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Tech: WXP to W10 questions?

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Subject: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: Gurney
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 10:56 PM

I've bitten the bullet and bought a W10Pro laptop, having been reluctant to migrate from my WXPPro desktop, but W10 seems a meagre OS in comparison. I have a few questions if anyone out there has made a similar jump.
I'm still using the familiar XP, but Outlook Express has frozen, just saying that it didn't close down properly last time.
BUT, outlook isn't on my W10 machine! OK, I have Yahoo mail and Gmail, but I don't like them very much, so is it just W10pro that doesn't have Outlook, or all W10 systems?
W10pro also doesn't seem to have the Camera Wizard either. I have a work-around with a card reader, but I liked the wizard. again, is it just Pro or all W10?

I'm sure I've forgotten something else I couldn't find on 10. My son is on W7 and thinks I'm making a mistake going to W10. I'm wondering if he's right. Any comments?    Chris.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: Acme
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 11:38 PM

Here's a thread that should help, that started last summer: Tech: More Windows generally & 10 specifically


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: ragdall
Date: 17 Feb 17 - 11:52 PM

I've never used Outlook, but have heard people mourning it's loss in Win 10.

If you like to have a computer based (not webmail) mail client, Thunderbird is very good, and free from Mozilla. I've used it for many years and now have it on Win 10 on three machines. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/

I plug my camera in to a USB port and turn it on. When it shows up on the File Explorer, I right click on the camera name and icon. From the drop down menu I select "import pictures and videos". That gives me options for tagging etc. and downloads any pictures not previously downloaded on a given computer.   Is that the Camera Wizard you're looking for?

I think I had to do some setting up the first time I used it, where to download and a format for naming the files. I may also have set up that the File Explorer automatically opens when my camera is plugged in and turned on.

Overall, I've been very pleased with Win 10. After I replaced most of the distracting colourful rectangles that appear when the windows button is clicked, with items from the "Apps" list that are programs I actually use, and pinned the ones I use daily to the task bar, it didn't seem such a big change. (Just drag and drop from the Apps list to replace rectangles.)

I do prefer how it runs on a desktop computer to how it runs on the laptop, though.

Good luck!
rags


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 12:29 AM

Rags: I think you're using ScanApp" W8 killed Camera Wizard (?)


Gurney: Biggest complaint I've heard is the so-called 'mandatory' updates. I've seen more than one presentation or concert put on hold while W10 goes off talking to itself. It takes some effort to muzzle the beast but it can be done.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: DaveRo
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 02:13 AM

Gurney wrote: Outlook Express has frozen...BUT, outlook isn't on my W10 machine!
In case you didn't know, Outlook Express and Outlook are completely different programs. OE was discontinued ages ago. Outlook is much more than an email program.

I too use Mozilla Thunderbird.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: BobL
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 03:02 AM

"OE was discontinued ages ago. Outlook is much more than an email program."

That explains a lot. I too still use OE6 under XP: on getting a W10 machine I switched to it as much as I could, but with e-mail came unstuck as the first thing I was asked to do was to open a "Microsoft account". Why, for heaven's sake? E-mails are between me and my ISP, MS have nothing to do with it.

I ought to change to a more up-to-date email program, but I find OE6 satisfactory (apart from being infuriatingly slow in compressing archives), and I don't want to lose the archives - can any IE ex-user advise if they're importable by other e-mail software?


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: DaveRo
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 03:21 AM

Thunderbird should be able to import OE mail:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Import_from_Outlook_Express


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 03:38 AM

in W7 I set the OS updates to "inform when closing down" though I have to say NO to avoid them (I don't like switching off the power during updates even with battery fully charged). I would have thought W10 would have a similar route to doing this. In Control Panel if my memory serves.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,ChrisJBady
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 04:00 AM

I have an Acer running Win 7 Starter. It only does updates when I allow it to. However the hard drive is packing up but luckily I've managed to back up all the files. Next is to replace the HDD with a SSD. Meanwhile I bought a Dell Inspiron laptop to tide me over, but this came with Win 10 Home. And I got well bitten with the automatic updates which soaked up my entire capped data allowance one evening without warning nor authorisation by me. I mean who owns my new laptop - well I paid for it but I do not control what happens to it. Damn Microsoft. Anyway there are ways round these draconian and intrusive issues. The simplest is to create a small USB bootable drive with something like Linux Puppy which has its own browser. If the laptop is then booted with this you still have access to the Internet but Windows does not have access to your computer. More later.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,ChrisJBady
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 04:09 AM

BTY your XP computer can be refreshed by installing Linux Ubuntu for free. And replacing the hard drive(s) with SSD(s). That'll effectively turn it into a band new computer. I've done that with mine. It flies.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: Stanron
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 04:27 AM

GUEST,ChrisJBady wrote: BTY your XP computer can be refreshed by installing Linux Ubuntu for free. And replacing the hard drive(s) with SSD(s). That'll effectively turn it into a band new computer. I've done that with mine. It flies.
Ubuntu can be a challenge to ex-Windows users. It just appears wierd. An alternative Linux distribution called Zorin can be configured to look like XP, a Mac, and one or two other conventional systems. I say 'look like' because it won't run all the old Windows software, drives are still named differently and you will have a learning curve to deal with. It's just that the learning curve won't be as steep as with Ubuntu (and the colours won't be as vile) and it won't do automatic updates.

Do a search for 'Zorin', download the .iso file and burn it to a DVD. Boot up with it and try it out. If you really don't like it all you will have lost is a blank DVD.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 10:04 AM

Don't necessarily be scared by Ubuntu. I migrated to it from XP and tho it took a while to get used to it, I found the the learning curve to be pretty gentle. No, it doesn't LOOK like Windoze, but a lot of it is pretty intuitive; one of the many excellent books on using Ubuntu to fall back on is a help. As long as you don't need to do anything really esoteric, it might fill your needs very well. AND you only have to learn it ONCE- not every six months when a new version is forced upon you as Microsoft does. Good Luck!


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: Stanron
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 11:01 AM

I tried Ubuntu long before I ditched Windows completely. I didn't then and don't now like the colour scheme. On top of that I find that the way the menus work is off putting. I tried lots of different types of Linux before I found one that I liked all round. That one is Mint with the Cinnamon desktop. The main difference is the colour scheme which better suits our pale Northern vistas. Mint is actually based on the Ubuntu system but revised. The 'Start' button is called 'Menu'. You still have the task bar on the bottom of the screen which shows which programs are running and the Menu and sub menus work pretty much as they did in classic Windows. I didn't recommend it because the Cinnamon desktop is considered resource heavy so it's not the best for an older machine. Zorin is lighter and smaller. It is not as small as Puppy but I never got the internet working with Puppy and gave up after only an hour of trying.

One list of most popular Linux distributions starts

Ubuntu
Mint
Debian

Puppy comes ninth and Zorin doesn't even show. I prefer and use Mint but for a light, or old, machine user I would recommend Zorin because it is small and you can tweek the way it looks. Whichever you go for, if indeed you do, remember that they are all free. They all get updated but there are no automatic updates. There is now an enormous amount of free software and none of the Linux systems have the Windows vulnerability to virus infection.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 11:21 AM

The learning curve to Linux is a bigger step than described. We tried at the Radio Station and found there just weren't suitable apps in more than one instance. Those that might have served were another big learning curve. If you have bespoke software like VBA macros, it is a non-starter. I tried looking at Libre Office (on Winodows even), supposedly compatible, but trust me, there were functions I couldn't replicate, and even tried work-a-rounds and gave up. My software works, I write it to simplify life (and improve accuracy) and even then it has had subtle quirks. Throw in a different environ and you may not know where to go to solve the problem, even if you can spot it immediately.

The bestest system in the whole wide world is the one you have invested years of experience in. Only can we have it 10 times faster?
If you, or a friend, can negotiate the tribulations of installing an SSD - I say go for it first. (they can come with easy migration apps so look for that option). And all your working files are available on the old HDD as internal or external disk, in file structures you know!


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 11:51 AM

It isn't difficult to turn off Automatic Updates in Win 10, but it's not well publicised and is well hidden!

Go to Control Panel > System and Security > Administrative Tools > Services (or simply search for 'services' in the Control Panel main window).

Scroll to the bottom of the list in the Services window, and you'll find an entry for 'Windows Update' Right click on this, choose 'Properties' and for 'Startup type' Select 'Disabled'

I do this primarily because I have a limited data allowance and get financially caned by my ISP if I exceed it. Obviously though, for security reasons, it isn't a good idea to never run updates. So I tend to do it at the end of the month if I've got a lot of data left or when I have access to free WiFi.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: Gurney
Date: 18 Feb 17 - 04:26 PM

Thanks all. I've read all the posts, and find myself in the camp of Mr.Red insofar as the best system is the one you know, and I do prefer a computer-based mail client. Currently NEITHER web-based clients seem to work all the time. Possibly something to do with my ISP.

I didn't make clear that the Photo and Camera Wizard seems to have gone from the XP machine, too, and I can't find it on W10.
'Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.'
I will try Thunderbird.
W10 is odd in that you have to search for programs in some cases. I use Paint to resize photos, but had to use Search to find it, as it isn't in the program list!
I'm fairly happy with W10 in the way (and the speed) that it works, and I have nothing on there that anyone could use against me if it WAS stolen. My gripe is that there seems to be change for changes sake, and as I'm really a nuts-and-bolts type, I believe that 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.'

As an aside, years ago, when I was keen, I bought an ON-ON switch so that I could boot from either of two hard-drives, one W98 or one Linux. I never got around to setting it up. I found the switch whilst tidying up the other day. Another thing that I found was floppys for the Amiga!


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,ChrisJBrady
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 03:30 AM

OK - the idea of suggesting Linux - booted from a USB drive rather than a full installation - was to try and avoid or delay the dreaded Windows 10 automatic updates. So thank you for the suggestion as how to use a Control Panel setting to switch off updates. HOWEVER after the recent mega-update of Win 10 last November I get the impression that MS have spitefully blocked attempts to circumvent these happening.

There are other ways to stop these updates which - if connected to wifi - is to set this up as a 'metered' connection. However this does not work for me because I access the Internet via a Three dongle (aka via a pseudo-phone connection). Also I use a Three S2 Skypephone tethered to my laptop. This too cannot be set up as 'metered.' Both have pricey data-caps which I am damned are not going to be used for automatic updates. I am still awaiting a response from Three.

This thread is going to be very useful for many facing the same issue. Please continue to add to it. More later.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 04:00 AM

'W10 is odd in that you have to search for programs in some cases. I use Paint to resize photos, but had to use Search to find it, as it isn't in the program list!'

Start Menu>Windows accessories>Paint


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 04:54 AM

ChrisJBrady,

It seems that we're in similar situations (in that I also use a Three dongle). I can assure you that by using the method that I outlined above, I was able to block last Autumn's 'mega-update' until a time and place of my convenience where I could do it for free.

Ed


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: DaveRo
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 05:09 AM

Our Win10 laptop has no mobile connection, so I've no personal experience of this. But lots of people complain about updates over expensive data connections on sailing forums (example) so I've read a bit about it. My understanding is:
  • Mobile data connections are 'metered' by default (how it recognises a mobile connection I don't know, but I'd have thought it was a PPP connection as set up by a modem)
  • Some updates are downloaded even on metered connections
  • Home and Pro editions may be different
  • It changes with every major update - so any online posts older than late 2016 are unreliable
  • Whether a network connection is metered is defined in the registry, so that's the way to check, and can only be changed by the 'trusted installer'
  • There are more changes on the way - see here
  • MS's policy is to allow you to defer updates but not refuse them - or not the security ones

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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 03:24 PM

Yes - I can imagine that sailing folk would be affected by this. The worst case scenario is connecting to the Internet via a satelite phone connection in say mid-Atlantic.

But also there are those with generic Internet needs with laptops / notebooks / notepads / whatever. The requirement by definition with these is to make connections on the move &/or at different locations. The extreme would be on a train or bus or a salesman staying at a different hotel every night.

I tried web-browsing using my laptop and the free wifi on a Brighton-Eastbourne bound bus last year. It was only when I got home that I discovered that every bus-stop had a server connection and that I would have had to have configured every one as a 'metered' connection - about 200.

But if someone is on a train doing last minute business or refining a presentation etc., then the last thing they they want is for the laptop to go into update / installation / retart mode.

And if staying at a hotel with the usual exorbitant charges no one wants to have to pay for an automatic download.

Meanwhile with my Three dongle and tethered Skypephone I lost my remaining £5 credit for 120MB when my new laptop decided to start a to download an update. Suddenly my browsing was interrupted with an 'Out of Data' page. Three - par for the course - never sent me a warning beforehand.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,ChrisJBady
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 03:25 PM

Sorry - the last Guest post was mine.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 05:14 PM

Much of the initial furor has died down and I get the impression there are differences in Euro-v-North American-v-Pro-v-Home-&c.

W10 was the first and only OS I've seen that didn't restrict updates to shutdown and reboot. It just took over the computer whenever it felt like. It seemed to be more a function of MS server availability than anything at the user end. Worse than the Adobe 'pop-ups' ever were.

There was also a fiasco about users getting forced up to W10 by those hidden default settings; who then found they couldn't revert to their old OS.

I've had similar complaints about the 'minor' updates crashing stuff as well.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,ChrisJBady
Date: 19 Feb 17 - 11:54 PM

After a particularly disastrous update - which basically screwed millions of computers around the world - MS quickly released a tool whereby any problematic updates of drivers can be 'hdden' aka flagged to be ignored.

You have to download a little Microsoft App. - its called the "Show or hide updates" troubleshooter package.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3073930/how-to-temporarily-prevent-a-driver-update-from-reinstalling-in-windows-10


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,SqueezeMe
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 05:56 AM

Silliest thing I ever did was to upgrade from W7 to W10. Unfortunately, left it too late to roll it back. Every update is a drama with W10, so much so that I've just dragged my old Vista laptop out of the cupboard and cranked it up. Hated it when I first got it and probably had no more than 25 or 30 hours of use, but fast enough for my purposes, and with none of the BS experienced with W10. Been using it all day today and after a few tweaks and program/driver updates that took minutes rather than days, it's like a carefree holiday by comparison with W10

I have a desktop running XP for off-line (mainly audio) work. Almost tempted to put it on the net, despite the (alleged) security risks. Maybe even dual boot with Linux Mint, which I've tried before, but found a bit taxing on the old brain, though nothing remotely as problematic as W10.

Thank the Lord that Micro$oft don't make accordions....


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: SqueezeMe
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 06:02 AM

Hmmm. That was me above. Forgot to set the cookie on my Vista :-(


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,ChrisJBrady
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 07:49 AM

Customers took a stand against Windows 10's aggressive upgrades ? and won

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/how-customers-took-a-stand-against-microsoft-and-won/


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: JHW
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 02:43 PM

One day I guess I'll have to give up having a computer. This one is XP but there's no way I'm paying money to Microsoft for 10 or whatever comes next.
Year or so ago they kept sending messages that my XP was counterfeit and turning things off. I am certain it is all gen. Though a secondhand mc all the stickers are surely original and I had been using it over a year. I had to get shop to reinstall and reregister.
At any time Microsoft robots can declare your system counterfeit and offer no explanation or countenance any defence.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 02:49 PM

I got pissed off with the 'Free Offer' Win 10 upgrade effin up a brand new unused PC...
and am sticking to Win 8 / 7 / XP on my computers..

But have since been trying low cost Android Media box, and Chrome Notebook for secondary internet functions
and finding them very acceptable..


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,ChrisJBady
Date: 20 Feb 17 - 04:24 PM

The issue of MS basically taking control of the vast majority of computers, laptops, notepads and other digital devices is actually alarming if you extrapolate the implications. Apart from pi$$ing off users especially professionals whe unannouunced updates and restarts occur; there is the issue of MS installing software on these millions of digital devices without the full knowledge of the recipients as what these updates actually do and what the code contains.

Already MS has issued a driver update that basically screwed millions of computers world-wide. This doesn't say much for their quality control. But what if such a screw up was deliberate?

We can imagine Silicon Valley and Redwood etc. being populated by highly paid and trained college graduates who know what they are doing. However the on-going unprofessional changes by Yahoo on Yahoo Mail and Yahoo Groups etc. has alerted its majority of users that developments aren't as professional as expected.

I have wondered why Microsoft would want to deliberately pi$$ of a large number of Windows users. I can't help extrapolating the implications and I found this expose - cheap labour from overseas:

http://pamelageller.com/2017/02/h1b-visas-silicon-valley.html/


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: DaveRo
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 03:01 AM

punkfolkrocker wrote: But have since been trying low cost Android Media box, and Chrome Notebook for secondary internet functions and finding them very acceptable...
Is the Android thing running Kodi? I have that on a Raspberry Pi. And is the other thing a Chrome Book? Does that run browser addons like my 'Mudcat Browser Tools'? (Genuine question - I know they limit what you can install.)


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 08:48 AM

Kodi is an app that runs on Android and other platforms.

Android Media boxes are basically the internal chips, boards, memory of tablets and smart phones,
but without their own screen or the function of making phone calls.
They run off mains electricity and plug into a TV screen or monitor via HDMI connections...
They are powerful enough for general net surfing with a choice of browsers
yet can be purchased for as little as 30 quid or less in sales.
I wouldn't trust mine, or most other android devices with sensitive personal financial details like credit card payments and banking,
but they are great for casual surfing and media streaming.

The cheapest ones only have 1 gig of processor emory and older versions of android.
Mine has 2 gig of memory, but is still on the last version of Android 4.

But most if not all Android Media Boxes are factory loaded with Kodi.

Kodi is basically just a media player..

"Fully Loaded Kodi" is a euphemism for Kodi that has been enabled to stream movie & TV content of questionable legality.

The Chromebooks we have are the popular low cost Lenovo notebooks,
got 2 for £99 each in xmas sales..
To be honest I've not tried installing any modifications
as they are just very good internet surfing devices straight out of the box....

I intend using mine mostly for organizing my elderly mothers health & finance, and being able to synch with my mobile phone, PC and tablets etc..
The chrome google office / word processor app is good enough for that..
The wife uses hers for googling whilst watching TV...


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Feb 17 - 09:43 AM

Forgot to mention... Android Media boxes are 1080p HD -> 4k
plus have reliable ethernet connectivity as well as wi fi..

A low cost plug in USB wireless mini keyboard/touchpad completes the kit..


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 08:14 AM

Get some half savvy guy to clear all the later versions of Windows from your machine and install XP.

Despite the lack of support from Microbastards the problems all disappear.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 08:46 AM

Not all of them will disappear, Guest Guest. For instance, Spotify are about to withdraw, or seriously limit, access to their site from WXP users, as are a couple of auction sites (Leboncoin for one).

A couple of the programs I use insist that I download updates, but they won't load properly on XP and I'm stuck with part updated programs causing problems. (Yes, I know that can happen with other Windoze systems too) So far, system restore has saved the day though....

However, if you are using XP for non-internet purposes, then keep it going until it melts....and then some! It's a great OS.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: Stanron
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 09:44 AM

About ten years ago I sold my brilliant XP laptop to my sister who needed it for film editing. It was never used online. She commented recently that it was still working perfectly. I replaced it with a laptop using Vista. It was complete rubbish and I hardly used it at all. I have since installed Linux on it and it is a bit better. This summer I will take it away with me in my camper and not be too upset if it gets damaged or pinched.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 11:22 AM

I read recently that Rasberry have released a very light OS that works on PCs and Laptops,
that is intended to kick start aging computers back to a good functional extended working life...


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,ChrisJBady
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 11:25 AM

Apart from installing Linux another way to rejunavate an old computer is to replace the hard drives with more robust SSDs. This is supposed to be a simple process and SSDs are getting cheaper.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: DaveRo
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 11:43 AM

punkfolkrocker wrote: I read recently that Rasberry have released a very light OS ...
It's called PIXEL

(Which is also the name of Google's Android devices.)


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 11:48 AM

SSDs are getting cheaper.

Maybe, but they're are still bloody expensive.

For he cost of a cheap Samsung, you can have about 10 times as much storage, for the same price, if you stick with hard drives


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 12:04 PM

DaveRo - BTW.. read your PM, but not had enough spare time for anything involving hard thinking & software..

no promises, but as soon as I have time and energy to think....

[It's chance I noticed, because I don't habitually check PMs,
I prefer talking in the threads...]

cheers...


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: DaveRo
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 12:11 PM

Thanks PFR. And if others are wondering, I sent him a link to test on a Chromebook - which would have been off topic here.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,ChrisJBady
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 02:20 PM

Just an update for Three dongle users - I called into the Three shop in Reading today. They understood the issue of Win 10 updates soaking up data allowances. But they had no solution. It seems that basically outlets like PC World, Currys, John Lewis, et al, simply don't care to research and offer a solution to the hapless purchasers of their Win 10 computers. Indeed they quickly and deliberately changed the subject when I, as a potential customer, broached the subject. And neither do data service providers care like the telcos such as Three. I suppose Win 10 updates soaking up data allowances is good for business so its in nobody's interests to offer a solution to consumers. And every hack that works is very quickly circumvented by Micro$oft - damn them all.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 04:16 PM

;) GUEST,ChrisJBady Post that as a 'Tune Request' ... someone should get a blues out of it :
Called into the Three shop in Reading today,
They understood the issue...


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 06:50 PM

A 4TB drive in a laptop is overkill for most users I know. The SSD trade off is faster read/write with less wattage, heat, fans, dirt &c. It's a one screwdriver job. Reinstalling the OS is the time killer.

There is a whole library of 'phone home.exe' running on the average North American laptop these days, even the printers and TVs do it. Plus if you're not running an ad blocker you pay for them too, and that's often the majority of what you get on a page.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 02:57 PM

The ease of replacing the hdd in a laptop varies, Pd'C. Some have an easily opened access point but it can be more involved. In the case of my Asus X555U, you have to remove about 10 screws (of different lengths) from the rear then work all round with a tool (a flat pick will do this) to "unsnap" the top from the bottom, lift the top off (carefully disconnecting the cables to the keyboard) and remove a cable tht is glued to the drive before you can undo the screws to remove it. While by no means impossible it is probably more that some users would wish to attempt.

As for my own upgrade. I decided 500Gb ssd was adequate inside the laptop. If my laptop is typical of that model, I'd be tempted to suggest it is a needed upgrade. It has a Skylake i7 processor but it's performance was dragged down to almost "painful" by a terribly sluggish hdd.

It now runs quickly on Linux (and I guess Win 10 - it is dual boot but   I rarely use Win). I found the Win 10 OS easy to move following this.
https://www.howtogeek.com/199068/how-to-upgrade-your-existing-hard-drive-in-under-an-hour/
I then added a clean Linux install.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 11:47 PM

Clicky here:

https://www.howtogeek.com/199068/how-to-upgrade-your-existing-hard-drive-in-under-an-hour/


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: DaveRo
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 03:39 AM

GUEST wrote: ...tool (a flat pick will do this) to "unsnap" the top from the bottom...
The technical name for such a tool is a 'spudger'. Every time I crack open a case I wish I'd bought a set. Though yesterday I dismantled some headphones I bought in 1968 - before snap-together plastic was common. It was glued together. As for laptops, Thinkpads are easy to dismantle - mostly screws.

Easiest way to replace a hard disk, for non-technichal people, would be to download a Win 10 DVD and do a fresh install. Then restore data from a backup. Unless you no longer have program installation disks.

I wonder how the OP got on with Thunderbird? A common problem for people jumping from Outlook Express is the change from POP to IMAP. T'bird defaults to IMAP on a new installation if the ISP supports it, and the user doesn't understand the difference.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 06:26 AM

I find the Thunderbird set up annoying. In my case I do know what I want (incoming mail is "fetchmailed" to a local IMAP server and outgoing is relayed via a local postfix server) but Thunderbird likes to make it's own suggestions...

That said I like the email program. I also use it for calendar and contacts (caldav /carddav), running radicale on the server. That way, I can share between Thunderbird and Androids without anything going on Google.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 07:03 AM

And re Thinkpads, DaveRo. My father has one of those. That one does have access points at the back.

I'm not happy with its Linux compatibility for wifi and bluetooth (and use a dongle for that...) but if build quality was my measure, I think its a nice machine.

I don't know the range but if this one is anything to go by, they are well put together. The one he has, even in the feel of the keyboard is superior to my rather more expensive ASUS.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 07:44 AM

The Lenovo chromebooks we have were originally specced for mass distribution to USA school students,
So the quality of construction is fairly solid & robust....


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 08:03 AM

Tried to buy a 'flat pick on a stick' (whatever) - there was a nice one for sale on one of the 'How To' websites. Just the job for lifting errant hard-drives out of the mother board cavity. It was priced at about 1 euro. I put it into the basket, then went to checkout. Huh - then they added £14 for courier deivery.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 08:32 AM

Not quite sure what that is CJB. My "tool" for the ASUS drive change was a Jim Dunlop std Max Grip 1.0mm - currently my favourite pick for mandolin, banjo and guitar.


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Subject: RE: Tech: WXP to W10 questions?
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 09:41 PM

Gentlemen refer to theirs as alignment tools.

Like automobiles, the older your laptop, the easier it is to be your own mechanic. If it shipped with XP or Vista chances are good a North American laptop has 'trap doors' for RAM & HDD. Those are the ones I was thinking of when I wrote the above.

The internals on current low end model American HPs are nearly impossible to upgrade without voiding your warranty.


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