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How to search for 78rpm recordings

Gabriel 10 May 17 - 10:51 AM
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Subject: How to search for 78rpm recordings
From: Gabriel
Date: 10 May 17 - 10:51 AM

My uncle (Matt Scally of Ballycastle, Co Antrim, Ireland) made some recordings of Irish songs many years ago. One of them, 'The Old Lammas Fair', was in a BBC LP vinyl record of songs of the British Isles and is easily found. He apparently made other recordings, including 'Eileen Og' and 'Come back Paddy Reilly to Ballyjamesduff' that came out on 78rpm records. I've used Discogs to find vinyl but I can't find ways of searching for 78s. Does anyone have any advice?


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Subject: RE: How to search for 78rpm recordings
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 10 May 17 - 11:15 AM

Have you tried http://www.78discography.com/ ?

ITMA?


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Subject: RE: How to search for 78rpm recordings
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 10 May 17 - 11:54 AM

Problem is, most discographies of Irish traditional music I am aware of, eg echoes of Erin project, are dealing with instrumental/dance music


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Subject: RE: How to search for 78rpm recordings
From: Gabriel
Date: 10 May 17 - 01:40 PM

Thanks for the advice Peter. Unfortunately, I couldn't turn up anything on either route. I hope to get some more suggestions. There must surely be someone who has an obsession with recordings of Irish songs on 78s.


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Subject: RE: How to search for 78rpm recordings
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 10 May 17 - 02:31 PM

It may be worth asking at ITMA, there's a lot of knowledge concentrated there and they are very helpful. They don't appear to have the recordings but they can point you towards other sources, discographies or other collections.


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Subject: RE: How to search for 78rpm recordings
From: Thompson
Date: 10 May 17 - 02:33 PM

This is it?

http://m.6868.me.uk/view_search.php?searchtype=catno&searchterm=REB%2041&version=albums&version2=

Record details

TitleA British sampler
ArtistUnknown
Cover conditionSlightly damaged
Record conditionDamaged
BBC records label codeA - see all label pictures.
Item deleted?Yes
Released1969
LabelBBC

Track details

A1LONDON, EAST ANGLIA AND THE MIDLANDS - Big Ben chiming the three-quarters
A2Blaze away (A.Holzmann) - Street barrel piano
A3Changing of the guard ceremony: Duke of York's March - Grenadier Buards band
A4Down at the old Bull and Bush - Bel Canto Four
A5Have you seen the Muffin Man ? - Radiophonic tape
A6Shoals of Herring (Ewan MacColl) - The Fo'c'sles
A7Sheringham Breakdown - Shrimp and Bob Davies (step dancers) with Percy Browne and Bob Thompson (accordions)
A8Behold, how good and joyful (Stanley Vann) - Choir of Peterborough Cathedral
A9The Lincolnshire Poacher - Bel Canto Four
A10The Stratford-upon-Avon Morris Men
A11Angels from the realms of glory - Choir of St. John's College, Cambridge
A12THE NORTH - On Llkla Moor 'baht 'at - Bel Conto Four
A13Poet and Peasant overturn (Suppe) - All-Star Brass Band, cond. Harry Mortimer
A14The Lass of Richmond Hill - Bel Canto Four
A15Blaydon Races - Northumbrian Serenaders
A16Northumbrian pipes: -Lawmshaw's Fancy- Colin and Nicol Caisley
A17Cushy Butterfield - Northumbrian Serendaers
A18Blow the wind southerly - Bel Canto Four
A19Bobby Shafto - Radiophonic tape
A20SCOTLAND - Train effect: The Coronation Scot
A21Scottish bagpipes: Scotland the brave - Seamus MacNeill
A22The Eriskay Love Lilt - Glasgow Orpheus Choir, cond. Sir Hugh Robertson
A23Gaelic song: Oran Sniomh - Glasgow Orpheus Choir
A24The Road to the Isles (from Songs of the Hebrides, arr. M. Kennedy-Fraser) - Scottish Junior Singers
A25Ye banks and braes - Kathleen MacDonald
A26Jig - Banchory Strathspey and Reel Society, cond. Sandy Milne
A27THE NORTH WEST - Pipe and tabor: Parson's Farewell - R. Kenworthy Schofield
A28John Peel (Arr. F. W. Wadeley) - St. Jame's Male Voice Quartet
A29I cried in my backyard yesterday - Willy Russell (Radio Merseyside)
A30She's a lassie from Lancashire - Bel Canto Four

B1NORTHERN IRELAND - An Irish golden wedding (Brian O'Neile) Teresa Duffy, acc. Kate O'Connor
B2Lilt: Paddy's return - Michael McCann
B3Hornpipe - Peter O'Leary (fiddle)
B4The Wild Rover (Percy Jones) - Patrick Phillips
B5The Mountains o'Mourne (Percy French) - Charles Kennedy, acc. Eric James
B6The Ould Lammas Fair - Matthew Scally
B7WALES - Mae hen wlad fy nhadau (Land of my Fathers) Bridgend Police Choir
B8Penillion singing: Nant y mynydd (Tune: The Ash Grove) - Anita Williams, acc. Susan Drake (harp)
B9Sospan Fach - Treorchy Male Voice Choir, cond. John Davies
B10Bugeilio'r Gwenith Gwyn (Watching the Wheat) - Susan Drake (harp)
B11Guide me, O Thou Great Jehovah (Tune: Cwm Rhondda) - Threorchy Male Voice Choir, cond. John Davies
B12THE WEST COUNTRY - May Morning Song (Padstow Hobby Horse May Day ceremony) - Sung by townspeople, with accordion
B13Trelawney - Fowey Male Voice Choir, cond. Roger Brady
B14The WIltshire Tempest - Moonrakers' Band, leader John Jenkins
B15O Waly Waly (The Water is Wide) - Marion Wellsted, acc. Danny Condon (guitar)
B16The Helston Furry Dance - St. Denis Silver Band
B17Sea shanty: Shenandoah - Stanley Riley
B18SOUTHERN ENGLAND AND LONDON - Blow away the morning dew - Radiophonic tape
B19Greensleeves (Arr. W. Chatterton Dix) - L.C.C. Children's Choir
B20Knees up Mother Brown - St. Thomas's Hospital Patients' Club
B21Maybe someday - Crown Folk (Dungeon Folk)
B22Simple Symphony (Benjamin Britten) Finale - Northern Junior Philharmonic Orchestra
B23Dance a Cachucha from The Gondoliers (Sullivan) - All-Star Brass Band, cond. Harry Mortimer
B24Ceremony of the Keys (Tower of London): Passing of Queen Elizabeth's Keys and Last Post

Length of media 0:00
Extra notes on cover

A BRITISH SAMPLER
A souvenir in sound of England Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland

This disc presents a musical tour of Britain, sampling some of the rich musical fare which the tourist may find as he travels around the four countries.

British music differs widely from one part of the land to another; it is as varied as the country's scenic beauties and as full of charm, interest and surprise. It expresses the different racial characters, the forms of society, the historical traditions, the ways of life of the peoples who make up the British race.

Recent years have seen a renascence in British music, which is now enjoyed throughout the World by people whose tastes range in the spectrum of musical appreciation from the Beatles to Benjamin Britten. This revival draws inspiration from the nation's rich store of folk song and traditional music. but it is based on no self-conscious resuscitation of a dying art, no artificial revival contrieved by anti-quarians and scholars. As the vigour and originality of compemporary popular music show, British music is a living reality.

All kinds of music are represented on this disc - from true folk song and traditional tunes centuries old to the latest creations from Merseyside and swinging London. many of the numbers have been specially recorded for a ''British Sampler'', others are from the BBC archives and from the BTA's sound library, and one or two have been created electronically by the BBC Radiophonic Workshop.


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Subject: RE: How to search for 78rpm recordings
From: Thompson
Date: 10 May 17 - 02:53 PM

And here's a page where you can hear the tunes online:

http://www.onetunes.ru/rid-fefeech/

It seems to have been issued as an LP in 1969, unless you particularly want the 78.


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Subject: RE: How to search for 78rpm recordings
From: GUEST
Date: 10 May 17 - 03:16 PM

very short scraps of each track as I recall


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Subject: RE: How to search for 78rpm recordings
From: GUEST
Date: 10 May 17 - 03:17 PM

The British Library Sound Archives has an online catalog, as does
the Library of Congress. A union catalog of Library and University
collections can be accessed at WORLDCAT.ORG.
And of course, the online sale and auction sites as well as
record collector lists such as 78-L, 78-c, and ARSC list.

Thomas.


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Subject: RE: How to search for 78rpm recordings
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 10 May 17 - 04:11 PM

Reading it again I think the op is asking particularly about how he might find

... 'Eileen Og' and 'Come back Paddy Reilly to Ballyjamesduff' that came out on 78rpm records.


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Subject: RE: How to search for 78rpm recordings
From: Thompson
Date: 10 May 17 - 04:39 PM

You're right. I'm an idiot. Sorry, Gabriel.

Have you tried dropping a line to these places in case Irish people might have brought their favourite tunes to America?

http://78rpmrecord.com/where2get.htm

The other possibility is to put up a want ad on adverts.ie and see if anyone had it in a back room…


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Subject: RE: How to search for 78rpm recordings
From: Leadfingers
Date: 10 May 17 - 07:07 PM

http://78records.cdbpdx.com/

Not sure what's in there


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Subject: RE: How to search for 78rpm recordings
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 11 May 17 - 01:28 AM

;-) I'm an idiot.
 ! No Thompson, handy to have that info up there. Thanks.


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clickies for some of the links above

http://www.itma.ie/catalogues 

http://www.78discography.com 

http://m.6868.me.uk/view_search.php?searchtype=catno&searchterm=REB%2041&version=albums&version2= 

http://www.onetunes.ru/rid-fefeech/ 

https://www.worldcat.org/advancedsearch 

http://78rpmrecord.com/where2get.htm 

http://78records.cdbpdx.com/ 


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Subject: RE: How to search for 78rpm recordings
From: Thompson
Date: 11 May 17 - 05:44 AM

I'd say Gabriel's best chance is to post a want ad on adverts.ie - and also to post on this thread on the allied boards.ie site - and if that comes to nothing, on the parent forum of the thread, the Antiques and Collectibles forum on boards.ie.

If that comes to nothing, he might "Talk to Joe" - email or phone in a request to Joe Duffy at his Liveline show on RTE Radio 1.


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Subject: RE: How to search for 78rpm recordings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 May 17 - 06:13 AM

A friend, Barry Taylor, has done a great deal of research on Irish 78s and was working in conjunction with an enthusiast in Dublin
Barry is swilling German beer in Bavaria at present (Chacun a son gout ), but if you have no luck, I'll be happy to ask his advice when he returns
He's back in a couple of weeks
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: How to search for 78rpm recordings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 May 17 - 06:19 AM

I've just checked the BBC annotated catalogue and can find no reference to a Matt Scully or the song, which suggests that it might have been recorded by Radio Eireann and given to the Beeb who didn't include it in their own collection.
Try RTE
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: How to search for 78rpm recordings
From: Thompson
Date: 11 May 17 - 07:12 AM

Also theIrish Traditional Music Archive, though a search on the site returned no results. Jim Carroll, there are some references to him by the more formal 'Matthew Scully'.


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Subject: RE: How to search for 78rpm recordings
From: Thompson
Date: 11 May 17 - 07:13 AM

Sorry, meant Scally, which is what I searched for.


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