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ORIGINS : Not For Joe

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Subject: ORIGINS : Not For Joe
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 17 May 17 - 09:31 AM

"Not for Joseph" was a music hall song written by Scottish music hall performer Arthur Lloyd . It was very popular in the second half of the 19th century and had the phrase "Not for Joe" as part of its chorus.
"Not for Joe" is now a well known border morris tune,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwH2w3w-c2s, and I wonder if it is derived from Arthur Lloyd's song ? There is a lot of information about Lloyd's song here ,
"http://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/NotForJoe.htm">http://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/NotForJoe.htm ,
and if you scroll towards the bottom of the page it prints Lloyd's musical score. Is this music related to the morris tune? ( I don't read music and cannot tell )


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Subject: RE: ORIGINS : Not For Joe
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 17 May 17 - 09:39 AM

Blue click links that work? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwH2w3w-c2s

http://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/NotForJoe.htm


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Subject: RE: ORIGINS : Not For Joe
From: Snuffy
Date: 17 May 17 - 11:14 AM

Neither the words nor the tune of Lloyd's song correspond to the Border Morris version. A common version of the morris words is:

1. We had a little n****r, and he grew no bigger
So we put him in the Wild West Show.
He fell though the window, and he broke his little finger
And he couldn't play his old banjo

Chorus:
Toora-loora-lye-doh
Toora-loora-lye-eye-doh
Toora-loora- lye-doh
Playing on the old banjo
Om si the gomsi, toora-lye-doh
Om si the gomsi, toora-lay
Om si the gomsi, toora-lye-doh
Playing on the old banjo

2. My uncle Billy had a ten foot willy
And he showed it to the girl next door.
She thought it was a snake, so she hit it with a rake
And now it's only five-foot-four.


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Subject: RE: ORIGINS : Not For Joe
From: Jack Campin
Date: 17 May 17 - 11:38 AM

That second verse is the only bit I've ever heard in the wild, as a kid in New Zealand.


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Subject: RE: ORIGINS : Not For Joe
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 May 17 - 02:45 AM

Dave Jones (Bromyard FF founder) found old Morris men and reported that some said they weren't Morris dancers they wus "Na' fer Joes". He wrote a book on what he found about Morris in the Herefordshire Worcestershire area.

Book still available the Roots of Welsh Border Morris.


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