BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 May 17 - 09:41 PM

Iains, the unfair nature of the electoral college system as it currently operates is well illustrated by Florida. Florida has 29 electoral college votes. Trump won Florida by a whisker. Fair outcome? Trump gets 15 votes, Clinton gets 14. Actual, unfair outcome? Trump gets 29 votes, Clinton gets none. That isn't whingeing or moaning, Iains. That is an unemotional characterisation of a ridiculously inequitable system. It isn't right for you to tell people to stop moaning and move on. They are perfectly right to point to how the system cheated Clinton. She won the popular vote by a considerable margin. If you can't see that there's something fundamentally wrong with a system that produces the outcome it did, well there's no helping you. Of course, we are where we are. But there will be a next time. It won't get fixed until lots of people whinge and moan in the way you disapprove of.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 17 - 09:07 PM

Confirmed: Pense has approved a pense for President Super PAC
Unconfirmed: Comey is crazy and a nut job.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 19 May 17 - 07:09 PM

The old flim flam man hit the trifecta today if you include the revelation that he told Lavrov in their meeting last week that ""I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job," "I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off." and the White House is not denying it, yet. There's not much doubt about why he fired Comey now. He's building a pretty good obstruction case against himself.

N.Y. Times

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 19 May 17 - 06:50 PM

Well that is not my experience.

Unconfirmed: Jared Kushner has as much contact with Russia as Flynn

Confirmed: Comey will publicly testify in Congress after Memorial day.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: meself
Date: 19 May 17 - 06:11 PM

Everyone knows that the FBI are a bunch of bleeding-heart, namby-pamby, limp-wristed 'liberals' - not to mention, Islamo-terrorist communists ....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 May 17 - 04:22 PM

So who's your favorite, Iains: Alex Jones, Howard Nema, or Michael Savage?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 19 May 17 - 04:17 PM

Greg F: Long before the election warnings were issued about the security of electronic voting.Yet to save money paper votes were not insisted upon. Irregardless of perceived irregularities in the electronic vote, if it was felt by some to be susceptible then why did the process continue. Seems more than dumb to me. Or perhaps it was to give grounds for disputing the outcome should the vote have gone awry(as it did)
If the mainstream media was spread among multiple ownership perhaps the content could be given a higher level of trust. But what we have is continued sniping trying to built castles of air created from supposition, rumour and hearsay. In essence stories are circulated with zero tangible evidence shown to give any shred of support. No wonder religions can garnish so much support. Control the media, feed a line continuously and you control the people. Easy peasy!
Never in the field of bullshit has so much been achieved by so few to control so many.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 May 17 - 03:47 PM

How sad is that.

You one of Twitler's speech writers (or rather Tweet-Writers) Iains?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 19 May 17 - 01:30 PM

Hacking the DNC is one aspect, a small aspect, of the Russian meddling in the US presidential election. The suggestions made publicly by Trump about the directions they should move with their hacks, and the revelations of all of his various supporters and advisers meeting with various Russians - including the fired Flynn, his current inept Attorney General (who had to recuse himself from the investigation because of his participation) and many others.

Then there are all of the Russians whom these Trump-supporting Americans contacted who are dying since the election. Is it eight or nine of them so far? In locked rooms, in parked cars, all in various shady circumstances. Putin is removing the links to the crimes that Trump and his ilk are being accused of. Treason.

Trump is a sociopath, elected narrowly via the electoral college by states that can probably be shown to have had undue pressure applied through back-room bots pushing what truly is fake news - through Russian hacking. It will unravel, as these things do. There is no point in wishing for prison time for Trump because Pence will pardon him, like Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon. Just get him the hell out of our faces and out of our lives.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 May 17 - 12:29 PM

look Iains - its not us - its the FBI who says it needs investigating.
that is the FBI - one of the most respected set of lawmen in the world.

an agency that has shown a partiality in the past to the GOP.

if they say he's a crook, it is worthy of consideration.

or do you want an international crook deciding to send your young men off to war?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 19 May 17 - 11:06 AM

meself: the mindless mantra is alleged collusion with Russia and hijacking of the election by Russia. Many allegations repeated mindlessly by the mainstream. Still waiting for any type of hard evidence as yet none. Many on this forum act as though the various allegations have been proven. How sad is that. It is a good job none of you are responsible for implementing capital punishment, otherwise heaven knows how many innocents would have been thrown to the wolves. The standard of evidence you require in order to be swayed has the veracity of a fairy tale. And you dare call yourselves sentient beings? more like brainwashed muppets.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 May 17 - 10:54 AM

We have a democratically elected President who from the outset has been opposed by those who wish to destroy his Presidency.

So you're talking about Barack Obama then Iains, and the Republicans' openy declared agenda of the previous eight years?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: meself
Date: 19 May 17 - 10:36 AM

"Continually bleating it is unfair is the epitome of false news."

I think you, like Trump, don't understand the concept of 'false [fake] news'; it has become a mindless mantra repeated when a Trumpeteer hears what he doesn't like. "Bleating", if that's what it is, that something is unfair - isn't that what we get from Trump on a daily basis: 'oh, they're so unfair to me; nobody has ever been as unfair to anybody in the history of the world as everybody is to me. So unfair! #poorme'? - is not 'news', false or otherwise. It is opinion, and everyone knows it is opinion - agree or disagree, present your arguments like a grown-up, rational person - don't a 70-year-old whining baby TV celebrity as your model.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: meself
Date: 19 May 17 - 10:26 AM

Look at the comment section of any news story about Trump: it never takes long before the Trump supporters' obsession with homosexual sex comes up. Usually behind the thin veil of insult.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Stu
Date: 19 May 17 - 10:00 AM

"We have a democratically elected President"

You sure about that? Let's wait and see what the full picture is; it's hardly democratic if there was collusion between Trump and the Russians. People are defending democracy by questioning Trump, not destroying it. Checks and balances.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: akenaton
Date: 19 May 17 - 09:59 AM

"Russia's involvement in the election"......what fuckin' involvement would that be? Somebody hacks the Democratic Party and uncovers corruption involving the undermining of Berni Sanders....and you blame the Russian President!!
The undermining of Sanders was a serious issue involving anti Semitism, yet you ignore it to try to get rid of the only guy prepared to take on the media and the political establishment.

I think you people hate Putin as much as you hate conservatives, I wonder if that has anything to with the Russian state's attitude to homosexuality?    Why don't you just get over it and get back under the blankets? :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 19 May 17 - 09:47 AM

The old fraud can't decide which story about the Comey firing will play best in Peoria so yesterday in his press conference he shifted back to his original story that he acted on Rosenstein's "very, very stong recommendations" and away from his first denial of it when he claimed the dismissal was about the Russia investigation which could be another indicator of obstruction of justice on his part, while also yesterday, in a Senate hearing, Rosenstein told committee members that he was aware that Twit was going to fire Comey before he even wrote the memo. Twit's either lying again, which comes to him as naturally as breathing, or he's totally disconnected from reality. Actually, it looks like a combination of the two.

With the appointment of Mueller we have a chance for a fair, non-partisan investigation of Russia's involvement in the election. Anyone who cares about this country and it's institutions, including our election process, should welcome that and wonder why Twit's pushing back so hard against these various investigations. What is he afraid of. He may be innocent but if he is he seems to have forgotten, or has never been aware of, the Watergate-era adage "the coverup is worse than the crime".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 May 17 - 08:36 AM

the point is - do you believe the FBI should not be allowed to investigate behaviour they see as suspicious.

do you think the President should be above the law?

i think Nixon must have thought he was and he was treated badly.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 19 May 17 - 06:41 AM

Sure the system works that way. Whether it sould or not is anoter matter and one I can't answer.

Your "the will of the people" however remains qeustionable...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 19 May 17 - 06:32 AM

John Freeman. As the democratic process stands in the US with the electoral college ratifying the electoral choice for President, there is no argument but that Trump won the election. The reasons for having the electoral college are well known and sound. If you feel that the college is now an anachronism it is up to you and like minded people to enable it to be changed. Until such time as the procedure is changed then the electoral college will hold sway.
Continually bleating it is unfair is the epitome of false news.
The process is fair, democratic and part of the constitution and will remain so until such time as a winning proposition and vote changes the 12th Amendment.
The argument you present is as ridiculous as arguing day is night.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 19 May 17 - 06:05 AM

Who are these people that set themselves above the law and would seek to overturn the will of the people?

How do you define this "will of the people"? If percentage of voters was the measure, I believe Clinton received something towards 3 million more votes than Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 May 17 - 06:01 AM

i think the point is that there is quite a lot of fed up factor creeping in.

people fed up with Reublican Party narrowly winning elections under dodgy circumstances, and the spending an inordinate amount of tax dollars with the armament manufacturers who finance their dodgy election campaigns.

and the result is all these pointless wars.

theres a sort of deja vu feel about it all.

of the two candidates - Clinton's campaign suffered far more from the FBI's intervention. i don't know if Trump used crooked means to get elected - but if he did, it should be investigated.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: akenaton
Date: 19 May 17 - 05:41 AM

Great post Iains.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 19 May 17 - 04:29 AM

anyone aware Rutherford B Hayes had a nickname:

Rutherfraud.

And he became president with electoral shinanegans where the popular vote and the electoral college differed.

similarities deviated after that.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 19 May 17 - 04:08 AM

Most people posting here detest Trump with such a passion it seems to blind them to the dangers posed by the underlying reality. We have a democratically elected President who from the outset has been opposed by those who wish to destroy his Presidency. They have the media behind them and apparently many of the arms of government. They constantly question his mental competance and would try to impeach him on the basis of treasonable collusion with the Russians. As yet these allegations are totally unsubstantiated although from what the mainstream media say it would never be guessed that as yet there is no proof.
Where does this leave your so called democratic process if largely unknown, unelected persons can seek to destroy the legitimacy of the Presidency on the basis of as yet purely malicious rumours given wings by a captive media. This is driven, not by the above rumours, but because their favourite lost the election and they will stop at nothing to rectify their perceived error of the democratic vote.
Who are these people that set themselves above the law and would seek to overturn the will of the people?
You have a democracy in ashes yet you refuse to accept it because it will take you outside your comfort zone and force you to recognise that forces are at work sharing the same degree of legitimacy as your continued actions in Syria.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: akenaton
Date: 19 May 17 - 02:43 AM

Donal John's victory over Mrs Clinton in the election was not simply a defeat for the feminists, but a rejection of the "liberal" ideology which allied to globalism has turned large areas of our respective countries into industrial wastelands and our respective societies into a psychologists wet dream.

The Establishment, Media, "liberal" cartel have no God given right to impose their world view regardless of democratic election results.

President Trump in in an almost impossible position, simply because he is an establishment outsider and a conservative.
Most of his own Party do not want him rocking the establishment boat.

You guys should remember that the political world does not end in what is printed in the New York Times or said by the talking heads of CNN......you comprise an extremely fortunate sector of this lopsided society and if you have your way that status quo will be continued indefinitely.......in short, the "" signify a bunch of hypocrites.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 May 17 - 10:42 PM

'As one mudcatter said at election time....."now we have to drive him of his head"........sad people.'

i don't think it was a long drive, Ake!

that thing he's just said about being the worst treated President ever! now that is very weird! outlandish....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: meself
Date: 18 May 17 - 10:29 PM

2 points? Finally, after all these years! See, kids: keep trying; you'll get there!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 May 17 - 09:25 PM

"Trumpeteers"??
I like that.

Two points for "meself."

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 18 May 17 - 09:09 PM

Trump is jealous of strong men who arrest thousands of journalists.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: meself
Date: 18 May 17 - 08:02 PM

So, Trumpeteers: What do you think of Trump's buddy Erdogan sending out his goons - whoops! I mean, 'security detail' - to beat the hell out of peaceful protestors? Is this somehow NOT a gross insult to the United States of America and its democratic traditions, or can we look forward to a blustering, blithering tweet from the Twit-in-Chief expressing his disapproval?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 May 17 - 06:21 PM

Trump is Ake's kind of "conservative" - short-sighted, self-centered, and unprincipled. Never let the law or truth get in the way of what you want to do. Back in the old days this would have been considered corrupt or even criminal.

You keep putting those quotes around liberal - clearly you don't understand what it really means or how lucky you are that for much your lifetime it was the liberal world view that made things easier and gave you services like good health care. The conservatives are about ready to take it away, but you're fine with that, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 18 May 17 - 05:25 PM

Here's what we posted on May 10, 2017, eight days ago:

Here's a prediction:

Comey was very popular within the FBI in spite of his shortcomings so there are a lot of unhappy folks in the organization. Sometime soon a plain brown envelope will appear in the inbox of the Washington Post or the New York Times and the whole Russian thing will explode.

Can't wait!

Well, there was no plain brown envelope. It was a phone call instead. One day later a special counsel is appointed and "whole Russian thing will explode."

Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 May 17 - 03:50 PM

Trump is right, a disgraceful

Almost, Ake. Just redact "right, a" and you'll have the facts of the matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: meself
Date: 18 May 17 - 03:29 PM

I don't understand - everybody I've heard and read agrees that Mueller is a remarkably capable man of unquestionable integrity - so how is his appointment 'the end of democracy' and 'the swamp winning'? Do you two knowing something about Mueller that nobody else knows?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Iains
Date: 18 May 17 - 02:33 PM

It appears the swamp is winning. So much for democracy!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: akenaton
Date: 18 May 17 - 02:00 PM

The Establishment, The Media and The "liberals"......the most unholy trinity.
Trump is right, a disgraceful witch hunt, making a mockery of what is supposed to be the greatest democracy on earth.

As one mudcatter said at election time....."now we have to drive him of his head"........sad people.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 18 May 17 - 12:10 PM

Mueller and Trump may never meet.
There is nothing more profound than integrity, there is nothing more profound than no integrity. It may be like when matter and anti matter meet.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 May 17 - 09:06 AM

Now Twitler the two-year-old is whining about how unfairly he's being treated. Poor, poor, pitiful him.

He really is an international embarrassment.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 18 May 17 - 07:59 AM

...and was asked to stay by Obama. He's a man of unquestioned integrity, widely respected on both sides of the aisle who will almost certainly undertake a thorough and vigorous investigation so I guess the old game show host will have to fired him and maybe Rosenstein to boot.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 May 17 - 02:53 AM

Robert Mueller - nominated by Dubya. Just saying.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 May 17 - 12:55 AM

I'm very pleased with the selection of Robert Mueller as special counsel in the probe of the Russia conspiracy. I think he'll be able to make sense of it.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 May 17 - 09:42 AM

this is looking more like the tipping point

No matter if he's impeached.

The VeepBozo and the rest of the Trump crowd are just as bad as the Prevaricator In Chief.

A distinction without a difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 May 17 - 09:37 AM

reckons him to be acting like a 7 year-old:

Two year old. By seven they've pretty much given up throwing tantrums.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Donuel
Date: 17 May 17 - 07:01 AM

Funny stuff Red
But seriously the intel departments admit they have dumbed down briefings with less robust detailed reports for Trump. - They either do not trust him or do not find him capable of understanding or both.

Obstruction is becoming an adjective in describing Donald's behavior. It is all looking obstructive regarding Russia intel cover ups.

Trump brags he is above the law. That is his Narcissistic Achilles heel.

This is the end of the beginning for Trump. We are now in Chapter two- The Age of Subpoenas. Chapter three may involve the quid pro quo part of the Trump Russia oil deal to enrich himself in exchange for sanction manipulation. Republicans like big money deals but NOT NATIONAL SECURITY leaks&deals with Russia.

What is in play in part is the revenge of the CIA.

Fox News is still fighting against this whole story with all their usual tricks

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 17 May 17 - 03:44 AM

from another NYT article - reckons him to be acting like a 7 year-old:

We've got this perverse situation in which the vast analytic powers of the entire world are being spent trying to understand a guy whose thoughts are often just six fireflies beeping randomly in a jar.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 17 May 17 - 03:25 AM

from the link above

Trevor Noah made a similar quip about Mr. Trump.
    "So the good news is, Trump listens during intel briefings. And the bad news is, Trump listens during intel briefings."

Do you laugh or cry?

The pundits are saying this is looking more like the tipping point. Republicans are backpedaling.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 16 May 17 - 01:27 PM

The Embarrassment in Chief has ferreted out a traitorous leaker in the White House, himself:

N.Y. Times

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: Mr Red
Date: 15 May 17 - 05:27 AM

In an interview with Tom Paxton - he said:
if you're writing a song satirizing a president who is an egregious liar, you don't bring the same vocabulary that you use with the seven-year-old boy's song.................... If I'm satirizing the president, I'll use a different box of tools. Each song has its own perfection that you strive for.

Tom - get writin' - there's a story with a lot of mileage unfolding!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump fires FBI Director Comey 9 May 2017
From: gillymor
Date: 14 May 17 - 11:36 AM

I think the razor wire has already castrated a number of them, Don. Let's hope they pay at the polls, not all of them are gerrymandered into safe districts and they're catching hell at Town Halls.