trouncing you in discussions on the other WWI threads. Only trouble was Keith A acknowledged the mistake and immediately corrected it didn't he..."

Rubbish! It was the first mention of the Guardian piece IN THAT THREAD, he knew the piece very well having quoted the whole bloody thing elsewhere a week before AND mentioned it one more time, and he LIED about what Wheatcroft had said, bare-faced! He thought we wouldn't notice! It's whst Keith does all the time. He's done it to me only this past week! Get to know the man better, Teribus! Positively fraudulent, I'd say! 😂😂😂 And may I remind you for the umpteenth time that, had I not picked Keith up on the lie, it would have stood for ever more. Let's just let lies be perpetuated, eh, much more moral than "sticking it" to the liar!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 05:48 PM

As you say, different morality.
Yours is shit.


Keith. You will note that I have been very careful never to be disparaging about different moralities, languages or planets. Never better or worse. Just different. And I genuinely believe it apart from the odd exception such as paedophilia and such. Strange to see that you judge someone as shit just because they are different. I wonder if this is the cause of your looking down upon anyone of a different political viewpoint, creed or culture. I think your superiority complex is showing at last and your mask of civilisation has slipped. Well done for coming out at last.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 07:44 PM

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle Shaw.

I thought you stated somewhere on this thread that you had read Geoffrey Wheatcroft's article on the 9th December, 2014? Now your last post causes me to doubt this:

"having quoted the whole bloody thing elsewhere a week before" - Steve Shaw

But he didn't did he? He only quoted the relevant passage not "the whole bloody thing" - You telling lies again Shaw?

Here is another one:

Steve Shaw - 02 Mar 17 - 12:09 PM

The books were not rubbished, bobad dear chap


But Steve what is this?

Steve Shaw - 02 Mar 17 - 04:41 PM

"I have NOT stated that the books were not criticised"


So which one is it Sherlock? Either one is a Lie or the other is. Now I did read the Geoffrey Wheatcroft article - the whole bloody thing. I also know the names of the Historians who ripped Taylor's book and Clark's book to bits I even posted a list of them on one of the threads so with certain knowledge I can identify your first statement to bobad above as yet another of your deliberately told lies.

The threads were NOT about a book, an article, or even a passage in an article. Here you are attempting to say that they were - yet another misrepresentation of yours. I can remember some waffle from you about how crucial it was to get the wording right - but when asked you could not explain why and even said you didn't give a toss.

This is something that you dragged up and have been dragging it up whenever your a flailing about in any thread on any subject where you are losing the discussion. I would imagine that people are getting pig sick of it, so when it cropped up on this thread I decided to look into it - I found conclusive proof that you Shaw are a liar - I found that about one hour after you pointing out the error, Keith A acknowledged it, corrected it then just to make absolutely sure that everybody knew the part of the article being referred to the relevant passage was faithfully copied five times. In March 2017 you are still claiming that Keith A did not acknowledged the error and did not correct the passing remark he made about Wheatcroft's article - that is a Lie.

Dave the Gnome says all this is unimportant, the thread, the books, etc, etc - I agree. What is important is that you are an unrepentant liar, that you are a stalker and a troll and that the forum would a far better place without you and your little gang - this should come as no great surprise to you, after all it will not be the first time you have been told this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 04:01 AM

Steve,
It was the first mention of the Guardian piece IN THAT THREAD,

Yes, but not in that discussion and to all the same people.
I had already quoted it in full. Both books were dismissed and the exact words used to dismiss them were not significant, and I had quoted them already anyway.
There was not deceit or attempt at it.
Wheatcroft was extolling my views anyway, so no need to lie about him.

The deception was yours, because you could not challenge my case.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 04:11 AM

Dave,
I have been very careful never to be disparaging about different moralities, languages or planets. Never better or worse. Just different.

You say that because there are Left Wing members I should expect to be abused.
You say that they should be expected to go for personal attack, not argue their case.
In true Stalinist style they will not argue with opponents, just denounce them. "RACIST!" "LIAR!" "EXTREMIST!"

As in a show trial, they will smear and discredit you by misrepresenting your past.

You say I should not complain or defend myself.
I should meekly accept it or leave altogether.
They want my silence so they should have it.

You have just shown how nasty you people can be Dave.
Yes, Planet Left is a different place.
Yes, your morality is different. Absent actually.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 04:44 AM

Ah, so we are now really getting to it. I have no morals. You believe I am somehow inferior to you. Is that it? Keep going Keith, your supremacist beliefs were assumed before. They are now proven.

As to You say that because there are Left Wing members I should expect to be abused. Well, if I recall correctly, it was not the left wing of anything that created false Facebook IDs was it. Any form of extremism is wrong but any abuse you get is not for your beliefs. It is for your attitude. See above.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 05:19 AM

You should what I do when I get abused (your partner Teri is the worst offender by far) I giggle, sometimes I laugh out loud.

You are not backward at giving out abuse yourself and, before you type it, no I am not going to dig out examples for you to deny them, I seen that tactic all too often.

We are not at school, we are all big boys, even you.

PS This forum is not real life.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 05:27 AM

No need to go far to dig out examples, Raggy.

As you say, different morality.
Yours is shit.

Yes, your morality is different. Absent actually.


Both from Keith. Just above here.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 05:43 AM

Points are introduced for discussion below the line here on Mudcat. That sort presupposes an exchange of views backed up by substantive facts and illustrative links to reinforce those differing points of view.

Now that is not what Dave the Gnome is about is it? The substantiation for making that observation:

Dave the Gnome - 02 Mar 17 - 03:04 PM

All is fair in love and war.
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Surely after all these years you know what to expect. You cannot seriously expect anything to change can you?


When confronted with such verifiable fact supplied by the likes of Keith A in discussions, the standard response and default position is name calling, personal attack, smears and baseless allegations. Accompanied by point blank refusals to substantiate anything.

Of course we can expect much better than the utter sink level that you and your pals have driven this forum down to. Your latest "passive aggressive" veneer slips too easily.

We've seen far too many examples of "careful argument" from members of the little "leftie" clique you belong to (No pointless denials please your posting history makes a mockery of them). What's your "mission" Gnome? To drive anyone with any vaguely differing ideological views from your own from the forum? I can tell the lot of you now that you are onto a loser with that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 06:23 AM

The only mission I have on Mudcat is to enjoy myself, Teribus. I am happy to discuss anything with anyone but as it is blatantly obvious that some people just cannot communicate with each other I have given up even trying. The only rules on Mudcat are provided and applied by the moderation team. If they have any issues with what or how I post I am sure they will let me know. If you send any evidence of "name calling, personal attacks, smears and baseless allegations" to the team I am sure they will act on it accordingly. Remember to include the personal attacks you make though.

Cheers

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 06:38 AM

Also interesting to note that you only quoted half of my post which substantially altered the meaning, Teribus. It was not that far up the list and you had gone to the trouble of cutting part of it. Why did you not quote the rest I wonder? Maybe this communication problem I mentioned?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 06:47 AM

"Yes, your morality is different. Absent actually."
I know of millions of right wingers who sent six million Jews to the gas chambers
I don't know a single left winger who made the hate-instigating accusation that an entire national and cultural people are implanted to rape children
Don't boast of your politics Keith, it doesn't become you
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 06:52 AM

Posted this on the World's thinnest books thread earlier, Jim. Thought you might appreciate it :-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 07:03 AM

Jim,
I don't know a single left winger who made the hate-instigating accusation that an entire national and cultural people are implanted to rape children

I do not know anyone at all who has done that.

I know of millions of right wingers who sent six million Jews to the gas chambers

We have no such Nazis here Jim. We are talking about the Centre and Centre Right. Mainstream not extreme.

Stalin was of the Left and killed far more than Hitler.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 07:30 AM

"I do not know anyone at all who has done that."
'Course you7 don't Keith - none so blind
"We have no such Nazis here Jim."
Wsan't talking about "here" - I was referring to right wing politics
"Stalin was of the Left "
Stalins main victims were "the left"
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 08:01 AM

"Posted this on the World's thinnest books thread earlier, Jim."
I most certainly do Dave - still chucking, and will be all day
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 08:53 AM

Underpants arrived, Steve, and although the quality is not the best, they are pretty good. At £7.77 for six pairs I am not complaining. And - NO BUTTONS! :-) I got XL and they are the same as other XLs I have. I am not overweight. Just underheight...

Amazon link here

I would have posted a picture of me modelling them but you know there are some people on here obsessed with me and male nether regions. I don't want to get them too excited

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 08:58 AM

Just about to put the next batch of bread in the oven. A bowl of water in the bottom to ensure a nice crusty finish to it. Ymmmmmmmm !


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 09:15 AM

By way of a pleasant diversion - Just found this gem that I must visit in the spring. Only about an hour away.

Himalayan Garden, Grewelthorpe

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 10:32 AM

just spotted yet another, how shall we put it to be kind, 'misrepresentation' :-)

You say that everyone should be free to use any tactics to silence someone with differing views.

I have never said anything like that. I have never advocated violence or threats for instance. If I have ever said that anyone should be free to use 'any tactic', I would like see where!

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 10:56 AM

Jim,
Stalins main victims were "the left"

Not true. Then there was Mao and the Kims.

Wsan't talking about "here" - I was referring to right wing politics

We were talking about members here.
Just Centre Left and Centre Right.
The very people who chose, hopeless as it seemed, to make a stand against Hitler when the Far Left were in bed with him!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 10:58 AM

Must be the tablets.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 11:06 AM

Rag, tell your friend to stop taking them then.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 11:23 AM

I have an idea for a new game show.

"My dictator is better than yours"

You pick from your favourite extremist dictator and, from a set of pre-defined criteria and without knowing each others choice, chose whichever aspect you think will beat the opponents. Things like 'People Killed', 'Countries invaded', 'Human rights removed' or 'Wars started'. Sort of like the 'Top Trumps' card games where you pit football players or cars against each other. To add interest the winner gets to chose the method to eradicate the loser, their family and whatever cultural demographic they support.

Probably shouldn't mention it to Donald Trump. Although he may be added as a choice in the not too distant future.

:D tG

BTW - For those who take these things literally, that was a joke. But it is based on the ridiculous premise that any dictator can be justified by saying he is not as bad as another.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 11:34 AM

Can't speak for anyone else (remember we are not gang/mob/clique etc etc) but I think you've lost the plot.

A rest before you next post might be advisable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 11:36 AM

That could SO be to me Raggy :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 11:54 AM

LOL, relax Dave, not aimed at yourself as I'm sure you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 12:40 PM

"Not true. "
Go find a decent historian Keith
Stalin removed all the socialists from the Soviet leadership and had the main one, Leon Trotsky, murdered
Stalinism has sweet fulck all to do with Socialism - it was a system gone wrong, whith Stalin the main cause of its downfall
On the other hand, Hitler was supported into power by German Capitalism - it was a natural progression of the defeat of the left in Germany
The main supporters of Nazism were the giant companies - Krupps and Essen among the greatest, along with numerous American financiers   
E. Roland Harriman Vice president of W. A. Harriman & Co., New York
H.J. Kouwenhoven Nazi banker, managing partner of August Thyssen Bank and Bank voor Handel Scheepvaart N.V. (the transfer bank for Thyssen's funds)
J. G. Groeningen Vereinigte Stahlwerke (the steel cartel which also funded Hitler)
C. Lievense President, Union Banking Corp., New York City
E. S. James Partner Brown Brothers, later Brown Brothers, Harriman & Co.
Politicians in Britain, included Churchill, while not becoming directly involved, appeased the rise of German fascism, looking on "New Germany to act as a bulwark against Bolshevism"
America's greatest ally in Vietnam was self proclaimed Hitler admirer, Marshall Kee, the murderous Greek Junta, supported by Britain and the Chilean fascists, led by Mrs Thatcher's friend, mass murderer, Augusto Pinochet were all extreme right wing dictatorships
We know exactly how "cenrte" your right-wingism is.
Dream on Keith - fascism is the province of the right - and remained so throughout the 20th century.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 02:03 PM

Jim,
"Not true. "
Go find a decent historian Keith


How about backing up your claims with evidence for once?

Stalins main victims were "the left"

Medevedev's grim bookkeeping included the following tragic episodes: 1 million imprisoned or exiled between 1927 to 1929; 9 to 11 million peasants forced off their lands and another 2  to 3 million peasants arrested or exiled in the mass collectivization program; 6 to 7 million killed by an artificial famine in 1932-1934; 1 million exiled from Moscow and Leningrad in 1935; 1 million executed during the ''Great Terror'' of 1937-1938; 4 to 6 million dispatched to forced labor camps; 10 to 12 million people forcibly relocated during World War II; and at least 1 million arrested for various "political crimes" from 1946 to 1953.

And remember Jim that Stalin was Hitler's ally when they both invaded Poland, and the far left here cheered them on.

Dave,
But it is based on the ridiculous premise that any dictator can be justified by saying he is not as bad as another.

That is a ridiculous premise, but who has made it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 02:08 PM

Dunno, Keith. You are the font of all knowledge. I am just an immoral shit.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 02:34 PM

I'll model the underpants, Dave, as soon as I've had my next Brazilian and have secured the right to have the caption "Down, girls!" placed at the bottom of every shot.

Thread summary:

Keith starts silly thread, having the usual ulterior motives.

Keith defends the indefensible.

Teribus defends both the indefensible and Keith, who is already indefensible.

Teribus gets obsessively repetitive, forgets to tell the truth, misses points left right and centre, gets all irrelevant, then defends Keith again.

Teribus attacks anyone who is not slightly to the right of Mussolini. This is repeated ad nauseam. We know who we are.

Keith maintains his efforts to make thread all about him then complains that we are making thread all about him.

Teribus and Keith maintain that lies told years ago are OK because they are no longer lies.   

Too many normal, sane people, known as the gang/mob/pack, etc., get sucked in and thereby threaten their own sanity.

Steve writes to mod asking for insane thread to be closed.

Teribus and Keith crow that we're only trying to get thread closed because we haven't got an argument.

Keith says "you lose."

Teribus comes up with spittle-flecked rant and alt-truth version of thread summary. Unless Keith beats him to it.

(The last four points haven't happened yet. Stop me if you dare!)

Sherlock


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 03:04 PM

"How about backing up your claims with evidence for once?"
You are one of those who whinge that I provide too much evidence
Make up yourr mind
You'll find that everything I have4 said is fully verifiable from any historian.
The list of Hitlers backers are official
The assassination of Trotskt=y in Mexico is an incontrovertible fact
Britain's appeasement of Germany is part of our history
"And remember Jim that Stalin was Hitler's ally"
And remember that Stalin was Britain's Ally - Good old Uncle Joe - Russia having been previously invaded by fourteen countries, including Britain, in order to assist the return of the Tzar
Pissss off Keith - you have no concept of history other than that you have gleaned to "win" something.
We have argued every last one of these points ad nauseum - you failed to "win" then - little chance of you "winning now.
I do not defend what Stalin did, he betrayed the left in doing what he did.
You seem to forget that Russia only had a revolution to escape the mindless Imperial bloodbath of World War One.
Piss of and go and persecute Muslim families that can't fight back - that seems to be what turns you on.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 03:52 PM

The rant and delusions of someone trapped by a bankrupt ideology.

Thread Summary

Born out of two previous threads that were both closed down
1: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
Opened by Keith A of Hertford

Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 29 Apr 16 - 03:49 AM

Only a few months into JC's leadership and they are in real trouble.
What is it with the hard left and anti-semitism?


By way of explanation Ken Livingston had just been suspended by the Labour Party for making anti-Semitic remarks.

On this thread, Jim attacked Israel on 29 Apr 16 - 06:23 AM.

The thread was closed one post after this from Steve Shaw:

Steve Shaw - 05 Oct 16 - 02:01 PM

There are now two Labour threads. This one is utterly toxic and infested by trolls. We don't need two threads. I appeal to the moderators to shut this one down.


2: Labour Party Discussion
Opened by MGOH and closed by Joe Offer with an explanatory note appended to the last post from Steve Shaw:
I don't care who's right and who's wrong - I just want the fighting to stop.
Thread closed. Feel free to start a new thread on the subject, but don't open old wounds. Talk about the frickin' subject."


On the subject of opening old wounds on this thread Jim Carroll attacked Israel on 15 Aug 16 - 02:40 AM.

3: Uk Labour Party discussion II
Keith A opened it after MGOH's thread had been closed

As to opening old wounds on this thread:
Who was it brought up an off topic thread from 2011 - Jim Carroll
Who was it dragged up an off topic thread from 2014 - Steve Shaw

In the course of this thread - on off topic subjects that they themselves introduced - both have been exposed as liars.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 04:00 PM

I'm a prophet! I'm a prophet! 🕺🏻


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Teribus
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 04:48 PM

No Shaw simply a dissembling liar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 05:04 PM

And you're just a big pile of poo! Nyah nyah na nyah nyah!

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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 07:25 PM

You may be a prophet but can you make a profit? Like Keith says, I'm just an immoral shit so I suppose I am allowed to scrounge money off you?

Maybe a percentage of the money you make modelling underpants?

In the immortal (or is it immoral) words of Mrs Doyle

Go on, go on, go on, go on, go on.

I'm sure someone will...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 07:31 PM

(UK) Whither the Labour Party
Opened by Keith A of Hertford

Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 29 Apr 16 - 03:49 AM

On this thread, Jim attacked Israel on 29 Apr 16 - 06:23 AM


This perfectly illustrates the persistence and obsessiveness of Jew hating ideologues. It reminds me of a time on Mudcat with a different group of the same persuasion. IIRC it was during another war where Israel was forced to defend itself against Hamas attacking it. That, as usual, spawned several 1000+ post threads with the self proclaimed champions of justice railing against "Israeli" atrocities. The discussion got around to why the focus on Israel when there are so many atrocities going on in the world at the time, Darfur etc. The then "usual suspects" proclaimed themselves to be just as concerned about those as well despite there being no threads on that topic let alone 1000+ ones denouncing them. That led me to start a thread titled something like "Atrocities Other than Israeli" to give them opportunity to show us their concern about all the other injustices going on in the world, not only Israel's . Well, as you can probably guess, it took but all of three or four posts to that thread before Israel was brought into it. And they try to make everyone believe that they are not Jew haters.....lol.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 07:44 PM

You're another pile of poo too, poobad!

Nyah nyah na nyah nyah!

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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 08:03 PM

Hey Shaw, love the self portraits, they capture your essence, if you know what I mean.


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 08:18 PM

Well Dave, me Mum always buys a Big Issue off t'bloke who's always outside Prestwich M&S Simply Food. She sez to me this affy, hey Steve, 'ave yer got change for t'Big Issue man? Ah sez back, yeah, how much d'yer need? She sez two quid. Ah sez TWO QUID? TWO BLOODY QUID??! That's not "change," ah sez! My idea o' change is an absolute max of 47p. Owt above that is brass, not "change." Any 'ow, I 'ad ter stump up. Two bloody quid down on t'deal. Bloody good job I'm not a tyke, otherwise I'd 'a slit me own bloody throat wi' rusty machete by now!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 08:23 PM

Bobad pobad poobad poorbad poorbear poobear poor hair pube hair poo sticks poor bastard. Say goodnight to the folks, Poor Do! You don't matter! Live with it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 09:15 PM

You don't matter! Live with it!

Your obsession with me says otherwise but you're probably just playing hard to get. I'm always up for the challenge.


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