BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 03:12 PM

"Well Mrs May seems to get on rather well with President Donal-John and you think HE is a Fascis"
Lets see how she attempts to appease his fascism
There is no doubt of what Thatcher was - she decare that the mass murder theat was going on in Chile was "democracy", she moved heaven and earth to prevent Pinochet from coming to trail for his crimes and she accused those who wished to bring him to trail as "running a police state"
She even organised a rally attended by her extremely embarrassed cabinet, where she and others declared their support for this dictator, complete wit crossed British and Chilean flags
What else would you describe it.
Trump enlisted the aid of a foreign power to win n election, he won that election by setting one group of Americans against the other, using "security" as an excuse, he deliberately targetted five Muslim nations, carefully omitting the one which financed and provided terrorists for 9/11.
He is running roughshod over the American constitution and denigrating his own security services and justice system - he is even attempting to control information on his actions.
In the process, those neared=st to him are dropping like flies.
Fascism, by anybody's book, albeit in its early days
You refuse to comment on any of this other than to give it your blanket support - making you.....
No prizes for guessing.
As far as I am concerned, your attitude to homosexuality, your demands that mass murderer Breivik, your insistence that refugees should be forced to ear identification tags long after even the right wing gutter press had condemned it has long identified what you are.
Your description of a new day dawning and tor presenting America's shrillest and most vitriolic media mouthpiece, Ann Coulter, the darling of the Klan, as a serious journalist with something to say (like Breivik)
Your persistent use of her hatred of "liberals" makes you and her soulmates.
I confess, when I was young I over-used the term 'fascism'
Since I took the trouble to learn the definition I tend to say it when I see it - I saw it in Thatcher - I certainly say it in her friend Pinochet - I see it in Trump, and I see it in you.
I don't think I am being unfair to any of you
If I have "lost the plot" I haven't lost my humanity, nor have I lost my respect for and understanding of Socialism.
If Britain had adopted the attitude the same attitude to towards refugees in the thirties taht yoiu abd yours are doing towards thiose same refugees now, there would have been a lot less Jews than there are today      
I remind myself of that fact everytime you go on one of your "liberal" rants
Again - I expect no coherent response to any of this - that's not what you do.
It doesn't matter -it's not for your benefit
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 05:03 PM

Nothing to see here folks, its just a bit of confusion, Jeffery Beauregard Sessions will recuse himself from campaign investigations.
He says he BELIEVES he has no idea what questions about Russia is all about 3 days after the scandal broke in the NYT.

The actions favorable to Putin after taking office are a more serious matter. An independent prosecutor will be able to look at this matter as a whole while a Congressional investigation would be focused just on the campaign. A Commission would have even more leeway but could remain closed to public scrutiny and stay classified.

What we will know will be very tightly controlled. Could a US President be charged with treason for money? Not bloody likely.

Jim Comey has chosen a curious time to be tight lipped now.

The 'what if' questions abound in a sea of lies. What if it was Comey who should recuse himself as well?

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 05:08 PM

"Well Mrs May seems to get on rather well with President Donal-John and you think HE is a Fascist."

Right, and Pope Pius XI got on rather well with Il Duce. Just thought I'd mention it.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 05:57 PM

Recuse, hell. Jefferson Davis Sessions requires prosecution for lying under oath.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 07:15 PM

""Ye git that wi'e livin' alane so ye dae ...aye""
Just a reminder that you are the only one openly supporting Trump on this forum, the only one that ever suggested that Anders Breivik had something worth listening to, the only one who regularly targets homosexuals long after the world recognised that homosexuality was as natural as breathing for some people and passed laws confirming that fact, the only one to support forcing refugees to wear identification tags long after even the sewerest of sewer press had comared it to the Jews being forced to wear yellow stars, the only one (certainly on this forum) who suggests that the present crisis in the health service is down to misuse by patients, the only one believes Anne Coulter is a rational, sane and responsible media figure.....
Far from me "livin' alane, I suggest that you check that your own flat-mates aren't imaginary friends.
Rather than targeting me with unsubstantiated abuse, is seems that you are the recluse here.
Try arguing instead of pumping out propaganda on behalf of the feller who seems to be incapable of opening his mouth without provoking a national crisis
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 07:27 PM

I'd also suggest that akenaton stops twatting childishly around with fake Scottish that no-one actually speaks. I have a very strong feeling that he actually comes from Kent and, in real life, speaks a degraded form of estuary English. The twat. Och the effin' noo.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Teribus
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 07:57 PM

Steve Shaw posting on the 1st March - Labour Discussion Thread:

"If you think we deserve it, keep it to yourself and demolish us via measured, careful argument."

Having just read this:

Steve Shaw - 02 Mar 17 - 07:27 PM

I'd also suggest that akenaton stops twatting childishly around with fake Scottish that no-one actually speaks. I have a very strong feeling that he actually comes from Kent and, in real life, speaks a degraded form of estuary English. The twat. Och the effin' noo.

That's a mighty fine example of "measured, careful argument" Shaw.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 03:51 AM

"That's a mighty fine example of "measured, careful argument" Shaw."
Again Teribus, he's not left the starting gate next to your libraries-worth of personal abuse that goes back many years and continues virtually uninterrupted
I've said on numerous occasions that we need to get our act together - you have responded with further postingsful of personal abuse - I'd be happy to pull up some of your latest offerings if I didn't think it would fuck up another thread, which you appear hell-bent on doing here
We are all prone to letting rip on occasions, but I can't think of anybody other than you whose postings are based on personal abuse, from star to finish, with all the middle bits included - I put up one of yours containing five examples not too long ago
We all need to calm down and give it a rest, you seem to want to continue by pointing at other people
Maybe Steve needs to draw back, but he doesn't need lessons from a master of the art.
Perhaps you and your new apprentice, Iains could start by addressing people by their chosen titles rather than your contempt-generated "Shaw" or "Carroll" or "Jom" - which, I believe is deliberately inflammatory and extremely childish
For crying out loud, pack it in - you have been asked on numerous occasions before and not just by your victims
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 03:57 AM

Jim I am sick of refuting your disgusting slurs, I suppose that is you MO, keep pushing out the misrepresentations regardless of any attempt by members to explain their position.
All your charges have been dealt with by me on many occasions....and I simply don't care very much what a tunnelvisioned ranter like you thinks any more.

I could lift any one of your posts from years ago and read the same litany of misrepresentations and downright lies regarding your supposed enemies.
Nothing any of us say here will change the world, I come here to listen to other points of view, to argue my own and be involved in civil discussion.

You are a bore Jim.....you have no wish to be involved in discussion, you are a closed minded bully.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 04:42 AM

"Jim I am sick of refuting your disgusting slurs"
They are not disgusting slurs - they are an analysis of your politics taken from your own statements,
People like you have no problem describing me as "leftie" or "member of a pack" or "liberal" used abusively
None of these are strictly accurate, and tthey are fairly commonplace, but I don't whinge about them - I try to refute them with arument (not threats of argument - like you)
The answer is simple - respond to arguments instead of acting as a mindless mouthpiece for the monsters you support
Did you not say what I claim you said about mass-murderer Breivik?
Do you not launch into an attack on homosexuals whenever the opportunity arises, long after the civilised world has moved on and embraced homosexuality as a natural human condition - have you not described them as disease carriers?
Did you not insist that refugees should be forced to wear identification tags long after even the gutter press had compared them to 'Jewish Yellow Stars"?
Have you not ceaselessly targeted refugees fleeing from wards Britain helped to start?
Did you not try to pass of Ann Coulter - the darling of the K.K.K., as a serious commentator on current affairs, using what she had to say as argument for the Thug you support?
Do you not continue to root for a man whose fascism fits the definition perfectly
DO YOU NOT IGNORE REQUESTS TO JUSTIFY THAT SUPPOORT BY RESPONDING TO WHAT HE IS DOING?
I make nothing up - I respond to what you say and what you refuse to say.
Feel free to produce any lie I have told - I don't lie - I don't see the point
Awkward arguments are not lies, they are merely inconvenient - take a look at what you say - it's what makes you what you are - not me, or anybody else
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Stu
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 06:33 AM

Another thread on the midden of bile spilled by the usual suspects. Well done ladies.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 06:44 AM

For the last time.

I did not say Breivik was "worth listening to", I said he was a mad man who was also a symptom of unregulated immigration into a small country, causing serious societal problems.

I do not "attack" homosexuals, hate homosexuals, or fear homosexuals, my view is that sexual intercourse between males is extremely dangerous and unhealthy and should not be promoted by legislation.
I produce horrific health figures to back up my view. produced not by me. but by the premier health agencies worldwide.

The wristbands and door painting has been explained to you a hundred times, but you prefer your conspiracy theories that some how the house letting agencies have a vendetta against the immigrants ...you are an imbecile.

Ann Coulter, one of the most popular authors and commentators on the right of US politics ...worth listening to.

Donal-John is no Fascist!

Now I have a castle roof to attend to ...read and learn

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 08:20 AM

"I did not say Breivik was "worth listening to","
Yes you did - I put it up and you accepted it
Here it is again - thoughout the thread you blamed multiculturalism and not the motivation of the killer
"Subject: RE: BS: Non-Islamic Terrorist in Norway?
From: akenaton - PM
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 02:42 PM
These are the actions which often occur when a people lose their voice, or are unable to make their feelings known.
Example the use of words like racist, homophobe, bigot here on Mudcat to shut down debate.....and most here are reasonable, intelligent, sane.
How do the less literate come to terms with these problems?
There are great numbers of people in our society and in the US who disagree strongly with the policies of parties which are to all intents and purposes indistiguishable from one another.
For years they have been ramming through poisonous policies against which the ordinary folk have no redress.
Example..a couple of years ago anyone who suggested a cap on immigration here was branded a racist and a bigot.....now this has been accepted by every party as necessary.
We now need to tackle the failed notion of "multiculturalism" along with many other social idiocies.
"I do not "attack" homosexuals, hate homosexuals, or fear homosexuals, my view is that sexual intercourse between males is extremely dangerous and unhealthy and should not be promoted by legislation."
THat's what I said - you target a large number of people who are different to you
THak youu for confirming that so succinctly
Your attitude to the identification tags is what it is - a support of the wearing of "yellow star" type insignia after it had been officially identified and condemned as dangerous to the wearer
"Ann Coulter, one of the most popular authors and commentators on the right of US politics ...worth listening to."
She is a racist supporter of Trump who has suggested publicly the poisoning of his opponents.
Making her "worth listening to" confirms what you are - thanks for that.
"Donal-John is no Fascist!"
Course he isn't - why don't you explain why you defend him?
"Donal-John"
Your sycophancy is sickening - nice bit of alliteration, even if I say so myself
Finished here Stu
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 08:28 AM

Sorry Stu, but it seems impossible to respond to Trumps main supporter other than to respond to him
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 08:46 AM

Regarding my most recent post that has been expunged;

For future reference was their another unwritten law I transgressed?
Is waving a red flag in front of a bull-y illegal?
Checking with the thread originator, all seemed fine.

The subject was that of the many here who share Trump traits , some are on the left.

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Nothing of yours was deleted from this thread. It apparently didn't save correctly. --mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 11:10 AM

Jim, as you have failed to support any of your disgusting allegations I expect an apology in due course.

and I didn't miss your bigoted post about Christianity and homosexuals before it was correctly erased.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 11:38 AM

You guys get too easily distracted by your personal pathos than the ethos you purportedly debate.

I think Jim sees Ake as patient zero spreading a form of undemocratic oligarchic fascism around the world.

He shouldn't and Ake doesn't have the logos, ethos, psychos or cash.
Trump does.

Donald has completed 3 of the five steps to dictatorship.

I bet one dollar that Trump goes down before Putin because of our system and civil servants.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 11:44 AM

He shouldn't and Ake doesn't have the logos, ethos, psychos or cash.
Trump does.

Ah, but Don - Trump can't do squat by himself. The danger is in his supporters & accolytes.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Teribus
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 12:35 PM

So tell us who else has been banned from the White House?

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 12:52 PM

"Jim, as you have failed to support any of your disgusting allegations"
You have failed to respond to the examples I put up - denials don't count in the face of facts.
You acused my of lying - I confirmed what I said as the truth
Didntt bother with
"Ann Coulter, one of the most popular authors and commentators on the right of US politics ...worth listening to" but BUT WHY NOT!!
"I think Jim sees Ake as patient zero spreading a form of undemocratic oligarchic fascism around the world."
I don't Don, but you can only deal with the devil you see
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 01:14 PM

So tell us who else has been banned from the White House?

Sanity.

Intelligence.

Truthfullness.

Cognizance.

Maturity.

Integrity.

Need more?

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 01:41 PM

He means Flynn

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Teribus
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 03:57 PM

Your usual below par performance Greg F. I think that the things you mentioned are all "whats".

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Mar 17 - 04:14 PM

I think that the things you mentioned are all "whats".

But none the less true - and they incorporate and subsume the who.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Mar 17 - 05:47 AM

The plit thockens.
This is safely buried away on page 38 of this morning's Times (U.K.)
Jim Carroll

PRESIDENT'S SON-IN-LAW MET PUTIN ENVOY AT TRUMP TOWER
United States
Rhys Blakely Washington

The White House revealed further contacts between senior advisers and the Russian ambassador yesterday, hours after President Trump complained of a witch-hunt against his administration.
Officials confirmed that Jared Kushner, Mr Trump's son-in-law and one of his closest confidants, met Sergey Kislyak in a previously undisclosed 20-minute meeting in Trump Tower in New York last December.
Mike Flynn, the retired general who resigned last month as national security adviser after he misrepresented his conversations with Mr Kislyak, was also present.
Contacts between Russian offi¬cials and Trump campaign staff are the subject of investigations by the FBI and two congressional intelli¬gence committees. They are exam¬ining alleged Kremlin meddling in last November's presidential elect¬ion.
It emerged that Mr Kislyak also met two other Trump campaign advisers during the Republican national convention in July: Carter Page, a former banker who has advised on Russian energy deals and who lived in Moscow for several years, and J D Gordon, who was a national security adviser to Mr Trump.
It is not unusual for foreign diplomats to have contact with presidential campaigns, and the Department of State funded an initiative to bring foreign ambassadors to the Republican and Democrat political conventions last summer.
The White House, however, has repeatedly downplayed the Trump campaign's contacts with Russian officials. The issue threatened to overshadow a speech Mr Trump made to Congress on Tuesday, where he laid out an ambitious programme of spend¬ing increases and cuts that will face re¬sistance from fiscal conservatives.
Jeff Sessions, the attorney-general, said on Thursday that he would step away from any investigation- into Kremlin meddling in the election after it emerged that he had spoken to Mr Kislyak twice, in July and September. Mr Sessions was criticised by Democrats for telling a Senate
confirmation hearing in January that he did not "have communications with the Russians" while acting as a surrogate for the Trump campaign.
Mr Sessions said that he would give a formal clarification to his Senate testi¬mony. He added that his conversation with the Russian ambassador had covered terrorism and Ukraine. He said he did not accept an invitation to lunch from the ambassador.
In a series of tweets yesterday Mr Trump said that his attorney-general had been the victim of witch-hunt. "Jeff Sessions is an honest man. He did not say anything wrong. He could have stated his response more accurately, but it was clearly not intentional... The real story is all of the illegal leaks of classified and other information. It is a total 'witch-hunt!'"
Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, said: "All this is very much reminiscent of a witch-hunt and the McCarthyism era that we all thought was long gone." Sarah Isgur Flores, a spokeswoman for Mr Sessions, said that the attorney-general did not meet Mr Kislyak as a Trump supporter but in his former capacity as a member of the Senate armed services committee.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Mar 17 - 09:06 AM

I like my plot thickened

THIS WEEKS SATURDAY 6 AM TWEETS

Trump has explained the whole thing in 30 characters or less

-Obama did it all=

Actual tweet;

Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Mar 17 - 09:18 AM

More lying and stupidity from President Assclown. Nothing new to see here, move along.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Mar 17 - 09:18 AM

Donuel wasn't kidding:

Story here

It seems Donal-Jerk has gone around the bend, no wait, he's been there as long as I can remember.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Mar 17 - 10:51 AM

Rules and laws are not trumps strong suit.

We have a FISA court that can allow the 'tapping' of aliens speaking to aliens but once an American is on the line they are supposed to stop. However if there is a warrant to listen to the American the recording keeps going.

I do not know about the type of FISA warrant used here but lets assume Flynn had no warrant on him. That means someone broke the rule and then leaked the information possibly due to a preponderance of conscience.

This is still a lot of assumptions but this explanation is more straight forward than saying "Obama and his people did it".


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Meanwhile 11 billion dollars of tax payer money is given to Private Prisons to detain the undocumented under Trumps deportation policy , up by 500%. 3,500 Latinos are increasing to 20,000 in these private prisons and factories.
The products made in these factory prisons make products that say 'Made in America'.

Maybe a further investigation is needed into a lot of corruption.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: bobad
Date: 04 Mar 17 - 11:16 AM

Don't forget he actively encouraged Russia to hack Hillary's email.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Mar 17 - 11:24 AM

By actively Mr. Red means on multiple national TV channels.

I saw it repeatedly.


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http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2017/02/27/private-prisons-comeback

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: bobad
Date: 04 Mar 17 - 12:06 PM

Although Trump provided no information that he may have been monitored, Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA) stated that the president may want to lawyer up.

"Mr. President: If there was a wiretap at Trump Tower, that means a fed judge found probable cause of crime which means you are in deep shit," Lieu wrote. After providing a link to a Washington Post article on Trump's tweets and the fallout, Lieu took it a step further.

"Either @realDonaldTrump is paranoid like Nixon, or judge found probable cause of crime for #wiretap. Either way our President is in trouble," he wrote.

Raw Story

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: bobad
Date: 04 Mar 17 - 12:12 PM

Robert Reich
18 mins ·

This morning Trump went berserk, tweeting a series of bizarre accusations charging that former president Barack Obama orchestrated a "Nixon/Watergate" plot to tap the phones at his Trump Tower headquarters last fall in the run-up to the election. Citing no evidence, he said the former president was a "Bad (or sick) guy!"

Folks, we've got a huge problem on our hands. Either:

1. Trump is more nuts than we suspected -- a true paranoid.

2. Or he's correct, in which case there's probable cause that he committed treason. A president can't order a wiretap. For federal agents to obtain a wiretap on Trump's phone conversations, the Justice Department would first have had to convince a federal judge that it had gathered sufficient evidence that there was probable cause to believe that Trump had committed a serious crime or was an agent of a foreign power, depending on whether it was a criminal or foreign intelligence wiretap.

3. Or Trump's outburst was triggered by a commentary on Breitbart News reporting an assertion Thursday night by rightwing talk-radio host Mark Levin suggesting Obama and his administration used "police state" tactics last fall to monitor the Trump team's dealings with Russian operatives. If this was the source of Trump's ravings this morning, we've got a president willing to put the prestige and power of his office behind a baseless claim emanating from rightwing purveyors of lies.

So there you have it -- either he's paranoid, he likely committed treason, or he's making judgments based on rightwing crackpots. Each of them is as worrying as the other.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Mar 17 - 12:31 PM

either he's paranoid, he likely committed treason, or he's making judgments based on rightwing crackpots

OR ?? He's ALL THREE.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Mar 17 - 01:14 PM

Bobad, Its a YUGE problem.

No one is a bigger better (worse) liar, traitor or treasonous President than Donald.

I wouldn't blame the Secret Service for asking for assistance from the National Guard.

A desperate and wounded animal is dangerous.
That goes for Donald as well as his opponents.

As for his supporters, they have 2 words, 'fake news'.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Mar 17 - 02:12 PM

The yuge unforeseen new problems are as follows.

Although Sessions is recused, new law specifies only him as the man to choose a special prosecutor.
Democrats will be unhappy with this politically as well as a Republican Congressional Investigation. That leaves, as I have said, an independent Commission which would be as classified as the Warren or 9-11 Commission.

Meanwhile intelligence agencies continue their work along with sleuths, but to be fair there is NO official investigation.

With 48% of Americans becoming displeased that their hero is an accused traitor by fake news, I am guessing a Commission that holds findings classified will be used to soothe worries about insurrection.
Alan Dershowitz agrees with me on this commission route.

In the long long run, while Trump keeps inadvertently implicating himself I bet that lesser scape goats will be sacrificed and the true findings sealed.

As for Trump, he is smart enough to chose the option with no prison time. As Red said (sic.) meet the new President Pense similar to the old President.

Like gillymor said, I am not kidding...but the future is not written in stone.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: bobad
Date: 04 Mar 17 - 05:52 PM

Was this the payback for Putin's help in the election?

Retweeted Garry Kasparov (@Kasparov63):

The GOP platform change on UKR is a smoking gun, as I said at the time. Russia edited it through Trump & his team. https://t.co/9dB8NC8d0j https://t.co/d2MveZmbZg

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Mar 17 - 02:38 PM

In this Russian Game of Thorns and the US oily olive branch saga, imagine you are Putin. You have lost all hope that your useful idiot is too idiotic to be helpful anymore.

Putin has killed 4 intelligence agents we know of and is spending big bucks looking for Steele.

Trump is ahead with only two cabinet members ruined.

In this case there is a silver lining......but its made of Plutonium.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 17 - 06:40 AM

25th Amendment time

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 04:20 AM

The guy is running scared!

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 07:34 AM

Article in the Irish Times this morning oints out that there are 50,000 undocumented (illegal) WHITE Irish people living in the U.S. at present
Trump is targeting the Mexican (BROWN SKINNED) illegals
If that isn't a breach of the Constitution......
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Stu
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 10:39 AM

One good thing Trump is doing is he's illustrating the fact a written constitution is not the best way to define law and government and an albatross around the neck of any civilised country. You can yell about breaches of constitution or amendments or whatever but the truth is constitutions are wide open to individual interpretation and abuse; the founding fathers never meant for the mass slaughter of innocents to occur because of their laws on keeping guns, but that's what's happening and the constitution allows it, at least according to the loons who seem to dictate the way that part of the constitution is interpreted.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 01:27 PM

Quote of the day from Bernard Frum, former speech-writer to George W Bush
"Trump is flipping into an outright personality breakdown in full public view".
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 02:38 PM

a written constitution is not the best way to define law and government

So an anarchic, ad hoc approach is somehow better? How, pray?

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 02:42 PM

Sorry to tell you Greg, England and later the United Kingdom has managed without one for a thousand years.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Mar 17 - 05:12 PM

Thanks, Rag, but you're not telling me anything I didn't know. I was simply reacting to Stu's absurd thesis.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 03:52 AM

Interesting development reported by Wikileaks.

Apparently US agencies have been carrying out wholesale hacking of phones


hacking

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 05:06 AM

Old news Ake - that's what they do
Nothing about your friend Trump though - or of Obama having anything to do with hacking him
Smokescreen to cover the foot in mouths from the Thug in the White House
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Stu
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 06:19 AM

"So an anarchic, ad hoc approach is somehow better? How, pray?"

Er, did I suggest it was? Burn your straw man.

There's more than one way to run a country and an unwritten constitution is one; the US constitution is inflexible and anachronistic and whilst there is plenty of stuff to be admired within it, there is no doubt it's open to interpretation and is used to bolster beliefs and dogmas that have no place in the modern world if the human race his never to process.

It's unquestionable and used to silence any alternative views. See: guns.

Subject: RE: BS: Press Banned from WH who's next?
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 08 Mar 17 - 09:11 AM

You overlook the Magna Carta?

The current popular interpretation of "to bear arms" doesn't mean the Constitution stifles alternative views. It means that the high dollar gun lobby has influenced a lot of people to accept a certain reading of it. And that lobby stifles all naysayers.