BS: Apologies to my British friends

Subject: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: olddude
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 02:39 PM

The idiot trump does not speak for most of our people.. What he said about the mayor of London is appalling.. I am so sorry you people had to hear that idiot say those things..

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Senoufou
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 03:01 PM

Dear friend, I'm sure none of us Brits are daft enough to think all Americans feel the same way as Mr Trump. It's so sweet of you to be concerned, but have no fear.
Kindest regards from
Eliza

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 03:53 PM

I know where you're coming from, Dan, but I think the people who were dumb enough to vote for him should do the apologizing. The old fool has resurrected the image of the Ugly American in spades.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 04:05 PM

Rebecca Solnit has a pretty good handle on what makes Trump tick.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 04:10 PM

Trump has probably lost the Tories a couple of seats in the election with that intervention. Bring it on, Donny boy.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 04:21 PM

Does Trump have supporters in the UK? What percentage of the UK electorate see any value in him?

I found what he tweeted about the London mayor, to be truly frightening.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 04:49 PM

Trump = Brexit. Yes he does have supporters here.

A lot less than a few months ago, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 05:00 PM

Apologies would be more appropriate and warranted for the crass stupidity of prat in whatever US Intelligence Agency it was that leaked Abedi's name and the Manchester Arena forensic crime scene photographs to the imbeciles at the New York Times who published them. Now that little group olddude really did do some damage that helped those who carried out that attack - with Trump and Sadiq Khan it is just empty meaningless hot air that will be forgotten in a fortnight.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 05:12 PM

Yes, he does have British supporters, Joe. Including right here on Mudcat sadly.

No need apologise, Dan. All right minded people know just what he is.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 05:55 PM

Yes, he does have British supporters, Joe.

And obviously British acolytes if T-Bird is representative----- which
I very much fear that he is.

Just goes to show that stupidity knows no nationality.

Before getting unduly exercised, tho, its worthwhile recalling that "you can't cure stupid".

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 06:59 PM

An acolyte Greg F, - how the fuck is that assumption of yours arrived at? Or in your world does absolutely everybody have to be in lock-step with you and slavishly agree with and fawn over every idiotic thing you come out with?

What I drew attention to was the immeasurable harm that was done to the investigation into what happened in Manchester. Evidence taken at the scene indicate that the construction of the bomb was quite sophisticated and that it bore a marked similarity to the bombs detonated in Paris in 2015. Of absolutely no importance to you of course Greg - you'd rather waste your time ineffectively having a pop at Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 07:53 PM

So T-bird: do please then give us your in depth analysis of Trump, his policies, his idiocies and his hangers on - like yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 08:35 PM

Greg I have an idea. I wrote an in depth analysis of Trump in a fictionalized piece called the Devil and Mister Trump. No one reads 29 pages. zzz
Instead the best analysis is to let everyone

BE TRUMP FOR A WEEK.

Let it be fiction or fact, satire or sarcasm, spun gold from dung or the best impression people can muster.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 08:52 PM

What was illuminating was a recent repeat of BBC News Hard Talk 30 mins interview with Trump from 2 decades ago...


Still on iplayer...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08nf3nt

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Jun 17 - 10:55 PM

For this ass, I'd apologize to my British *enemies* if I had any.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: meself
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 12:22 AM

Acme: good essay - thanks!

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 02:53 AM

As far as I am aware Greg F. To date I have not made any comment at all that would indicate that I am a fan, or admirer, or "acolyte" even of your current President. I have however made comments about behaviour that disrespects the office of the President of the United States of America. Please do not make the mistake of confusing those for statements of approval of the man.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 09:19 AM

disrespects the office of the President

Bad news for ya, T - the office doesn't give a shit if it's disrespected or not.

Nor should anyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Iains
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 09:27 AM

Tell me Greg F? Does that asinine comment of yours apply by extension to the US constitution and armed services and all government bodies?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 09:54 AM

Tell me, Iains, does your respect for offices extend to that of the "Commander of the Believers" or that of il Duce or possibly "The Imperial Wizard" or "Chairman of The Workers Party of Korea"?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Stu
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 10:53 AM

"I have however made comments about behaviour that disrespects the office of the President of the United States of America."

Like the present incumbent? Anyway, no matter who you are in the world respect has to be earned.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 12:32 PM

"no matter who you are in the world respect has to be earned."

I'm prepared to hire out my respect... or consider selling it in blocks of 12 months for the exclusive use of one individual...

Rates negotiable.. I'd like enough for a Gibson Les Paul Traditional for my 60th birthday in 18 months....



Anyone with low self esteem, insecurity issues, and no mates can apply...


cheers.... 😜

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 12:54 PM

Gee whiz, now even Theresa May thinks Trump is a prat! What does that tell you?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 01:28 PM

Commiseratiins to my American friends.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jun 17 - 01:29 PM

Apologies for trumpish spelling there.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 02:38 AM

He just lives up to our low expectaions!!

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 04:22 AM

Stu - 06 Jun 17 - 10:53 AM

"no matter who you are in the world respect has to be earned."

Rather a naïve and simplistic statement Stu - love to hear how this system of "respect" works. Do you really only respect people that you "know" and who have personally "earned your respect"? Or do you take the word/opinion of a third party who has previously earned your "respect" to respect someone you do not know?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 04:37 AM

He just lives up to our low expectaions!!

that high?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 05:46 AM

apparently he's renewed his attack on Sadiq Khan.

i've heard that that is his style. when he feels attacked he comes out with guns blazing.

hard to see how its going to work. SK seems an inoffensive little man.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Stu
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 05:57 AM

"Do you really only respect people that you "know" and who have personally "earned your respect"? Or do you take the word/opinion of a third party who has previously earned your "respect" to respect someone you do not know?"

No, I make my own mind up based on a persons actions and attitudes. I'd never defer to someone simply because it's 'expected' or they hold a title, have money or have achieved high station. That means nothing, and I don't place store in that sort of thing. It's what a person is like that matters, that's what earns respect.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 07:00 AM

i'm just going to concentrate on my ukulele playing.
Trump is too weird to figure out.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 08:14 AM

If only "wierd"was the worst thing he was.....

Now his crooked son Eric is joining the chorus of whining about how everyone's picking on poor daddy- what a family ofthree-year olds.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 08:19 AM

So does that mean Stu that your default position is that no-one is worthy of your "respect" until you they have satisfied your criteria? Therefore it is reasonable to assume that you consider your attitude, point of view and judgement on all things superior to anyone else's. And no it is not "what a person is like that matters" - that is not what you are saying - the rule you seem to running on is that you think that it is whether the person thinks and acts in a manner that suits YOUR rules is what matters - to you.

A more reasonable position to take would be that all are to be considered worthy of "respect" until they prove otherwise - that covers respect on a personal level. When it comes to interface with certain professions respect should be shown to people due to their position, qualifications and experience, that should be done out of common courtesy and good manners. Or are you the type who if in Court would address the Judge as "Mate" just to make the point of not showing due deference? Someone did that the other day and found out to his cost that it certainly did not pay, he, and you, might think that you are making a point when in fact all you are doing is showing your immaturity by being pig ignorant and boorishly arrogant.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 08:26 AM

"Respectv" seems to have two senses. Every one is entitled to our respect, as being a person, but that doesn't mean that some also deserve our contempt on account of the way that person behaves. And every day Trump reminds us of that.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Stu
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 08:30 AM

"Therefore it is reasonable to assume that you consider your attitude, point of view and judgement on all things superior to anyone else's."

No it's not, and to be honest you're not in a position to judge. I do however fully accept I am full of shit and a person of limited intellect and no talent for anything much and am certainly superior to no-one.

I'm not getting into arguing semantics with you T, this is thread drift again.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 08:40 AM

oh bloody hell! what does it matter. generally the president of the usa is a post deemed worthy of respect. like the queen of england. like the bloke next door, til his dog shits on your lawn.

perhaps Stu doesn't respect anyone - how can we know. we've never met him.

according to Jim Carroll, we brits should spend our lives in penitence for the foul deeds committed by our various governments over the last 800 years or so.

so old dude i would resist the temptation to apologise, you probably haven't atoned yet for Wounded Knee.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 08:41 AM

mind you though.. it is an interesting thread drift...


For instance i can highly respect specific aspects of an individual I otherwise despise and hold in contempt..

eg... Teribus and Trump...

I certainly believe in the gentlemanly / military concept of respecting, even admiring, one's enemies...

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 08:53 AM

Well, then, allow me to RESPECTFULLY state that Trump is an ignorant, juvenile, narcissistic, bigotted, dangerous asshole.

There. That better?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 09:19 AM

I can't help smirking when I here some smug twat start off with..

"Now with all due respect..."

I get a similar laugh out of "Well, I respect your right to an opinion.... but...."

oh... and that loathesome smarmy put down... "ok.. so.. Let's agree to differ...." 😜

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 09:21 AM

With all due respect PFR we will have to agree to differ on that...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Stu
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 09:37 AM

"perhaps Stu doesn't respect anyone - how can we know. we've never met him."

Not true!

I have huge amounts of respect for lots of people, including many on this forum (including Teribus, when he's not being insulting). I just don't respect people simply because they have a title, they have to be decent people. It's not the office of POTUS that demands respect, it's the POTUS themselves. So given the way Trump conducts himself, his attitude and his actions I have zero respect for him, not a jot. Now the Obamas, despite being flawed (cos they're human) I have a huge amount of respect for, both as POTUS and first lady and as human beings.

I really don't see the issue with this. If you meet someone you don't know you treat them with respect and accept them with an open mind of course, but if after a while they turn out to be a bit of a knob, do they deserve your respect regardless?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 10:07 AM

here hear to all that...


[respect due to anyone who's refrained from being smug and pulling me up on mispelling 'hear' in my previous post...]


..now as to 'self respect'... that's an interesting one to consider...???

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 11:13 AM

By the bye in relation to this particular discussion - no-one by their conduct and attitude disrespects the office of the President of the United States of America more than the current incumbent.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: leeneia
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 12:04 PM

Well, olddude, you are asking Trump to be different from most other guys of his type. Trump made a fool of himself because he skimmed a statement by the mayor and gave a knee-jerk response to what he thought it said. And he was wrong about what it said.

Right now, I have a thread going called "tune names - may I vent?". And I would estimate that 4/5's of the responses are by men who did the same thing Trump did - skimmed it looking for sarcastic things to say to me. They don't even realize what the thread is about. It's not about dancing, and it's not about playing music, it's about doing the office work that goes on behind the scenes.

As President, Trump is supposed to have advisors, etc, to keep him from making an ass of himself. Man, how I wish he did.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 03:07 PM

yes the mayor was just saying - don't be alarmed at the sight of police with guns on the street. its not something we're very used to - although its a more common sight than it ever used to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 03:23 PM

...and only short while later, May declares her willingness to trample over human rights legislation
to catch n kill, then deport the bad guys...

Whoulda thought Trump was aheasd of the game and expressing such noble concern for civil liberties versus a police state...??? 🤔 😕

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 03:37 PM

til his dog shits on your lawn

Precisely. Except in this case it's not the dog, but the man.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 05:33 PM

Leenia, AFAIK the lawyers who have refused (as one) to represent Drumpf have done so because (a) he does not listen and (b) then he stiffs you on the bill. So it is entirely possible that his advisers gave good advice (unlikely, since mostly he has handpicked arseholes as advisers) but the Drumpf chose not to listen.

OTOH, I ahve not (at least until now) had much respect for Khan as a politician, who I thought of as a conniving backstabber. But his work as a civil liberties lawyer (in the wonderfully named Christian Khan) commands nothing but respect. Even if he was a Bliarite he seems to be learning. Or maybe he is just being the Vicar of Bray.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Mr Red
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 05:12 AM

<THREAD DRIFT=OFF>

Apologies most gratefully accepted, and just to re-iterate, not needed.
Apologies for our "trumped-up DiscJockey," Niggle Farrage!

<THREAD DRIFT=ON>

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 08:32 AM

From: McGrath of Harlow - PM
Date: 07 Jun 17 - 08:26 AM

"Respect" seems to have two senses. Every one is entitled to our respect, as being a person, but that doesn't mean that some also deserve our contempt on account of the way that person behaves. And every day Trump reminds us of that.

I wouldn't agree that everyone is entitled to our respect. I would, however, agree that everybody should be treated with respect but that is not the same thing.

Cheers
Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 05:22 PM

Apparently, judging from his twatstorm of bullshit today, Don Jr,. is at least as big an asshole as his old man.

Genetics will out.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 06:04 AM

One bit of good news US friends. We seem to have started to reverse the trend at least here in the UK. The swing to the left and to Corbyn's open and honest style of politics yesterday was magnificent. Not long to go and you can go for a Saunders equivalent :-)

As long as Twitler does not blow the world up first :-(

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 07:07 AM

does anyone know why Trump keeps twittering - or whatever it is. it seems very undignified for the President of the USA to be buggering about with social media - like some twit on the Jeremy Kyle Show.

does anyone else think that, or is it me who's old fashioned and gone old and daft?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Stu
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 07:11 AM

"We seem to have started to reverse the trend at least here in the UK."

But wait... what's that on the horizon? It's the DUP!

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 07:30 AM

Good point, Stu, but here's a thought. The Tories and their media mouthpieces (or is it the other way round?) have spent weeks smearing Corbyn as a terrorist sympathiser and they now want to get into bed with the DUP. What's the betting that if JC starts negotiating to bring Sinn Fein into the fold he will berated by the same people.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Stu
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 07:43 AM

Sinn Fein are right out of the picture and would never attend Westminster so they're not part of the equation. Also, it would be electoral suicide for the Labour party to involve them and they would never let that happen, and I doubt Corbyn et al would be interested anyway. There's nothing to indicate they would.

The DUP are truly the far right lunatic fringe, horrible people. They are bigots, climate change deniers, creationists, homophobes and gawd only knows what else. They aren't fit to be in government but if May's standards are so low as to go into coalition with them, then that's that. It'll still be a rough ride, but with the backing of the DUP then she might make a go of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 09:20 AM

does anyone know why Trump keeps twittering<.I>

Easy peasy. Because he's a narcissistic, self-obsessed asshole with the mental age of a five-year-old.

Next question.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: olddude
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 12:18 AM

Greg nailed it for sure

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 02:42 AM

"Sinn Fein are right out of the picture and would never attend Westminster"
A moot point in the circumstances.
Sinn Fein has climbed the ladder of respectability in Ireland and is now the third most powerful party, way above Labour after the number of own-goals they have scored and are still scoring (the Labour leader, Joan Burton is now heavily involved in trying to put water protesters behind bars)
People seem to be coming to terms with the fact that 'The Troubles' was a dirty war from which no sides emerged with clean hands.
Corbyn was doing or saying nothing that was not being said and done behind closed doors in Westminster and Whitehall - these things tend to generate severe bouts of selective memory.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 10:54 AM

Does one of you want to take a little time and offer up an explanation of the DUP? The UK does seem to have some particularly toxic small political groups. So far (via the old mudcat troll and his trick of taking on hot-button personae to torment the membership) we've been exposed to the BNP, the EDL, and UKIP. Not identical to each other, apparently, but all pretty nasty as far as I can tell. Tell us how DUP fits into all of this unpleasantness?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 11:41 AM

President Donal John apparently uses twitter, to ensure that his views are not filtered by the fake news organisations (CNN et al)

DUP are a conservative Party who do not support Homosexual "marriage" or "Abortion on demand" In Northern Ireland, homosexual marriage is still illegal.   I suppose you would say they were toxic, but not quite as toxic as the DPC...eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 11:46 AM

D.U.P
Wiki's summation has it about right (in every sense!)
"The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) is a right-wing unionist political party and the largest party in Northern Ireland. It was founded by the Protestant fundamentalist leader Ian Paisley in 1971, at the height of the Troubles......
The DUP is socially conservative: it is anti-abortion, opposes same-sex marriage, and formerly campaigned against the legalisation of homosexual acts in Northern Ireland. Some party members have been noted as climate change deniers and creationists. The party sees itself as defending Britishness and Ulster Protestant culture against Irish nationalism.
It is also Eurosceptic and backs the UK's withdrawal from the European Union. The party has been delineated as populist. It has been described by The Independent as "a party backed by terrorists" and by The New York Times as "a hard-line reactionary party." Irish Central has described the DUP as "extremist.".....
The DUP evolved from the Protestant Unionist Party and has historically strong links to the Protestant Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster, the church Paisley founded. For most of its history, the DUP was the smaller of the two large unionist parties, the larger being the Ulster Unionist Party (UUP). The DUP has also traditionally been seen as the more hardline or loyalist of the two. During the Troubles, the DUP opposed attempts to resolve the conflict that would involve sharing power with Irish nationalists/republicans, and rejected attempts to involve the Republic of Ireland in Northern Ireland affairs. It campaigned against the Sunningdale Agreement of 1974, the Anglo-Irish Agreement of 1985, and the Good Friday Agreement of 1998. In the 1980s, the party was involved in attempts to create a paramilitary movement, which culminated in Ulster Resistance....
As the largest party in Northern Ireland, the DUP holds ten seats at Westminster and 28 seats in the Northern Ireland Assembly"
Not so strange bedfellows for the British Government
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 11:56 AM

""a party backed by terrorists" ...could you explain that remark please, I always thought the DUP were opposed to all terrorism, not just Irish National terrorism?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 11:58 AM

and before you start bleating, if Scottish Nats started slaughtering innocent people in England, would you describe them as freedom fighters?

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 12:19 PM

"could you explain that remark please,"
It's all in the definition Ake - I have nothing to explain
" if Scottish Nats started slaughtering innocent people in England, would you describe them as freedom fighters?"
No more than I would describe Isis as such - but until they do your question is meaningless nonsense.
The extreme Protestant right have been persecuting their Catholic opponents since the border was imposed in 1922 - that persecution, backed by British and establishment collusion culminated in 'The Troubles
The Unionists introduced the gun into 20th century Irish politics prior to the War of independence a and were first to begin the bombing campaign in the late 1960s, making 'The Troubles' an act of self-defence
It's all in some book or other
"The Tories are forming a coalition with a party backed by terrorists"
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/dup-conservatives-northern-ireland-coalition-ulster-defence-association-paramilitaries-peace-process-a7782631.html
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 12:27 PM

The Unionists instigated the bombing campaign in the sixties?

I remember nothing of that, would you care to elucidate as I can make no sense of your last post.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 12:34 PM

Comparing Trump to a toxic group, even using that cloying nickname you've crafted just for the liar - how appropriate. No idea what the DPC is.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 12:36 PM

an explanation of the DUP

Google "Ian Paisley". That's all you need top know about these right-wing assholes.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 01:28 PM

Actually there is at least one more thing of great importance. The violence of decades (or more depending where you measure from) was brought to a near cessation through the Good Friday Agreement that led to power sharing through the Stormont government. That has the various parties working together and in opposition, and it is largely the DUP and Sinn Fein..

At the moment it is suspended because of one of the occasional disputes and the U.K. Government has the job of settling the dispute so everyone agrees the thing can resume.

So the government, propped up by the DUP, is supposed to settle a dispute between the DUP and Sinn Fein.

Anyone with the slightest knowledge of history can begin to understand how complex, subtle and fragile the relations are. You venture to intervene politically only with the greatest care.

Unless you wade in with no pause for thought after an election and only thinking of your own interests.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 01:45 PM

"The Unionists instigated the bombing campaign in the sixties?"
Yes
The first bombing in that period was carried out by the U.V.F. led by Gusty Spence at McGurk's pub on May 16 1966
The 'Troubles' where kicked off proper three years later in 1969 when the police directed peaceful Civil rights protesters through mobs of stone throwing Loyalists
Thought everybody knew that.
Perhaps if you cared to read these things up for yourself you wouldn't find what I write "unintelligible"
God knows, there are enough sources
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 01:54 PM

To save time, earlier in the century the first arms to be introduced into Ireland were smuggled into Howth in July 1914 by Loyalists (nearly three years before Easter week)
Shortly afterwards the Bachelor's Walk Massacre took place in Dublin when British troops fired into a crowd and bayoneted protesters, four died and thirty eight were injured.
Easter Week was a latecomer
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 05:47 PM

I was not a fan of ian Paisley when he was shooting his mouth off. But I do remember seeing an interview with him, and finding that the fiery public figure was not all there was to him, and that he had catholic friends . And then there was that alliance , and he was serving alongside a former opponent very happily it seems

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 06:08 PM

That's all nice & touchy-feely, pete, but Paisley was a fanatical bigotted "Christian"[sic] arsehole who created misery for untold thousands, as do his successors in the DUP who carry on in the same tradition.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Jun 17 - 03:56 AM

Jim, I thought we were discussing the DUP, not a bunch of paramilitary thugs......You cannot just associate "Unionists" with terror in that way. The UVF were criminals who indulged in terror, as were the Nationalist groups who used the slaughter of innocent people as a weapon.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Jun 17 - 04:02 AM

As I have said on another thread, political change will come only through unity.
Paisley and McGuiness proved that, class war is an anachronism.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Stu
Date: 11 Jun 17 - 04:26 AM

"As I have said on another thread, political change will come only through unity."

And balance. Paisley/McGuiness world as they reached a kind of equilibrium and this proved good for the north (and all of us). The DUP/Tory axis of evil is distinctly unbalanced.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Jun 17 - 08:55 AM

well, i think the DUP and the tory party sounds like a match made in heaven. two lots of nasty buggers find each other.

this could be the start of something big.....

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 11 Jun 17 - 09:21 AM

Ake, the DUP are not the UUP. The DUP grew out of the Protestant Unionist Party, which in turn grew out of Ulster Protestant Action. And they were violent thugs. As Paisley and McGuinness morphed into men of peace, the brought along DUP and Sinn Fein with them, and both are now political parties operating through the ballot box. The UUP always was a political party, as was SDLP, sadly nether today have many MPs, if any.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jun 17 - 09:36 AM

"As I have said on another thread, political change will come only through unity."
And as I said on another thread - thay unity will never become possible while the gap between rich and poor continues to tear Britain into fragments
"Jim, I thought we were discussing the DUP, not a bunch of paramilitary thugs"
The DUP was swet up by an extreme bigot and has the support of paramiltary thugs
You have aleardy been given a link to the connection beween the Party and the paramilitaries
Yr's another
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/who-are-the-dup-10589910

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 11 Jun 17 - 11:00 AM

In response to Joe's query, yes Trump has his fans in the UK, but he is also widely loathed and even more widely ridiculed. A petition to withdraw the state-visit invite that his hand-holding pal Theresa extended to him, attracted 1,800,000 signatures.

The UK Government ignored that, but it seems that Trump himself has finally got the message and indications today are that the visit is off. This comes just a few days after he was threatening a flying visit to London on or around Election Day (just what UK's stretched security services would have needed) and only a day or so after provoking outrage with his brainless abuse of the mayor, Sadiq Khan.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jun 17 - 11:32 AM

It sounds like Trump is backing out, not happy that there would be protests while he is there.

And on a related note: Some opera (you'll understand even if you don't speak Italian).

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Jun 17 - 12:27 PM

Bravo, bravissimo!

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Stu
Date: 12 Jun 17 - 04:15 AM

That's the power of protest. Briliant.

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Jun 17 - 05:22 AM

Is the Twitler cancelled visit anything to do with the likelihood of the emergence of King Boris?

He is on record of saying Twitler is not welcome in London.

London mayors and Twitler have a theme running through them..........

Subject: RE: BS: Apologies to my British friends
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 12 Jun 17 - 05:28 AM

The funny thing is, Theresa May appears to still think the state visit is on. But then again, she thinks a few things which utterly defy reason.