BS:Mass murder of defenceless civilians-Korea 1951

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Jul 17 - 09:52 AM

Involvement of course - ***** spellcheck
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Jul 17 - 09:16 AM

"Ehmmmmm No Jom, the members of the PIRA and members of the Official IRA "
No insolvent by armed groups have ever been associated with this massacre despite efforts to do so to exonerate the killers
The MASSACRE has been fully examined by an independent body and not one shred of evidence to back up the apologist's claims - done and dusted
I have no doubt you flag-waggers will continue to blame the victims - atrocvitiy deniers will always be with us
You depict the British justice system as being incompetent shit, just as you claim British workers to be layabouts and British industry to be crap and not worth saving
And you call me an Anglophobe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 03 Jul 17 - 03:49 AM

Ehmmmmm No Jom, the members of the PIRA and members of the Official IRA present in Londonderry have yet to be fully investigated, questioned and cross-examined on the events leading up to that day, on the day itself and in the immediate aftermath.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Jul 17 - 03:09 AM

"Ah so some animals ARE more equal than others."
Answer my points
The British Army wasn't a "side" in the troubles - the "sides" weer the Unionists and teh Republicans -
The Army was there to keep them apart, instead it chose to actively support the Unionist Terrorists
Once you allow the military to take sides in those situations and absolve them from the consequences of their actions you have the makings of a military dictatorship
THat is what you have done
"Ehmmmmm Jom - we are still waiting for one."
Thare you go - they have to keep at it till they deliver the verdict that suits your racist view of Ireland - even the British justice system is shit - and you call me an Anglophobe!!
You really must make a start on your personal 'Mein Kampf' and thrill us with your thoughts
You really are a stereotype - bet you salute in front of the mirror
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 02 Jul 17 - 08:27 AM

Jim Carroll - 02 Jul 17 - 07:08 AM

Ah so some animals ARE more equal than others.

Tell me Jom how is it possible - if you believe in peace and reconciliation - that only one side of the equation gets reconciliation through their actions and misdeeds being forgiven and forgotten?

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 02 Jul 17 - 08:23 AM

"Remind me how long it took to hold an honest enquiry into Bloody Sunday"

Ehmmmmm Jom - we are still waiting for one.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jul 17 - 07:08 AM

" EQUALITY means that if paramilitary forces are forgiven their deeds in an amnesty then the same must and should apply to all sides"
No it does not
Punishment and all acts of terrorism for paramilitaries are a different issue altogether
They are either equally punished or are let of by mutual agreement in order to calm the situation as happened in South Africa with the Peace and Reconciliation policy
The military is in en entirely different situation
They are armed by consent and they act on our behalf - as you rightfully point out, they are subject to laws and regulations and if they breach those, they are punished for doing so - no question of dong otherwise
They went in as peacekeepers and they took sides - unacceptable
They are not "a side" as you suggest - they are mediators - or should have been
If UN peacekeepers behaved as they did they would have been banged up
Stupid argument from a stupid individual
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jul 17 - 06:24 AM

"AW Jom!!! Don't be so coy my little scouse tooth-sucker here's the whole post for you to read again:"
Yup - invective always saves the bother of replying
Whether there was an amnesty or not, it was a possibility - it should never have been even considered and it remains to be seen whether it will be
Remind me how long it took to hold an honest enquiry into Bloody Sunday and how many of the killers where ever brought to trial!
It took seventeen years to free six men who were wrongly jailed for an atrocity they didn't commit - the authorities were aware of the identity of the real culprit for at leas five of those years
The most satisfying thing to came out of all this is when I put it up you jumped in support of the idea that killers should not be charged - nasty little sieg-heiler that you are
That'll do nicely
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 02 Jul 17 - 04:33 AM

AW Jom!!! Don't be so coy my little scouse tooth-sucker here's the whole post for you to read again:

Teribus - 29 Jun 17 - 03:05 PM

Show me where there was any condition stipulated by the DUP that there had to an amnesty for members of the security forces during the troubles in the deal made between the Conservatives and the DUP - That was YOUR original statement Carroll now back it up or shut up about it you lying twat.

Similarly additional monies are being granted for certain works in Northern Ireland under discretionary powers that date back to the GFA that take into account the lack of opportunity for development over a period of about thirty years when f**kin' idiots were trying to unite an island by bombing it together and slaughtering the civilian population wholesale [That is after all what your beloved "Men of the Gun" were trying to do wasn't it JOM]. The civilian authorities, the emergency services and the police and security forces where trying to prevent those deaths. Now I can back all of that up - so far your just produced your usual Carroll "Made-Up-Shit" - and I have clearly demonstrated that.

On reflection a better choice of words would have been:

....discretionary powers that date back to the GFA that take into account the lack of opportunity for development over a period of about thirty years BECAUSE f**kin' idiots were trying to unite an island by bombing it together and slaughtering the civilian population wholesale.

JOM - EQUALITY means that if paramilitary forces are forgiven their deeds in an amnesty then the same must and should apply to all sides. Or are some more equal than others - you shoddy hypocritical Marxist Prick.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 02 Jul 17 - 04:17 AM

Emperor Rap - I believe that the "discussion" between Jom and myself was centred around the protest march commonly referred to as "Bloody Sunday" (Expect a post from a mad Canadian any minute). But as you brought up your list let's take a look at the Indian ones.

As recorded in history there have to-date been 108 "massacres" on the Indian subcontinent:

23 of them occurred in pre-colonial times
15 of them occurred in colonial times
70 of them have occurred since India became independent

It would appear Rap that our presence acted as a restraining influence.

Ventersburg: - Nobody shot down protesting home rule - in fact nobody shot at all.

Boer Camps: - Nobody shot down protesting home rule - nobody shot at all, deaths in the camps resulted from disease, the same disease that swept through the military camps with roughly the same effect.

burning of Cork - Nobody shot down protesting home rule - in fact nobody shot down at all.

"New Villages": - Malaya Emergency during the "War of the Running Dogs" (The first successful defence against a communist backed insurrection) - Nobody shot down protesting home rule - in fact nobody shot down at all.

Chumik Shenko: - Tibet no civilians involved at all there Rap and the first shot fired was by a Tibetan Officer.

Berwick: - 1296 FFS!! Part of the Anglo-Scottish War of independence - Standard and acknowledged practice of the time throughout Europe and elsewhere - If a fortified city or castle resists a siege after having been first invited to surrender with no bloodshed and forces the attacker to fight his way into the city (Normally at great cost in men to the attacker) then no mercy is shown, a condition that is made clear at the time the offer of the opportunity to surrender is given.

Bolton: - 1644 this time Rap and part of the extremely bloody civil war - same thing as Berwick above.

Dunaverty: - 1647 Civil war again this time in Scotland - NOT an instance of deliberate Government policy what occurred here was a case of Scottish Highland treachery on the part of the Campbell Duke of Argyll. Argyll was later tried and executed for treason and Dunaverty was listed as one of his crimes.

Dunoon: - 1646 Civil War inter clan thrash between the Campbells and the Lamonts - business as usual in the Highlands.

Ballymurphy: - AKA Bloody Sunday

Iraq (1920): - Ever heard of the League of Nations Rap?

Deccan Plateau: - ??? India 1948 - India became independent in 1947 Rap.

Paoli: - 1777 and a fight between soldiers, only called a "massacre" because the Americans lost. In order to ensure that no accidental discharge of a musket would alert the enemy during this night attack the British Commander ordered his men to remove the flints from their muskets - so in this "massacre" Rap only the American soldiers could shoot anybody.

If you are going to chip in and run Rap, question and comment on what is being said in context of the "discussion" taking place.

Now as you have opened the door - if it is civilian deaths at the hands of Governments that you wish to discuss or comment upon. Yes it happens and the term used to describe it is "democide" the wilful and deliberate killing of civilians by their rulers. The top ten democides in the world going back to Genghis Khan are responsible for the deaths of some 189 million people Rap, now here's the "kicker", no British ruler, or Prime Minister; no US President, or administration features in this "Top Ten" list of "super democides". What we do have featured in that "Top Ten" (Including spots 1 & 2) are four Communist Leaders who between themselves were responsible for killing 121 million out of the 189 million total.

It is absolutely idiotic to transpose the political, social or moral thinking, standards and mores of the 21st Century and apply them to past history - those who do make it impossible to understand the events being studied. I am far from blind to history, that accusation should be levelled at those who consistently misrepresent events (As you have done in your post) and trot out myths as fact (Which Jom does all the time).

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jul 17 - 04:02 AM

From: Teribus - PM Date: 29 Jun 17 - 03:05 PM
"when f**kin' idiots were trying to unite an island by bombing it""
That was your quote Teribus - if you were not talking about those seeking full independence for Ireland, who the **** where you referring to?
The fact that you were arguing in favour of not charging the killers with any crimes makes you the right-wing scumbag that you are.
To endorse what Rapparee has just written, you are a shining example of the British Establishment brutish mentality that marked centuries of Empire - an anachronism
You really are extremely useful to hold up and point to our glorious past
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jul 17 - 11:18 PM

Teribus:

Allahbad, Bibigar, Kanpur, Shaji, Oudh, Amritsar, Malabar, West Bengal, Ventersburg, Boer Camps, Qissa Khwani Bazaar, burning of Cork, "New Villages," Chumik Shenko, and of course, Berwick, Bolton, Dunaverty, Dunoon, Ballymurphy, Iraq (1920), Deccan Plateau, Paoli....

Teribus, your defense of Britain is blind to history. Don't worry, I shan't return here.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Jul 17 - 03:51 PM

Excuse me Jom, it is not me that's the fecking eedjit:

YOR POST - YOUR WORDS

Jim Carroll - 30 Jun 17 - 12:09 PM

"Nor did I suggest that it was permissible to shoot down people protesting for home rule"

I asked once and got no reply so I will ask you again:

WHAT PEOPLE WERE SHOT DOWN PROTESTING FOR HOME RULE.

The North of Ireland has had HOME RULE since 1920.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 17 - 10:46 AM

A reminder of your original statement
"when f**kin' idiots were trying to unite an island by bombing it"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 17 - 09:20 AM

"was a protest march against internment - nothing whatsoever to do with home rule."
Since when has "human rights been about Home Rule"
Home rule concerned the political independence of Ireland from British rule - a seperate issue altogether fro internment without trial
Feckin' eejit.
Jay-sus
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Jul 17 - 08:26 AM

Nicely commented upon bobad. Jom's idea of reasoned, civil debate.

Jim Carroll - 01 Jul 17 - 06:40 AM

"The Bloody Sunday MASSACRE occurred in 1972 - those slaughtered by our boys in uniform were protesting about internment - nothing to do with Civil Rights which had long had the life kicked out of it"

Dearest Jom,

            I refer you to my post: Teribus - 30 Jun 17 - 05:27 PM

Who were the people shot down protesting for home rule Jom?

The march had been organised by the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association on 30 January 1972 in the Bogside area of Londonderry was a protest march against internment - nothing whatsoever to do with home rule.

In view of the content of my post, could you please tell me why you think "Internment", i.e., being imprisoned without trial IS NOT a "Human Rights" issue.

I am pleased to see that you now concede that the march had absolutely fuck all to do with "Home Rule" (As you originally claimed) which Northern Ireland has had by the way since 1920.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: bobad
Date: 01 Jul 17 - 08:02 AM

Now fuck off and find some manners
Jim Carroll

Thanks for my morning laugh.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 17 - 06:40 AM

The Bloody Sunday MASSACRE occurred in 1972 - those slaughtered by our boys in uniform were protesting about internment - nothing to do with Civil Rights which had long had the life kicked out of it
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 17 - 06:35 AM

As I said - "slave owning Travellers" - "stupid Irish".....
If the cap fits
The Civil rights movement was protesting for Civil Rights - they were brutilised by the Uionists and the RUC and the protests spread to becoming a fight to get Britain out of Ireland
Military murders and collusion with Unionist murderers continued throughout the length of the troubles and was known about and encouraged by the British establishment
Even Denning said it was acceptable to lock up innocent people as long as guilty ones didn't go free
Now fuck off and find some manners
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Jul 17 - 06:12 AM

No to me you are Jom, a racist, biased, bigoted, Anglophobe, who seems incapable of mounting any sort of argument based on correct, well informed fact. Instead what we are subjected to are inaccurate, ill-informed, myths, lies and half-truths that are repeatedly shown for being precisely what they are.

Most recent example:

The Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association was protesting for home rule - like fuck they were.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 17 - 03:21 AM

The name's Jim
You want an adult response behave like an adult
I'm far to busy to be arsed with ill brought up children who don't know how to conduct themselves
You really aren't bright enough to realise what a feckin' idiot your STRUTTING and BLUSTERING makes you look, are you?
Grow up, for Christ's sake and stop polluting these threads with your infantile behaviour
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Jun 17 - 05:27 PM

Who were the people shot down protesting for home rule Jom?

The march had been organised by the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association on 30 January 1972 in the Bogside area of Londonderry was a protest march against internment - nothing whatsoever to do with home rule.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jun 17 - 12:09 PM

Yeah sure - I described the Irish as stupid and the Travellers as slave-owners - like youd -(or all muslims as implanted perverts)
Racist is what racist does
Nor did I suggest that it was permissible to shoot down people protesting for home rule
Fascist is what fascist does
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Jun 17 - 10:51 AM

"The British Government were prepared to absolve possible criminals to get the support of the DUP" - Jom

Now where, in your sole reference article, does it say that Jom? Rhetorical question as always because you never answer direct questions with direct and truthful answers - The honest and truthful answer is that it does not say anything even remotely like that - If you think it does please quote the spokesperson for the British Government who came out with any such statement.

"I have no doubt whatever that if one of the the conditions was that May would have to masturbate all the male members of the D.U.P. she would ask "which hand do you prefer?" - Jom in reasoned and civil debate

Of course YOU have no doubt Jom, primarily because you are a racist, bigoted, biased, Anglophobe and a complete and utter f**kin idiot to boot. Only thing is my little whining, scouse tooth-sucker, the fact remains that just because you think that something is possible does not make it the truth, it does not make it a fact (Except in your own rancid mind). In you own case you are at a marked disadvantage in debate, or discussion, actually look at a situation and comment on it you have to look at it and study it and apply, reasoning, logic, perspective and objectivity - you possess none of those, so we end up with unintelligible, ill-informed rants.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jun 17 - 06:43 AM

I won't bother my arse in asking for an apology or a withdrawal of your accusations of made up shit"
You background obviously precludes such niceties
You have accused me of such for a long time and all you have ever come up with are contradictions of your own arrogant declarations - the true sign of megalomania
I don't tell lies - I don't have to with you idiots
I don't make things up - unlike you, I link to everything I claim and relink to it when requested
If you weren't such an arrogant twat you would have noticed that fact
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jun 17 - 06:34 AM

May is already skating on thin ice as regards the Northern Ireland situation
Due to the legacy of the Troubles, Northern Ireland has more immediate need than anywhere else in the UK for a robust, legal human rights framework. Murder inquiries into alleged human rights breaches by paramilitary groups and the British government during the Troubles are continuing to this day, decades after the crimes were committed, as the region pieces together the past and learns from it to secure a stable future.


READ MORE
This is why Theresa May would be wise to call an early election
Just this month, prosecutors revealed they were considering whether to charge Bloody Sunday soldiers who shot dead innocent civilians in Derry in 1972. A group known as the Hooded Men are also seeking legal action after they allege they were tortured by the British Army in 1971.

Human rights abuses continue in Northern Ireland in the present day. Notably, the abortion ban makes it a criminal offence to have a termination and women can receive life in prison for murder if they do. A 21-year-old woman was tried and convicted there as recently as April this year. The ban has been ruled by Belfast High Court to be a breach of international human rights law. Yet local politicians, emboldened by British silence on human rights, have kept the ban. As the desperate and degrading situation continues, a challenge from international human rights bodies is Northern Irish women's only hope of changing the law.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-human-rights-reform-northern-ireland-troubles-risking-peace-a7500881.html
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jun 17 - 06:21 AM

Sorry don't see how any of that contradicts what I have said
The British Government were prepared to absolve possible criminals to get the support of the DUP
I have no doubt whatever that if one of the the conditions was that May would have to masturbate all the male members of the D.U.P. she would ask "which hand do you prefer?"
None of this in any way changes the fact that you leapt at the chance of supporting absolving military criminals of their crimes and even went as far as to suggest that the demonstrators got what they deserved for demaring to demand that their country should be united
Nice to know we have someone here capable of correcting the Irish Foreign Minister's mistaken beliefs
Your arrogance knows no bounds, does it?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Jun 17 - 06:07 AM

Ah finally a reference: Aaron Rogan, Senior Ireland Reporter - June 27 2017, 12:01am - The Times.

Where the Senior Ireland Reporter filed this copy:

"In the document published yesterday which outlined the £1 billion (€1.1 billion) deal between the two parties, a provision called "legacy" indicated that a new law would be passed blocking criminal cases against soldiers and police for unlawful killings during the Troubles. The Irish government has said that any such law would breach the Stormont House agreement.

The section stated that the UK government will seek to work with the Northern Ireland executive to implement the legacy bodies in the agreement but it will do so in ways "which do not unfairly focus on former members of the armed forces or police. Both parties reiterate their admiration for the courage and sacrifice of the police and armed forces in upholding democracy and the rule of the law and will never forget the debt of gratitude that we owe them."

There was also a mention of a "fair, balanced and proportionate" response to legacy issues, which is a reference to wording in the Stormont House agreement. DUP and Tory backbenchers claim that the reference allows for Westminster to pass a law granting amnesty to any party accused of a crime during the Troubles.

Irish ministers have written to James Brokenshire, the Northern Ireland secretary, and said that there is no provision in the agreement which allows for such a law.

Charlie Flanagan, the foreign affairs minister [For the Republic of Ireland] until last week, has previously dismissed the suggestion that legacy agreements could be used to protect anyone from being prosecuted. "I believe there should be no amnesties, no exemptions," he said in May. "We move forward along the lines of the Stormont House agreement, which sets out a clear framework for dealing with the very sensitive issue of the past."

In my post - Teribus - 29 Jun 17 - 10:55 AM - I posted the wording of the Conservative DUP Agreement in FULL - the word "legacy" does not appear anywhere in it. Aaron Rogan, Senior Ireland Reporter of "The Times" appears to be reporting conjecture NOT FACT.

The other obvious error in his piece, or in the former Irish Foreign Minister's beliefs is the rather lopsided and uncomfortable fact that concerning events in Northern Ireland amnesties and exemptions have already been agreed to - for at least one side in the conflict.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 17 - 03:14 PM

"The civilian authorities, the emergency services and the police and security forces where trying to prevent those deaths"
Did you really just write that it was ok to slaughter peaceful demonstrators because they wanted a united Ireland?
Get's better and better
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 17 - 03:12 PM

"Show me where there was any condition stipulated by the DUP that there had to an amnesty for members of the security forces during the troubles in "
I reported it froom The Times when it appeared last week
You accepted it and said to was ok by you
You're strapped, whichever waay you turn
"Similarly additional monies are being granted
I'm well aware of that as is every writer that reported on the negotiations
The £billion bung was extra to that and agreed after May had told the electorate that there was no "money tree" to pay for hospitals and schools
She found it to pay for electoral support after she had refused to fin=d ir for the nation's health
Corruption in high places
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jun 17 - 03:05 PM

Show me where there was any condition stipulated by the DUP that there had to an amnesty for members of the security forces during the troubles in the deal made between the Conservatives and the DUP - That was YOUR original statement Carroll now back it up or shut up about it you lying twat.

Similarly additional monies are being granted for certain works in Northern Ireland under discretionary powers that date back to the GFA that take into account the lack of opportunity for development over a period of about thirty years when f**kin' idiots were trying to unite an island by bombing it together and slaughtering the civilian population wholesale. The civilian authorities, the emergency services and the police and security forces where trying to prevent those deaths. Now I can back all of that up - so far your just produced your usual Carroll "Made-Up-Shit" - and I have clearly demonstrated that.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 17 - 12:30 PM

"1: NO AMNESTY for former members of the British Armed Forces
2: NO BRIBE paid to the DUP."
Don't know wheer you got that - that is exactly what was said and that is what you supported
Money was demanded for northern Ireland (whether it was a priority or not) - that was what was agreed - a bribe
You have no problem supporting an amnesty - now you are backpedaling like ad hoist on your own petard
You said the armed forces should be treated in the same way as the terrorists - that is not, nor ever was an option
Terroists don't act on our behalf - the armed forces do
You really aren't the brightest button on the steward's uniform, are you/
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jun 17 - 11:44 AM

Ah Jom so:

1: NO AMNESTY for former members of the British Armed Forces

2: NO BRIBE paid to the DUP.

Thanks for clarifying that.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 17 - 11:34 AM

"Have I Jom? That is pretty much a very broad and all encompassing statement without one shred of back-up."
Want me to put it up again - it's on this thread
Oh - there it is in your own postings
"I for one, and am sure many others, would welcome it -"
Don't care who it applies to - if they are guilty of acts of terrorism they should be tried for them and , if found guilty, punished
It is totally immaterial how the terrorists are treated - they are not licences to carry guns and act in our name
You have supported allowing soldiers who commit atrocities to go untried and unpunished - enough for me.
The rest is bullshit waffle
The DUP have blackmailed a bung from Britain that comes from taxpayers money
It will be taken from the coffers whether that is needed as a proiority or not
May said there was no money tree to provide sufficient funding for hospitals, schools.... whoever needs them yet hey-presto - one sprouts up overnight to pay the bribe
If an emergency had suddenly spring up to make Northern Ireland a priority thetre might have been a justification
AS IT WAS - IT WAS PAID TO GIVE A POLITICAL PARTY A MAJORITY IN PARLIAMENT - NOTHING MORE - FUCK THE NATION'S HEALTH OR EDUCATION
What did you say about Corbyn bribing the electorate?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jun 17 - 11:04 AM

Oh Jom just one more thing to add to your humiliation - If you want to check the £1 billion "bung" you keep referring to goes to Northern Ireland - IT DOES NOT go to the DUP - they do not get paid a penny.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jun 17 - 10:55 AM

"you've already admitted that you fully support not punishing the military for their crimes"

Have I Jom? That is pretty much a very broad and all encompassing statement without one shred of back-up.

Where in the Conservative/DUP agreement does it state:

"One of the conditions imposed on Britain by the DUP is that the Security Forces do not have to face trials for crimes they are accused of committing" - Jim Carroll - 27 Jun 17 - 05:44 AM

What I have said is as follows:

"If what you say is true about the conditions of the deal (I have not seen or heard that reported) I for one, and am sure many others, would welcome it - Never could quite work out why it was only the "nationalist" paramilitaries "sins" that could be, or had to be forgiven and forgotten in order for there to be a "Peace Process" - so now it is slate wiped clean - equal treatment under the law for all." - Teribus - 27 Jun 17 - 10:05 AM

Note the qualifications listed there Carroll - coupled with the fact that it only applies to former members of the Security Forces deployed in Northern Ireland during "the troubles". You yourself changed your tune from the blanket statement you made quoted above to:

"THE LONG AND SHORT OF THIS IS MAY HAS BUNGED A TERRORIST IMPLICATED PARTY A £BILLION OF TAXPAYERS MONEY AND DONE A DEAL THAT ENSURES THAT MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY WHO WERE QUITE LIKELY INVOLVED IN MASS MURDER, TORTURE AND COLLUSION WITH TERRORISTS WILL NEVER HAVE TO STAND TRIALS FOR THEIR CRIMES" - Jim Carroll - 28 Jun 17 - 07:32 PM - Here Carroll is most certainly talking about the Troubles.

Either way he has not provided one link to the source of this condition.

This "condition" of Jom's is just more Jim Carroll "Made-Up-Shit"

IF ANYONE DOUBTS THIS -

Here is the text of the Conservative-DUP deal in full:
 
In accordance with our shared objectives for strengthening and enhancing the Union, security, prosperity and an exit from the European Union that benefits all parts of the United Kingdom, this letter sets out how the confidence and supply agreement reached between the Conservative Party and Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) will operate to deliver a stable government in the United Kingdom's national interest for the duration of this Parliament.

Confidence and supply agreement in the UK Parliament:

The DUP agrees to support the Government on all motions of confidence; and on the Queen's speech; the Budget; finance bills; money bills, supply and appropriation legislation and Estimates.
In line with the parties' shared priorities for negotiating a successful exit from the European Union and protecting the country in the light of recent terrorist attacks, the DUP also agrees to support the Government on legislation pertaining to the United Kingdom's exit from the European Union; and legislation pertaining to national security.

Support on other matters will be agreed on a case by case basis.

The DUP agrees to support the Government in votes in the UK Parliament, in line with this agreement.

Working arrangements:

In furtherance of these arrangements, the Government and the DUP will work together to ensure the necessary support can be established by both parties to fulfil these arrangements. A co-ordination committee will be convened for this purpose, chaired by the Government. The parties will agree the modus operandi of this committee. The Northern Ireland Secretary will not sit on this committee.

Policy agreement:

Both parties have agreed that there will be no change to the Pensions Triple Lock and the universal nature of the Winter Fuel Payment.

The parties agree to meet the Nato commitment of spending 2% of GDP on the armed forces. Both parties are committed to the Armed Forces Covenant and to its implementation throughout the United Kingdom.

Both parties agreed to work together to consider options to support the highly successful reserve forces in Northern Ireland.

The parties recognise the importance of the agriculture sector to Northern Ireland and the opportunities for growth that exist. Agriculture will be a critical policy areas during the EU exit negotiations.

The parties agree to continue to commit the same cash total in funds for farm support until the end of the Parliament. Further discussions will take place on the future framework for farming support.

Devolved government in Northern Ireland:

As set out in its General Election manifesto, the Conservative Party will never be neutral in expressing its support for the Union. As the UK Government we believe that Northern Ireland's future is best served within a stronger United Kingdom. We will always uphold the consent principle and the democratic wishes of the people of Northern Ireland. The Conservative Party will never countenance any constitutional arrangements that are incompatible with the consent principle.

Both parties will adhere fully to their respective commitments set out in the Belfast Agreement and its successors. The Conservative Party reiterates its steadfast support for the Belfast Agreement and its successors and, as the UK Government, will continue to govern in the interests of all parts of the community in Northern Ireland. The UK Government will continue to support close co-operations with the Irish Government and work with them in accordance with the Belfast Agreement and subsequent agreements, while recognising that ultimate responsibility for political stability in Northern Ireland rests with the UK Government.

The DUP recognises the need for early restoration of inclusive and stable devolved government in Northern Ireland and affirms its commitment to agreeing the formation of an Executive. The UK Government will continue to work with the Northern Ireland parties and the Irish Government towards this objective, in full accordance with the three-stranded approach.

Both parties agree on the need to recognise the unique circumstances of Northern Ireland's history and what effect this has had on the economy and people from all parts of the community. Both parties agree the need for additional support for Northern Ireland as set out in the annex to this agreement.

It is the joint desire of both parties that the elements and provisions of this agreement will play a positive role in the efforts to re-establish devolved government for the benefit of all the people of Northern Ireland.

The DUP will have no involvement in the UK Government's role in political talks in Northern Ireland. It will continue to participate as a party entitled to form part of an Executive following the last Assembly election, as the other parties do.

Duration of agreement:

The agreement reached will remain in place for the length of the Parliament, and can be reviewed by the mutual consent of both parties. After each parliamentary session, both parties will review the aims, principles and implementation of this agreement.

Signed:

The Rt Hon Gavin Williamson CBE MP, Conservative and Unionist Party

The Rt Hon Sir Jeffrey Donaldson MP, Democratic Unionist Party.

No mention at all about any amnesty for former members of the British Forces who served in Northern Ireland - like wot Jom claims - which does very emphatically make it "More Carroll Made-Up-Shit
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Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 17 - 09:46 AM

Ignore first line - multi tasking with work I'm trying to do
What the **** are you arguing about anyway - you've already admitted that you fully support not punishing the military for their crimes
That's what makes you the fascist you are
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 17 - 09:36 AM

"Lord Beicham"
If the miltary are not to be tried for the crimes they are alleged ttto have committed they are not answerable to national or international laws
If you say that British are not answerable for thir actions then Britain is a militaristic fascist state.
The shooting down of unarmed demonstrators is a crime - national and international - in any civilised country it needs to be triabele and punishable
May had leapfrogged over that and absolved the perpetrators from both trial and punishment
Your fascist mindest defends that - no doubt you will continue to do so.
If we decide to include the annotations in the booklet, "Young Beichan or Lord Bateman needs to stay as it is because they aer the spellings Child used
Thanks again
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jun 17 - 06:37 AM

One thing I have noticed Carroll - you have singularly failed to put up any evidence at all that any such agreement to place "the military unanswerable to national and international law" - YOUR WORDS JOM.

Fact is that no such deal exists, mind you, you did change it from it being an amnesty for former members of the armed forces and security services for past deeds during "The Troubles" - which is totally different from what you stated above - I SAY AGAIN - Members of the armed forces of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland are still answerable under law for their actions

NOW IF YOU DISPUTE THAT CARROLL - GIVE US THE REFERENCE.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 17 - 05:00 AM

"our armed forces still are subject to rule of law"
You have just proposed putting thm above that law you stupid little man
The law says they are answerable to their actions - May has just sold that out to a terrorist linked Party
You hysterical bullying bluster makes it clear that you realise you have just placed your foot squarely in your mouth by supporting that
Cat out of the bag, big time here
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jun 17 - 04:21 AM

As far as I am aware my tooth-sucking, whining scouser, our armed forces still are subject to rule of law. To-date I have not read anything that supports your claims with regard to immunity from prosecution for former members of our armed forces - apart from in your rantings that is.

On that subject what I have said quite clearly is that if such an amnesty has been announced then I welcome it as it will mean that all sides are being treated equally in the eyes of the law in relation to the events in Northern Ireland and elsewhere between 1969 and 1997. Or are you really too bloody thick to understand that?

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 17 - 04:04 AM

"Jom reaches out for another "..."
Not anther - I've always thought you a fascist - your bullying and strutting makeds you a stereotype
You've just confirmed that in your own words by supporting the practice of a party using taxpayers money in order to stay in power and by placing the military unanswerable to national and international law
A stereotype, if ever there was one
Throw in your racism and your contempt for the less well of and you are really the Full Monty
You are everything Charlie Chaplin dreamed up in 'The Great Dictator' - a sad, impotent little man trying to straddle the world
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jun 17 - 03:48 AM

How predictable - Jom reaches out for another ".....ist" to throw at someone who dares to disagree with him.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 17 - 03:25 AM

A deal with a terrorist linked Party paid for with taxpayers money to hold off a general election - yup- that sounds your sort o democracy
Throw in an army that is not constrained by human rights considerations or national and international laws, as you have sugessted, and what have you got?
A Reich that will last a thousand years
I'm sure that you are quite happy with that
You are now a classic, self declared fascist - never doubted it for a minute
Why didn't you say that in the first place so we all knew where we stood
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jun 17 - 03:06 AM

Quite happy with the deal that has been struck Jom - It holds off any prospect of another General Election and removes any chance of Corbyn & Co getting into power as I firmly believe they would be disastrous for our country and would cost us a damned sight more than £1 billion.

See the Queen's Speech vote got through Jom.

In the article about that vote there was mention of a Tory "Dementia Tax" that had been scrapped. On this I have a question. As I understand it, and please correct me if I am wrong, at the moment:

If I should suffer from dementia and require residential care my family and I have pay directly for my care through disposal of savings and assets until I am left with £23,500 at which point the State then starts to contribute. Of course if on the other hand I have been a complete and utter wastrel all my life the state jumps in and pays everything from day one.

What the Conservatives proposed was that as with the complete and utter wastrel above the State pays from day one but costs are noted and that account must be settled from the proceeds of my estate when I die. This means that family members can still live in my home while I am alive. Under this scheme the value of savings I am allowed to keep is raised from the current £23,500 to £100,000.

Now just how the F**K is that a TAX.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 17 - 07:32 PM

"Jom, refer us to the posts where you condemned Blair for doing his deal with terrorists"
Ignoring your childishly insecure "Jom" for a second (it's getting a little like explaining how to cross the road to a five year old) - you guide me to one kind word I have ever said about Blair, who I have always regarded as a political thug who betrayed the Labour Party as a career move.
Immaterial anyway
Your attempts to absolve Blunderwoman from spending a Billion of the taxpayers money and colluding with a party who has known terrorist connections is not unlike a rat running around with it's tail nailed to the floor - highly enjoyable, I'm ashamed to say.
May answers for her own actions whatever her predecessors may have done.
Western "democratic" politics have always colluded with terrorist and extremist states when it suits them - from their appeasement of "Herr Hitler's" Nazis, right through Salazar, Batista Marshall Kee, The Greek Colonels, Pappa Doc, the Contras..... you name them, they were our leaders' friends.
Thatcher articulated it beautifully when she worked her knickers off to stpo mass-murderer Pinochet being tried for his crimes - she described him as a hero of democracy and those wishing to bring him to trial as "running a police state"
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/tories-have-forgotten-that-thatcher-wasnt-just-a-terrorist-sympathiser-but-close-friends-with-one-10507850.html
Britain props up some of the worst dictators on the planet by selling them arms and equipment and has been known to sell both sides weapons in uprisings such as The Arab Spring
THE LONG AND SHORT OF THIS IS MAY HAS BUNGED A TERRORIST IMPLICATED PARTY A £BILLION OF TAXPAYERS MONEY AND DONE A DEAL THAT ENSURES THAT MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY WHO WERE QUITE LIKELY INVOLVED IN MASS MURDER, TORTURE AND COLLUSION WITH TERRORISTS WILL NEVER HAVE TO STAND TRIALS FOR THEIR CRIMES
Game, set and match, I think
Now - a few more, "Joms", a bit more goosestepping and I think we're done here - don't you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Jun 17 - 05:51 PM

Jom, refer us to the posts where you condemned Blair for doing his deal with terrorists in which murderers and torturers were protected from facing due legal process and many more released from jail. My bet is that there aren't any.

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Jun 17 - 05:19 PM

You know the other horrible thing about Communist countries?

Couldn't make a decent roll of toilet paper. I once received a letter written on Soviet toilet paper. The exact same consistency and shade as the cheap paper we called 'math paper' in the States (for working sums on). No absorbency and no 'grip'. Blighters deserved to go down for that alone!

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 17 - 03:05 PM

"It does however create a precedent Jom, and that is what I stated."
No it does not
Thesae were both deals done by conservative Governments - only one called itself "new Labour"
You are one of those who attempted to catigate Corbyn for his supposed support of the IRA - yet here you are defending May doing a deal with this load of shit
Hypocritical Blackshirt prick
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Mass murder of defenceless civilians
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Jun 17 - 01:10 PM

"One deal with terrorists doesn't make another any less wrong
There is no acceptable precedent for dealing with terrorists or protecting murderers and torturers from trail
I consider Blair a war criminal - as I do May"

It does however create a precedent Jom, and that is what I stated.

By the bye Jom, can you refer us to the posts where you condemned Blair for doing his deal with terrorists in which murderers and torturers were protected from facing due legal process and many more released from jail. My bet is that there aren't any. You only burst into print when it involves Britain and a Conservative Government - as I stated previously in my description of you and your posting history below the line - Racist, biased, bigoted and Anglophobic. That precedent created by Blair also involved acceptance and active support from the Government of the Republic of Ireland IIRC.