BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017

Subject: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 201
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 May 17 - 08:01 PM

Well, ya gotta give Trump credit for always having new tricks up his sleeve. The FBI has been quietly investigating the Trump campaign for its ties to Putin and Russia. It also not-so-quietly investigated Hillary Clinton for her use of email as Secretary of State. So, 6 months after the election, Trump uses Comey's handling of the Clinton matter during another President's administration, as grounds for firing an FBI director who is currently investing Trump.

Could it be that Comey was getting close to proving the involvement of Trump himself in the Russian conspiracy?

An interesting matter, indeed.

Is it time to impeach him yet?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 09 May 17 - 08:21 PM

Echoes of Watergate.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 May 17 - 08:22 PM

Yup. Nixon fired a lot of people who were investigating him and his people.
Look what happened to Nixon.
Hope springs eternal....

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 May 17 - 08:54 PM

Is it time to impeach him yet?

It was time to impeach him the day of his inaguration. Nixon was a saint compared to this piece of shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 09 May 17 - 09:05 PM

It looks like Jared Kushner has another job opening up. :^/

This is all very Nixonian to me. The Romanov family was before my time. They solved the problem the old fashioned way.

Donald has turned James Comey into an anti anti hero. They say Luca Bratzi hand delivered the firing message. It read - YOU'R FIRED -
On TV Trump always got good ratings when he fired someone.
Not this time.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 09 May 17 - 09:15 PM

"It looks like Jared Kushner has another job opening up. :^/"
I was thinking the same thing, Don. lol

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 May 17 - 10:25 PM

I forgot that Trump's claim to fame was firing people on a TV reality show. Good call, Donuel.

Did Luca Brasi have anything to do with the horse's head that somebody in Godfather found in bed?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 09 May 17 - 11:16 PM

But seriously, Trump is to have an important meeting tomorrow.
He is meeting with the Russian Foreign Minister.

Trump said he fired Comey for not being nice to Hillary over her emails.

The recused Jeff Sessions is the one who was said to ask Trump to fire Comey.

Tommorrow Senator Schumer will ask for a special prosecutor at 9 AM - or the democrats will essentially go on strike.

You can't make this stuff up.


There is a chance that Trump may be successful in stonewalling this "fake Russian Collusion thing". Putting troops in the field usually helps change the subject.

It will take a deepthroat or a sacrificial lamb to deliver a coup de grace in the form of the truth about the Russian Trump oil deal.
If no one steps forward, this mess will continue until it feels boring or becomes a race to impeachment.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 May 17 - 11:35 PM

So far Trump has fired three people who were investigating him. At some point the GOP will catch on.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: meself
Date: 10 May 17 - 12:46 AM

Oh, I think they caught on a long time ago - the question is, at some point will they care?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Neil D
Date: 10 May 17 - 02:16 AM

Here's to the election of Donny Dumpster
Who conspired with our enemy to manipulate the vote
A heinous act of treason by an American turncoat
Two million fewer votes but won and now he tries to gloat
This man with all the scruples of a randy billy goat

Here's to the land you tore out the heart of
Donald Trump find yourself another country to be part of

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 May 17 - 03:12 AM

Perhaps trump think's he is King Louis XIV of France!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 10 May 17 - 04:08 AM

I can assure all my American friends that the view from the other side of the pond is equally troubling & perplexing. I'm with Joe on this one: "Hope springs eternal".
                                                                                                                     Nigel.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 May 17 - 08:29 AM

perplexing....from over here it looked as though Trump owed this guy a tremendous debt of gratitude.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 10 May 17 - 08:56 AM

"What, I wonder, will seem normal to the children of America by the end of the next four years?"

https://thenib.com/strength-through-unity?t=recent

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 May 17 - 10:08 AM

perplexing....from over here it looked as though Trump owed this guy a tremendous debt of gratitude.

You need to keep in mind, Al, that Trump is a psychopath & that seriously mentally ill people don't behave rationally.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Neil D
Date: 10 May 17 - 12:20 PM

The congressional investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian hackers is nothing more than window dressing, employing only 9 staffers (this compared to 40 dedicated to the Benghazi investigation). Attorney General Jeff Sessions, a Trump appointed hatchet man, obviously has no interest or intention to investigate. The only viable investigation into Trump campaign's possible collusion with Russia WAS the one being headed by FBI Director Comey, now fired by the very object of his investigation.
If the Republicans in Congress don't immediately call for a special investigator and a FULL investigation, one can only assume that they are even willing to accept a treasonous president, as long as he is from their own party. The very foundation of our democracy is in the balance here. If the President gets away with this now, what will he try next.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: meself
Date: 10 May 17 - 12:25 PM

I haven't turned on MSNBC yet today - but up to today, unfortunately, the Repubs have shown very little interest in whether or not their president is treasonous .....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 May 17 - 02:10 PM

maybe the republicans need to give him enough rope..
who do they actually really want from amongst their ranks to be president..???

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 10 May 17 - 02:55 PM

Here's a prediction:

Comey was very popular within the FBI in spite of his shortcomings so there are a lot of unhappy folks in the organization. Sometime soon a plain brown envelope will appear in the inbox of the Washington Post or the New York Times and the whole Russian thing will explode.

Can't wait!

Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 May 17 - 06:25 PM

maybe the republicans need to give him enough rope..

maybe they have. Just more than we think. He has to think he is winning and he will get bolder. There is a time when that brown envelope will have most impact. Maybe not yet!

BBC programme "Word of Mouth" - American academic George Lakoff talks about language and (& of) politics. He explains why Twitler's speeches are successful while being unfinished spaghetti.

He leave the listener to finish the sentence. They then own the opinion.

Works verbally on his audience. Confuses the hell out of the journalists.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: robomatic
Date: 10 May 17 - 09:56 PM

I do not believe Comey 'had it coming' in that he served his country poorly or with negative motives. On the other hand, Comey was on dicey political ground months ago. He went into detail on his Hilary investigation last Summer. He was the source of Election 2016's October Surprise. He made the comment before Congress that it made him slightly nauseous to think he might have had an effect on the 2016 Presidential election. He was allowed to stay in office until he could be questioned in front of Congress. He is not going anywhere other than out of office. The investigation into Russian manipulation of U.S. electoral politics goes on.
The President can reference a document by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to justify his action.
Trump has already proved himself a master at diverting attention from important issues.
We need to pay attention to Paul Ryan and what he and his crew are trying to do to health care. We need to pay attention to Trump's flouting of established policy on separating private business interests from the public interests he has sworn to represent. We need to pay attention to getting his tax returns released.
Eyes on the ball, people. Yes, that would be the 'money' ball. It always is.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: robomatic
Date: 10 May 17 - 10:06 PM

Couldn't resist recommending this article from NYT new and controversial columnist Bret Stephens:

The Easy Tells of Comey's Canning

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: olddude
Date: 10 May 17 - 11:16 PM

I too have this Watergate smell hanging in the air right now.. One thing I am sure of, it will catch fire and he will be out sooner or later. I suspect eight months, he will resign.. My hope anyway.. And maybe it is a wake up call to the dumb Fuckers who put him in office the first place. The entire government is in chaos right now because of him

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 11 May 17 - 08:54 AM

I hope the old clown can hang on long enough to screw up the mid-terms for the GOP, of course we may not have a country left by then. I don't blame Spicer for hiding in the bushes at this point.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 May 17 - 09:25 AM

And maybe it is a wake up call to the dumb Fuckers who put him in office the first place.
Not a snowball's chance, Dan. Stupid is as stupid does.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Jeri
Date: 11 May 17 - 09:31 AM

The dumb fuckers will get it when he starts hitting them where they live. Medical care, their kids dying for stupid non-causes, and other reasons for having a government disappeared.
Comey...it's not that Democrats didn't want him fired, it's the timing. And the ham-handed, "they're too stupid to notice" way it was done. Independent investigator.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 May 17 - 10:24 AM

The dumb fuckers will get it when he starts hitting them where they live.

Wish I could believe that, Jeri- but I fear not even then.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 17 - 01:35 PM

Breaking wind News:

Guildenkrantz and Rosenstein are dead.
Chaffetz and two other Congressmen are ending their career in the house over Trump involvement. 3 people were fired, 2 recused themselves after water boarding, and countless Trump campaign associates have taken a powder.
Rats are leaving the sinking ship. Stupid rats remain.
In Russia the death toll over the the Trump treason plan is 7 and counting. Its good to be an American. :*)
All the above is near supposition and humor.

In the land of liars it is complicated to tell the truth.
Proving the lie is easier. Trump admitted he asked the FBI director on the status of the Trump Russia investigation. Improper but not a crime. Obstructing justice is a crime.


Where are we headed?


Albert Einstein said that America is like a gyroscope that rights itself almost magically compared to Russia, Germany and other countries that venture down the road of sick dictators.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 11 May 17 - 02:49 PM

In the meantime...

MAKE TREASON GREAT AGAIN

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: olddude
Date: 11 May 17 - 04:14 PM

Shit is already hitting the fan with these hearings.. It a beautiful thing

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 11 May 17 - 06:12 PM

The Telegraph (I don't buy, but GF does)
reported that the word on the street is that Comey had asked for funding to investigate Trump/Russia issue.

sometimes you know when a rumour has legs!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Bill D
Date: 11 May 17 - 06:53 PM

Comey is an awkward case. He seems to be an honest guy who was just out of his depth... and thus able to upset all sides. Latest evidence is that he was trying to do the Trump/Russia investigation, but as soon as he got on the right track, Trump used those earlier mistakes to get rid of him.... making it hard for pundits to do their usual simplistic analysis. It is just too much trouble for most of them to clarify that 'maybe he should have been fired, but NOT that way and not at that time with those lame excuses.'

   Trump is also an awkward case... he does so many dumb, hateful, embarrassing, contradictory and traitorous crap that it's hard to keep track of the current line of BS.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 May 17 - 08:54 PM

Here you go, Bill D:

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 May 17 - 04:49 AM

Days Before Firing, Comey Asked for More Resources for Russia Inquiry NY Times article

when one UK King was abdicating his mother (the then Queen Mother) said:
A fine kettle of fish.

It smells.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 12 May 17 - 06:19 AM

Mr. Red you warned us that Republicans would support Trump until he became untenable and then give Pence a turn.
Lying through your teeth is not an impeachable offense.
Likewise no single event meets the standard for removal by the 25th amendment.
Evidence of profound ignorance is not enough.

Nope, it will take a different Constitutional crises to give Donald a red card.

The cumulative damage to America world wide will continue to grow until then. The question arises, how much damage may America endure and how long will that damage endure in the post Trump era.

Democrats will certainly inherit the ruins, but at what cost?

Yesterday Trump signed his executive order in private to spend an unprecedented fortune to investigate the identity of the 3 million fraudulent voters who cost him the popular vote.

Delusion, lies and stupidity are human traits. Unfortunately it will take a sudden senseless loss of life to cancel Trump imho.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 12 May 17 - 08:30 AM

This situation is becoming increasingly unfunny. We have a maximum leader who is mentally and emotionally unstable and has the mindset of a 3rd world dictator but I had to laugh when Twit, of all people, characterized Comey as a showboat and a grandstander.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 12 May 17 - 09:11 AM

T***p tweets at 8:26 A.M.:

"✔@realDonaldTrump

James Comey better hope that there are no "tapes" of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!"

Mind-boggling, it will be interesting to find out what was said at that dinner and perhaps Comey will be forthcoming before the Senate Intel committee. Twit may have created an extremely hostile witness.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 12 May 17 - 09:17 AM

...and what the hell is this POTUS doing tweeting back at cable news shows during the work day. Doesn't he have a job to do before he takes off for another golf weekend at Mar a Lago this afternoon.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 12 May 17 - 10:49 AM

...Maybe the best thing to do would be to cancel all "press briefings" and hand out written responses for the sake of accuracy???

Donald Trump @realDonaldTrump
verbatim tweet from today.



This heralds the start of the hunkering down as we enter the age of Subpoenas.

gillymor, have you noticed a split personality in Trump when he accidentally tells the truth in a side remark? Even his lies are becoming more defensive with more qualifications.
Are these signs of an emerging conscience or dementia?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 May 17 - 11:13 AM

The latter.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 May 17 - 11:21 AM

as a soon enough to be old person.. not too far off 60..
I'd suggest I'm not being agist when I say i sincerely believe
there should be a reasonable age limit on anyone seeking party leadership
and an even stricter limit on presidential / prime minister candidates...

shall we kick off negotiations with.. say.. 60...???

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Bill D
Date: 12 May 17 - 11:30 AM

Oh my.. thanks Acme....for

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 12 May 17 - 12:29 PM

The profane sounding link is as good as the website for federal lawyers

punk, how about a Battery of exams instead of an age limit.

recent twitler tweet: Comey better hope that there are no tapes that recorded our meeting!

The meeting allegedly consisted of Trump asking Comey to take a loyalty oath to Donald J Trump. Comey demurred and instead pledged his honesty.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 May 17 - 05:29 PM

Now Twitler's talking about Benghazi lunatic Trey Gowdy as a replacement for Comey. You couldn't make this shit up- tho I suppose its in character for the Birther In Chief.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 12 May 17 - 06:06 PM

There is a sci fi story that began in the Eisenhower year in which an alien encounter resulted in an attack over time that the US was tonally unaware. Not only did humans become dumbed down over generations but the seeds of digitalization of our civilization were planted to mature into the fruit of our own destruction.
in the penultimate chapter the time aliens encounter the leader of country that was most helpful in their first encounter. Long story short; They of course met with Donald Trump for a big deal.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: meself
Date: 12 May 17 - 07:28 PM

Didn't take Sarah H-S. long to destroy her own credibility - between the time of Comey's firing & the press briefing - the next day, wasn't it? - she had heard from "countless" FBI agents who were glad Comey was fired .... Meanwhile, Sean Spicer becomes more Baghdad Bob by the day ....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: robomatic
Date: 13 May 17 - 01:20 AM

How Trump May Save the Republic

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 May 17 - 03:38 AM

Hey! Trump won an award

but hasn't turned up to collect

I guess he is too busy now.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 13 May 17 - 10:37 AM

The old Pussygrabber is giving the commencement address at Liberty University, the citadel of the Moral Majority, today. Have we slipped into an alternate universe?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 May 17 - 10:51 AM

Rather reminds one of Voltaire: The "Moral Majority" is neither.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Neil D
Date: 13 May 17 - 11:44 AM

One common theme in the media coverage this week has been the comparisons to Watergate, Nixonian being the adjective de rigueur. I would compare Trump to Nero more than Nixon. After all Nixon was just hyperparanoid. Trump, like Nero, is cruel, capricious and bat shit crazy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 13 May 17 - 04:20 PM

So, Trump invites Comey to the white house for dinner and demands "loyalty", which is code for keep me out of this investigation. Comey says he can't promise "loyalty", only "honesty" which is code for whatever you did will come out.

Naturally, Trump had to fire Comey to cover his ass. Now he will appoint someone to head the FBI who is more "loyal". Even better, someone who has skin in the game meaning someone who was involved in the crimes, like Giuliani. This person will have incentive to halt the investigation.

Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 May 17 - 05:51 PM

"Liberty U?? Sounds about right for Twitler.

Liberty U. teaches young earth creationism in its "Biology"[sic] Dept. and displays dinosaur bones in its "Museum"[sic] labeled as being 3,000 years old.

Per University President Jerry Falwell Jr. : "If more good people had concealed carry permits, then we could end those Muslims before they walked in."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 May 17 - 03:22 AM

Well, it's clear that Comey screwed up on his inequitable handling of the Presidential candidates and their investigations. If Hillary were president right now, she'd certainly have justification to fire him. And while it may seem strange for Trump to be the one to fire him, it's clear that Comey screwed up.
Since we got rid of Comey and we figured out which candidate was conspiring with the Russians, can we run the election again and find out if Trump still wins?
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 14 May 17 - 08:36 AM

I'm well aware of the extreme right wing lunacy of the MM and both Jr. & Sr. Falwell. What I found amusing is that an organization that promotes itself as morally superior should honor a lecherous old scumbag like Twit.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 14 May 17 - 09:26 AM

Who knows? A 70 year old Jesus could have become a lecherous, greedy, lying perv amnesiac, every bit as debased, ignorant and demented as Trump, but I seriously doubt it.

Re: religious hypocrites

They don't want love mercy and justice, they just want $ results in the "donation box" and tuition profit column.

There is much unity in shared hatred. Its arguably more powerful than love can ever be.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 May 17 - 10:37 AM

What I found amusing is that an organization that promotes itself as morally superior should honor a lecherous old scumbag like Twit.

Rather more disgusting than amusing. ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 14 May 17 - 11:26 AM

"There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why?
I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?"
Republicans, Nazis and people of faith ask what's in for me in the Trump meantime.

This is the home of the brave? Perhaps for immigrants.
The Congress that defends Trump are treasonous cowards sitting on a fence that is covered with money but the fence has razor wire under the thin layer of pay offs.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 14 May 17 - 11:36 AM

I think the razor wire has already castrated a number of them, Don. Let's hope they pay at the polls, not all of them are gerrymandered into safe districts and they're catching hell at Town Halls.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 15 May 17 - 05:27 AM

In an interview with Tom Paxton - he said:
if you're writing a song satirizing a president who is an egregious liar, you don't bring the same vocabulary that you use with the seven-year-old boy's song.................... If I'm satirizing the president, I'll use a different box of tools. Each song has its own perfection that you strive for.

Tom - get writin' - there's a story with a lot of mileage unfolding!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 16 May 17 - 01:27 PM

The Embarrassment in Chief has ferreted out a traitorous leaker in the White House, himself:

N.Y. Times

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 17 May 17 - 03:25 AM

from the link above

Trevor Noah made a similar quip about Mr. Trump.
    "So the good news is, Trump listens during intel briefings. And the bad news is, Trump listens during intel briefings."

Do you laugh or cry?

The pundits are saying this is looking more like the tipping point. Republicans are backpedaling.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 17 May 17 - 03:44 AM

from another NYT article - reckons him to be acting like a 7 year-old:

We've got this perverse situation in which the vast analytic powers of the entire world are being spent trying to understand a guy whose thoughts are often just six fireflies beeping randomly in a jar.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 17 - 07:01 AM

Funny stuff Red
But seriously the intel departments admit they have dumbed down briefings with less robust detailed reports for Trump. - They either do not trust him or do not find him capable of understanding or both.

Obstruction is becoming an adjective in describing Donald's behavior. It is all looking obstructive regarding Russia intel cover ups.

Trump brags he is above the law. That is his Narcissistic Achilles heel.

This is the end of the beginning for Trump. We are now in Chapter two- The Age of Subpoenas. Chapter three may involve the quid pro quo part of the Trump Russia oil deal to enrich himself in exchange for sanction manipulation. Republicans like big money deals but NOT NATIONAL SECURITY leaks&deals with Russia.

What is in play in part is the revenge of the CIA.

Fox News is still fighting against this whole story with all their usual tricks

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 May 17 - 09:37 AM

reckons him to be acting like a 7 year-old:

Two year old. By seven they've pretty much given up throwing tantrums.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 May 17 - 09:42 AM

this is looking more like the tipping point

No matter if he's impeached.

The VeepBozo and the rest of the Trump crowd are just as bad as the Prevaricator In Chief.

A distinction without a difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 May 17 - 12:55 AM

I'm very pleased with the selection of Robert Mueller as special counsel in the probe of the Russia conspiracy. I think he'll be able to make sense of it.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 May 17 - 02:53 AM

Robert Mueller - nominated by Dubya. Just saying.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 18 May 17 - 07:59 AM

...and was asked to stay by Obama. He's a man of unquestioned integrity, widely respected on both sides of the aisle who will almost certainly undertake a thorough and vigorous investigation so I guess the old game show host will have to fired him and maybe Rosenstein to boot.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 May 17 - 09:06 AM

Now Twitler the two-year-old is whining about how unfairly he's being treated. Poor, poor, pitiful him.

He really is an international embarrassment.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 18 May 17 - 12:10 PM

Mueller and Trump may never meet.
There is nothing more profound than integrity, there is nothing more profound than no integrity. It may be like when matter and anti matter meet.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: akenaton
Date: 18 May 17 - 02:00 PM

The Establishment, The Media and The "liberals"......the most unholy trinity.
Trump is right, a disgraceful witch hunt, making a mockery of what is supposed to be the greatest democracy on earth.

As one mudcatter said at election time....."now we have to drive him of his head"........sad people.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 18 May 17 - 02:33 PM

It appears the swamp is winning. So much for democracy!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: meself
Date: 18 May 17 - 03:29 PM

I don't understand - everybody I've heard and read agrees that Mueller is a remarkably capable man of unquestionable integrity - so how is his appointment 'the end of democracy' and 'the swamp winning'? Do you two knowing something about Mueller that nobody else knows?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 May 17 - 03:50 PM

Trump is right, a disgraceful

Almost, Ake. Just redact "right, a" and you'll have the facts of the matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 18 May 17 - 05:25 PM

Here's what we posted on May 10, 2017, eight days ago:

Here's a prediction:

Comey was very popular within the FBI in spite of his shortcomings so there are a lot of unhappy folks in the organization. Sometime soon a plain brown envelope will appear in the inbox of the Washington Post or the New York Times and the whole Russian thing will explode.

Can't wait!

Well, there was no plain brown envelope. It was a phone call instead. One day later a special counsel is appointed and "whole Russian thing will explode."

Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 May 17 - 06:21 PM

Trump is Ake's kind of "conservative" - short-sighted, self-centered, and unprincipled. Never let the law or truth get in the way of what you want to do. Back in the old days this would have been considered corrupt or even criminal.

You keep putting those quotes around liberal - clearly you don't understand what it really means or how lucky you are that for much your lifetime it was the liberal world view that made things easier and gave you services like good health care. The conservatives are about ready to take it away, but you're fine with that, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: meself
Date: 18 May 17 - 08:02 PM

So, Trumpeteers: What do you think of Trump's buddy Erdogan sending out his goons - whoops! I mean, 'security detail' - to beat the hell out of peaceful protestors? Is this somehow NOT a gross insult to the United States of America and its democratic traditions, or can we look forward to a blustering, blithering tweet from the Twit-in-Chief expressing his disapproval?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 18 May 17 - 09:09 PM

Trump is jealous of strong men who arrest thousands of journalists.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 May 17 - 09:25 PM

"Trumpeteers"??
I like that.

Two points for "meself."

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: meself
Date: 18 May 17 - 10:29 PM

2 points? Finally, after all these years! See, kids: keep trying; you'll get there!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 May 17 - 10:42 PM

'As one mudcatter said at election time....."now we have to drive him of his head"........sad people.'

i don't think it was a long drive, Ake!

that thing he's just said about being the worst treated President ever! now that is very weird! outlandish....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: akenaton
Date: 19 May 17 - 02:43 AM

Donal John's victory over Mrs Clinton in the election was not simply a defeat for the feminists, but a rejection of the "liberal" ideology which allied to globalism has turned large areas of our respective countries into industrial wastelands and our respective societies into a psychologists wet dream.

The Establishment, Media, "liberal" cartel have no God given right to impose their world view regardless of democratic election results.

President Trump in in an almost impossible position, simply because he is an establishment outsider and a conservative.
Most of his own Party do not want him rocking the establishment boat.

You guys should remember that the political world does not end in what is printed in the New York Times or said by the talking heads of CNN......you comprise an extremely fortunate sector of this lopsided society and if you have your way that status quo will be continued indefinitely.......in short, the "" signify a bunch of hypocrites.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 19 May 17 - 04:08 AM

Most people posting here detest Trump with such a passion it seems to blind them to the dangers posed by the underlying reality. We have a democratically elected President who from the outset has been opposed by those who wish to destroy his Presidency. They have the media behind them and apparently many of the arms of government. They constantly question his mental competance and would try to impeach him on the basis of treasonable collusion with the Russians. As yet these allegations are totally unsubstantiated although from what the mainstream media say it would never be guessed that as yet there is no proof.
Where does this leave your so called democratic process if largely unknown, unelected persons can seek to destroy the legitimacy of the Presidency on the basis of as yet purely malicious rumours given wings by a captive media. This is driven, not by the above rumours, but because their favourite lost the election and they will stop at nothing to rectify their perceived error of the democratic vote.
Who are these people that set themselves above the law and would seek to overturn the will of the people?
You have a democracy in ashes yet you refuse to accept it because it will take you outside your comfort zone and force you to recognise that forces are at work sharing the same degree of legitimacy as your continued actions in Syria.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 19 May 17 - 04:29 AM

anyone aware Rutherford B Hayes had a nickname:

Rutherfraud.

And he became president with electoral shinanegans where the popular vote and the electoral college differed.

similarities deviated after that.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: akenaton
Date: 19 May 17 - 05:41 AM

Great post Iains.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 May 17 - 06:01 AM

i think the point is that there is quite a lot of fed up factor creeping in.

people fed up with Reublican Party narrowly winning elections under dodgy circumstances, and the spending an inordinate amount of tax dollars with the armament manufacturers who finance their dodgy election campaigns.

and the result is all these pointless wars.

theres a sort of deja vu feel about it all.

of the two candidates - Clinton's campaign suffered far more from the FBI's intervention. i don't know if Trump used crooked means to get elected - but if he did, it should be investigated.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 19 May 17 - 06:05 AM

Who are these people that set themselves above the law and would seek to overturn the will of the people?

How do you define this "will of the people"? If percentage of voters was the measure, I believe Clinton received something towards 3 million more votes than Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 19 May 17 - 06:32 AM

John Freeman. As the democratic process stands in the US with the electoral college ratifying the electoral choice for President, there is no argument but that Trump won the election. The reasons for having the electoral college are well known and sound. If you feel that the college is now an anachronism it is up to you and like minded people to enable it to be changed. Until such time as the procedure is changed then the electoral college will hold sway.
Continually bleating it is unfair is the epitome of false news.
The process is fair, democratic and part of the constitution and will remain so until such time as a winning proposition and vote changes the 12th Amendment.
The argument you present is as ridiculous as arguing day is night.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 19 May 17 - 06:41 AM

Sure the system works that way. Whether it sould or not is anoter matter and one I can't answer.

Your "the will of the people" however remains qeustionable...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 May 17 - 08:36 AM

the point is - do you believe the FBI should not be allowed to investigate behaviour they see as suspicious.

do you think the President should be above the law?

i think Nixon must have thought he was and he was treated badly.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 19 May 17 - 09:47 AM

The old fraud can't decide which story about the Comey firing will play best in Peoria so yesterday in his press conference he shifted back to his original story that he acted on Rosenstein's "very, very stong recommendations" and away from his first denial of it when he claimed the dismissal was about the Russia investigation which could be another indicator of obstruction of justice on his part, while also yesterday, in a Senate hearing, Rosenstein told committee members that he was aware that Twit was going to fire Comey before he even wrote the memo. Twit's either lying again, which comes to him as naturally as breathing, or he's totally disconnected from reality. Actually, it looks like a combination of the two.

With the appointment of Mueller we have a chance for a fair, non-partisan investigation of Russia's involvement in the election. Anyone who cares about this country and it's institutions, including our election process, should welcome that and wonder why Twit's pushing back so hard against these various investigations. What is he afraid of. He may be innocent but if he is he seems to have forgotten, or has never been aware of, the Watergate-era adage "the coverup is worse than the crime".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: akenaton
Date: 19 May 17 - 09:59 AM

"Russia's involvement in the election"......what fuckin' involvement would that be? Somebody hacks the Democratic Party and uncovers corruption involving the undermining of Berni Sanders....and you blame the Russian President!!
The undermining of Sanders was a serious issue involving anti Semitism, yet you ignore it to try to get rid of the only guy prepared to take on the media and the political establishment.

I think you people hate Putin as much as you hate conservatives, I wonder if that has anything to with the Russian state's attitude to homosexuality?    Why don't you just get over it and get back under the blankets? :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Stu
Date: 19 May 17 - 10:00 AM

"We have a democratically elected President"

You sure about that? Let's wait and see what the full picture is; it's hardly democratic if there was collusion between Trump and the Russians. People are defending democracy by questioning Trump, not destroying it. Checks and balances.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: meself
Date: 19 May 17 - 10:26 AM

Look at the comment section of any news story about Trump: it never takes long before the Trump supporters' obsession with homosexual sex comes up. Usually behind the thin veil of insult.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: meself
Date: 19 May 17 - 10:36 AM

"Continually bleating it is unfair is the epitome of false news."

I think you, like Trump, don't understand the concept of 'false [fake] news'; it has become a mindless mantra repeated when a Trumpeteer hears what he doesn't like. "Bleating", if that's what it is, that something is unfair - isn't that what we get from Trump on a daily basis: 'oh, they're so unfair to me; nobody has ever been as unfair to anybody in the history of the world as everybody is to me. So unfair! #poorme'? - is not 'news', false or otherwise. It is opinion, and everyone knows it is opinion - agree or disagree, present your arguments like a grown-up, rational person - don't a 70-year-old whining baby TV celebrity as your model.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 May 17 - 10:54 AM

We have a democratically elected President who from the outset has been opposed by those who wish to destroy his Presidency.

So you're talking about Barack Obama then Iains, and the Republicans' openy declared agenda of the previous eight years?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 19 May 17 - 11:06 AM

meself: the mindless mantra is alleged collusion with Russia and hijacking of the election by Russia. Many allegations repeated mindlessly by the mainstream. Still waiting for any type of hard evidence as yet none. Many on this forum act as though the various allegations have been proven. How sad is that. It is a good job none of you are responsible for implementing capital punishment, otherwise heaven knows how many innocents would have been thrown to the wolves. The standard of evidence you require in order to be swayed has the veracity of a fairy tale. And you dare call yourselves sentient beings? more like brainwashed muppets.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 May 17 - 12:29 PM

look Iains - its not us - its the FBI who says it needs investigating.
that is the FBI - one of the most respected set of lawmen in the world.

an agency that has shown a partiality in the past to the GOP.

if they say he's a crook, it is worthy of consideration.

or do you want an international crook deciding to send your young men off to war?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 19 May 17 - 01:30 PM

Hacking the DNC is one aspect, a small aspect, of the Russian meddling in the US presidential election. The suggestions made publicly by Trump about the directions they should move with their hacks, and the revelations of all of his various supporters and advisers meeting with various Russians - including the fired Flynn, his current inept Attorney General (who had to recuse himself from the investigation because of his participation) and many others.

Then there are all of the Russians whom these Trump-supporting Americans contacted who are dying since the election. Is it eight or nine of them so far? In locked rooms, in parked cars, all in various shady circumstances. Putin is removing the links to the crimes that Trump and his ilk are being accused of. Treason.

Trump is a sociopath, elected narrowly via the electoral college by states that can probably be shown to have had undue pressure applied through back-room bots pushing what truly is fake news - through Russian hacking. It will unravel, as these things do. There is no point in wishing for prison time for Trump because Pence will pardon him, like Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon. Just get him the hell out of our faces and out of our lives.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 May 17 - 03:47 PM

How sad is that.

You one of Twitler's speech writers (or rather Tweet-Writers) Iains?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 19 May 17 - 04:17 PM

Greg F: Long before the election warnings were issued about the security of electronic voting.Yet to save money paper votes were not insisted upon. Irregardless of perceived irregularities in the electronic vote, if it was felt by some to be susceptible then why did the process continue. Seems more than dumb to me. Or perhaps it was to give grounds for disputing the outcome should the vote have gone awry(as it did)
If the mainstream media was spread among multiple ownership perhaps the content could be given a higher level of trust. But what we have is continued sniping trying to built castles of air created from supposition, rumour and hearsay. In essence stories are circulated with zero tangible evidence shown to give any shred of support. No wonder religions can garnish so much support. Control the media, feed a line continuously and you control the people. Easy peasy!
Never in the field of bullshit has so much been achieved by so few to control so many.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 May 17 - 04:22 PM

So who's your favorite, Iains: Alex Jones, Howard Nema, or Michael Savage?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: meself
Date: 19 May 17 - 06:11 PM

Everyone knows that the FBI are a bunch of bleeding-heart, namby-pamby, limp-wristed 'liberals' - not to mention, Islamo-terrorist communists ....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 17 - 06:50 PM

Well that is not my experience.

Unconfirmed: Jared Kushner has as much contact with Russia as Flynn

Confirmed: Comey will publicly testify in Congress after Memorial day.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 19 May 17 - 07:09 PM

The old flim flam man hit the trifecta today if you include the revelation that he told Lavrov in their meeting last week that ""I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job," "I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off." and the White House is not denying it, yet. There's not much doubt about why he fired Comey now. He's building a pretty good obstruction case against himself.

N.Y. Times

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 17 - 09:07 PM

Confirmed: Pense has approved a pense for President Super PAC
Unconfirmed: Comey is crazy and a nut job.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 May 17 - 09:41 PM

Iains, the unfair nature of the electoral college system as it currently operates is well illustrated by Florida. Florida has 29 electoral college votes. Trump won Florida by a whisker. Fair outcome? Trump gets 15 votes, Clinton gets 14. Actual, unfair outcome? Trump gets 29 votes, Clinton gets none. That isn't whingeing or moaning, Iains. That is an unemotional characterisation of a ridiculously inequitable system. It isn't right for you to tell people to stop moaning and move on. They are perfectly right to point to how the system cheated Clinton. She won the popular vote by a considerable margin. If you can't see that there's something fundamentally wrong with a system that produces the outcome it did, well there's no helping you. Of course, we are where we are. But there will be a next time. It won't get fixed until lots of people whinge and moan in the way you disapprove of.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 May 17 - 01:50 AM

Trump is digging a hole that he can't get out of. As noted, he is a sociopath who can't help himself when it comes to the knee-jerk responses and lies to try to make himself look good and set himself in a beneficial business position.

Comey made mistakes, his timing was horrible as far as the timing of a statement regarding the still non-issue of Hillary's email. But he pissed off as many people on the right as well, so at least he was an equal-opportunity offender. The deputy AG who put Mueller in place may have drunk the Trump Koolaid to get his position (Comey didn't trust him because of the nonsense Trump was trying to put in place as far as a loyalty oath) but he chose well as far as an investigator. It has put the Trump White House into full assault-on-Mueller-mode: looking for regulations that will hamstring his investigation. The Keystone Cops are trying to sweep away the tide (mixed metaphors work particularly well for this awful administration).

When the investigation is concluded Trump will be out. But Pence is equally tainted. The problem is that the woman who WON the popular vote can't be awarded the office. To do that would be to tread on too many laws in place. If she'd won this time, she'd have run again in 2020 - so will she choose to run then? I doubt it, but if she tries, I think the chaos of the 2016 race will rise to the surface again. 2016 was Hillary's time, but the DNC tried too hard and Debbie Wasserman Schultz couldn't just leave well enough alone and let Bernie burn out and leave the field to Clinton.

I will note here that Ake is just plain clueless when it comes to his analysis of Hillary and her role in American government. His blinders are so huge that the moment he enters into one of these discussions of American politics he makes a spectacle of himself. "Conservative" politicians are in disarray now (because the party was first co-opted by the Tea Party, then watched impotently as Trump left a slime trail as he did a hostile takeover of the party). The Americans who voted for Trump were deluded by a television personality, they don't understand how government works. Neither does Trump. His ascension to office has probably been the single biggest boost to groups like the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, NAACP, and others. This will resolve itself - and a lot of people will have to learn how our government is really supposed to work in the process.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 May 17 - 02:08 AM

i tell you what...

i'm really enjoying watching this unfolding. JUst like watching Sam Ervine at Watergate. Will they nail the bastard....?

nailbiting stuff. if i didn't have a use for my nails!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 May 17 - 03:27 AM

if it waddles like a duck
if it quacks like a duck
and lays eggs

It is a duck

And we have a lot of fertile eggs ready to hatch right now.

Those that don't understand the analogy please give it a day before you comment.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: akenaton
Date: 20 May 17 - 03:53 AM

"When the investigation is concluded Trump will be out. But Pence is equally tainted. The problem is that the woman who WON the popular vote can't be awarded the office. To do that would be to tread on too many laws in place. If she'd won this time, she'd have run again in 2020 - so will she choose to run then? I doubt it, but if she tries, I think the chaos of the 2016 race will rise to the surface again. 2016 was Hillary's time, but the DNC tried too hard and Debbie Wasserman Schultz couldn't just leave well enough alone and let Bernie burn out and leave the field to Clinton."

Unbelievable? No some people actually believe this version of events.....not a lot and they are all "liberals" :0)

Bernie could have beaten Donal John easily.....but the DNC were shitting themselves, they preferred the most mistrusted politician in the US, or even a Republican, than someone with the smell of socialism hanging over them.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 20 May 17 - 05:28 AM

1) Like it or not the media is controlled by very few people and if you believe in editorial independence you can tell me all about fairies.
2) If you do not like the electoral college initiate change.
3)Until such time as investigations occur and report the US in a hiatus
of sensible government.
My own take on the situation is that the US has interfered in the democratic process and elections of other countries for decades. Does it really make sense for the powers that be to leave their own process open to manipulation? And if they apparently did(should the rumours be true) one would have to ask why?
The more allegations thrown at Trump the more it raises concerns about deep state.The majority view on this forum seems to take everything the media feeds them at face value. Is critical analysis dead? This I find extremely worrying.
I believe we are seeing mission creep for the engineered takedown of a President with increasingly outrageous allegations being publicised.
Excellent news for those responsible but bad news for both the electorate and the office of the President, irregardless of who is in office in the future. I would have thought a little analysis would be in order instead of wholesale cheering. Who actually benefits when all this has concluded. Emasculating the office of the Presidency benefits no one in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 20 May 17 - 07:20 AM

"We used to have a better class of criminal in the White House, when a President obstructed justice he didn't go out and brag about it on TV or to our Russian adversaries."

Conservative columnist David Brooks on All Things Considered last night.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: akenaton
Date: 20 May 17 - 08:40 AM

The omission was not the greatest flaw.

Our Russian adversaries?......It used to be our colleagues in the War against Terror. Our Trading partners.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Stu
Date: 20 May 17 - 08:57 AM

"It used to be our colleagues in the War against Terror. Our Trading partners."

Too true. I mean the cold war, what a fuss over nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 May 17 - 09:47 AM

the media is controlled by very few people and if you believe in editorial independence you can tell me all about fairies....The more allegations thrown at Trump the more it raises concerns about deep state.


So which one IS your favorite news source, Iains: Alex Jones, Howard Nema, or Michael Savage?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 20 May 17 - 09:49 AM

Not any more, we've recognized Putin for what he is, more a capo tutti capo of a murderous international crime syndicate than a head of state. Anyone craving an alliance with him is morally bankrupt. No wonder Twitler is his fawning sycophant.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 17 - 12:37 PM

The judicial system in the US is maddening at best and defers to wealth at worst.

Trump may be found innocent if he is insulated enough.

While he is no Teflon President and ignorance of the law is no defense he knows about sacrificial goats, loyalty and setting up fall guys and patsies.

Just looking guilty and having loads of circumstantial evidence is not enough for impeachment. Pense could be involved more deeply to the point of prosecution despite all his claims that he knows nothing. That leaves the speaker of the house in line for the Presidency.

Its too late for Pense to invoke the 25th amendment. Now he too faces a special prosecutor.

All of this speculation awaits the forthcoming evidence. The uninformed Trump base that blames media and routinely refutes facts automatically,
can be incited to do vengeful damage by Trump tweet orders and surrogate protests. For reasons to protect civility, the findings of Mueller may be altered to protect Americans from threats of insurrection. Maybe Trump will whine about unfairness all the way to exile in Mara Lago?

This sure is a nail biter all right

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 17 - 07:18 PM

More unexpected stuff:

newt Gingrich is going to move and live at the Vatican since his wife was named to be the US ambassador there.

Trump is happier than a pig in whipped cream in Saudi Arabia. He got a gold star necklace and signed a 150 billion dollar weapons deal

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 21 May 17 - 04:13 AM

Greg F. Having spent my working life as a scientist I rather like my beliefs backed by facts and evidence. In these circumstances the sources are an irrelevance. It is the content, and what supports the content, that is crucial.
You however obviously believe in a form of combustion unknown to science, Plenty of smoke blowing around but despite strenuous efforts to find it:- no smouldering embers and no fire.
Strange that, is it not?

What was it Goebbels said? If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it

Please provide evidence of Trumps alleged collusion with Russia and be careful breathing all that smoke that provides your belief system. It is damaging.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 May 17 - 04:35 AM

Iains
As a scientist, you should have learned that it is not enough to dismiss and accepted belief - you need to replace it with something that fills the gap you have removed
You tend not to do this when it comes to politics - you rely far to much on dismissive rhetoric with a sprinkle of pomposity added to disguise the blandness of your statements, (and a tendency to talk down to people so the meal actually looks good)
Might work i the lab....... not in this kitchen, I'm afraid.
Maybe you should try Ache's 'first name' technique of addressing the subjects as if you actually knew them - that might give your denials a bit more authority
Trump is what he appears to be - a political thug
THe people in the U.S. are beginning to find that out to their cost
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 21 May 17 - 06:09 AM

Jim despite what you say the jury is still out.
"As a scientist, you should have learned that it is not enough to dismiss and accepted belief - you need to replace it with something that fills the gap you have removed"
That has to be the most asinine statement I have ever seen.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: akenaton
Date: 21 May 17 - 06:30 AM

Jim, strangely enough I have connections to the MacLeods of Lewis through my grandmother; not that this affects my political views in any way.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 21 May 17 - 08:11 AM

We'll just have to wait and see what crimes the old fraud might be guilty of but the best aspect of these various scandals is that they will cripple his ability, already found wanting by his own ineptitude, to impose his aggressively supply side, anti-human, anti-environment pro-Russian agenda on the American people.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 May 17 - 09:20 AM

In these circumstances the sources are an irrelevance.

Really? With Jones, Nema & Savage?

No point taking this any further.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 May 17 - 09:56 AM

Only guy I know of who can out-asshole Trump.

Click here

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 21 May 17 - 10:55 AM

Greg F. Quite correct there is no point in continuing a dialogue with you as you lack basic comprehension skills.
" It is the content, and what supports the content, that is crucial."
I will rephrase this just for you.
Unless an allegation is backed by verifiable facts it is simply an allegation. Even a statement in law requires to be tested and found proven
What do you use for your sources? a Ouija board?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 May 17 - 11:58 AM

Like it or not the media is controlled by very few people and if you believe in editorial independence you can tell me all about fairies

Farcebook is owned by the masses, or the content is.

So much for a free press.

YES IT IS a medium. Learn to live with it, the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 May 17 - 02:21 PM

the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Once again, I give you Jones, Nema & Savage, et.al. (And Iains, perhaps?)

And Trump, the Trumpists, and their apologists and defenders.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 21 May 17 - 03:47 PM

A Lunatic An extremely foolish or eccentric person.
Like a person that accepts any MSM titbit criticising Trump as having the same impeccable validity as Thomas Jefferson's phraseology concerning the Declaration of Independance. "We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness….

The latter may be a valid posit, the former can only be advanced with accompanying evidence in order to satisfy all but the foolish and eccentric, otherwise it is merely rumour, hearsay and malicious allegations.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 May 17 - 03:55 PM

The White House leaks Trump-tidbits like a sieve. Turns out he didn't just share highly-classified information with the Russians, he also dismissed Comey as " a nut job." He takes sides against his own officials and smears them to spies and diplomats from other countries.

Trump isn't smarter than a fifth grader, he isn't a handicapped child, he isn't all of the names he has been called, because that assumes fifth graders are stupid or that handicapped children deserve that kind of mis-representation and abuse. Trump is a Sociopath with a gift of gab that enough Americans bought into and decided this was the change they wanted. All of those people who swallowed lies about Hillary hook, line, and sinker are ignoring the whoppers that Trump tells and don't seem to understand how severely compromised our country is right now. It's only the strength of the mainstream politicians and the silent but robust abilities of federal employees that are keeping things on an even keel as far as many agencies go.

Dismiss Democratic concerns all you want, but we have the moral high ground on this one. When Trump goes, he's going to go with a big messy explosion. And he will go. It's just a matter of time.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: bobad
Date: 21 May 17 - 06:42 PM

Greg F. Quite correct there is no point in continuing a dialogue with you

Common man, Greg doesn't do dialogue, haven't you been paying attention?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 May 17 - 06:55 PM

Greg doesn't do dialogue

Ah but then Bobad, I don't do bullshit which is your tour de force either!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: bobad
Date: 21 May 17 - 07:17 PM

At least I got him to dialogue......lol!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 17 - 04:27 AM

was that one grunt, or two?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 22 May 17 - 06:04 AM

cool it folks, the Merchant of Venom does it better than anyone of this parish.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 May 17 - 09:33 AM

Great news: Mexico offers to pay for Trump's impeachment!

Click here

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 22 May 17 - 10:41 AM

Caught in White House Chaos, Justice Dept. Official Seeks Neutral Ground

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 17 - 12:23 PM

Trump told Flynn to "stay strong" which amounts to Flynn's lawyers now saying Flynn will be taking the 5th for his eventual testimony before Congress.

Like everything else Trump sure makes things more suspicious than they need to be.

{believe obey and buy all things Trump} or resist

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 May 17 - 04:45 PM

a person that accepts any MSM titbit criticising Trump You're right of course Iains - everyone's lying except Trump. Oh, and YOU of course.

By the way, do you have a degree in Engineering, by any chance?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 22 May 17 - 08:23 PM

The hits just keep coming. According to the WaPo, Twit asked both the DNI and the head of the NSA to aid in his attempt to quash the Russian collusion investigation. From a CNBC article:

"President Donald Trump reportedly urged two top intelligence officials to publicly deny that his campaign colluded with Russia after ex-FBI Director James Comey's confirmed the existence of a probe into that matter."

Click here

At this stage even the most rock-ribbed Twit supporter has got to wonder what he's so afraid of.
There's been many dark days for this young train wreck of an administration but they all may seem like a picnic when Comey testifies before the Senate Intel committee after Memroial Day.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 23 May 17 - 05:01 PM

Gillymor, How much money has Russia given Trump?
If you don't know its OK.   Its legal.

Remember the Supreme Court decision - Citizens United? It paved the way for legal collusion.
Lying about the collusion is another matter and preventing investigations is borderline criminal/impeachable. (Laws overlap)

This is how we finance elections Please Take a Look

They also decided that money is covered by free speech and multi national Corporations are really PEOPLE.

Face it. The people who wanted Citizens United were expecting and hoping for collusion and cash.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 23 May 17 - 05:16 PM

Back when C.U. became law I warned of our elections being controlled by foreign involvement and cash. It may be gauche of me to say I told you so, but there you have it. It all worked out for the right this time and has set a successful precedent for years to come.

Bottom line, the Democrats have a very weak case against Trump and eventually could be settled by the Trump Supreme Court, in his favor.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 23 May 17 - 07:15 PM

Don, did you mean how much money did Russsia give him to launder? :^)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 23 May 17 - 07:45 PM

In DC the Trump Hotel, next to Union Station, has a laundering mat in the basement.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 23 May 17 - 07:56 PM

As far as CU goes, Twit's already got one of his boys on the High Court, if he (or Pence) get another one that dark money will be fucking up this country and consequently the world long after you and I are gone.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 23 May 17 - 08:09 PM

The late 90's is precisely the time the Russian mob came to DC and closed the doors of hundreds of small shops that would not pay tribute.
Inside of a year many places I enjoyed that had 1 owner were gone.
The Russian mobsters were a crude joke on one hand and operated with impunity on the other. This was also the time when brick and mortar stores were given an internet option so it wasn't all mob influence.
The Russian mob is much less visible today.

Do you get how Citizen's United is working like a charm now?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 May 17 - 09:42 PM

Trump wasn't able to block Mueller via any ethics statutes:
Washington Post story. He protested the appointment and wanted to show Mueller was ineligible.

Justice Department ethics experts have concluded that newly appointed special counsel Robert S. Mueller III can oversee the investigation into possible coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin during the 2016 presidential election — even though his former law firm represents several people who could be caught up in the matter, authorities announced Tuesday.

In an email, Justice Department spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores said ethics officials had reviewed the case and "determined that Mr. Mueller's participation in the matters assigned to him is appropriate." She said the officials had considered Mueller's professional obligations and those imposed by government ethics regulations.

Follow the link for the rest.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 24 May 17 - 09:34 AM

T***p lawyers up with Marc Kasowitz, who has represented him through various fraud, divorce and sexual misconduct difficulties. Perhaps it's finally starting to sink in that he wasn't elected dictator.
Interestingly, Kasowitz also represents Sberbank, Russia's largest state-controlled bank.

From MSNBC

Anyone still harboring any illusions that Twit is some kind of an anti-establishment populist need only look at the recent White House budget proposal which rewards his wealthy friends and family with massive tax cuts and hits the rural poor and working class, the demographic which gave him his most enthusiatic support, hardest of all. While this budget proposal has little chance of being implemented, too many Republican reps in rural areas, it is a good snapshot of Twit's atttitude towards common people, assumming he even knows what it contains.

From Politico

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 May 17 - 10:13 AM

hits the rural poor and working class, the demographic which gave him his most enthusiatic support, hardest of all.

And yet, they still love him.


"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."   - H. L. Mencken

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 25 May 17 - 08:32 PM

Last week I told you about the UNCONFIRMED report that the unnamed person that was the object of the Russia Investigation was actually Jared Kushner.

Today it is finally Confirmed.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 May 17 - 09:39 PM

What a surprise.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 26 May 17 - 07:37 AM

Perhaps this will shine a light on Jared Kushner, Slumlord:

in NYC

in Baltimore

Like Father in Law, like Son in Law:

Donald Trump, despicable landlord

If people actually took the time to look into Trump's sad history they wouldn't have elected him dog catcher.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 May 17 - 08:48 AM

Sure they would! They LOVE ignorant bigot slobs.

Look at Montana.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Stu
Date: 26 May 17 - 09:25 AM

Wow, did you see Trump pushing the PM of Montenegro aside like a playground bully? He's a lout as well as a dick.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 26 May 17 - 09:43 AM

Symbolic of the way he's treated our NATO allies. Putin must have been turning cartwheels after Twit's disgraceful overall performance yesterday.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 26 May 17 - 08:39 PM

It looks more and more like we will have to bear shame and danger for the next two years until after the mid term elections.

Rules and laws are being broken but the nature of the evidence and testimony are all circumstantial. Guilty as hell yes but the nature of proof does not accomplish criminal prosecution or political impeachment yet. It will come close but no cigar. Unfortunately the Nazi types will fight for the failing fool ferociously until the bitter end. Somehow sounds familiar.

Well I would love to be surprised but it looks to me we will have to wait. And wait.