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Jim Carroll 22 Feb 17 - 08:13 AM
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DaveRo 22 Feb 17 - 09:32 AM
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Jack Campin 22 Feb 17 - 09:44 AM
Newport Boy 22 Feb 17 - 09:50 AM
DaveRo 22 Feb 17 - 09:58 AM
Jim Carroll 22 Feb 17 - 10:09 AM
GUEST,ChrisJBady 22 Feb 17 - 11:22 AM
DaveRo 22 Feb 17 - 12:21 PM
StephenH 22 Feb 17 - 12:59 PM
GUEST,ChrisJBady 22 Feb 17 - 02:08 PM
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Jim Carroll 22 Feb 17 - 03:03 PM
DaveRo 22 Feb 17 - 03:11 PM
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David Carter (UK) 22 Feb 17 - 04:39 PM
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Subject: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 08:13 AM

Wonder if anybody can advise
I've just come across this amazing free offer of a set of albums I've been seeking for years
http://antigravitybunny.com/?p=7207
It took me several hours to download, but now I have, I am unable to open the folder
Any advice would be much appreciated
Thanks
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 08:14 AM

LINK
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: DaveRo
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 09:32 AM

I downloaded it. Seems to be a normal zip file - I just unpacked it (this is Linux).

Odd thing is that it contains two directories - "The Columbia World Library Of Folk & Primitive Music" and "__MACOSX". The former contains 7 albums::
david@pan:~/temp/temp1/The Columbia World Library Of Folk & Primitive Music> ls -G
The Columbia World Library Of Folk & Primitive Music, Volume 10_ British East Africa
The Columbia World Library Of Folk & Primitive Music, Volume 11_ Japan, The Ryukyus, Formosa, And Korea
The Columbia World Library Of Folk & Primitive Music, Volume 12_ India
The Columbia World Library Of Folk & Primitive Music, Volume 17_ Bulgaria
The Columbia World Library Of Folk & Primitive Music, Volume 2_ French Africa
The Columbia World Library Of Folk & Primitive Music, Volume 7_ Indonesia
The Columbia World Library Of Folk & Primitive Music, Volume 9_ Venezuela
The MACOSX directory contains 7 empty directories with the same names. Maybe on a MAC this does something?


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: Newport Boy
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 09:42 AM

Same here - also Linux.

The MACOSX folder seems to contain only the album covers. The main folder has tracks, covers and sleeve notes.

That's a great find, Jim. It will keep me busy for months.

Phil


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 09:44 AM

I just downloaded it to a Windows machine and got the same problem (except the download went quicker - it's 784 Mb).

I'll try on my Mac at home tonight.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: Newport Boy
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 09:50 AM

There's an oddity with the MACOSX folder. Looking at the zip archive with the file manager, it shows the jpg album covers in its subsidiary folders. Having unzipped it, the subsidiary folders are empty, as Dave says.

I never did understand Macs.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: DaveRo
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 09:58 AM

Newport Boy wrote: The MACOSX folder seems to contain only the album covers.
You're right - they're not empty. They're dot-hidden filenames - mp3s, jpegs. But they're not data files - my guess is that they're some sort of link.

The archive starts 'PK' so I guess it was created by pkzip or something that aimed to be compatible.

Some interesting stuff there.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 10:09 AM

Many thanks folks - will keep trying, though I don't have Linux
While I'm on - I've always assumed people have this set, but maybe not - another extremely generous gesture
Best
Jim Carroll

FOLK MUSIC of AMERICA


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: GUEST,ChrisJBady
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 11:22 AM

As I emailed sometimes unzipping apps oject to over-long folder and file names - harking back to the old 8.3 standard of DOS / MSDOS. Also it may be that spaces in folder / file names are a problem - they are usually replaced by underscores. The other precaution with zipped files is that you need a rock steady web connection; even a bit out-of-place can mean a corrupt file. I tried to download the source file - but if would have taken me 4+ hours on a moderatly fast connection. Don't worry about the mising folders / files - these are temporary for the unzipping process.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: DaveRo
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 12:21 PM

If you want to check the integrity of the downloaded file, here's a MD5 checksum of the one I downloaded
aeba9bf9b41ee66b486c7c3198974cb6  The Columbia World Library Of Folk & Primitive Music.zip
I expect Mr Google will know how to check it on Windows or Mac.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: StephenH
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 12:59 PM

When I downloaded this for Windows on my PC I got a message saying the file is invalid.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: GUEST,ChrisJBady
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 02:08 PM

It seems that the same file is invalid on Windows yet is OK on Linux. This imiies that Windows doesn't like it. I suspect that this is because the folder / file names within it are too long or contain spaces. I suggest or request that anyone who has managed to unpack it uploads said files to Dropbox or WeTransfer. I did suggest to the original uploader that sepaerate files would have been a better idea.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: GUEST,ChrisJBady
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 02:54 PM

imiies = implies / sepaerate = separate


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 03:03 PM

If some kind soul would is willing to post me the on Dropbox in an openable form for my PC, I would marry them and have their babies
Small batches of albums might be more convenient rather than the four hour download
Happy to return the favour in kind with anything they might be looking for - we do have a formidable archive of traditional material here Irish, English Scots, U.S. international
Please let me know and I'll PM my email address
Thanks in advance
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: DaveRo
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 03:11 PM

This archive includes 2 folders - see my first post. If Windows objects to the format, I would try extracting just "The Columbia World Library Of Folk & Primitive Music" and not __MACOSX. That might need a command-line program to do. I used to use 7zip on Windows - that has a CLI.

Perhaps google "__MACOSX zip windows" or similar for suggestions.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: DaveRo
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 03:15 PM

Jim - our posts crossed. I can do that - in a couple of days. I'm on a tablet here ;)


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 04:39 PM

I downloaded this on a MacOS X machine and the file expands fine and the mp3 files play with ITunes. The png files are images of the cover and notes, including lyrics and translations. I don't see any hidden files in the directories (using ls -al in the command window) but the file names do contain spaces.

Like others, I could not unpack these under Windows (10).

This link should be Bulgaria:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/62xgoir6rvjl99l/AABGJ6pO2BZCk0PCpXz15Ntfa?dl=0

Dropbox seem to be withdrawing the public folder facility from the free version, it keeps telling me to upgrade to Dropbox Pro. This link may only work until March 15th. Let me know if this works and I can put others up, but I think it has to be before then.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: StephenH
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 07:56 PM

While we're on this subject, I do have vinyl copies of the England, Ireland, and Scotland issues in this series. I'm sure most of you have them but I could make copies if anyone wants them. I would use Audacity and caution all that I'm not completely adept at using the program.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 08:00 PM

Copis would be qelsome. Thank you. The thing os set the levels so that the recording is not over-modulated - i.e. in the red diuring the loud bits. That is avoid clipping. Thwn do a Save As or Export in FLAC or WAV format.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 09:10 PM

fyi - there were 18 discs in the series:

The COLUMBIA WORLD LIBRARY OF FOLK AND PRIMITIVE MUSIC
First recorded overview of world music in 18 volumes of a projected 44.
Compiled by Alan Lomax for Columbia Records' Masterworks, 1955-1964.

I   Vol. 1: Ireland (Recorded and edited by Seamus Ennis and Alan Lomax)
II Vol. 2: French Africa (Recorded by Henri Lhote, Andre Schaeffner, and Gilbert Rouget;
             edited by Schaeffner and Rouget)
    Vol. 3: England (Recorded and edited by Peter Kennedy and Alan Lomax)
    Vol. 4: France (Recorded and edited by Cl. Marcel-Dubois and Maguy Andral)
    Vol. 5: Australia & New Guinea (Recorded and edited by A.P. Elkin)
    Vol. 6: Scotland (Recorded and edited by Alan Lomax)
    Vol. 7: Indonesia (Recorded and edited by Jaap Kunst)
    Vol. 8: Canada (Recorded and edited by Marius Barbeau)
    Vol. 9: Venezuela (Recorded and edited by Juan Liscano)
    Vol. 10: British East Africa (Recorded and edited by Hugh Tracey)
    Vol. 11: Japan, The Ryukyus, Formosa, and Korea (Recorded and edited by Genjiro Masu)
    Vol. 12: India (Recorded and edited by Alain Danielou)
    Vol. 13: Spain (Recorded and edited by Alan Lomax)
    Vol. 14: Yugoslavia (Edited by Alan Lomax, recorded by Peter Kennedy)
    Vol. 15: Northern and Central Italy (Recorded and edited by Alan Lomax and Diego Carpitella)
    Vol. 16: Southern Italy and the Islands (Recorded and edited by Alan Lomax and Diego Carpitella)
    Vol. 17: Bulgaria (Recorded and edited by A.L. Lloyd)
    Vol. 18: Romania (Recorded and edited by Tiberiu Alexandru)

Issued and reissued under various catalog numbers.
The CKL prefix reissues do NOT contain the extensive
notes bound in the albums.

ROUNDER Records reissued some on CD:
ROUNDER (CD)- Alan Lomax Collection
world Library of Folk and Primitive Music
================================================================
1       England                   011661174122 1/1/1998
2       Ireland                         1742       1998
3       Scotland                        1743       1998
4       Spain                         611744       1999
5       Yugoslavia                      1745       2001

7       India                     682161175522 2/12/2002
8       FRANCE                         1836       2002

17       ROMANIA                   011661175921 1/01/2001

If anyone is aware of additional Rounder releases from this series
please let us know! Thanks.

Thomas.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: StephenH
Date: 22 Feb 17 - 10:11 PM

CJB - thanks for the tips. I will try to get these done within the next few days. And do my best to copy the booklets, also.
Cheers.
also, thanks for the list Thomas, I actually didn't know that there was a volume for Canada, which is where I am located


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: DaveRo
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 04:14 AM

David Carter (UK) wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/62xgoir6rvjl99l/AABGJ6pO2BZCk0PCpXz15Ntfa?dl=0

... Let me know if this works and I can put others up, but I think it has to be before then.
Certainly works for me. Nice job.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: DaveRo
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 04:55 AM

On Windows 10, the 'extract' facility built into the file manager reports the file as invalid. I suspect it just doesn't know what to do with the MACOS stuff - probably by design.

But I unzipped it with 7-zip, which is open-source freeware:
http://www.7-zip.org/

I didn't need to use the command line. I right-clicked the archive file in the file manager, selected 7-Zip, then Extract Here.

It extracts the __MACOSX folder too. Just delete it.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 05:21 AM

Ok, this link should go to the top level Public directory:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/62xgoir6rvjl99l/AABGJ6pO2BZCk0PCpXz15Ntfa?dl=0

Seems to be the same link, but I will put the directories in there one by one, until I run out of Dropbox space when I will start deleting the first ones.

India is syncing at the moment. They take half an hour each to sync.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 08:55 AM

I think this whole series was reissued on CD and download quite a long time ago. At any rate, they are all available to listen to on Spotify. I've listened to them loads over the last few years.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 10:33 AM

I'm getting a string of "failed, network error" notifications when I try to download
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: StephenH
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 11:22 AM

DaveRo - the 7-zip did the trick for me. Thanks very much!


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 11:23 AM

If anybody's got the Romania one, that's the one I most want. (The content is all probably somewhere on "fabr1s"'s YouTube channel, but that's pretty hard to search through).

The editor of that LP, Tiberiu Alexandru, wrote a marvellous book on Romanian music (translated into English with A.L. Lloyd's help) which has been unavailable for decades, and I mean REALLY unavailable - i've been looking for a copy for a very long time.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 12:00 PM

fwiw (to clarify or confuse) Spotify have a few albums with a similar title but the countries don't match the listings above.
And of course no cover notes


The World Library of Folk and Primitive Music on 78
1 Africa ,
2 Europe ,
3 India ,
4 Latin ,
5 Turkey ,
6 International 1 ,
7 International 2 ,
USA 1 2 3 4 5 6

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=The+World+Library+of+Folk+and+Primitive+Music+on+78+site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fopen.spotify.com


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 01:01 PM

Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 11:23 AM

If anybody's got the Romania one, that's the one I most want. (The content is all probably somewhere on "fabr1s"'s YouTube channel, but that's pretty hard to search through).

The editor of that LP, Tiberiu Alexandru, wrote a marvellous book on Romanian music (translated into English with A.L. Lloyd's help) which has been unavailable for decades, and I mean REALLY unavailable - i've been looking for a copy for a very long time.

===

Ask my friend Howard G. Charing on Facebook - he lives there.

https://www.facebook.com/howard.charing?fref=ts

===


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 02:16 PM

Just given up on Spotify, not only does it want personal information to sign up, but even when I gave it this it claims my Flash player is not up to date.

Jim is it my dropbox downloads which give you the network errors? Not sure why, unless there is some firewall issue at your end. I will try tomorrow to download them to a public computer I have access to, and see if there is a problem there.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: StephenH
Date: 23 Feb 17 - 08:12 PM

I am in the process of uploading the "England" lp to Dropbox - for some reason, it's taking forever.
I realised that my scanner wouldn't properly scan the liner notes so I went looking on the web for them and found a site where not only were the booklets uploaded for the lps, but also the albums themselves.
I think that they can only be streamed, but here's the url so you can have a look for yourselves:

https://theworldjukebox.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/world-library-of-folk-and-primitive-music-vol-3england/

Jack Campin - I've just noticed that the "Romania" one is there and can be downloaded complete with booklet.

I see that some of the other lps can be downloaded - not the "England" or "Ireland" ones , for some reason.

The site seems to be a pretty rich trove, all in all.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 04:46 AM

Just discovered a folder with all but the Rumanian album - apparently in fairly good condition - unfortunately they are without notes.
If anybody is having trouble downloading, I'll happily let them have my set.
I'll take what I can of the documantation and probably clean it up at a future date so it is more legible
Please add my name to people looking for Rumania - a hate broken sets
I'm in the process of didgitising all out foreign language albums, particularly the ones we bought abroad (a lot)
If anybody wants a copy - feel free
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: StephenH
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 10:09 AM

I've also put the "England" lp on Dropbox, if anyone is in need of it.
Here's the link:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yvdis9wygc72r24/AABeRfDxeAZB0R0OLbm9Ppc5a?dl=0


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 11:34 AM

Just an observation. Whilst we are enthusastically trying to download these LPs, others in the Brit. Folk Conucopia thread are complaining about breach of copyright when rare home-taped recordings are put into the public domain.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 07:54 PM

Fair point. I guess I always rationalise that it is unlikely that the folk program recordings would be made available in any fashion other than by someone uploading them. Would the BBC be likely to make them available for a fee? As Will Fly suggests, it could be worth asking.
As for these Columbia recordings, they have been re-released as cds - thought not, I understand, with all of the same material that the lps contained, in some cases.
I am pretty diligent - as, I suspect, are most people on Mudcat -in trying not to pick the pockets of working musicians. I guess some of us just get excited at the prospect of rare recordings being made available. But good to keep all this in mind as we hasten to share the music we love.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: StephenH
Date: 24 Feb 17 - 07:55 PM

Sorry, forgot to log in to post.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: DaveRo
Date: 25 Feb 17 - 06:33 AM

In my post of 22 Feb 17 - 12:21 PM I gave the MD5 checksum for the big zipfile. If you have this checksum, from someone who has an accurate copy, you can check if the file you download is faulty or incomplete.

It turns out that there is a built-in way of checking checksums in Windows, but it's well hidden. So in case it's useful in future I'll note it here.

Open a command prompt: it's in the Start menu in Win 7, or in Win 10 type 'command' in the search box to find it.

The command is
certutil -hashfile complete-path-to-file MD5
To find the file path right-click the file in the file manager and select Properties. If the filename includes spaces put it in quotes. Don't forget to include the file extension - eg .zip - which the file manager probably hides.

So for this zipfile I type:
certutil -hashfile "c:\users\david\Documents\temp\The Columbia World Library Of Folk & Primitive Music.zip" MD5
MD5 hash of file c:\users\david\Documents\temp\The Columbia World Library Of Folk & Primitive Music.zip:
ae ba 9b f9 b4 1e e6 6b 48 6c 7c 31 98 97 4c b6
CertUtil: -hashfile command completed successfully.
Replace MD5 with SHA1 or whatever if a different hash algorithm is used.

Linux users will know the command MD5SUM to calculate checksums:
david@pan:~/temp/temp1> md5sum "The Columbia World Library Of Folk & Primitive Music.zip"
aeba9bf9b41ee66b486c7c3198974cb6 The Columbia World Library Of Folk & Primitive Music.zip
I don't have a Mac.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: AmyLove
Date: 27 Feb 17 - 10:56 PM

You can download the albums at the World's Jukebox site which StephenH mentioned. If you're having any difficulty finding an album from a particular country (most but not all of them are grouped together in a series of posts), go to the Categories section and click on the country name you're seeking. On some of the pages, it says specifically where to click to download. On others, click the links below where it says "Listen here." Here's the link to Volume One (the first post in the series of posts which include most of the albums):

World Library of Folk and Primitive Music vol.1:Ireland


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 28 Feb 17 - 04:42 AM

DaveRo, on a Mac its just md5 not md5sum. Otherwise the same syntax and the same result.


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 06:01 PM

re:World Library of Folk and Primitive Music vol.1:Ireland
Here's a programme still on BBC iplayer
The First LP in Ireland - 08/05/2012 - @bbcradio4
"Colum Sands presents the story of how, in 1947, the Irish Folklore Commission and the BBC established a scheme to seek out and record folk music and stories throughout Ireland."
Some clips of Seamus Ennis, Brian George & Alan Lomax and quite a lot from Robin Roberts who travelled with them at the time. She was 22 in 1947.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01h666r 


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Subject: RE: Tech: World Library of Folk/Primitive Music
From: RTim
Date: 13 Aug 18 - 07:03 PM

I love the cover photo on - World Library of Folk and Primitive Music vol.1:England.

A wonderful picture of The Bampton Morris in full voice...

Tim Radford


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