Bright Phoebus reissued/Radio Documentary

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus reissued
From: graham_t
Date: 30 Nov 18 - 11:52 AM

Yes, Celtic Records have successfully sued Domino.
Go to the Froots Facebook for the full press release (I don't know how to copy and paste)

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus reissued
From: GUEST,21st Century Primitive
Date: 30 Nov 18 - 10:45 AM

Just heard from a reliable source that Domino Records have been issued with a cease and desist order to stop them selling any further copies of the reissue - despite it being fully supported by Lal and Mike Waterson’s family. Wonder who might be behind this? As if we need to ask.

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus reissued
From: FScott
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 03:25 PM

Does anyone know what the situation is regarding all the rest of the material that Dave Bulmer had acquired the rights to?
Did Domino acquire the rights (and original tapes) from the Bulmer estate?
There was so much wonderful music issued on Leader and Trailer and I'm sure there would be sufficient interest for a reissue program to be financially viable. With all the interest in Nic Jones I would think a box set of all his Trailer recordings - including possible unissued material would do well.
I remember years ago when I used to deal with Mr. Bulmer (a story in itself)he told me that he had lots of live recordings of folk artists - that could be very interesting if it were possible to get access to this material.
He also had rights to the Rubber and Black Crow labels which also housed some very fine music as did his own Celtic Music label.
Does anyone know who runs the Bulmer estate? His wife, his former partner?
From a purely selfish point of view I would hate to shuffle off this mortal coil without having the chance to hear some unissued Dick Gaughan, Nic Jones, etc. but that may very well be the case. At least I have most of the Leader/ Trailer LPs that I want but would prefer well documented, beautifully remastered CDs.

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus reissued
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 25 Sep 17 - 09:27 AM

The link is to a radio programme and not the actual album.

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus reissued
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 24 Sep 17 - 02:19 PM

Lost_Albums_-_Bright_Phoebus

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus reissued
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 21 Sep 17 - 06:54 AM

Amazon appears to have run out already.
RtS

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus reissued
From: GUEST,Rod
Date: 21 Sep 17 - 01:23 AM

I just received the deluxe version a couple of days ago, ordered direct from Domino records in the US. The sound is immaculate.

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus reissued
From: GUEST,Frank Scott
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 03:59 PM

The U.S. release is a single CD and the Deluxe edition is only available as an English import. Right now all the sources I've checked are out of stock of the Deluxe version which indicates that they probably underestimated the demand and have sold out.

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus reissued
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 11 Aug 17 - 02:37 PM

I e-mailed DOMINO, their reply:

There are 2 editions of the record. One is the deluxe which has 2 CDs and one is the normal which is 1 CD.

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus reissued
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 10 Aug 17 - 06:17 PM

anyone know if US is 2 or 1 CD ????
Thomas.

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus reissued
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 15 Jul 17 - 03:00 PM

looking at Amazon UK and US -
The US site says 1 CD. Is that an error, or is the double CD
only offered from the UK ??
Thanks.
Thomas.

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus reissued
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 15 Jul 17 - 01:54 PM

Who said anything about selling a rare unplayed vinyl. I didn't. Mine is not for sale. But if folks want to borrow it freely for remastering then I have no probs. Same goes for all of my Leader vinyls.

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus reissued
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Jul 17 - 10:03 AM

Ok.. disregarding the hyped up speculative profiteering of vintage LP collecting for investment...

A mint 1st generation pressing of an LP is invaluable for archival and re-release purposes
if the original master tapes are lost, destroyed, or damaged beyond listenable repair.

Also, vintage tapes that have had a fair working life over 30 to 60 years
may well have become dulled in higher frequencies, losing Hi Fi audio detail,
which may still be apparent and salvagable on an unplayed 1st generation LP pressing.

But there are no guarantees that an immaculate mint looking LP is actually a good quality pressing.
It might well be from near the end of a run when the metal stamping plates were getting worn out.
Or pressed in lower grade noisier vinyl....

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus reissued
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 17 - 06:53 AM

why does an unplayed LP become more valuable when a CD of it is released- I have had a bootleg CD for years but don't see the logic?

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus reissued
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 05:26 PM

I have an unplayed vinyl original. Must look it out.

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus reissued
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 08:04 AM

Here's a test for good quality headphones....

I was suckered into buying the Bulmer CD off Amazon several years ago; it wasn't a CDR, but a real factory pressed silver disc.

On the most beautiful lines of Lal's singing there is obvious distracting distortion,
like a bad poorly recorded needle drop..
Perhaps worn vinyl, or inept amateurish observance of recording peak levels....???

I've ordered this new 'official' release and have even better headphones nowadays..

So let's see.... fingers crossed...

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus reissued
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 17 - 07:26 AM

According to Mike Waterson in the BBC radio doc, Bulmer didn't have the tapes. He wouldn't say who did but gave the impression he knew and wouldn't say.

Just received my copy today 😀

Subject: RE: Today, Bright Phoebus...
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 10:10 AM

...and also how many first or second generation 'safety copies' may have existed under beds in various locations..????

Subject: RE: Today, Bright Phoebus...
From: GUEST,Rigby
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 08:49 AM

Tape is quite a resilient medium, for the most part. There's no reason why tapes recorded 40 or 50 years ago shouldn't be perfectly playable as long as they haven't got wet or otherwise been mistreated.

Subject: RE: Today, Bright Phoebus...
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 09:45 AM

At present Amazon are preordering, stating release date for the deluxe double CD is 16 July...???

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus to be reissued
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 06:19 AM

Quote: "Domino are pleased to reissue Bright Phoebus – Songs By Lal And Mike Waterson on 4th August, this will be the first time since its release the album will be widely available. Additionally under the supervision of David Suff (Topic/Fledging) and Marry Waterson (daughter of Lal), the album has been remastered from the original tapes."

Hmm - maybe the tapes held by the Bulmer family are still OK?

Subject: RE: Bright Phoebus to be reissued
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 06:09 AM

Here's the press release:

http://secure.dominorecordco.com/uk/news/31-05-17/bright-phoebus-euro--songs-by-lal-and-mike-waterson-remastered-and-reissued-by-domino/

Subject: Bright Phoebus to be reissued
From: GUEST,Rigby
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 04:11 AM

Apparently Domino Records are to re-release Mike and Lal Waterson's Bright Phoebus album, along with some previously unreleased demos.

Interesting, and very welcome. I wonder if this means that other albums from the Leader/Trailer stable will finally become available again?

Subject: RE: Today, Bright Phoebus...
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 01 Jun 17 - 04:10 AM

Thanks for that, CJB. Very interesting

Subject: RE: Today, Bright Phoebus...
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 31 May 17 - 04:43 PM

The Beeb did a tribute programme about the album.

Bright Phoebus

CJB

Subject: RE: Today, Bright Phoebus...
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 31 May 17 - 04:22 PM

Can someone with more knowledge than me, explain the release history of the album?

According to this Guardian article only 2000 copies were pressed with half having off centre holes (presumably what nickp refers to).

However, as this page mentions, there was a second pressing sometime. Indeed I have a copy of the later Trailer Highway version that I bought in the late '90s.

I can't remember how much I paid for it, but it was whatever the going rate for new LPs was then, no more than that. I bought it from Decoy Records in Manchester, a now defunct specialist Jazz, Folk, Blues place with very knowledgeable staff, so if ALL vinyl versions were incredibly valuable, I'm sure they'd have noticed.

Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks,

Ed

Subject: RE: Today, Bright Phoebus...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 May 17 - 10:39 AM

Penguin Eggs has always been available. It was the albums released before that one that are "missing."

Subject: RE: Today, Bright Phoebus...
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 31 May 17 - 10:14 AM

Penguin Eggs is available from Nic Jones' website:

https://www.nicjones.net/home

Subject: RE: Today, Bright Phoebus...
From: GUEST,nickp
Date: 31 May 17 - 08:40 AM

Hardly ever played my old LP copy because the hole was slightly offset. A bit of wow (or flutter?) made it had work to listen to. I shall re-invest.

Subject: RE: Today, Bright Phoebus...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 May 17 - 07:57 AM

God knows what state the original tapes are in. You may be valuable!

Subject: RE: Today, Bright Phoebus...
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 31 May 17 - 07:53 AM

I have pristine vinyls - incl. Leader's.

Subject: RE: Today, Bright Phoebus...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 May 17 - 07:48 AM

Does it mean that the Nic Jones albums and the countless other gems sat on by Bulmer are going to see the light of day at last?

As I've said before, anyone who has pristine vinyl of any of them should guard them with their lives!

Subject: Today, Bright Phoebus...
From: GUEST,CJ
Date: 31 May 17 - 06:41 AM

Bright Phoebus

Reissued at last.