Traditional Music and Western Identity

Subject: Traditional Music and Western Identity
From: GUEST,John. A. Macdonald
Date: 29 May 17 - 11:33 PM

Hello folks,

As many of you are aware, the idea of western culture is being slowly chiseled away.

I've been hearing the phrase "Britain is an immigrant nation" lately. This is one of the most silly things I have ever heard. The US and Canada, are immigrant nations. England was a state as long as states have been in existence (Treaty of Westphalia 1648)

Anyway, people are being told that their culture either does not exist or is worthless, which I do not accept.

Even in Canada, people are acting as if an established western (mix of british and us) culture wasnt already there.

Amid this extreme annoyance and cultural genocide, I believe traditional music is the only way to retain our culture and stem the tide of those who would seek to destroy it.

I am not alt right, I am actually a socialist. However, Western culture is being threatened and we need traditional music to fight back.

Subject: RE: Traditional Music and Western Identity
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 May 17 - 12:13 AM

British culture has always been quite diverse - Cornish, Welsh, Scottish, Geordie, and even some English. Adding other elements can make it even more diverse, and I think that's a good thing. After all, most of those other elements came from other parts of the British Empire.

I warn all of you right now that I will not tolerate racism in this thread. If it gets started, the thread gets deleted.

-Joe, Mudcat Music Editor (in California)-

Subject: RE: Traditional Music and Western Identity
From: GUEST,windrush
Date: 30 May 17 - 12:17 AM

Huddersfield's vociferous blue and white hordes were noisy throughout while those supporting the Royals appeared a little bit more subdued; it was a sign of things to come.

Subject: RE: Traditional Music and Western Identity
From: GUEST,John. A. Macdonald
Date: 30 May 17 - 01:55 AM

I hope that believing in one's own culture is not considered racism these days.


Is it racism to want one's own culture to survive?


I just want to clarify that I do not wish to impede on anyone and I feel like the racism accusation is implying things about me that are untrue.

"Cornish, Welsh, Scottish, Geordie, and even some English"

Are all western cultures with western ideals. I think that Western Countries should portray western ideals, no?

Subject: RE: Traditional Music and Western Identity
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 May 17 - 02:12 AM

Sorry, but I'm not going to allow this. It sounds all too much like the calls here in the U.S. for preservation of white culture and tradition. "Western" countries and ideals and languages are Spanish, Italian, Greek, Finnish, the various cultures in Britain, Bavarian, Prussian. They can be preserved by positive study of the individual cultures, not by protectionism over some imaginary "western" culture.
This Website is all about the study and preservation of such individual traditions. I don't trust your approach. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see this thread going where we want to go.
Thread closed, discussion over, not to be discussed in other threads. If you wish to discuss this further, contact me by email or personal message.
-Joe Offer, Mudcat Music Editor-
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Subject: MUDCAT ANTI BRITISH
From: GUEST,John A Macdonald
Date: 31 May 17 - 03:41 AM

This is going to be closed but I want to say my piece.



Joe Offer is a racist.

This man believes that to question a religious belief (in this case islam) is racism.

Well Joe, you big dumbass, Islam is not a race. It is a set of beliefs.

Joe Offer is making the assumption that I am speaking out against arabic people, even though they only comprise roughly 20% of islam.

Joe Offer, you are being ignorantly racist when you assume all muslims are arabic.

France, Spain, Poland, Britain, Ireland, Germany, are all Western cultures, of course I would agree. Western culture is a mindset that is found only in countries in the west or (in the case of Japan and Australia) are countries with the ideologies of freedom that do not reside in the west.

Shutting down a thread because Joe Offer is too stupid or senile to understand two things.
1) Islam is not a race, and neither is "Western Culture" Both of these are beliefs, not races and they happen to be directly at odds with eachother.
2) Shutting down discussions like this prove that you have no real facts or means of debating facts, so you hide behind censorship and fear.


People like Joe Offer are the reason why your daughters are being raped on the street in Europe. I'm just glad the US hasn't forgotten that it has a responsibility to its people.


I will be using our traditional music to speak out against your kind and preserve the culture that promotes freedom of speech, freedom of religion, equality for women and peace.

Have fun converting to Sharia Law.

Subject: RE: MUDCAT ANTI BRITISH
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 May 17 - 03:51 AM

Fess up! Its DonalD Trump, isn't it? I recognise that mixture of truculence and fluent bollocks....

Subject: RE: Traditional Music and Western Identity
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 May 17 - 04:02 AM

Gee, I guess I guessed right about this guy yesterday, huh?
I didn't say anything at all about Islam or religion, but I expected it was coming next. It came today.
And yes, I know that there are non-Arab Muslims in Iran, Indonesia, Pakistan, India, the United States, the Philippines, and many other nations.

-Joe-