BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 11:50 AM

Dave says it does not apply to him anyway, so who is being smeared?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 11:53 AM

Sorry Dave, cross posted.

If you mentioned it before it does not apply to you.
I don't do Facebook, but you did post about the referendum here and did not mention your disapproval here until after the vote went against you.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 12:05 PM

You have never mentioned lots of things as well Keith but you will not find me saying that because you have not mentioned them before they cannot be true. As ever...

Different morality
Different language
Different planet

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 12:19 PM

It is not a fact. It's your severely unconsidered opinion. It's childish, it's unnecessarily provocative and it's trolling.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 02:21 PM

"Anyone who only mentions their disapproval of referendums after the vote has gone against them, inevitably faces a credibility problem. "

Sorry but that remains a fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 05:09 PM

And you're trolling. That's a fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 04:27 AM

No. That is just your latest unsupported and plainly wrong assertion.
Show where I have trolled if you can Steve.

It was perfectly reasonable to point out when Dave first asserted his opposition to referendums here.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 08:14 AM

Posters who always accuse others of trolling are themselves trolling.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 08:21 AM

BRITISH ELECTIONS 2017 A Corbyn win would deeply worry many Jews, and chill UK ties with Israel

Most Jews made up their minds about Corbyn long before the campaign began.

A long-time critic of Israel and pro-Palestinian activist who has had an unfortunate knack of consorting with a motley crew of Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites, the Labour leader is, perhaps, most famous in Jewish circles for having described Hamas and Hezbollah as "friends."

Unfortunately for his party, new revelations during the campaign will simply have reinforced many of these perceptions. Earlier this week, the Labour leader was forced to deny that he participated in a wreath-laying in 2014 at the grave of one of those involved with the Munich massacre. But Corbyn's excuse — that he simply participated in a wider event marking Israel's 1985 bombing of the PLO headquarters in Tunis, itself a response to the murder of 15 Israeli civilians in Palestinian terror attacks — rather demonstrated why so many Jews distrust him.

That story was swiftly followed by the release of a 2010 interview in which Corbyn described Hamas as "serious, hard-working and… not corrupt."

TOI

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 08:36 AM

If you make an unreasonable and provocative remark that calls someone's integrity into doubt, as you did with Dave, you are trolling. A lot of people who voted either way in the referendum didn't exactly megaphone their principled opposition to referendums from the rooftops until after the result. Yes I'm against referendums and always have been, but yes I voted, forced into that unenviable position on a massively vital issue by a baby-faced ex-Etonian clown who was publicly fellated by a dead pig. The fact that a referendum took place at all will ignite opinions, and this one in particular, which endured an extremely disreputable campaign, even more so. The campaign highlighted precisely what is flawed and downright undemocratic about referendums, not least the fact that just 38% of the electorate are dragging us out of Europe and into disaster. You have no right to suggest that people on the losing side whinged afterwards only because they lost and you make it even worse when you aim that slight at one person in particular who you don't actually know. Your position is without evidence and is incredibly childish to boot.

Bobad, you are stalking. Again. So what's new? I note that you post but have nothing to say. So what's new?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 09:01 AM

British Jewish Voters' Choice: Anti-Semitism Today, or Tomorrow

Granted, the messages of Trump supporters are usually more crudely anti-Semitic, while the Corbynistas use the code-word "Zionist." When challenged, they say they're just critical of Israel and it has nothing to do with Jews. The conditioned reflex, however, is identical.

Why do both Trump and Corbyn attract anti-Semites? Perhaps the more pertinent question is: What is it about them that somehow gives license to anti-Semites, who rarely parade out in the open in this day and age, to out themselves and break cover?

In Corbyn's case there seem to be two answers. There's the anti-Zionism which has long been part of his radical leftist ideology that gives them a semblance of respectability. And then there's the current vogue for conspiracy theories on the extremes of politics. Where there are imagined conspiracies, there will always be imaginary Jews – sorry, Zionists.

So for British Jews, and in fact for all decent British voters, the choice next Thursday should be simple. Don't vote for a candidate who just can't help but attract anti-Semites.

Haaretz

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 09:53 AM

Don't worry about it, Steve. I discovered a long time ago that Keith marches to a different drum to us. Hence my repeated use of

Different morality
Different language
Different planet

Everyone seems to know it. I have accepted and even gone so far as to say that neither is right - they are just both different. Keith has a different view on that but, once again

Different morality
Different language
Different planet

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 10:58 AM

Steve,
If you make an unreasonable and provocative remark that calls someone's integrity into doubt, as you did with Dave, you are trolling.

Yes, but I did not.
(I am often the victim of that myself though.)

I merely pointed out that Dave did not express his dislike of referendums until after the vote went against him.

That is in no sense trolling, but you always resort to vacuous name-calling when you lose an argument.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 11:02 AM

BBC today,

"Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has failed to combat anti-Jewish discrimination, according to a senior figure in the party.
The chairman of the Jewish Labour movement, Jeremy Newmark, would not say whether Labour's track record on dealing with anti-Semitism would cost the party a significant number of votes at the general election. But he does see it as a cause for concern.
"Jeremy Corbyn appears to have failed to understand the nature of contemporary anti-Semitism in the same way that it's understood by most of its target group," he said.
Labour MP Wes Streeting - a frequent critic of Mr Corbyn's leadership - has also criticised the party's record on the issue.
"I don't think many Jewish voters in my constituency have been very impressed with the way the Labour party as a whole have responded," said Mr Streeting. "
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40119103

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 11:55 AM

I think it is very obvious professor that you revel in your perceived role as "Victim"

You claim preceived ills far more than anyone else on this forum.

Please don't bother to reply for two main reasons, firstly I don't give a flying **** what you think and secondly I've got two gigs to go to tonight one I will be contributing too, and two gigs tomorrow where once again I will be contributing to one.











I'll put money on it the idiot replies.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 12:06 PM

I think it is very obvious professor that you revel in your perceived role as "Victim"

Rather like his juvenile whining pal Twitler.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 17 - 01:37 PM

"I merely pointed out that Dave did not express his dislike of referendums until after the vote went against him."

Why did you point it out? What's your point? And, third question, why am I giving you another chance when we already know what your stupid little game is?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 04:25 AM

Steve,
Why did you point it out? What's your point?

Because Dave had made a big issue of his antipathy to referendums, but never mentioned it before the vote.
I offered some perspective.

Dave, making that observation involved no issue of morality, language or interplanetary travel.
You trot out that silly little litany whenever you have no reply to what is said.
Just trite and boring Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 05:23 AM

You trot out that silly little litany whenever you have no reply to what is said.

There was nothing to respond to was there? You have already said that your observation did not apply to me

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 11:53 AM

Sorry Dave, cross posted.

If you mentioned it before it does not apply to you.

So I was not replying to anything. Just making an observation.


Just trite and boring Dave.

So, why respond then Keith?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 08:32 AM

Offering perspective? You were trolling.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 02:01 PM

Dave,
There was nothing to respond to was there?

No, but Steve chose to anyway. Perhaps he did not believe you.
Perhaps he had a credibility issue.

So, why respond then Keith?

I didn't for the first dozen or so times, but I have had enough of it now. Boring and trite Dave.

Steve,
You were trolling.

So you keep saying, but you keep failing to identify any such.
It is just vacuous name calling.
You resort to that whenever you lose an argument.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 02:23 PM

Constantly accusing others of trolling is, in itself, trolling.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 03:31 PM

I don't think it is quite as boring and trite as 'you lose' but we can always put it to the vote

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 03:57 PM

They're two cheeks of the same fat, chocolate-covered, unwashed arse, Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 04:07 PM

Oh I wouldn't say Dave was a "fat unwashed" arse?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 04:29 PM

Why the quotes? Why miss out chocolate covered? We need to know these things! Oh, hang on. Just realised who it was. Maybe we don't after all...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 06:56 PM

Well Dave "chocolate covered" is a bit over the top, and the quotation marks indicate that the words "fat" and "unwashed" were coined by some other.
I have no means of determining THEIR veracity.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Jun 17 - 11:17 PM

Veracity and quote marks are unrelated. We've known that for all of the time you put things in quotes.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 03:47 AM

And, as ever, he entirely misses the points of both mine and Steve's posts. I suppose he just saw the word arse and had to react. Pavlov's dog is alive and well and posting on mudcat.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jun 17 - 08:13 PM

OK, I'd better confess. The "fat, chocolate-covered unwashed arse" remark was nicked shamelessly from the Daily Mash. Google it and you'll get what I regard as the finest-ever article from the Mash. Enjoy!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Thompson
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 02:37 PM

I looked at the Daily Mash for the first time and liked it, thanks, Steve. For your delectation,
Waterford Whispers News on the British election.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 04:14 AM

From the Mash today.
Could this "Tom" be you Thomson?

A MAN is convinced colleagues share his pro-Labour views after he ranted at them about all other parties being evil scumbags.
Administrator Tom Logan won over his politically wavering colleagues by warning them not to be selfish evil bastards who hate the poor and needy.

Logan said: "I've explained that if they voted Tory it would make me physically sick and I'd have to disown a disgusting person like that.
"Pete said he might vote Lib Dem but he's obviously changed his mind because he didn't stick up for them when I said they were just neoliberal Tory vermin in disguise."
He added: "The key to persuasion is to use intelligence combined with charm and wit."
Workmate Nikki Hollis said: "I really don't agree with Tom's view that voting Green makes you 'an enabler for Tory class genocide' but it's pointless arguing with him.
"I've got a nasty feeling it's going to be like 2015 when he couldn't believe Labour lost and got so drunk he soiled his 'Team Miliband' tracksuit."
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/man-sure-workmates-will-vote-labour-after-saying-theyre-scum-otherwise-20170606128892

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 01:35 PM

Following Guido's story this morning revealing Jeremy Corbyn addressed an extremist rally including hundreds of members of Al-Muhajiroun, a spokesman for the Labour leader has been forced to distance Jezza from the banned group:

    "Jeremy addressed a broad-based rally in support of Palestinian rights. It was a public event and he was in no way responsible for the views of all of the thousands of attendees. Jeremy condemns al Muhajiroun in the strongest possible terms."

A rally at which audience members chanted about gassing Jews was a "broad based rally" says Corbyn's spokesman. Says it all…

UPDATE: Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon has responded to Guido's revelations:

    "Jeremy Corbyn wants to be Prime Minister in just two days, but this latest revelation about his association with extremists shows exactly why he is unfit to lead the country. He has a long track-record of siding with people who want to damage and attack the UK and there can be no excuse for his decision to address this rally."

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 01:39 PM

Looking in at this latest page in this monster thread tells me one thing. I haven't missed much by deciding early on that it wasn't worth following it.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 02:18 PM

That's Guido Sarducci, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 04:35 PM

Anti-Semitic Labour BANNER depicting Theresa May wearing star of David earrings harkens back to dark days of Nazi Germany.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 07:02 PM

That's Guido Sarducci, right?

It's actually Guido Fawkes but anyone who is a fan of Father Guido Sarducci is alright by me.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 07:36 PM

Desperate stuff, bobad, showing how worried you are that the most honest man of integrity in British politics today is going to do a damn sight better than you expected.

"Says it all..."

Really? In your own words, and we don't mind single syllables, WHAT does it say? Take your time now...

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 08:14 PM

Two Jewish kosher restaurants victims of arson attacks in Manchester, police treating it as anti-Semitic hate crimes.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 06:33 AM

Jewish restaurants attacked? Well let's see if the antisemitism allegation sticks, shall we? At present, two plus two makes five for you, doesn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 01:08 PM

Anyone seen today's right wing rags? The Scum is the worse with 'Jezza's Jihadi Comrades' but the Daily Heil isn't far behind with 'Apologists for terror'. Blatant use of the latest terror attacks to smear Corbyn and the Labour party. Politics of the gutter and the right wing Barron's obviously shit scared. These tactics are nothing to do with free press or free speech. Just multi-billionaires trying to save their arses. Sadly, thousands will probably believe them :-(

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 02:16 PM

Did they actually say anything that was not true Dave?
Corbyn could sue them if so, and the damages would be spectacular.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: MikeL2
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 02:42 PM

Hi Steve

<" the most honest man of integrity in British politics today is going to do a damn sight better than you expected.">

Oh yeah. And do you believe him when he says that Dianne Abbott is ill when she should have gone up against the Home Secretary on TV ??

As Shadow Home Secretary she is n embarrassment.

Let's see how it goes tomorrow. A lot of very marginal seats here in the North West.

regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 03:22 PM

So you really believe Corbyn supports Jihadis then Keith? You know damn well that it is all smoke and mirrors with the gutter press. They use weasel words, insinuations and know that many people will not read past the headlines.

MikeL2. Did you believe May when she said that she would not call an election before 2020? Just asking...

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 05:29 PM

Diane has been off-message for ages, Mike. If you know more about her her health issues than the rest of us, then let's be having it. Otherwise, your dark talk is just Daily Mailism. Cheers!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 02:54 AM

I think its pretty obvious what her health issues are.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 03:05 AM

Tell us then. Out with it. Put up or shut up, doc.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 03:07 AM

Dave,
May when she said that she would not call an election before 2020?
She changed her mind Dave. So what?

Now, did either of those publications actually say anything that was not true Dave?

Lies told against a Party leader on the eve of an election would be a massive issue, but no-one except you has picked up on it.
Has it been denied?
Has legal action been announced?
Have broadcasters or rival publications reported a vast challenge to the democratic process?

Or are you just talking bollocks Dave?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 03:13 AM

So you really believe Corbyn supports Jihadis then Keith?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 03:32 AM

How would I know Dave?

Now, did either of those publications actually say anything that was not true?