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The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.

GUEST,SByers 10 Apr 17 - 08:48 AM
Stanron 10 Apr 17 - 09:21 AM
Nigel Parsons 10 Apr 17 - 11:16 AM
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Subject: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: GUEST,SByers
Date: 10 Apr 17 - 08:48 AM

This has been sourced from a well known recordist of folk traditions. This file was recorded in the John Snow Pub in Soho, London, around 1965. The meeting was convened by Ewan MacColl and Bert Lloyd. It was a debate on the 'folk scene' and 'folk singing' (of that time) and included such luminaries as Ewan MacColl, Bert Lloyd, Bob Davenport and Alex Campbell.

Bob Davenport and Alex Campbell were invited as speakers, along with Bert Lloyd - Ewan MacColl was chairman. Reportedly folks got quite agitated and vociferous. Bert tried to keep the peace, and Ewan tried to chair. The thing degenerated into a shambles when it was opined by one member that a well known female was a crap singer. As the recordist opined "Not folk's finest moment, but an interesting piece of history."

Download link

https://we.tl/2U28jEJkta

It has only recently come to light.


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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: Stanron
Date: 10 Apr 17 - 09:21 AM

Another one of those sites where you have to click an "I agree" button to see the content. As I don't want to agree to an unknown set of stuff I clicked the little X at the top right instead.


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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Apr 17 - 11:16 AM

John Snow, You know nothing:)


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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Apr 17 - 12:43 PM

ask Bob D he's the only one still around & has never had delusions of folk music grandeur


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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Apr 17 - 02:22 PM

Bob is a great man, Jim Carroll was there as well, so you might get two different versions


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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Apr 17 - 03:24 PM

its funny how these old donnybrooks are going into history something akin to the Yalta Conference.


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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Apr 17 - 03:29 PM

Isuppose Jim is too busy below the line delivering killer blows, to Teribus and keith a and bobad


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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Apr 17 - 04:04 PM

VERY INTERESTING Alex talking sense, Bert Sounds rather like one of Sellers skits[ blue bottle] but also has some interesting points, fascinating to know what the audience made of him singing for weeks in a night club


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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Apr 17 - 04:12 PM

did i hear john foreman, at one point?


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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Apr 17 - 05:12 PM

Now, I have listened to the full debate, Bob did not distinguish himself, and was the cause of much of the trouble.
The rubbish, Bob talked about joe heaney and paddy tunney.
Alex in my opinion, came over well. he said"the song must mean something to him"he also said something apt about commercialism.
Ewan was remarkably restrained.


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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Apr 17 - 05:15 PM

Alex was right.


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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Apr 17 - 06:37 AM

thanks, very interesting


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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: Will Fly
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 03:47 AM

Bob Davenport: "Folk clubs are full of disturbed people..."

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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 05:26 AM

i find it interesting that people were concerned about poor standards 50 years ago.
"Folk clubs are full of disturbed people..."
Hilarious. especially in view of the fact that on that occasionBob seemed a trifle disturbed
in my opinion,Folk Clubs are only a reflection of Society. howver the recording seems to have been truncated towards the end before the infamous fight.
Alex Campbell had some sensible things to say.
I thought Berts contributions were flawed and unconvincing


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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 07:17 AM

BobDavenport, who doesnt play any kind of concertina or musical instrument[as far as i know]pontificating and showing his ignorance about Concertinas and Talking Codswallop about the English concertina


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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 08:54 AM

" howver the recording seems to have been truncated towards the end before the infamous fight."

Was it an actual physical fight?


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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 10:36 AM

I believe it was, my understanding which may be wrong is that bob attacked ewan phsically, Jim Carroll was there, he might be able to tell us whether this is right or wrong.
He might be too busy below the line verbally fighting Teribus and co


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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 11:53 AM


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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: GUEST,Ebor Fiddler
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 06:51 PM

And here was me thinking this was about the finest flower of our family, but no, just the usual inconclusive row about "what we will allow to be called folk" ...


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Subject: RE: The Great Folk Debate - John Snow Pub.
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Apr 17 - 07:14 PM

Yes, Ebor, and they were at it 50 years ago, it seems like its traditional for folks to be worrying about the uk folk scene, or what is folk.,lets hope someone is still doing it in 50 years from now.
We Brits are excellent at queuing,and fairly good on hot air expulsion


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