What is your session like?

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 09:12 PM

after years of sparring with Michael Gill I came to the conclusion that bodhrans have no place in sessions. The rhythm of the music is already there in spades in the tunes. There is no reason on earth why a good melody player can't be as sharply rhythmical as any owner of the goatskin, and he or she is perfectly capable of giving backbone to the session.

A bodhran doesn't work for the kind of synchronization role I was talking about. A def or bendir does - it's basically the same drum played competently with the fingertips doing distinct "dum" and "tek" pulses, less of them but placed where they count. The dull attack and fuzzy timing you get with a bodhran tipper is pretty ineffective for anything except thunderstorm effects. (I have actually seen it stated in books on bodhran playing that the drummer should not attempt to track the melody - rather like saying that tuning is for wimps).

I use a washboard or (much less often) a guiro or castanets, and very selectively. I figured out what to do by listening very damn carefully for years to what the trap drummers in Scottish dancebands do, and by knowing the tunes I'm accompanying (nearly always I could play the tune if I wanted). I know it works: I can hear the effect, and see it in the response I get from dancers. A fiddler or whistle player can't do it when the noise and confusion get beyond a certain point.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 08:27 PM

Definitely of a different view to you there Steve and I think there are some very good ones round these parts.

Still if you've nights with the beat pulled all over the place, I have some sympathy...

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 08:03 PM

Jeepers, Kenny, I thought I'd replied to your post two days ago but on revisiting the thread I see that the ether has claimed my response! Thanks for your good wishes. I haven't lost the ability to play though I've lost a few tunes, only temporarily I think, owing to not playing them.

Well, Jack, after years of sparring with Michael Gill I came to the conclusion that bodhrans have no place in sessions. The rhythm of the music is already there in spades in the tunes. There is no reason on earth why a good melody player can't be as sharply rhythmical as any owner of the goatskin, and he or she is perfectly capable of giving backbone to the session. Arrangements for gigs or CDs are different matters, yet even then there's a ton of percussive crap around. Maybe I live in the wrong part of the country, but I've never encountered a bodhranista that I felt I'd want back next week.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 07 Apr 17 - 01:38 PM

Going back a bit on the thread, my comment re "session" v "singaround" or "singers' session" was in answer to the assertion from across the pond that "session" referred exclusively to instrumental-only events. Not so here in the UK, where there are a lot of "mixed sessions" where tunes and songs manage to co-exist peacefully, and even then, they can vary enormously in their format, from "round the room", "just jump in" or "2 songs then a tune or 2". The proportion of tunes: songs has gone up in our local session, since each person present got a turn to start something, rather than the tunesters being regarded as a single item, and no complaints about that.

But I do agree that you might want to be sure what you are going to, especially if travelling a distance, and if you don't want your session interrupted by songs, or conversely, tunes! There may be a description of what they mean by a session on a website or Facebook page, but if not, best to ask someone in the know.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Desi C
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 11:07 AM

Well our local The Candela club in Coseley in the Black country has n alternating of Singarounds and P.A nights when t lest 2 songs ar guaranteed, singarounds are especially welcoming of strangers as are P.A nights though they are probably more suited to more experienced players

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 04:22 AM

Flora, at the things I go to, the answer would usually be "straight away". There are often minor variations in tunes from player to player but things usually fit together all the same. If you did find your version does not fit in with the rest or that you have mistaken one tune for another you can always stop playing (and be wiser the next time the tune crops up). Sometimes you might only know one tune in a set and there's no reason why you can't just join in just for that one.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 06 Apr 17 - 03:01 AM

Jack - I do mean right. I'm a cac hander with the melodeon.

But, no one has offered an opinion - when to join in.
FloraG.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 05:38 PM

So what do you play, Kim - types of music and instruments and what would be your ideal format?

(me, usually attempted tenor banjo and mandolin in the more "tuney" do's but may turn more to guitar [an instrument I can't effectively accompany "Irish" music" on] and "singer" depending on the type of night expected - what I carry varies)

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Kim C
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 04:03 PM

Thanks everyone. I appreciate you sharing all your different experiences. :-)

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Ripov again
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 03:49 PM

Dunno what I keep pressing!
Just wanted to back up Kenny's bit about the Aberdeen session. Only been there once, visiting family; and a fellow with a cafe on the front pointed me in the right direction. A really great night at a pub (the old police station I believe) called the Blue Lamp. I'd be back again if it weren't for a 600mile journey!

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 07:09 AM

If someone is sitting on my right hand side they will only hear the chords of my melodeon - not the tune.

You mean left, I think. This is why it's a good idea for accordion/melodeon players to sit with nobody nearby on the bass side. The bass is a lot louder to other people than it is to the player.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 06:58 AM

I think room acoustics can be odd, Flora. Although I'm not sure anyone else had problems there, one room I could find hard was one where we on a sort of stage - informal seating for the session but used for rock and other things on other days of the week. Perhaps it was my seating position but on a bad night, I could find I could hear conversation from the "floor" more clearly than instruments close to me. But one gets by...

The venue currently used by both of the city sessions I might get to is one I enjoy acoustically. The sessions actually opt to use different rooms but I think both are good. And I think the general atmosphere is well suited to sessions.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 05:58 AM

Depends where your sitting and what instrument is leading. If someone is sitting on my right hand side they will only hear the chords of my melodeon - not the tune. I try to remember to play the tune first without the chords. Apologies to all when I forget.

We were asked once to do a Russian night in a pub - we turned the landlord down because we did not know enough Russian tunes/songs but also the acoustics were such that sound disappeared within 4 feet of where you were playing. Very odd.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 05:41 AM

Agree with all of that Jack

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 05:37 AM

a good player can help keep things together and provide a bit of interest

...if they play on the beat.

Off-beat rock/pop-style drumming does nothing for traditional music and is of no earthly use in synchronizing a large group. It's just self-indulgent. An instrument that produces sharp, precise taps at exactly the right moment can do the job of a conductor and make a huge difference to a large group that's drifting out of sync; do it right and you can be inaudible to the audience if you want, it's the other players who need to hear you.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 04:18 AM

I'm not sure I've had often had particular problems hearing what a melody is over a single bodhran Flora and I'm probably more sensitive to a noisy room with a lot of chatter in that respect. My usual difficulty concerns the rhythm. To me anyway, a good player can help keep things together and provide a bit of interest but the instrument's strength can create chaos in the wrong hands.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,kenny
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 03:46 AM

Nearly the other end of the island, Steve, but what you've described is what we have on a Monday night in Aberdeen. That's what I would call a session - others of course are free to disagree. Very sorry to read about your hearing problems, I'd find that very difficult to cope with, but what can you do ? Sorry also to hear about your local pub closing - there seems to be a lot of it about these days, even Jamie Oliver's restaurant in Aberdeen shut up shop recently [ not that it was known for its' sessions ].
Keep well, all the best, Kenny

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 02:57 AM

I do like a bit of percussion, but not when I'm trying to pick out the tune. How many times have we not been able to hear the tune!
Perhaps - 3rd time through - for percussion when its a less well known tune, as well the usual rule of one drum only.
FloraG

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Apr 17 - 05:32 PM

And that's on a good day!

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 04 Apr 17 - 11:52 AM

"or talentless drum-owners"

It's a shame Steve but some will "play" 4/4 to everything and most likely would think a mazurka a dish with lamb.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 04 Apr 17 - 09:36 AM

Moving on to the use of sheet music. It does come out once in a while in one of the sessions I get to and some players are good sight readers but I think it's usually only used as a prompt either to think of an idea for the next tune set or as a reminder as to how something goes.

Although I took O level music (getting a U) did have a few classical guitar lessons as a teenager and was once involved in part of making the dots available to others via abc on the Internet I can not sight read.

My mother on the other hand was almost (clashed with her physio finals and then had me...) grade 8 piano and could (some disability gets in the way now) play a lot when presented with the music but can be lost without. She sometimes wonders how I can do what I do (or try to do...) and I can be mystified as to how she can make sense of what can look to me like a wall of notes on a piano score and I can fail on a simple melody line.

Of course Mo is right that ideally one would be able to do both but at home anyway, our abilities (and lacks of) maybe at times are a bit of a contrast.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Apr 17 - 05:55 AM

Getting a decent session going in a remote, rural, sparsely-populated area of England with rotten public transport isn't easy. The resulting setup is likely to be unorthodox, but it does mean that everyone who turns up is determined for it to be a great evening. Just getting there and back home again can be a tribulation and you don't want anyone blighting the evening. In almost twenty years I can hardly remember a single duff Friday evening. There were no rules about anything but certain things didn't have to be said. It was mostly Irish/Scottish/Northumbrian tunes interspersed with the odd song or two. There would be the occasional bluegrassy or Cape Breton thing. We could chat for a minute or two between tunes and there was no particular sense of whose turn it was to start what, and we never had anything remotely resembling a leader. We knew a good few of the local potential session-wreckers and we closed ranks if they showed up. These were often guitar players with big egos or talentless drum-owners. We did let visitors join in but it didn't happen as frequently as maybe it should have. Makes us sound like a closed shop but it wasn't really like that. It was all very friendly. Never saw a music stand!

And the past tense is for two reasons. I had to stop going because my hearing is going south, and, a few weeks ago, the pub closed down (the Tree Inn in Stratton, near Bude, where John and Cheryl Maughan ran a great folk club for many years). Sad.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 04 Apr 17 - 05:36 AM

So when should you join in?
If someone starts a tune it may well vary from the one you have in your head. That suggests 2nd time round ( unless you know the persons tune sets well).
FloraG

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: Mo the caller
Date: 04 Apr 17 - 05:07 AM

Andy, I think some musicians (like you) are happiest playing from music, others learn tunes by ear. In my day we were taught only to 'read', not to hear, I'm glad that is not so now and both skills are valued.
So sessions are great for those who naturally pick up tunes by hearing them.
Not all sessions completely ban 'the dots'. Some will even hand round music for an occasional new tune.
I found the session that helped my learn to play by ear was a mixed session in the Shroppie Fly. Some helpful singers who shouted 'key of G' and all the instrumentalists noodled along.
It's not quite the same as 'learning a tune by heart', it's more teaching your fingers to play the intervals of a tune that's in your head without needing to see it on paper. Then maybe learning the difficult parts of the tune by heart.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Apr 17 - 03:47 AM

If you are trying to hold an audience's attention (which you should be if you're playing in a pub, the landlord doesn't want his customers to get bored and walk off) you want to vary the pace, texture and tonality. If there are 8 players round the table and only 2 of them can do a tune in B flat, so much the better - a spot with fewer players making an entirely different sound will get the punters to stop, listen and maybe buy another round.

Scottish music uses an unusually wide variety of rhythms, keys and tempi, though not many sessions exploit all of it. (I often play much slower than anyone else in the session, and I can generate a spell of attentive silence when half an hour of high-speed jigs and reels have been all but lost in babble).

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: Andy7
Date: 04 Apr 17 - 02:54 AM

Yes, I like the idea of the starter setting the pace.

Is there any etiquette for when 2 people accidentally start up different tunes at the same time? Obviously one of the tunes just wins out naturally, when more people join in with that one; but would the group then go on to play the other tune straight afterwards? Or would the person that started it have to wait for another chance to jump in?

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 03 Apr 17 - 09:41 PM

Interesting Ray and sounds fun. For me and tunes and mostly/tending towards Irish.

1. Life would mostly alternate between G and D (or one or two sharps) and most tunes have pretty established "session keys"

2.Tunes (typically 2A 2B) go 2 or 3 times round in sets. Sometimes a set may be agreed beforehand, sometimes a set may be an established one for the session, sometimes its a case of trying to pick up what the next tune is (and deciding if you know it to play) as quickly as one can. A set may usually be 2 or 3 tunes but sometimes people can add other ideas to that as things progress.

3. Percussion can be a touchy subject. I think a good bodhran player can be an asset but...

4. Squeeze boxes very much part of it. And pipes...

5. Yep at best the whole becomes greater than the sum of the parts or something like that..

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: BanjoRay
Date: 03 Apr 17 - 09:12 PM

I go to several sessions where we only play American Old Time tunes (and a few songs). I've been to other Old Time sessions here in the UK and also in the USA, and they mostly follow a similar format.

There is a set of "rules" which are implied but rarely stated. These are:
1. A key is decided upon, which is stayed in for a number of tunes until people decide on a new key. Sessions often stay in one key all night. This seems very strange to newcomers, but the reason is that fiddlers and banjo players often re-tune their instruments in a traditional way for different keys (usually D,G,A,C or occasionally modal A). There are a LOT of tunes in each key, which people gradually learn.
2. Anyone can start a tune and has the prerogative of setting the pace and deciding how long it continues. Tunes can continue for many iterations, which is great for people who've never heard it before. It's a great learning process, and a tune can develop a fine "groove" when no-one wants it to end. I've seen great tunes continue for 20 minutes... quite sexy really! You develop a sense of how long is appropriate, and people are generally very tolerant of beginners doing a tune their way - we've all been there!
3. The only percussion everyone tolerates is from the shuffling feet of a "flatfoot" dancer, preferably without taps. A good dancer can really lift a tune... Absolutely NO bodhrans, shaky eggs, tambourines, washboards, bones or drum kits. Everyone must be able to hear the tune as clearly as possible.
4. Traditional American string instruments are encouraged - usually fiddles, banjos, guitars, mandolines, an upright bass. No amplification. No squeezeboxes - unless it's a Cajun session.
5. Everyone contributes to the sound of the tune. We don't take solos (that's Bluegrass!) We listen to what people are doing and contribute to try and improve the overall sound. Play the version of the tune that the person starting it plays. Most of my repertoire of tunes has been picked up in sessions like this, and improved by listening to the old and great traditional players on record.

It's a great sound ..... Yahoo!
Ray

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 03 Apr 17 - 06:28 PM

I agree with Will on letting the person who starts the tune set the pace (and style eg.some will play a hornpipe more bouncy than others) but it's not everywhere that would be happy say dropping a (or several) jigs to some sort of "1/2 usual pace" to accommodate a beginner.

I believe one can sometimes find "slow sessions" aimed at beginners so it may be worth a look out for something like that?

--
Irish sessions can be very much just jigs and reels and I can feel that it's a shame other forms can seem forgotten. That said, some sessions may want it that way and it can be a good idea to work out what an event does before starting a slower type of tune.

As an example, I would happily start a Carolan set in one of the "Irish" ones I might get to but I would feel uncomfortable doing the same in the other.

Of course that sort of "what fits the occasion?" thing in itself can present other difficulties for beginners...

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Ebor Fiddler
Date: 03 Apr 17 - 05:50 PM

Will - next time, ask if they've ever been ON a canal in October? Rain, muddy banks, damp footwear .. Not the sort of atmosphere to encourage speeedy thoughts.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: Will Fly
Date: 03 Apr 17 - 05:20 PM

Andy - one of the conventions at our session - and many others - is that he/she who starts a tune off sets the speed. It is not done for others to speed it or slow it on purpose. I had an argument with a fellow-sessioner once when she said that I started off Frederic Paris's "Le canal en Octobre" too slowly. My reply was that I preferred it at my speed and that, in addition, it helped the less able players there to join in. It stayed at my speed.

At our last Ditchling session we played several slow tempo tune, including Scott Skinner's lament, "Hector the hero" at a very slow pace (it's a lament, after all). It sounded very sweet and got much favourable comment. So - my advice: learn one or two slow and gentle ballads - and then lead off on them.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: Andy7
Date: 03 Apr 17 - 01:06 PM

I feel excluded from tune sessions. Although I see myself as a reasonably competent fiddle player, I've never spent much time trying to learn folk tunes by heart, so at the few sessions I've tried, I've felt almost totally lost.

But that's fine with me, that I feel excluded! If I really wanted to join in properly, I could spend hours and hours learning the tunes, like the many talented players there have done. It's been my choice not to; and so I'm happy just to listen to those that can play by heart.

One thing I would like to see/hear more of at at tune sessions - just a personal opinion - is slow and gentle ballads. Just because you can play really well and really fast, doesn't mean you shouldn't sometimes play really well and more slowly! :-)

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: leeneia
Date: 02 Apr 17 - 11:27 PM

Hi, Bat Goddess. Your community is very lucky to have you.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 02 Apr 17 - 08:37 AM

A very healthy mixture of events described from Jon and Linn. I'm not sure about calling a 'singaround' a 'folk club'. For the majority of us 'folk club' conjures up occasional paid guests and resident performers giving 2 or 3 songs each, even on a club night, though I do realise folk clubs occasionally run singarounds and if there are plenty of singers a club night can be adapted to 'singaround'.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 01 Apr 17 - 07:31 PM

Yes it can be hard to classify, Steve. Most of the (and usually monthly) events that I'm aware of in my part of North Norfolk describe themselves as 'folk clubs' and are pretty informal 'singarounds' with the occasional tune.

The event I'm grouping in as a 'session' is more 50/50 songs/tunes (and perhaps more swayed to the tune side of this) and has a lot more 'join in if you know it' element.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 01 Apr 17 - 03:43 PM

After Tom (my husband Tom Hall, Mudcat's Curmudgeon) died three and a half years ago, I took over leadership of his two Press Room (pub in Portsmouth, NH) sessions and also the Press Room open sings during the Portsmouth Maritime Folk Festival. Then a couple years ago, I took over a lapsed circle at a house concert venue in Dover, NH. I renamed it the Voicearound because it's a circle of both songs and spoken word and totally different from my Press Room sessions.

My responsibility as leader of a session is to be traffic cop (making sure the shyer members get opportunities to lead songs or tunes), diplomat (to communicate between pub management and staff and the session), and, quite honestly, shrink (to iron out any other conflicts or hassles and try to keep everybody happy and avoid bloodshed). I'm also the folklorist, historian, and archivist of session history. We take time to discuss songs and tunes and related information -- I took over from Tom as one of the more knowledgeable participants and I pass on new information as I learn it. If I don't have an answer to a question, I find out the answer and pass it on.

The weekly Friday mixed (both vocal and instrumental) trad session has been running since 1982. It's primarily traditional English, Scots, Irish, American, Canadian, Australian, union songs, and sea music or newer songs written in the tradition, but you never know when a bit of bluegrass, old timey, Music Hall, or blues (or anything else, for that matter) may show up. Over 35 years we've been pretty welcoming to young singers and musicians and to people who have recently discovered this sort of music and helped them along to feel more comfortable performing in public and with friends and to help educate them in the music in the process. I've lost count of how many bands and performing entities have come out of the session. We've had a few marriages, too, not to mention lifelong friendships.

Our monthly sea music singaround (started in January 2003, and announced here at Mudcat and after the session, I list what was sung) is primarily vocal and a capella, but instruments are also encouraged and, besides accompaniment, we get a tune or two occasionally.

These two gatherings are true "sessions" with somebody leading either the tune or the song, but everyone joining in with instruments (except on a capella songs, of course) or on the harmonies or choruses. In the Voicearound, we go around a circle and everyone in turn gets to lead a song, read a poem or other written piece, tell a story, request something from another participant, or pass, but it's not a "session" where everyone joins in most of the time.

Linn

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 01 Apr 17 - 12:23 PM

So, there are lots of different shadings between a 'session' at one end of the spectrum and a 'singaround' at the other. I can see how that would present difficulties of terminology and would require a more detailed description when describing an event to a potential attendee.

I have attended and run many sessions around the country, some of them with certain specialisations and qualifications, particluarly at festivals where there can be hundreds of musicians in attendance.

However, the general perception of 'session' for at least the last 30 years in England is that a 'session' is pretty much a free-for all largely for musicians where singers are occasionally tolerated but not allowed to dominate. If you wanted to run a 'session' where singers predominate then I would suggest simply calling it a 'singers' session', purely for clarity. If your event is somewhere in the middle of singers and musicians then that also needs to be made clear. As some people already have stated they can be travelling some distance and need to know these things.

I am a singer and musician, but prefer the format of the 'session' to that of the 'singaround', although in the past 50 years I have organised and taken part in both.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 01 Apr 17 - 05:49 AM

I'm similar Kenny in that we (I don't drive) will do the 50+ mile round trip to get to one the Irish sessions when we are able but, these days, would not usually consider more than say a third of that for something like the more round the tables do.

I'd not put that down to limited (although at the local one it would be more than 2) chances to start something though. I think that for us, it's a matter of having (actually increasingly limited) opportunities to get out and prioritising in terms of what we can do.

Perhaps fortunately for me, my mother (the driver and a listener) is like me in preferring the Irish sessions both musically and as an environment for playing/listening so at least in the summer months when we can arrive in daylight, if we can just do one thing in a week, it would be a trip to the city.

Of course others might prioritise the other way round, some who got something out of one type might get nothing out of the other, some could even enjoy both and more...

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,kenny
Date: 01 Apr 17 - 04:12 AM

The terminology is important to me at least. I'll travel quite a distance to a "session" if it's one where people are playing tunes together, with or without a few songs interspersed. I wouldn't go 50 yards for something where I have to sit in a circle, and maybe play twice in a whole evening when it's "my turn", although having said that, I do on occasion, if there's another reason for being there.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 06:19 PM

Ok Rob. I can see your difficulty getting to cCrayside folk . It's been getting pretty busy lately too , so less opportunity , but more (mostly listening and/or playing along) participants and a few listeners .

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 01:54 PM

I don't feel any need to get hung up on terminology: suffice it to say that to me, "a session" is anywhere any number of singers and/or musicians get together to sing and/or play tunes or both. If you need to describe it to others, you can call it "instrumental", "singing" or "mixed songs and tunes".
As an aside to this, my 2 offspring, (when they were teenagers), fell about laughing when I said I was "off for a session". It obviously had some totally different meaning in their peer group!

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 01:40 PM

There's no stage in a session.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Some bloke
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 11:26 AM

I doubt it is the difference between a session and a singers night but considering the umbrella term folk gets descriptive knickers in twists on Mudcat I'll just smile instead mate.

A session around these parts generally but not exclusively tends to denote a group of musicians playing jigs and reels, "your turn" meaning getting to choose the melody if not the key or tempo.

There again, I sing at many folk clubs but doubt I've been to a folk club by my preconceived image for a long time.

Around here, there are nights that I would call sessions, singarounds and concerts with floor turns but unlike some here, I wouldn't use any term definitively more than 20 miles from here as local terms can be misleading.

Still, only one I can think of with "rules" and that's dying a death. We see the music as part of a good night out rather than a secret hand society.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: leeneia
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 09:07 AM

A good way to get beginners out of their shells is to say, "Show us what you're working on."

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 06:39 AM

so we went back to a stage area and two songs at a time.
The difference between a session and a singers night.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,Some bloke
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 05:00 AM

Wow.. lots of sessions with rules around here.

We get upwards of thirty people most weeks including audience and the banter between regulars seems as popular as the music. "What shall I do, I wonder?" "Bugger off home, tha's crap." Etc. We also have the Ed Sheeran / Sandi Thome effect. Quite a few teenagers and twenty somethings writing songs, improving by the week and that's great to see. Some even take a polite interest in my trad songs (or have learned how to humour me.)

Mind you, keeping it acoustic seems to be by default although we haven't invented rules or anything as daft as that. Save rules for committees of pigeon fanciers associations.

The nearest thing to a rule I suppose was when numbers got too large for everyone to sit where they are and play so we went back to a stage area and two songs at a time. That way we ensure more music, less shifting around and if people travel a long way to come (some do) more chance of getting a few songs rather than one or two.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 03:58 AM

I am a member of the camping and caravan club folk group and after the main national meet last year - a mini festival - my comment was I missed the unstructured sessions that often happen on the fringe of other festivals. This year they have put aside two rooms for unstructured events - although one is deemed singers and the other musicians. It will be interesting to see how they turn out.
FloraG.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: Alan Day
Date: 30 Mar 17 - 05:49 PM

I must admit to enjoying all the sessions that Will runs ,or helps to run. Above all friendly ,everyone gets a chance to lead a tune even beginners who are helped through their piece by fellow musicians. I enjoy session where artists are applauded at the end of their playing.I do not like quiet session where there is no talking and no applause. It took me a while here in Suffolk to get used to the chat ,stories that lead onto other stories and almost half and half chat to music , it is however very entertaining, friendly ,sometimes hilarious.All good friends together. Others are pub entertainment with enthusiastic audiences that enjoy the choruses and join in with gusto. Great applause for each performer,wonderful evenings.
Al

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 17 - 05:29 PM

Having for a long time gone to 'no pressure' unstructured sessions I am now enjoying going, as well, to a very friendly session as Marje describes.

After a while relying on other people to start tunes starts to feel like ducking a responsibility to contribute properly.

Subject: RE: What is your session like?
From: Marje
Date: 30 Mar 17 - 04:14 PM

Another way to do it (I'm not saying it's the best, but it can work) is to have a round-the-room session but invite novice players to choose a tune, rather than lead it, if they prefer. Then some one who knows it will start it, others follow, and the newbie can join in as much or as little as they want. Or just listen.

Marje