BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 07:03 AM

My husband's lineage starts in the Ivorian village of Nafamadougou, near the borders of Mali and Burkina Faso. Centuries ago, they were hunters with bows and arrows, but now they cultivate fields for food crops.
My husband had a go with archery at the Royal Norfolk Show, where one could have five shots for £1. He'd never held a bow before, but effortlessly fired off his arrows and got two in the inner ring and three in the bullseye.
The chap who was overseeing it asked where he'd trained! And he even went behind and got his own composite, expensive bow for my husband to try. He said he was holding the bow perfectly correctly. It's obviously in his blood from those hunter ancestors all those generations ago.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: rich-joy
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 07:51 PM

Re "I'm probably in line to the British throne" -

Well, on this episode of the UK "Who Do You Think You Are?", only just shown here in Oz, that's kinda what happened (he's back to Edward III and before)!!   
"Most Unexpected!"


"Danny Dyer
Who Do You Think You Are?, Series 13 Episode 1 of 10

EastEnders actor Danny Dyer hopes that he will 'freak a few people out' with his family history. Danny sets out to discover the history of his tough working-class family in the East End of London, but in the process he unearths an extraordinary lineage stretching back to the Norman conquest."

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: olddude
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 06:02 PM

Smoke got in my eyes after reading that

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: olddude
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 05:45 PM

Traced mine back to the 1950s
And the duke of earl

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Feb 17 - 03:57 AM

You're absolutely right Stanron. He's always jealous of my laptop. My husband reckons he actually wants to send an e mail to some feline floozy, or go on e bay to buy some tasty cat treats.

Goodness me Rap, what a dreadful man! Do you reckon he was caught and shot? Or lynched? Your tale brings the Wild West (or Wild South rather!) to life. Those times were volatile to say the least weren't they? Absolutely fascinating.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 10:14 PM

My uncle once told me this story.

Years ago, before the US Civil War, the family was living down in the Olde Parte of Quincy, Illinois, across from the slave state of Missouri. Yes, there was some tiny little incidents, like the burning of houses of abolitionists and dislike of the Underground Railroad stations right across the Mississippi River from Missouri, but really, there was no legal court-type proof so they probably weren't anything big. The town's only lynching came later, in 1865, when a "Bushwhacker" from Missouri was hanged (a white fellow). But that's another story.

Anyway, one nigh my uncle's great-great aunt was up very late, working about the kitchen, when there came a knock at the door. She answered it and there stood her brother, whom she hadn't seen or heard from in several years.

He asked if she would make his a sandwich and could he have some coffee and could she make him a sandwich to take with him as he had to leave very, very soon.

She questioned him. Turns out the sheriff and other people were after him. Seems like he'd go South, convince some slaves to run away with him to the free state of Illinois, and after the reached Illinois take them back over the river into Missouri and sell them into slavery again.

He left again in a great hurry and then he drops out of the family story entirely. Which is probably just as well.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Stanron
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 06:34 PM

Senoufou wrote: One of my cats keeps marching across my keyboard.

Cat's probably thinking "Why are you stroking that cold plastic when you could be stroking me!"

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 05:56 PM

I also have some French Huguenot links named Rutan or Ruttan... my parents told me there were some French ancestors, but they didn't know exactly when.

Here is a screen capture from one of my geneology programs showing the Rutan line...

Rutan & other French

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 05:41 PM

Hahaha! Not WW3!! That's yet to come (probably sooner than we think) I meant WW1 of course. One of my cats keeps marching across my keyboard.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 05:40 PM

I do like the idea of Howard Jones' ancestor called Diggory Cock.

And I wish one of my ancestors had died laughing in a glass works!

My grandfather (the one who had his thumb shot off in WW3) told me a fellow soldier in the trenches had his whole head shot off and it winked at him as it rolled away. Not a very nice story for a four year-old!

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: fat B****rd
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 05:26 PM

My Great Great Uncle Charles was a Frenchman who literally died laughing when he fell down a pit at Hartley's Glass Works in Sunderland in 1875.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 04:03 PM

finding a great grandfather on a heritage site is still cool.

I don't look because I wouldn't want to find a Confederate or Indian killer.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 03:01 PM

"I've just watched that trailer for 'Roots' Jim, and I think it would have me sobbing if I watched the whole thing. "
I know exactly what you mean - extremely realistic but beautifully made
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 01:17 PM

Oh we'd have loved a disreputable amorous priest on a bicycle!

The programme I watched ('The Incredible Human Journey' with Dr Alice Roberts, who I think is brilliant as a presenter) showed how Neanderthals did indeed mate with Homo Sapiens, but this didn't happen with black Africans actually in Africa. I was rather pleased about this. The Neanderthals are perfectly acceptable to me as ancestors, but of course this resulted in much knuckle-dragging teasing by my daft 'pedigree' husband! :)
I agree with you Donuel, the commercial DNA testing one can buy is probably extremely inaccurate, and the results are no doubt produced merely to fascinate the unwary. What I'd love to find is some African DNA in me, as I've been drawn to Africa all my life from the age of about four.
I've just watched that trailer for 'Roots' Jim, and I think it would have me sobbing if I watched the whole thing. (The original version did) The main character actor looks quite like my husband and many slaves were exported from western Cote d'Ivoire, but much earlier than the period covered.
I believe Kunta Kinte was from Gambia, a country I know well. Fortunately, the Senoufo tribe were safely out of it up in the north of Ivory Coast, and I don't believe any of them were enslaved.

meself, we might be long-lost cousins!(waves in greeting) But only by marriage. A Scots Weir was the husband of one of us.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: meself
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 12:36 PM

My father once got poking around in the family tree: he said he got back several generations, found no one of any account, and gave it up when he came to 'Jim the Pauper'.

A great-aunt claimed my father's grandfather had been a Brigadier-General in the Crimean War. Others in the family thought he might have been a Sergeant-Major in said war. Having recently viewed his military record on-line, I can attest that he remained a private throughout his military career, and went nowhere near Crimea.

(@Senoufou: there are some Weirs in a branch of my tree; they step in around 1800, and are out by the 1880s or so, if I remember correctly.)

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 12:23 PM

Genetically speaking heritage has LESS to do with how your DNA expresses itself than your current environment which is more meaningful as to who you are. With all the exogenetic triggers that turn genes on or off, who you are has more to do with a million year old adaptation than going back a number generations.

I don't intend to spoil the joke of the thread. I just want to warn you that the commercial DNA analysis companies and heritage websites are not to be taken as seriously as they claim.

If your intent is curious fun, fine. But if you think you are getting real regional inherited DNA information you will be mistaken. Most results will only contain a grain of truth.

Example: TV commercial " I discovered I am 26% Native American"
Bull Shit alert.

There is no such Native American gene but there is a meaningless generalization by the company selling their percentage product.

A real human genome search would take more time and money than anyone would spend.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 11:42 AM

My great-grandad, who lived in Athlone, once got into a fist-fight with Count John McCormack's dad over the factory foreman's job. My great-grandad lost.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 11:10 AM

It's true no black people have Neanderthal DNA. Only whites, and in %'s even greater than you wrote Senofou.

"Not that there is anything wrong with Neanderthals."
Seinfeld.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 10:55 AM

"no skeletons in our family cupboard"
My brother-in-law, who has an obviously Irish name, always denied any connection with Ireland until his sister began to research and uncovered some distasteful facts about a disreputable priest with an enthusiast eye for his lady parishioners and a bicycle.
Her interest waned very quickly.
You've missed the first two episodes of Roots (just noticed that we missed the second one last night) - hopefully, it might still be on line
Here are the details
ROOTS
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 09:58 AM

Ha Jim, that's what my father said about my Auntie, his sister-in-law. "They all say they're descended from kings!"
Sadly I have no idea where exactly my mother's Irish family were born, except it was either in or near Cork. My sister was told, as you say, that many records were destroyed and it's not at all easy to trace an Irish family's roots. Also, they had a very common name (think Murphy, just as universal as that)
I didn't realise they've done a remake of Roots Jim. Must give it a look!
In a mad way, my sis and I were quite disappointed that there were no skeletons in our family cupboard on my father's side. We'd have been really delighted to have had a couple of sheep-stealers, or deportations, some colourful miscreants and so on. They seem to have been a boringly respectable lot. Perhaps being at sea most of the time gave them little opportunity to get up to mischief.
I'd love to get a DNA test to see just what blood runs in my veins. I saw recently that most white people have about 2% Neanderthal in them. My husband didn't stop laughing for days when he heard that!

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 09:34 AM

"I'd love to trace my Irish mother's family back (to prove she was descended from Irish kings!) "
You shouldn't have any problem with that Sen - didn't you know everyone in Ireland can be traced back to Irish Royalty!!
Tracing Irish roots is, I believe difficult, (I've never tried, but some of my family have) largely due to the mass exodus in the mid nineteenth century and the destruction of The Four Courts, where the records were held, in the Civil War.
Have you any idea where they were from - parish records seem to be a good start rather than some of the Heritage firms.
I must say, I was always impressed with the old 'Roots' book and serial, but watching the first episode of the new one last week knocked my socks off
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 09:16 AM

Of my other two grandfathers one was a artist and WWI pilot and the other step grandfather escaped the holocaust in the knick of time.

I hope I have no royal ties since in breeding is most common in royal families.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 08:49 AM

Ah 'Kunta Kinte' played by Geordi LaForge (sorry, LeVar Burton) in the 1977 series.
I remember it well.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Stu
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 07:03 AM

I've had a great time doing my family history, and the results have been fascinating and totally unexpected. Aside from the large numbers of agricultural labourers that lived in villages in Essex, Berkshire and Shropshire (right in A.E. Houseman's old stomping ground), there are three main branches.

Firstly, on my Mum's side we're Welsh and I've traced us back into the Cambrian Mountains near Nantmel where my ancestors were shepherds with wonderful Welsh names. The last Welsh speaker in the family died some years ago, but my great-grandmother spoke Welsh and my maternal grandparents and great aunt and uncle never lost their wonderful accents; they were raised in Aberdare so the so the sound of Richard Burton's voice is like balm to my soul; that was their accent.

The other two branches converged on the east end of London. One branch can be traced back to the rookery of St. Giles in the 1700s around the time Gin Lane was drawn by Hogarth; two of them were married under the Rules of the Fleet. This branch gradually worked their way out to the east end over the next 50 years and then were moved north during the slum clearances of the late 1800's; my great-nan (whom I can clearly remember) was born in Tottenham in 1889 just after they were resettled; they ended up in Hayes. They have preserved their cockney culture to this day, being very down to earth and loving music and going to see them is like going home, even though I've never lived there. They're what my mum called "a right load of gorblimey's" and I'm proud to continue the family tradition of playing music.

The final branch was most unexpected; they were Huguenots and a lady in Switzerland had done the family tree for one line back to the 1600's, and I've filled in the other lines. They come from all over France: Languedoc (the name is Occitan according to a Catter that lives there), Normandy and Brittany and came to the UK directly or via Berlin and Mannheim. There are some superb records in the French churches of London and I have records of the marriage of my immigrant ancestors in London. Others came via Canterbury, where many Huguenots fled to and eventually they all ended up in Spitalfields and Shoreditch.

I can't recommend doing your family history enough, it's a really fascinating journey and very emotional. We've found Scots, Irish, Roma, Swing rioters (trashing the landowners winnowing machines excuse of poor wages - yay!) and so much more in the family. The interesting thing is so many family rumours were true, and I wish I could tell my Nan about her family history.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 06:49 AM

Hahahahaha Nigel! Actually, two members of my family are called Weir. So not far wrong! (and of course, they inevitably got called 'weird' at school)
It was strange looking at this old photo and seeing a woman who was my double and with exactly the same name. I wonder what she was like, and if she had a happy life. There's sadly no way of knowing now. And to see my venerable grandfather (who I knew in his eighties when I was about four; he'd managed to get through WW1 with only a thumb shot off) standing there as a young man in his prime. And his brother, Great Uncle Temple, who emigrated to Australia and made a lot of money farming sheep.

My husband finds all this weird (sorry Nigel) as in his culture they have 'griots', who sing a long account of a family with all the ancestors in the correct order, with small details about each one. You pay them and they come to a wedding or a funeral and sing the family history. They pass it down so their sons can sing too. No need for family trees or photos! I believe that's how Kunta Kinte in the film 'Roots' was finally discovered by his descendant, due to a griot who recited the family tree. So fascinating.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 04:37 AM

Senoufou:
I turned the photo over, and her name was exactly the same as mine, Elizabeth. And of course we shared the same surname too, my maiden name. Weird.
That's amazing. Do you mean you were originally called "Elizabeth Weird"?
I much prefer your Mudcat handle.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Howard Jones
Date: 15 Feb 17 - 04:31 AM

My father tracked one branch of our family back to the late 18th Century and a gentleman who went by the splendid name of Diggory Cock.

This branch were apparently wealthy, with a house in Eaton Square (a very fashionable part of London) but unfortunately one of my 19th Century ancestors managed to lose it all. We are left with a few miniature portraits (late 18th/early 19th Century by the costumes) and the family resemblance is striking, even after 200 years.

Another branch of the family on my mother's side were Hampshire peasants. George Gardiner collected a few songs from someone with the family name who I like to think was a relative, although I have haven't conclusively proved it.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 05:28 PM

I also found, but not scanned yet, my great-grandfather standing in a field by his wife...with my grandmother as a young girl near them. Pretty plain folk they were.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 05:23 PM

I am going thru a box of old photos I inherited from my oldest uncle, who was born in 1903....
Here is my grandfather and grandmother at their first house, about 1900..near Pittsburg PA.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Gurney
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 03:48 PM

I understand that ALL British subjects are in line for the throne, eventually. The eventuality for me is somewhat remote, since I emigrated to NZ.

Of course, if the event occurred, there would be no-one left there to crown me.
I'm not waiting with bated breath.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 01:57 PM

(curtseys to Rap)

I'd love to trace my Irish mother's family back (to prove she was descended from Irish kings!) but my sister found two problems. The first was that her surname was such a common one in Ireland that it would make tracing extremely complicated, and secondly, Irish birth, death and marriage records were apparently not so carefully preserved and many have been destroyed over the years. Shame really.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 01:32 PM

My folks, at least some of them, came from Hanover. The current ruling family traces back to Hanover. I am in line for the British throne, when about 19,034,765 people die before me.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 01:11 PM

After the death of my father some years ago, I had the sad job of clearing out his bungalow, and found an enlarged sepia photograph of a family group. On the back were written the names, and it was clear this was my great-grandfather, great-grandmother and their seven grown-up children. It would have been taken in about 1905.
My grandfather stood there, a young man of about twenty-five. He became my father's father, and all three generations had the same two Christian names. They looked horribly stern, and the great-grandmother looked as if she ate children for breakfast.
All the women in full-length skirts (my great-aunts) had fists like hams, from kneading bread and washing laundry. One in particular, though, looked so like me it was spooky. I turned the photo over, and her name was exactly the same as mine, Elizabeth. And of course we shared the same surname too, my maiden name. Weird.
All the men were seafarers of one sort or another.
I had the large photo framed and gave it to my sister one Christmas. She still has it on her kitchen wall.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: olddude
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 01:09 PM

Lol shaken not stirred

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 12:14 PM

HA! Are there laws against an outhouse there? ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: olddude
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 11:51 AM

I been in line for the throne for years. I always
Have to wait
FFor my girls to leave the bathroom

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 11:37 AM

Was this before or after his Alzheimers began to show up?

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 11:01 AM

Do you remember when some Irish shyster told Ronald Reagan his name meant he was descended from the King of Ireland.

Ronnie came out with it quite unbidden at a banquet. Everyone looked uneasily around to see if they could spot someone counting dollar bills under the table.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 10:57 AM

Well, once I learned the tricks of searching and discovered how to pick through the alternate spellings and multiplicity of "Johns" and "Marys" in the same family... as DMcG notes... I have found at least a dozen branches going back to the 14 and 15 hundreds in Europe... mostly Britain, Scotland and Wales... but also to Holland and France.

There's a couple of Sheriffs of Nottingham, a mayor of Calais (Richard Whetehill) and a few expensive estates that I'd love to have a % of.)

It actually gets easier once you establish the link(s) to Britain, since the written records were often kept in better shape than the slipshod attempts in the Colonies who were trying to escape their past. Still, some who emigrated were protective of their heritage and church records in New England are good evidence. It has gotten me...so far... over 600 ancestors to ponder.

It's been fun... but 'respectful curtseys' are not required, Senoufou...

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Jack Campin
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 09:28 AM

Because the surname is so rare (both in the UK and in the Low Countries) I am almost certainly related to this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Campin

I think of him as Umpty-Greats-Grandpa Bob. The pair of portraits in the National Gallery in London are wonderful. He also painted the most accurate depiction we have of a mediaeval mousetrap (somebody made a copy of it and it worked) and a machine-shop-precise picture of a bagpipe (played by a shepherd in a Nativity scene - an identical chanter turned up a few years ago, google for the "Rostock chanter").

You get the same woman as a model in several of his pictures, presumably his wife. Someone I pointed her out to said "your Nan looks absolutely legless" - posing for hours on end for the sort of minutely detailed, hyper-realistic work he did would have driven anybody to drink.

I'd rather have him as a relative than royalty.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Murpholly
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 09:06 AM

As a staunch Republican I would hate to be related to the "Royal" family although I have traced one of my lines back to 1086 the Domesday Book. My uncle wanted me to go to France to try and find the list of who came over with William the Bastard but I declined and left it at that.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 06:46 AM

No, it means you're swearing on this forum! -- Steve Shaw, Liverpool supporter.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 06:25 AM

My uncle, Louis Edwards, once owned Manchester United
Does that make me descended from royalty?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 06:10 AM

Yeah, I thought this was going to be a thread about the queue for the khazi.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 06:00 AM

I used to have a composting toilet that was made in Canada. Since Canada is part of the British Commonwealth, you could say it was a British throne, once removed.

I never waited in line to use it. I live in the woods and there are plenty of trees that don't mind a little extra watering.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 03:46 AM

That's interesting Bill. (curtseys respectfully)

My sister 'did' our family tree through our father's line right back to the late 17th century, and discovered all the men were seafarers; master mariners, fishermen, merchant seamen, even Customs Men and Coastguards. My father always maintained he was descended from Vikings (he did look a bit Nordic) and he was in Air-Sea Rescue. The daft thing is, I only have to look at a boat and I'm horribly seasick. I hate the sea, it terrifies me. And I'm ashamed to say I was very sick on a boat trip down the Thames. My husband was astonished.

One of my crazy Irish aunts used to say we were descended from Irish kings. My cheeky father used to mutter "King Kong more like!" behind her back.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: DMcG
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 03:35 AM

Even by my standards, thats excessively bad for typos. Never be in such a rush to be first that you text while walking :(

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 03:34 AM

"I'm probably in line to British throne.."
Oh no - not another ***** mouth to feed!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: DMcG
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 03:29 AM

You are in luck, DC. They changed the law in 2011 and you can still be king now even id tou are marriwd to a Catholic. Just a matter of waiting, now.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 03:02 AM

Even if I was in line for the British throne, I married a Catholic so that's me out of the race.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: DMcG
Date: 14 Feb 17 - 02:40 AM

There is a particularly difficult knot in one part of my family tree. Like many places in the UK, when Middlesbrough first boomed there was a massive influx of people to the newly created jobs and almost no housing had yet been built. The net result is that the census shows 22 people living in a certain house, five of whom had the same name. All were more or less the same age and all had the same job. Deciding which one was my ancestor is tricky.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 17 - 10:41 PM

My step grandfather was a bootlegger south of Chicago during the Capone days. My real grandfather went to an Oklahoma land claim and struck oil.

Bill I thought Rap may have started this.

Subject: RE: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Feb 17 - 09:22 PM

The Norwegian portion of my family apparently are a footnote in a Norwegian-language history book, going back many centuries, to the 1300s. I haven't seen the text, however.

Subject: BS: I'm probably in line to British throne..
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Feb 17 - 09:09 PM

...about 14,279,637th, I'd guess... it WAS 18 generations ago,


After much research, it seems to be accurate that Thomas Denton and Agnes Baldington are my ancestors..

Thomas Denton

Along the way were 2 governors of the Massachusetts colony, Thomas Dudley and Simon Bradstreet.

I am not staying awake nights waiting for a call...but geneology is fun when you can actually find data & records. Part of my family were in Western Pennsylvania after moving from Delaware, Mass., Rhode Island, New Jersey...etc. in the early/mid 1700s.

Many of my 'connections' were a result of 2nd daughters or 4th sons happening on unattached members of a family with 'important' links.

Any similar stories?