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Subject: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: momnopp
Date: 14 Dec 99 - 08:57 AM

I am beginning to think I'm a bit of an enigma, and I'd love to be proven wrong. I consider myself a dyed-in-the-wool folkie but I feel like I'm either much younger or much older than the majority of the people I see involved in folk music. Is it just that 30-somethings are busy with their lives elsewhere and only do the music thing in private? Did folk music skip most of my generation? Are there a bunch of closet folkies somewhere I should know about? Or am I just having a mid-life crisis at age 36? Looking forward to your thoughts. . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: IceWolf
Date: 14 Dec 99 - 09:01 AM

FWIW, I'm 37 and have been a folkie most of my life. And yes, I think that folk music skipped the majority of our generation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: JedMarum
Date: 14 Dec 99 - 09:13 AM

I find that many people don;t understand the term 'folk music' very well. Most have heard of Peter, Paul and Mary - so many think that's what folk music is. But I find that when those same people who don't think they like folk music actually hear folk music; they like it. When some folk artists actually flirted with main stream back in the 60's, my generation got to hear a wide variety of folk music. In later generations, main stream artists have been influenced by folk music, but few folk artists have had a mainstream impact. Perhaps that is why the 30 something generation is not so aware ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Bert
Date: 14 Dec 99 - 09:59 AM

You're too young to be having a mid life crisis.


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From: Skipjack
Date: 14 Dec 99 - 10:10 AM

Whatever happened to ThirtySomething? That schmaltzy TV thang with the guitar riff by Snuffy Waldren. I used to quite fancy Hope, her with the pointy nose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Margot
Date: 14 Dec 99 - 10:21 AM

I think it depends on where you live. Here in Atlantic Canada, folk is big stuff across the generations. I'm 32 and have lots of friends who enjoy folk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Blackcat2
Date: 14 Dec 99 - 10:31 AM

I'm 33 and have been performing Celtic realm folk music on and off for 10 or so years. Most of my friends in the folk music circle are a decade and more older than me.

When I perform at open-mike nights, my music is often completely novel to much of the audience but they often enjoy it. I know little of American folk music myself - I've lived in Southern California, Colorado & Florida - but missed most of the folk music that was around during my youth and young adulthood. I only dicovered Celtic/Irish because of a Sunday afternoon program on the local University public radio station. It was/is an hour long show hosted by Jack Friel who has an extensive collection of Irish (mostly) music. I was hooked after the first program.

Since then I've struggled to find people in the Orlando, FL area to connect with. I don't play guitar and mostly just sing a cappella. I play a bit of tin whistle and jews harp and the spoons. I was in a Contra dance band for awhile but that's strictly dance music and they had no interest in songs.

I have a friend who I've done some stuff with who plays guitar and has similar music interests, but he's a proffessional pilot and is often out of town. It's been quite frustrating, being "alone in the wilderness"

pax yall,


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Uilleand
Date: 14 Dec 99 - 11:55 AM

I just found the folk community here last year. And although age wise I feel a bit like a pink elephant, in all other respects it felt more like coming home.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: gervase
Date: 14 Dec 99 - 12:09 PM

Too young for a midlife crisis in your thirties? Pah! I've just hit 40 and have gone through at least three and am now blissfully embarking on my third childhood. As for folkies being old farts; one look around at Towersey, Sidmouth or any of the other UK festivals will show that, for all the greybeards, there are plenty of youngsters for whom folk certainly isn't a dirty word.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Bert
Date: 14 Dec 99 - 12:16 PM

Nah Gervase, those were just an excuse to buy a red sports car.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 14 Dec 99 - 02:03 PM

I am 39 and round here, I seem to be part of a generation that did not get into folk music most of the other players are at leats 10 years older or yonger than me but it was like that when I was 29...

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Emmie
Date: 14 Dec 99 - 03:17 PM

Dear Momnop, where do you live? I am 33 and live in London. I always thought that folkies were all older than me and rarely younger. Whenever I have spoken to friends or aquaintances about my love of folk music, they always looked really bored! I always spoke about it with my parents which is probably where I picked up an interest originally. Over the last year I have really been trying to investigate what is happening with folk in my area and the rest of London. There is a folk club down the road and an irish bar where they have live music several nights a week. What I have found is that there are actually a lot of people in their 30's who are into folk, you just have to look for them.Often they come out of the woodwork with more well known artists gigs. Generally there are more people of a broad age range listening to irish folk than to English.I think some of the younger people i have seen have possibly become initated into the folk scene through festivals. There seem to be more folk festivals in the UK than there were before but I am problably talking out of my... here. Emmie


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: IceWolf
Date: 14 Dec 99 - 04:11 PM

Blackcat2...

I'm over in Tampa, which isn't that far from Orlando. Maybe we can hook up and swap songs sometime.

--Icewolf

icewolf@tampabay.rr.com


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: momnopp
Date: 14 Dec 99 - 09:03 PM

Emmie, I live in Maryland (eastern US) and I consider that I'm pretty well-versed in the folk venues in the Washington, DC area (and a couple of other parts of the east coast). I always thought of most fellow folkies as being much older than me -- but you see, now their *kids* are playing folk music, too and so there are a bunch of them on the other side. . .

Bert, thanks for the vote of confidence! (No chance of my pushing up plastic flowers any time soon 8+) )

Margot, now I *know* I'll have to check out the Canadian folk scene - suggestions on where to start?


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Roger the skiffler
Date: 15 Dec 99 - 04:50 AM

Some time ago there was a thread about our ages and the analysis showed that my age (56) was about the median but we had a few teenagers and several seniors a well as a good spread of 30s and 40s.
RtS


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: alison
Date: 15 Dec 99 - 08:38 AM

I'm 34.. and one of very few in the folk clubs I frequent in their 30's....... most of the folkies I know are 40+

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 15 Dec 99 - 10:17 AM

I'm 36, and have only been into folk music seriously for the last 4 or 5 years. From my own experience and that of other people I have spoken to, it is around this time that a number of us 'come out of the closet' as regards performing/participating in music (we always wanted to but were to shy & have reached the age where we are less worried about the risk of failure, and more interested in enjoying the music). It is also an age where we tend to have left behind (or been left behind by) the mainstream popular music & have more interest in traditional things in general. Hence there seem to be older folkies who always were, younger folkies (kids of the aforementioned), and the thirty-somethings emerging out of the woodwork. Kris


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Davey
Date: 15 Dec 99 - 10:43 AM

Interesting thread, as I went through a period during my 30's when I was busy raising a family, pursuing a career, etc. and had little time for folk music, although it was always there in the background. It's been very much in the forefront for the past 15 years, however (I'm 55 now, and I agree with the comment that people only associate 'folk' music with Peter Paul & Mary or their like.

I'm involved with a fairly new Folk Club in Toronto's East End (we've been running for 2 1/2 years), and the people coming out to hear the music are coming back again and again because they like the music.

margo, where on the east coast are you? I'm a Maritimer originally from Sackville, N.B. and I get home for visits every couple of years. I do very much follow the East Coast music scene.

momnopp, try these for a cross section of East Coast music... Rankins (although they are verging more toward pop music and I've gotten away from them), the Barra MacNeils, The Irish Descendents, Ashley McIsaac, Natalie McMaster, John Prince and a Piece Of The Rock (actually based in Toronto, but playing some of the best Newfoundland music around), Christina Smith & Jean Hewson (traditional newfoundland music), John Allan Cameron, McGinty, and J.P Cormier..

There are many more, but if you can find any of the above you will get a taste of the east coast sound.

Davey... (:>)


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Wotcha
Date: 15 Dec 99 - 12:35 PM

Well, I'm in my 30s and I know a handful of folkies who look like they're in their 30s, mainly expat Brits, Aussies, and Canucks (Nova Scotians to boot) who enjoy this stuff in Kuwait. A good number of the others, however, are ... well ... very distinguished looking.

Now that I am divorced, and apparently have nothing better to do except wait for the next invasion by Saddam, I can devote more time to paying for the kids, teaching them about folk, and maybe even getting around to learning this darned anglo concertina thing if only I can keep the sand out ...

Oh, and if you are in your 30s, live in Cornwall, DC, or the Mideast ... or hash (H3), I'll probably be in your neck of the woods sometime soon.

Cheers, Ramadan Mubarak, Brian


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Blackcat2
Date: 15 Dec 99 - 01:24 PM

Icewolf - sounds cool - we'll see what we can work out.

Blackcat2


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Magpie
Date: 15 Dec 99 - 03:36 PM

As you can see, you're not alone, although it may seem that way at times. Meself, I'm 34, and I don't feel alone. But then again I'm in Norway, and things may be different here.

Magpie


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From:
Date: 15 Dec 99 - 05:36 PM

I have noticed the same thing. I am now 35. I started playing music when I was 29, but had been a fervent listener since I was maybe 19. When I go to song circles, I find that I am at least 10 years younger that the rest of the crowd. I sometimes get envious because they sit around reminiscing about the Good Old Days. I wish I had been more musically aware during that 2nd Folk Revival in the 70's. All of this amazing stuff was going on around me, and me totally ignorant of it. And from a musical stand point, I find myself sort of coming up short, cuz I haven't been playing as long as the older generation, and the younger generation have practically grown up with it. Everyone oohs and ahhs about these bleeping prodigies, but if you are an adult beginner they sometimes see you as a diletante, a dabbler.

The positive way to look at it would be that I can benefit from havng these experienced players around.

BeauD


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: sophocleese
Date: 15 Dec 99 - 07:53 PM

Yeah, at 35 years of age, I feel caught the same way. At a party a while ago they were talking about having a seventies revival party where we could all wear the same clothes we wore then. "Oh great!" I said, "I'll wear pigtails and my brother's hand me downs." I am often the only one under forty, or even forty-five, at our local song circle. Sometimes we have younger people join us but I think they get a little turned off by the age thing as well. Though we all do our best to make them feel welcome.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: ddw
Date: 15 Dec 99 - 11:55 PM

Hi momnopp. If you live in Maryland and are close to D.C., you're within fairly easy driving distance of a wealth of folk music. 'Fraid I can't put you onto specific places/Websites, but check out local tourist bureaus as a starting point and explore the mountains of Virginia, W. Va., and North Carolina. There are bunches of things going on (I know of a blues festival in Augusta, WV and there are lots of festivals around Asheville, NC. There was a thread a couple of weeks ago about one week of workshops, etc. in Swannonoa, NC. Try searching for "Swannanoa" and that should pull it up.

As for being a lonesome thirty-something in the folk scene, maybe its just that you had the wisdom to go for the good stuff a lot sooner than some of us old fogies.

cheers,

david


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Folksie Lady
Date: 16 Dec 99 - 08:13 PM

I'm still a 30-something folkie, at least for two years yet! I've been aware of and have enjoyed folk music since toddlerhood, when I began playing records lying around the house. There's never been a time when I didn't have it around, but for some years it was more in the background. In my late 20s I rediscovered it and began a full-blown involvement which is going stronger than ever.

But you're right, most folkies tend to be 10, 15 or more years older than I am. That's ok....I have only friends to gain, no matter what their ages.

Folksie


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: momnopp
Date: 16 Dec 99 - 09:47 PM

Hello, all - love the comments - and the notion that it isn't my imagination - there are *relatively* fewer people around my age (of course, all of them apparently participate in the 'cat!!).

Lest my comments have come across as laments, let me just say that I'm quite happy to be a folkie and have been one for as long as I can remember. I've just been aware for a long time that there aren't as many of my peers who consider themselves "folkies" as there are people older than me. I am pretty involved in the folk "scene" around here (Folklore Society of Greater Washington www.fsgw.org ) and love every minute of it. I'm also really jazzed to be able to communicate with people who share my love from all around the world.

JudyO


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: skarpi
Date: 17 Dec 99 - 05:24 PM

I have to say this , A good friend of mine said: you maybe listen to popp, rock or whatever you young people listen to but when you are about thirty well you are gonna like folk music . Well he was right, I am today 35 and live in south Iceland and when I write down this words I am listen to Clannad, I think my wife is going to ......... what ever, she said I think you have get some help for this, I am joking she likes this music as well as I do. Two of my bands member are 27 years old.

And Magpie I just got Lúnasa from the states it was the only place I got it from, but I was late to the postoffice, sorry me.

Thank you for telling me about them. All the best Skarpi Iceland.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Terri
Date: 18 Dec 99 - 12:07 PM

I have just hit 40 with a resounding thud and really only got into folk music in the last ten years or so, but it isn't something I like to talk about publicly.Folk music in Britain is still grouped in with morris dancers, aran sweaters and rather dodgy chartered accountants giving it plenty ( off key) in the public bar, with their finger in their ear and singing about things they know nothing about such as seafaring, famine or coal mining. It's not surprising we are viewed with suspicion!

A straw poll of the younger generation.... ( well, I asked my 18 year old)appear to take the view that folk music is depressing. My daughter reckons the plot is always the same in the end i.e. they all died. Most people don't know about the humourous songs or the parodies. Pity, really.


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From: Ali_UK
Date: 18 Dec 99 - 12:16 PM

I'm 34, I started going into folk clubs and singing when I was 19. I listened to all the other stuff that was going on in the music scene too. Being involved with the folk scene helped me broaden my tastes in music as the peopl at the local club where an extremely eclectic mix. Though I think I was th only one under the age of thirty there at the time *shrug* .


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Magpie
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 12:26 PM

Skarpi

It's grand, isn't it? I particularly like The Last Pint.

Magpie


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Callie
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 10:59 PM

I'm 31 and always the youngest at any session, unless someone has a small child (or animal) with them. It's not that youngies aren't encouraged in our parts, it's just that the scene is pretty dominated by the forties plus. Also, although they swear they're open-minded "sing anything you like!", to be accepted you really have to sing stuff in THEIR repertoire. Callie


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 11:16 PM

Callie: Can you tell us where you are and what their repertoire might include?

Just trying to get a picture of the scene.

Sandy (who is 30-and a whole lot of somethings)


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: tradsteve
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 05:04 PM

Well I'm seventeen and folk is certainly not a diry word for me. However, my peers don't seem to recognize what folk is if you say folk they'll -most likely- equate it some artist like Jewel... and that is quite a frightening reality. How did poorly crafted pop songs become the icons of folk music? There are a few people my age who vaguely know of Dylan but equate him with hippies. So in short if folk music skipped your generation, it's done the same with mine. Now we're left with a bastardized form. I think that it has skipped generations because of a lack of a catalyst and ignorance. We can't expect people to enjoy something they don't understand, so we all need to do our part and educate people on folk music.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 03:17 AM

tradsteve, if you want some lessons on the trad folk songs and customs, feel free to come round to my house.....

Dorset had just about got into the swing of the 70's folk revival when I started going to folk clubs in the early 80's. We always were a few decades behind the rest of the country. Only just got a McDonalds in the biggest seaside resort this year...... The county town ran a market that only stopped selling livestock in 1980 and there are no motorways(freeways) and mobile phones don't seem to work there.... so I was stunned to find that folk music still happened all over the world. I went to my first festival in 1982, and been to at least one a year ever since. And Gervase is right about Towersey, his son, Young Lummox has been known to enjoy himself in the barn, and doesn't hide when his dad starts singing.

Gervase, do you want to come and play with my train set??

LTS Another 36 year old kid.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: TerriM
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 01:51 PM

Don't listen to her,Gervase, it's a poorly crafted ruse to woo you with her womanly wiles ( try saying that when you've had a few!).


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Mbo
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 02:08 PM

In 10 years when I'll actually be in my thirties, I know I'll be loving Celtic & folk even more than I do now! --Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Magpie
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 03:02 PM

Mbo- Yes, it sort of grows on you, doesn't it?

Magpie


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: sophocleese
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 03:52 PM

Magpie and Mbo, I've heard that tea-tree has anti-fungal and anti-bacterial properties; you could try using it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Callie
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 07:49 PM

Reply to Sandy (some time later ... sorry!) . Perhaps I didn't explain myself. Everyone is welcome at our sessions, but I have noticed that some older folkies get territorial and sneer at stuff that isn't what they consider authentic. Songs go in and out of fashion too. I admit I have a wide perception of what one might sing at a session and prefer to hear a wider repertoire. A (thritysomething) friend of mine plucked up the courage to sing at a session for the first time. Can't remember what she sang, but one of the session regulars said afterwards in a very loud voice "oh - **** **** sings that much better" which was a real blow to my friend who was feeling a bit like a sheep in a ballroom anyway.

Location wise: I'm on the East coast of Australia


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Magpie
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 08:12 PM

Sophocleese !

Could you please send some over? :)

Magpie


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: flattop
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 08:43 PM

What on earth are you doing with sheep in a ballroom, Collie? Are they still short of women in some parts?


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: sophocleese
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 10:19 PM

I'll move, they might have tea-tree OIL (which I forgot to write in my last posting). If not I'll make do with whatever comes to hand. And Magpie sure I'll send you some but now I come to think of it I'm not sure exactly where you could apply it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Gervase
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 07:26 AM

Wily wiles or not, I'm never too old to play with a train set - particularly since my son (Young Lummox) sold my old one to buy industrial quantities of class B drugs and proscribed weapons. Honestly - kids today. I don't know where they get it from!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Timbobbin
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 09:12 AM

Well I'm 36 but I wouldn't call myself a folkie. I listen to some folk music, and go to the occasional festival, usually Cambridge, but I don't go to clubs. I suppose my musical interests are wider than just traditional music, and so I don't go with the label.

I have found that as I've got a little older I have a greater interest in acoustic music and well written songs.

Thinking about it I don't think any of my friends would consider themselves folkies although they will listen to the music.

Perhaps it is to do with our age group being busy with jobs and younger children.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: TerriM
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 02:02 PM

Gervase, my daughter ( you remember Fiona?) reckons they get it from us. I bridled, naturally, and then did a bit of remembering and you know, I think she may have a small amount of reason on her side. Point not the accusatory finger lest it get severely chomped!


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Callie
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 06:50 PM

Thanks for the misspelling, Flattop. I think I'll change my name to Lassie now. Callie


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 08:45 PM

Callie: What songs do those impolite old folk fogies sing that you do not, and what songs do you sing that offend their sense of propriety? (Even if old "so-and-so" did actually sing "such-and-such-a-song" better, it was just plain unforgiveable for someone to make that observation out loud and in the presence of the newbie!) Is the issue a conflict between the current singer/songwriter popularity and the older traddies' definition of "folk?"

Sandy, still trying to get the picture.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Callie
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 12:04 AM

I think it has to do with the definition of what is folk and what isn't. But also, songs and types of songs have mysterious and undefined (by or for anyone!) of going in and out of fashion/favour. For instance, for some time no one ot my local club has sung any Phil Ochs songs, and I overheard two people saying they never wanted to hear his songs again! Dunno - maybe I joined the scene just following an overkill Phil Ochs period! Also, people seem to sneer a bit at songs Christy Moore sings. Nothing overt like "shut up, you in the corner", but there is definitely the sense that the older trad songs (esp sea shanties and workers' songs) have more credibility. I agree to a certain point, because the oral nature of passing the songs on IS important. However, learning songs from recordings - whether recent or 20 years old - is still for me the most accessible way to learn songs and learn ABOUT songs (who wrote what and why etc). Also, as a jazz muso in a (separate!) life, I have a lot of jazz songs that tell just as important stories about people (eg Billie Holiday's Strage Fruit and Cole Porter's Miss Otis Regrets) but these songs aren't what most people regard as "folk", and I notice they're sometimes not well received at sessions, as though "ain't there something more worthwhile you could be singing?!"

Phew - hope I've explained myself! I still love the trad trad (sic) stuff and enjoy hearing all types of music from all kinds of singers. Maybe one day I'll have an entire repertoire of seas shanties up my sleeve!

Callie


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 02:53 AM

Gervase, my house, next Thursday then.....'Fraid it isn't up to Hornby standard, but there is a tunnel, a bridge and a little fat controller - yes Micca will be there as well..... Oh, and a wagon with a bell on it that goes 'tink tink' when you roll it along.... Just try getting that one away from Phoebe....

Terri - you have only yourself to blame. Trying to explain the evils of drink in the pub is not a good idea. Especially coming from a woman who once drank an entire pint of Baileys Irish Cream in one and KEPT IT DOWN (well, long enough to win the bet anyway...!)

Callie, you were obviously dancing sheep to sheep weren't you!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: Micca
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 08:21 PM

You just got to stick your chin out and tell the old fogeys to "Pog Mo Hone" the ONLY criterion for performance IMNSHO is how well it is done is it a "good " performance, Ie amusing, polished or what have you. I seem to remember a sequence at the sing around in the Barn of
"Home boys home"
" when the old dun cow caught fire"
" the last leviathan"
and an acaplla version of Cole Porters "I get no kick from Champagne"
all of which were listened to with attention and applauded to the echo.And thats how it should be the choice of material is with the singer. And Gervase dont let that pair lead you a stray, they are so hairy that if you have them to dinner Diane Fossey may appear from under the table.**BG** Micca (ducking and diving)


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: flattop
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 10:01 PM

I shouldn't let those ballroom sheep lull me to sleep, Callie. You seem to be making several valid points.

You friend was treated shabbily. Beneath an appearance of kindness and politeness, folk venues often have an underlying competitiveness. The older dogs have marked their territory and don't want to give an inch. Younger folks are poorly represented and not always welcome as folks who can contribute to folk music. You practise a lot, learn interesting material and can perform it better than most of the folks at the get togethers, but you're efforts are under appreciated by an audience of competative musicians who would rather perform than listen to someone else.


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Subject: RE: BS: Thirty-something folkies (???)
From: peg
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 12:27 PM

hi all; first off: tea tree oil (topic within the topic); this is great for any upper respiratory infection as well as holding off colds and flu if you catch 'em early. Just put a few drops in some warm water and gargle several times a day; also effective if you put a few drops into just-boiled water and inhale the steam...

as for 30-somethings: I am 36. Loved folkie-type music ever since 3rd grade when a scandalous divorced hippie teacher offered an after--school workshop in folksinging: Dylan, P P & M, Joni, you name it. I have sung all sorts of stuff, and studied classical voice and musical theatre and college. Found Celtic music sometime in my late 20s; and have never looked back, singing wise, though I do still love to sing torch songs and oldies by the likes of Cole Porter, etc. BlackCat: I sympathize with your not playing guitar: i only play a bit myself and can't accompany myself. I love to sing a cappella but of course can't do as many songs that way. I note you and IceWolf are both Florida critters.I will be coming down to the Clearwater area in March; maybe we can get together and make music at some point? Meanwhile I hope to put some sort of new band together here in the Boston area... peg


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