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BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!

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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 11:30 AM

For the sake of accuracy Keith - could you please link me to where I suggested "invading" anywhere
I seem to remember you lied about my having done so at the time
Perhaps you can prove me wrong
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 10:38 AM

"You and I were alone on Mudcat supporting a punishment strike against Assad for his use of chemical weapons, as I said."
You lied - as I said and your posts proved - you opposed intervention and you suggested that sending riot control equipment to Assad was preferable
Sorry Keith - you have your own statements - you're not going to lie your way out of this one and you would be stupid to try
But feel free - all grist to the mill
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Stu
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 09:45 AM

"I think the less brain dead would call it evidence."

Brilliant reply, cuts to the quick whilst displaying a soupçon of erudition and wit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 09:28 AM

Jim,
Yo have been presented with a list of your statements opposing intervention

You and I were alone on Mudcat supporting a punishment strike against Assad for his use of chemical weapons, as I said.

You had also advocated Western ground troops invading another troubled Muslim country, this time Syria.
You were completely alone in that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Iains
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 09:23 AM

Unproven? According to whose and what criteria?
I think the less brain dead would call it evidence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Stu
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 09:00 AM

"and now cruise missiles launched on the basis of unproven allegations!"

Unproven? According to whose and what criteria?


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 08:12 AM

I'll be less kind than Stu. Iains: you are in cloud cuckoo land.


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 08:03 AM

Donald the braindead said something four years ago - he is now saying the opposite"
Back in 2013, a much wiser Donald Trump tweeted the following"
Trump is a vicious moron - it would be a charity to suggest he has a mind to change
Your point is?
America has now fired on Homs air base - to date 9 civilians ahve been killed


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Iains
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 07:52 AM

Stu

Back in 2013, a much wiser Donald Trump tweeted the following
AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA ? IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!

and now cruise missiles launched on the basis of unproven allegations!


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Stu
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 07:42 AM

" Trump has fired off the hip on a whim with no proof whatsoever, despite all the warbling to the contrary."

Remarkable. I wonder what your motivation for posting this comment is?


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 07:00 AM

This, from this morning's Irish Times - taken from The New York Times
All lies or what Iain and Ake , or what?
Jim Carroll

THE MANY WAYS ASSAD HAS KILLED HIS OWN PEOPLE
Russell Goldman

REGIME'S METHODS RANGE FROM CHEMICAL WEAPONS TO MASS STARVATION
In six years of war, President Bashar al-Assad of Syria has overseen a campaign of carnage, turning an enormous cache of deadly weapons against the very people they were presumably stockpiled to protect. In a campaign to crush rebels and jihadis, Assad and his allies have relied on tactics that go far beyond the norms of modern warfare to kill many thousands of Syrians. Here are the ways they have done it.

CHEMICAL WEAPONS
In the latest attack on civilians, more than 100 people, including children, were believed to have been killed by chemical weapons in a rebel-held town in Idlib province on Tuesday. A doctor there said the victims' pupils were reduced to pin- hole-size dots, a characteristic of nerve agents and other banned toxic substances.
The United States put the blame for the attack on the Syrian government and its patrons, Russia and Iran, and suggested that the salvo was a war crime. While the attack was among the deadliest uses of chemical weapons in Syria in years, it was far from an isolated case.
During the war, the Assad government has been accused
of regularly using chlorine gas, which is less deadly than the agent used on Tuesday and is legal in its commercial form.
According to the Violations Documentation Centre, a Syrian local monitoring group that compiles data on human rights breaches, more than 1,100 Syri¬ans have been killed in chemical weapons and gas attacks.
There are reports that the Islamic State terror group, also known as Isis, has used mustard agent in northern Syria.

SIEGE TACTICS AND STARVATION
In a war that has involved some of the modem world's most dan¬gerous weapons, Assad and his allies have also used an ancient tactic to devastating effect: siege warfare.
Last year, government troops brought the rebel-held districts of Aleppo, Syria's largest city before the war, to their knees, besieging them for months. Hundreds of thousands of people there and in other besieged cities risked starving to death, and many hundreds succumbed to the stranglehold that forces loyal to As¬sad had on the city's food supply-
In September 2016, after the Assad government agreed to allow international aid convoys to enter Aleppo, Russian or Syrian warplanes attacked the trucks, killing about 20 people and leading to a suspension in aid.
A month earlier, the rebel-controlled city of Daraya, after four years of siege and bombings, struck a deal to surrender to the government.
Rebel forces and Islamic State have also besieged government-controlled areas on a smaller scale.

MASS EXECUTIONS AND TORTURE
The Syrian government has summarily executed 5,000-13,000 people in mass hangings in just one of its many prisons since the start of the six-year-old uprising against As¬sad, Amnesty International said in a report in February. Inmates are kept under conditions so dismal - including regular, severe beatings and deprivation of food, water, medicine and basic sanitation - that they amount to deliberate extermination, defined under international law as a crime against humanity, the report said.

BARREL BOMBS AND TARGETING OF HOSPITALS
Syrian and Russian warplanes have bombed civilian targets and population centres, hitting mosques, schools and markets. Government forces have struck rebel-held areas with barrel bombs, large containers filled with explosive material and shrapnel. Air strikes have also targeted hospitals.
According to the Physicians for Human Rights, more than 300 hospitals have been attacked, a phenomenon the Unit¬ed Nations has likened to a "weapon of war". Rebels have also shelled civilian areas, but their weapons are less powerful.

SCUD MISSILES
More than 38,000 people have been killed in shelling attacks and explosions, according to the Violations Documentation Centre. Among the deadliest weapons deployed against civilians were Scud missiles, aimed at rebel-held areas in the early years of the war.
Scores of people were killed in explosions and buried under rubble when their homes were hit.
New York Times


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Iains
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 06:10 AM

Greg F. It it OOOPS!! yet?
Probably is for several reasons.
1) Trump has fired off the hip on a whim with no proof whatsoever, despite all the warblings to the contrary.
2)Russia was warned, therefore syria was warned, so all valuable assets were removed from the line of fire.
3) This is a complete about face in policy over the space of several days.
4) Is it the president calling the shots or deep state?
5) To crater a runway in Homs to make a point is a bit extreme in my view/

The stakes have been raised significantly with the possibility things could escalate with both Russia and China getting involved.

Dangerous times ahead. This is definitely more serious than a oops moment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 05:06 AM

Away from Keith's lying - back to the topic
According to this morning's Times -Trump is considering airstrikes against Assad's forces following the chemical attack
I was joking when I suggested he might consider using chemical weapons against Assad - now, given the man - I'm not so sure
A crazy, crazy world these monsters have made for us
What did you say about a Clinton victory risking plunging the world into war Ake?
Tell me again!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 04:28 AM

"
That was a fact."
Yo have been presented with a list of your statements opposing intervention and supporting selling equipment to Assad
You are now lying withing half a doxen postings of that list
You are insane
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 04:09 AM

No, still wrong Keith. Only you and Jim said anything on an insignificant folk music forum that few people see and even fewer take any notice of. Millions of people supported intervention.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 03:41 AM

Steve,
I said, "Only two people on Mudcat supported intervention back then.
Jim Carroll and me. "

That was a fact.

Your reply, "You don't know that, Keith. I for one didn't say. " was plain stupid Steve.
Was I expected to name every Mudcat person who had not bothered to contribute or express a view?

The fact remains that only two people on Mudcat supported intervention back then.
Jim Carroll and me, but Steve Shaw and about a thousand others said nothing about it at all.
OK?


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 08:53 PM

"I'm beginning to think that your hate campaign"
Obama's of curse
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 08:07 PM

"Jim, if we had intervened earlier, there is no doubt that Syria would now be under the full control of ISIS."
If we had intervened earlier Isis would not exist as a serious force.
Young Muslims were appalled t what was happening in Syria and they voluteered to fight Assad in their thousands, the West washed its hab=nds of the conflict and Isis stepped into the gap.
Assad's henchmen were deserting his ranks and begging Britain to put pressure on the regime as he had some respect for our leadership and political traditions, particularly because of his English wife - they did sweet fuck all
They suggested Britain confiscate the millions-worth of property and assets he haeld in London - nothing
Assad's gofer brother-in-law moved in and out of London freely throughout teh massacres in Homs
You really are talking shite Ake and asking you to substantiate it in any way is a total waste of time - but there you go - the floor is yours - explain yourself - one-two- three
Now, here you are supporting Assad in the same way you did Brievik and Trump and the enforced wearing of identification insignia for refugees.
A really keeper of the flame for extremest right-wing politics.
Wasn't it a shame about Wilders - let's home LePen has better luck eh!!
I'm beginning to think that your hate campaign has something to do with his colour - a darkie who doesn't know his place
You really are a piece of work
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 07:53 PM

By the way, Dave, well done for getting my two favourite wines put on special at Morrisons, Torres Viña Sol at two for a tenner and the much-revered Signature Nero d'Avola down to a fiver. You're a mind-reader and genius, Dave!

Er, it was you, I presume...?


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 06:13 PM

"Come on Steve, don't beat about the bush. Tell us what you really think."

Well, Dave, what a bloody arsehole he is. Can you BELIEVE that post! Yesterday I was getting a bollocking from the vacuous Iains for posting too much and today I'm getting it in the neck for not posting to some thread or other that Keith was doing his usual w*anking in. Jesus wept, Mudcat is the love of my life (😆) but it's not my career. He's posted masses of utter idiocy in his time but that takes the bloody biscuit. Twattitudiness of the highest order!


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 06:03 PM

Hey Iains, Ake, Bo & Co:

It it OOOPS!! yet?


Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said Thursday that there is "no doubt" Syrian President Bashar Assad is responsible for the suspected chemical weapons attack that killed dozens of people, including children, earlier this week.

"There is no doubt in our minds and the information that we have supports that Syria and the Syrian regime under the leadership of President Bashar al-Assad are responsible for this attack," Tillerson said in a press briefing at Palm Beach International Airport. "And furthermore, I think it is very important that the Russian government consider very carefully their continued support for the Assad regime."


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 05:55 PM

Come on Steve, don't beat about the bush. Tell us what you really think.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 05:27 PM

Steve,
"You don't know that, Keith. I for one didn't say."

So you had no strong views either way.
It was a lively and vigorous debate. You had nothing to contribute.


What a bloody prick you are. I post or not post whenever I want, and you do not get to jump to conclusions about my views from that. It's lucky for you that I don't tell you what I really think about you a damn sight more often than I do, you arrogant little turd. If I were you I wouldn't read anything at all into the fact that I hold back. Incidentally, I can absolutely assure you that any debate here that you're involved in is the very opposite of lively and vigorous. You see to that with your tedious, repetitive, hectoring bigotry. You really do fancy yourself, don't you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 05:04 PM

Jim, if we had intervened earlier, there is no doubt that Syria would now be under the full control of ISIS.
We could only have provided air support to the terrorists, Assad's army would have been blown to pieces and who was going to volunteer to go in on the ground and oppose the Islamist psychopaths?

Not Obama after the US experience in Iraq, certainly not the UK, the population were deeply opposed to any further foreign intervention.

The removal of Assad and his army would have been an absolute gift to the Islamic State.

Everybody knows this truth but words come easy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 04:52 PM

"Only two people on Mudcat supported intervention back then.
Jim Carroll and me."
You are a detestable lying prick
Not only did you oppose intervention, but at the time Assad was massacring his people you supported sending Assad riot control equipment to quell the protests

Subject: RE: BS: Homs horror
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 08 Mar 12 - 08:16 AM
Me
"your proposal that Britain could sell Assad anti-riot gear to keep his people in line"
You
"Non-lethal equipment does not keep people in line.
Demonstrators live to continue the struggle.
Their cause gets global coverage and gains support.
You prefer lethal bullets be used to kill and demoralise them.
Hospitals trawled for survivors and protest suppressed.
You are a fascist Jim."

Subject: RE: BS: Homs horror (Syria, 2012)
From: GUEST,keith A - PM
Date: 11 Jun 12 - 08:14 AM

You have been opposing the use of military intervention from the beginning
This is true.
I still believe invasion should be a last resort.
You and your new mates Israel and Saudi were well to the Right of me on that, wanting it from the start.
You old fascist you.

Not only that, but you condoned Britain selling Assad sniper rifles at the time his men were cutting down the citizens of Homs
Subject: RE: BS: Homs horror
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 09:21 AM
You have clearly been searching vigorously, but all you have come up with is some sniper rifles.


You proposed that it was fine for Britain to supply to a monster that had filled his torture chambers with victims, them murdered them by the thousands when his torturers had finished with them

Subject: RE: BS: Homs horror
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 11 Feb 12 - 03:15 PM
"Even liberal democracies have to deal with riots.
Non-lethal crowd control techniques are preferrable to live rounds.
If only Syria would restrict its security forces to using tear gas and water.
It would not be such a crime to supply such things, compared to what Russia and China supplies."

Where, in all this, is your support for intervention?

Your support for intervention was describes as an invasion of soveriegn territory

Me
"Even on humanitarian grounds alone they should have taken steps to at least defend the civilians"
You
"Arab league and UN officials have tried and failed.
They idea that Britain should mount an invasion is ludicrous.
You are ludicrous."

Me
"You have been opposing the use of military intervention from the beginning"

You
This is true.
I still believe invasion should be a last resort.
You and your new mates Israel and Saudi were well to the Right of me on that, wanting it from the start.
You old fascist you.
Arab league and UN officials have tried and failed.
They idea that Britain should mount an invasion is ludicrous.
You are ludicrous.

Where is the "Jim Carroll and me" in all this?
You are a lying piece of shit Keith ? far from opposing Assad, you propsed selling him equipment in order to enable him quash the protests.

Never associate me with your sick opinions again
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 04:04 PM

How would anyone know that chemicals were being dropped from planes?

There were eye witnesses and by the pattern of saturation the gas could not have been delivered in any other way, ake and Iains. Are you competing for village idiot of the year or what?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Iains
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 03:23 PM

Greg F
I suppose you swallow Alice in Wonderland hook, line and sinker also.
How sad!


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 02:48 PM

whatever the mainstream media feeds you.

What the "mainstream media" (which is just that) can document and/or provide evidence for and be generally reliable.

As opposed to what Breibart and the total bullshit factories invent and lie about and you swallow wholesale.

Gotcha, Iains troika.


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Stu
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 02:47 PM

"How would anyone know that chemicals were being dropped from planes?"

It's a flippin' mystery Ake! How does anyone know Blue Whales exist because after all, I've never seen one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Iains
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 01:54 PM

dtheg
"Where is the evidence it was the rebels, Iains? Where did they get the planes to drop it from for a start? You keep asking for evidence that it was Assad but seem very reticent about providing anything to the contrary. Why is that?"
As yet no one has definitive evidence to substantiate any view, As I have already stated. Even your tenuous grasp of reality must surely realise that for Assad to use a banned nerve gas on his own people would be an act of extreme stupidity and hence would seem an unlikely scenario
Every time Assad is making progress something like this happens to get the pot boiling again. But you just carry on believing whatever the mainstream media feeds you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 01:16 PM

Steve,
You don't know that, Keith. I for one didn't say.

So you had no strong views either way.
It was a lively and vigorous debate. You had nothing to contribute.


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 12:57 PM

"The regime version is that they were striking an ISIS arms cache and it subsequently turned out that chemicals were in that cache."
Contrary to Assad's claims that the chemical attacks came from Isis stores exploding, he ambassador almost immediately confirmed that they were they were dropped from planes.
I should have thought that survivors from such an attack would have been aware of where the chemicals were coming from - planes in the sky - missiles dropping - bang - burns - whee, bust be raining!!
For christ's sake Ake - why are you defending these monsters - weren't Trump and Coulter enough for you?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 12:14 PM

How would anyone know that chemicals were being dropped from planes?

The regime version is that they were striking an ISIS arms cache and it subsequently turned out that chemicals were in that cache. How these chemicals got there and who planted them would seem obvious.
To any onlooker it would look as if the planes were dropping chemical weapons, but to do so at this juncture, when the war is virtually won and when mainly women and children are affected, would be a supreme act of idiocy.....President Assad does not seem to be any sort of idiot to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 11:57 AM

"If you have any information, give it""
I have done over and over again - go dig out Homs Horror
You already know this - you have attempted to smear Amnesty for producing such evidence as far back as ten years ago,
You only have to dig out reports of the systematic massacre of civilians at Homs - BBC television has had a field-day producing on the spot reports
The world condemned Assad for using chemicals - you have been given reports on this thread covering this
Britain was included in the condemnation for selling chemicals capable of making such weapons
You must have been visiting your folks on the Planet Zog when this was in the news.
This is a HANDY ENOUGH SUMMING UP OF Assad's behaviour down the years, one of many going back several decades.
Rather than demand evidence, I think it's time your responded with your own, don't you?
It's not my practice to denigrate young people, but conversing with you is rapidly becoming like trying to hold a conversation with a child with severe learning difficulties.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 11:45 AM

Where is the evidence it was the rebels, Iains? Where did they get the planes to drop it from for a start? You keep asking for evidence that it was Assad but seem very reticent about providing anything to the contrary. Why is that?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Iains
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 10:37 AM

"Everybody knows who is responsible - they have records of war crimes as long as your arm
If you have any information, give it"
Come on Jim where is the evidence?

Many many allegations no evidence.
You know what they say:- If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.
You Jim, are a fine example
I cannot prove the allegations one way or the other-conversely neither can you.
This does not fit your agenda so you resort to the usual bluster and insults.


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 10:24 AM

"Only two people on Mudcat supported intervention back then.
Jim Carroll and me."
Don't you dare associate any of your racist views with mine
You suppotrded selling "only a few sniper rifles" tohim at a time Assads snipers were trying to kill mothers and children with one bullet, said it was ok to sell him riot control equipment so he could neutralise the Arab Spring protests and appeased the sale of chemicals capable of manufacturing these filthy weapons.
You also called me a fascist when I suggested that the west should intervene to stop the Homs slaughter
Please be good enough to keep your filthy views to yourself
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 08:51 AM

Hey Iains, Ake, Bo & Co:

It it OOOPS!! yet?   Even Twitler gets it- you can't mean to say you three are dumber than HE is???

Syria chemical attack has changed my view of Assad, says Trump
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/05/syria-chemical-gas-attack-donald-trump-nikki-haley-assad


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 08:41 AM

You don't know that, Keith. I for one didn't say.


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 08:40 AM

And, of course, Lieberman is a TOTALLY unbiased source! However...


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 07:40 AM

If only Obama had intervened as promised when they first crossed his red line on gas use.
Only two people on Mudcat supported intervention back then.
Jim Carroll and me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: bobad
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 07:29 AM

Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman said on Thursday morning that Syrian President Bashar Assad ordered the chemical attack in northwestern Syria, which killed up to 100 people, many of them children, and injured hundreds of others.

Lieberman told Yedioth Ahronoth that Syrian planes carried out the two chemical attacks, which were "directly ordered and planned by Syrian President Bashar Assad." He stressed he was "100 percent certain." The defense minister said he did not know if Russia was involved in the attack.


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Stu
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 06:55 AM

"...but to suggest that this particular atrocity was committed by either Russia or the Assad regime is to suspend logic."

The gas was dropped from aeroplanes, which the opposition don't have; this was reported by an eye-witness in a film shown on Channel 4 news. Only Assad or Russia could have done this, and the consensus is it was Assad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 06:27 AM

"Russia or the Assad regime is to suspend logic."
Why - they've done it before
Your buddy, Don the Don, blames them =both and threatens action
Knowing his mentality - he'll probably drop chemical weapons on them
"Well Shaw if you followed the thread i"
And if you proodeed an argument rahen than blustering ill mannered bull-shit you wish gain a little credibility
Quooting one of the accused as an argument - and you call us naive and believing everything we read!!!
Chuckle - chuckle
Everybody knows who is responsible - they have records of war crimes as long as your arm
If you have any information, give it
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 06:14 AM

We have seen no evidence of who used chemicals in the last three years but to suggest that this particular atrocity was committed by either Russia or the Assad regime is to suspend logic.

Who had most to gain from this disgraceful act?


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Iains
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 06:12 AM

Well Shaw if you followed the thread instead of jumping in you would see the argument all along is lack of evidence and how the MSM is accusing Assad of being the devil incarnate without any facts to substantiate the allegations. And you are the last person I would dream of paying any attention to. I suggest you go back to your weeds and wine and let the more clued up continue the conversation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 06:03 AM

"Given narratives" don't mean a fig. What matters is evidence. That's also how you assess the "neutrality" of sources, not whether they write in laid-back English. Try it some time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Iains
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 05:47 AM

Jim yes indeed. Why not? That is not the only website querying the syria narrative. Surely even you can see that it all falls together extremely conveniently to make Assad the badman. I have found RT generally gives a neutral coverage. As yet still no evidence to suggest Assad scored an own goal with suspected sarin. Not that this would be apparent to read the Guardien, NYT, daily wail and other MSM sources.
Surely even you must recognise the given narrative is flawed?


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 05:12 AM

A   link to a Russian website Iaians
Surely not!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Andrew Neil slams jihadist!!!!!
From: Iains
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 05:07 AM

An alternative view:-
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/383524-syria-idlib-chemical-attack-rebels/

Sarin is dangerous through ingestion, inhalation, skin contact, or eye contact. The CDC recommends the following PPE."GENERAL INFORMATION: First Responders should use a NIOSH-certified Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear (CBRN) Self Contained Breathing Apparatus (SCBA) with a Level A protective suit when entering an area with an unknown contaminant or when entering an area where the concentration of the contaminant is unknown. Level A protection should be used until monitoring results confirm the contaminant and the concentration of the contaminant."
Contrast the above with the carefully stage managed photographs smeared all over the MSM of people wearing white paper coveralls, and photos of a supposed doctor busy tweeting with no PPE. Now today we finally have a few photos of people in bright yellow CBRN suits.
Seems to me the scriptwriters lost the plot for a while.
Also bear in mind their is an international conference on the future of Syria occurring very shortly. Is someone trying to stage manage the agenda
I detect more than a whiff of conspiracy behind all this seemingly contrived affair.


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