BS: Senator McCain (thread closed)

Subject: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 05:14 PM

After his performance today, the only graceful thing for him to do - or for those that are caring for him to make sure he does- is to ride off gracefully into the sunset before he embarrasses himself, his constituency, and his country any further.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 05:38 PM

What'd he do?
What'd he do?

You wonks always expect us to read the same propaganda you read....

Do you speak English well enough to explain what you're talking about, or is the extent of your knowledge at its limit when you make a link?
And not even a link this time.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 06:01 PM

but what is this about watching a baseball game on television the night before?
And muttering about it in a Tweet no less.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 06:04 PM

Joe doesn't know how to use Google.
Here ya go, Joe:McCain's questions to Comey

All McCain wanted to talk about was the done & dusted Hillary email thing. He didn't seem to understand it was over last July, and still wants to go after her. It seemed like he was just looking for reasons to be adversarial, and it sounded desperate enough for me to think his marbles may be rolling down the street.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 06:11 PM

Propaganda, Joe?

Now the broadcast/televised verbatim proceedings of the inquiry are to you propaganda?

Anyone who has taken the time to be informed about the Comey hearings/testimony knows EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

If you can't be bothered to keep up with current events and/or to educate yourself about important issues it doesn't behoove you to piss on those who have taken the time and trouble to be better informed than yourself.

Give it a freakin rest, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 06:45 PM

An explanation or a link would have been nice, but I'm pretty used to having to figure out what the hell people are talking about without help.
Since I was at an appointment with the doctor who did my skin cancer surgery, I missed the live version.
So while Greg was vague, Joe was downright snotty, and I'm undoubtedly something.
McCain was simply desperate and sad, and I could see all the little animated "WTF"s dancing around his head as he tried to figure out what McCain was getting at. Judging by today, he ought to retire.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 06:58 PM

Hi, Jeri-

and I'm undoubtedly something.

You're undoubtedly pretty rational & even-handed. Thanks ;>)

I'd have thought anyone paying attention to what was going on wouldn't need a link - but I stand corrected & will so provide in future, just to be sure.

Best,

Greg.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 07:18 PM

There was also a verbal slip when he referred to Trump but said "Comey." Odd.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 07:39 PM

He did that twice. I'm afraid it's time for the old soldier to fade away. .

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 08:14 PM

He also called Flynn "Comey".

Reminds me of NRA schill Charlton Heston & taking his Davy Crockett rifle from his cold, dead brain.

But at least McCain may have a medical condition to explain his bizarre defense of President Lying Sack Of Shit.

The rest of the Republican establishment have no such excuse.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Elmore
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 08:18 PM

I felt embarrassed for McCain, and I'm no conservative. Later in the day he issued an explanation, which was clearer, but still irrelevant.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 08:36 PM

Well, gee,I had work to do and did not have time to watch the Comey testimony. I have listened to half an hour of NPR special coverage of the testimony, with no mention of McCain. And yesterday I was chided for not knowing what people thought of Theresa May. Nobody wants to actually give opinions or information. They just want to put down others for not knowing. That sucks.
And it's it what I consider to be intelligent discussion.
That sucks,too.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 08:52 PM

Joe, here's a concise explanation of what went on today with McCain from the New York Times.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: pdq
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 08:59 PM

Dear Joe:


I feel your pain.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 09:00 PM

NPR broadcast the public hearings live, bless'm, and I heard McCain take his turn with some incredulity. He seemed to barely be aware of who the current players were. Tonight I've heard him make the excuse that he was very tired. This is possible, but what's obvious is he needed an excuse to attempt to explain his lack of awareness and patently ridiculous attempt to paste Comey with bias by trying to politicize differences between the results of the Hilary Clinton email probe and the current Trump Campaign Russia probe.
Meanwhile FOX radio and their remaining talking necks, specifically Sean Hannity, are bathing in the waters of Alternate Reality.
McCain has in the past been sharp, humorous, partisan but with a heart. It is to be devoutly wished that he return to this posture.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 09:30 PM

They just want to put down others for not knowing. That sucks.

You know what really sucks, Joe, is YOU putting down others- as you did above- for being more aware of what is going on than you are. Snotty doesn't half cover it.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: bobad
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 10:22 PM

It's what happens when the inmates run the asylum.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 10:32 PM

Sounds like the attention will shift to the other side of the Atlantic by morning and this will be old news. But hopefully if the UK is coming to it's senses, the US won't be far behind.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 11:10 PM

Joe, it's not that you didn't know, it's that you jumped all over Greg because you didn't know.
I had an hour round trip to my dermatologist, and before that mowed the lawn, and went to the gym. Somehow, I still found the time to go to Google.news and type "McCain" in. I confess, I needed to lie down for a while after doing all that typing, but I still managed to figure it out.

Greg, stop saying nice things about me. People will talk. 😉

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jun 17 - 11:17 PM

What I see is a man who had a long standing habit of getting through a long hearing with a stiff drink. If he had started medication opioid or other for a backache, the reaction would have presented as we saw. He even asked for help at one point because of his confusion.

It does not look like cognitive disease to me. I "hope" not.

It seemed he was trying to be partisan but used such a poor example he could not extricate himself from the flawed premise. Perhaps he was given marching orders by the whip regarding his usual anti Trump rhetoric and the conflict resulted in his getting smashed instead.

The Russian connection here may have been Vodka.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: meself
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 12:01 AM

Good one!

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 01:58 AM

I'm not satisfied. I think that when a person starts a thread, he owes it to the rest of us to tell us what he's talking about. I listened to 1-1/2 hours of post-testimony coverage on NPR this evening, and not a word was said about McCain. Now, after listening to the link that Jeri provided, I know why.

I continue to believe that the person who starts a thread owes us all the favor of giving us a little background information so we know that he or she is talking about. Would it have been too much to expect the original poster to say that McCain seemed confused, or deceptive, or whatever?

I continue to believe that there's too much of this crap in the BS forum. It seems the Usual Suspects who have bullied their way into dominance over this forum, actually have very little to say and very little desire to say anything that might lead to actual discussion. They're too eager to get past that part so they can get onto their battle with the Usual Scapegoats again.

All I'm asking for, is that we make a practice of having actual human discussion in these threads - not links, not telling people to Google it, not castigating people for not already knowing, and not the usual bullying and name-calling. I want to see actual discussion.

But maybe the Usual Suspects aren't capable of actual discussion.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 02:01 AM

And that being said, I have to say that I was saddened by John McCain's performance during the hearing. He seemed very confused. He's one of the few Republicans who has shown the courage to stand up to Donald Trump. If he's lost his ability to ask sensible questions in a hearing, who's left to replace him?
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 06:59 AM

Joe to turn a public forum into an accurate historic chronicle would take a body of Senators only, then the amount of editing would be enormous.

What you would end up would be polished crap with an agenda highlighted by the editor. Its a big job but you could do it.

But seriously the potential of BS is much higher than its inherited reality. Ah the good old days...

Mc Cain has a hangover today. He'll be back feisty as ever.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 07:57 AM

"The Russian connection here may have been Vodka."

That's a good one, Don but I disagree with most of what you wrote. Do you have any evidence that the Senator has substance abuse problems? And besides that hearing wasn't all that long by Senate standards and he only had 5 minutes worth of work to do (he rambled on past his time limit ignoring the gavel and finally Burr had to cut in and stop him). He just sounded like a confused old man to me. As they say in the sports world Father Time is undefeated.

McCain, as a moderate, was one of the few Republican senators I had much respect for back in the days when he used to work across the aisle but in an effort to keep his seat he compromised his principles and made a hard swing right during the Great Tea Party sickness.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 08:17 AM

Abuse naw. Accidental at most. The capitol building is full of liquor.

There is a right wing book called 'shattered' which traces what McCain was trying to reflect but lost the book's absurd speculations regarding Hillary Russian connections.   John will snipe Trump again, don't worry. All in all this is not an Epic Fail by McCain.

This is his last term so he can go as rogue as he wants before his final goodbye.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 08:25 AM

The problem Joe, is that any time we try to have a serious discussion involving facts and controversial issues the moderators delete the posts or close the threads, yet allow the abusive people to fill the posts with junk.....so long as the abusers share the mods ideology.

There is extreme bias in the moderation here, I suggest one little conservative to ensure fair play....is that too much to ask?

I notice that you have been starting several threads lately with the potential to allow deep and honest discussion of issues which will be of great importance in the future. To discuss these issues, members would have to abandon their entrench social and political positions and examine the subject in an unbiased way.

That will never happen when moderation itself is biased.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 08:28 AM

I hope you're right, I'd hate to see McCain stumble through his final years like a demented old fool given all the sacrifices he made for this country.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 08:28 AM

...or he had a mild ischemic stroke.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 09:13 AM

There is extreme bias in the moderation here,

Sure thing, Ake, poor, poor, pitiful you - just like your hero Trump aren't ya?

No one's ever been treated as badly and unfairly as you! (sniffle, sniffle)

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 09:38 AM

Article in the LA Times
He said he stayed up late the night before watching baseball. (I'm not buying it.)

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 09:42 AM

Maybe the dog ate his homework, too.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 06:37 PM

"I think that when a person starts a thread, he owes it to the rest of us to tell us what he's talking about."


I agree... far too many threads are started with obscure remarks and insinuations that everyone should be aware of it.

(remembering a Brit thread from a few years ago called "He's gone!"..... turns out some football/soccer star had gone to another team.) Cute, but not helpful

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 07:01 PM

So should someone begin a thread "The Sun Rises In The East" it is incumbent upon that poster to provide links for those who not be aware that that is in fact the case.

Righto. Will try to do what I can to alleviate the confusion.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 09:18 PM

Like I said, Greg, I listened to coverage of the Comey hearings for an hour and a half, and heard no mention of McCain. All you needed to say, was that McCain seemed confused during the hearings. It's a little much to assume that everybody hears the same thing
you've heard.

Context is important. If you start a thread, it's helpful to give just a little context. I'm really not asking for very much

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Jun 17 - 09:59 PM

Oh, for...
If you guys could find something more petty to fight about, maybe you could fuck up some even more threads. One of the things about why Mudcat isn't worth it is that people get in really stupid fights that interrupt threads. Another is when people don't know what's going on, and instead of simply asking, they lash out at people. As in Joe, with his "you wonks". As in accusing somebody of slander. It may be this senility thing is just going around, and this anger is based on THAT, but it's still annoying as hell. Next time, just ask, OK? Don't come in swinging at whoever happens to be reading your shit.

Yeah, I know.
I'm out of this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 03:45 AM

I'm not just talking about myself here Greg, threads are routinely closed because of bias, especially political threads, but whole pages of stupid remarks, abusive language and name calling go unpunished by moderators when directed against conservatives and Christians.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 05:00 AM

Nope, Jeri. It's a simple, reasonable request. You used to dump on beardedbruce when he did the same thing. When people start threads that only the "in crowd" understand, the rest of us are excluded.

The BS section has become an exclusive club for bullies, and you protect them.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Jun 17 - 06:31 AM

As an interested Brit, may I opine?

Not about McCain - yes we can Goggle but I don't. I (Yapoo because I am an anarchist)

But I get e-mails on my chosen subject, folk events. The informants do the same, tell me there is an event and expect me to open an .emz file fer gawds sake. All it takes is short text and we have a handle, in my case "date, type and who".

Goggle is wide and very selective from your history of searches and delivers a different set of results for any one person. viz one free-wheeling person searching Egypt gets holidays another might get all political stories. Goggle is biased. To YOU!

It is all about communication, folks. Giz a clue.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jun 17 - 12:27 PM

There are many people even here who assume they should be the arbiter of our thoughts, actions, responses, even thread titles that are obscure enough to inspire curiosity. I am guilty of this to a degree when I criticize something.
It is impossible to agree on everything so it is a given disagreements abound.

In the wisdom of Sum Por Sol it is said "Can't we all get along"?

Hell no.

That's what diplomacy, manners, etiquette and a modicum of decency is for. With free speech everything is game, even decency. Brits know this better than Americans.
Or we can believe in the delusion a civil war will solve anything.


So long Sen. McCain is an entirely appropriate title. He is not running for re-election.

Samper Hyperbole Excelsior.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Janie
Date: 11 Jun 17 - 01:22 PM

Meanwhile, back to the topic of the OP.

I don't ever diagnosis some one I have not done a face-to-face evaluation of, but it does appear that McCain was confused and possibly exhibiting some cognitive impairment. I am not a McCain fan, but he is one of the few Senators still in office who does occasionally stand up for the country instead of his party - not nearly often enough, but more so than any of the younger Senators, whether from the GOP or the Democrats.

Unfortunately, in this instance, he not only appeared confused, but was also attempting to play politics rather than engaging in statesmanship.

Our federal government lacks any statesmen/women at all at present.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jun 17 - 05:27 PM

Janie... "Our federal government lacks any statesmen/women at all at present."

Warren? Sanders? Frankin?..... ? There are lots; just not enough informed voters.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jun 17 - 07:51 PM

Our very own Janie is far too ethical to diagnose by hearsay.

There is a rule by the APA American psychiatric association called the Goldwater rule to prevent making professional diagnosis of Presidential candidates. It goes back to Barry Goldwater.

However scores of psychiatrists have broken that rule and are on record with the NYT that Donald J Trump is
;^?

sic. looser with the truth than a goose, nuttier than squirrel poop, history adverse and fact perverse, an irrational international, is a Cosby apologist - out of envy, has a liquid gold fetish, Has a sense of grandeur that his breasts are bigger than his wife, is a maniac narcissistic Narcissus, has rats in the attic and bats in the Mara Lago belfry, a cheating cowardly bully, doesn't take 'know' for an answer but is a name caller extraordinaire (for a fifth grader)

To hold a serious job like a CEO that has a board, he would be immediately dismissed.
But the Presidency is apparently a different matter. It is said e doesn't know better. Forgive him Lord for he does not know what he does unless he personally profits.

Apologies to the real Psychiatric diagnosticians.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Jun 17 - 08:28 PM

Goldwater?

The contemporary "In Your Guts You Know He's Nuts" about said it all.

Trump is just an asshole.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Janie
Date: 11 Jun 17 - 09:20 PM

Gnu, I agree that all three are politicians with integrity, but I don't think of any of them as true statesmen (women.) Of course, none of them have had the opportunity.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Jun 17 - 05:15 AM

ah yes -
in your heart you know he's right ...... in your guts you know he's nuts

&

in your heart you know it's Bush ..... in your bush, you know it's Hart.

sometimes, slogans are for twisting.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jun 17 - 11:59 AM

That's Entertainment - or is it?

A clown with his pants falling down
Or the chief who tweets for relief
Or the show where the fired would go
That's entertainment!
The lights on the wife in tights
Or the bribe that the White House hides
Or the war that the Navy ignores
That's entertainment!
The plot can be hot, grabbing for sex
A President who is suing his ex
It could be Narcissus Rex
Trump picks a Nazi and envies Bill Cosby
The clerk who is thrown out of work
By the boss who is thrown for a loss
By the skirt who is doing him dirt
The world is a stage; the stage is a world of entertainment!
It might be a fight like you see on the screen
A wussy grabs pussy then insults the queen
Some great Shakespearean scene
Where everyone cries over incredible lies
Hip hip hooray! Its the American way
The world is a stage; the stage is a world of entertainment!

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Dec 17 - 07:08 PM

This month, Senator McCain is laying low,
while the other congressmen phone him and then
tell the news media that they phoned McCain just to make sure
that he's still holding his own.

Hopefully that means he learned something
about when to stand up to be counted
and when to hang in there treating the side effects of his treatment.

And I hope he is still alive next year maybe.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 14 Dec 17 - 08:45 PM

He remained hospitalized today, it was reported earlier.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: keberoxu
Date: 17 Dec 17 - 02:32 PM

Walter Reed hospital, that is.

Subject: RE: BS: So Long Senator McCain
From: keberoxu
Date: 17 Dec 17 - 02:41 PM

There are some enjoyable typos on one of the mass-media reports.
Let me see if I can link.

Kaplan Herald

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Dec 17 - 09:10 AM

I changed the thread name since it seems overly flippant considering the grim prognosis he faces.

Keberoxu, that site barely classifies as a blog. One wonders how you even found it.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: keberoxu
Date: 18 Dec 17 - 01:57 PM

Since one asks,

all I did was enter John McCain
at news dot google dot com,
and the Kaplan Herald
lined up to be counted
amongst the websites for
CNN, CBS, MSNBC, and all the others.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: keberoxu
Date: 18 Dec 17 - 07:30 PM

The Senator reached Arizona (home) on Sunday, it is reported today.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Dec 17 - 09:14 AM

Doctor: McCain's setback "normal" during brain cancer treatment.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Dec 17 - 10:31 AM

Since one asks,all I did was enter John McCain
at news dot google dot com,

https://www.commonsensemedia.org/blog/how-to-spot-fake-news-and-teach-kids-to-be-media-savvy

http://www.toledoblade.com/Editorials/2017/06/30/Training-citizens-to-recognize-fake-news.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/how-to-spot-fake-news/2016/11/18/60daed34-adb2-11e6-8f19-21a1c65d2043_video.html?utm_term=.afbe40bffe6d

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: keberoxu
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 01:05 PM

Meghan McCain, the Senator's daughter, has made comments to the press (CNN) in the absence of further statements from his office.

"He had pneumonia," she disclosed about his treatment at Walter Reed in Bethesda in December. At the time the reports spoke of a viral infection, suggesting a compromised immune system; but this is the first I remember hearing the word pneumonia.

It is probably well for him that he did not participate in that tax bill vote, if he was that ill at the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 02:46 AM

Help us Obi John McCain Kenobi, you're our only hope....

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 10:03 AM

Easy, Joe - lets not canonize Sen. McNasty simply because the man may now be the best of a bad lot. He's done some genuinely miserable things in his career. Sources on request.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 10:34 AM

He's done a few good things. He's done a lot of things I don't like. In a time of sycophant, suck-up Republicans, I think he, at least, has a moral compass.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 11:13 AM

I'm not arguing your point, Jeri. He has, at least, somewhat more of a moral compass (at times) the the current majority of his party.

And I certainly wouldn't wish his health problems on my worst enemy. well, maybe Prez. Shithole......

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 01:22 PM

The only way the U.S. is going to survive a Trump presidency, is with a few Republican votes. To my mind, the single most serious issue in the United States, is immigration. If we can't forge a reasonable compromise with the Republicans, millions of people are likely to be deported from their homes. This really is a serious crisis, and it may peak this week. Although he does have his faults, Senator McCain is the leader of the "Loyal Opposition," within the Republican Party, and we need him very much this week. There are many Republicans who have compassion for the immigrants who have been part of this country for so long. We need all of their votes this week, to vote down the forces of anti-immigrant hatred.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 01:34 PM

a reasonable compromise with the Republicans

Joe, as evidenced over and over again by the course of history since the election of Pres. Obama and the performance of all but a tiny minority of Republican lawmakers this is a contradiction in terms if not an outright impossibility.

Apparently you've forgotten that history. Or choose to ignore it in hopes of some pollyanna/kumbaya fantasy.

Wake up. Get real.

RESIST!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 06:27 PM

The Senator's mother, Roberta McCain,
just observed her 106th birthday.
Longevity may run in the family.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 11:02 PM

Greg, if the Democrats in both houses build alliances with only a tiny minority of Republicans, they can do a great deal to that Trump and his agenda. There are lots of nevertrump members in both houses.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Feb 18 - 02:29 AM

Let's try that again, since my phone "corrected" the word thwart

Greg, if the Democrats in both houses build alliances with only a tiny minority of Republicans, they can do a great deal to thwart Trump and his agenda - although probably not the 2/3 needed to override a veto. There are lots of nevertrump members in both houses.
Murkowski (Alaska), Collins (Maine), and McCain (Arizona) saved Obamacare. All three are likely to side with the Democrats on many crucial issues, and there are many Republicans who take a far more generous view of immigrants, than Trump does.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: keberoxu
Date: 09 Mar 18 - 03:11 PM

In the meanwhile, McCain had his own opinion of the trump tariffs.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Mar 18 - 08:19 PM

I'm not ready to give up on the Republicans. There are still lots of good leaders in the Republican Party, and they provide a necessary balance against the tendency of the Democrats (including myself) to become unrealistically ideological. The really good ones are getting old and retiring, like McCain and Hatch. But there are a few good ones who are younger. Lindsey Graham is the first who comes to mind, but there are others.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Mar 18 - 11:34 PM

There are Republicans who for all intents and purposes recused themselves. I'm not sure if they will get their party back or constitute a new party.

There are some ridiculous extremes among the Dems but these appear to be tendentious for the time being, attempting to embed themselves into the party and poisoning the Dems in the eyes of many middle of the roaders who may have felt forced to the Trumpists.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 10:14 AM

Senator McCain, recovering at home in Arizona,
is better off staying where he is
and away from the snowstorms in the Atlantic maritimes.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 11:16 AM

Re the GOP, their silence on the Stormy Daniels affair has shifted them from being the "Family Values" party to being the Triple X Rated party. Such hypocrisy.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 02:41 PM

nothing to do with oven chips then?

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Jun 18 - 03:39 PM

My feelings are mixed about the public stuff about the Senator presently.

There is a book newly off the presses,
and now, in order to send him off,
there is an HBO documentary which takes its title
from Ernest Hemingway, of all people.

Someone at the Washington Post, I forget who,
raised their voice to ask,
Why does the HBO feature not refer to President Trump?

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jun 18 - 06:52 PM

Kelly Sadler, the Trump aid with a smart-ass remark about McCain dying anyway - is out on her keister today. CNN reports that she "was quietly let go Tuesday nearly a month after making the insensitive remark, three people familiar with the matter said."

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jun 18 - 07:32 PM

Thats news to me. I've been in free fall lately. Its an empty nest thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: keberoxu
Date: 05 Jun 18 - 10:02 PM

Following developments of White House staff
during this administration is like
watching what happens to a pinball in the pinball machine,
just careening from flipper to flipper.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Jun 18 - 09:28 PM

What is your opinion of this opinion?

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jun 18 - 10:32 PM

Hi, Keberoxu - I don't agree with your posting a "this opinion" link without saying something about it yourself and giving at least a short summary of what's in the link.

Your link is to a 4June2018 CNN article by Shan Wu titled Why I Am Forgiving John McCain.

Wu's article discusses McCain's reference in 2000 to his North Vietnamese captors as "gooks." McCain has been a U.S. Senator from Arizona since 1987, when he succeeded Barry Goldwater. He should have known better in 2000, but it's clear that he didn't.

There are many things I hated about my experience in the U.S. Army 1970-73, despite the fact that my work as a German linguist was good overall. But I really hated the racism, and racism seemed to be an integral part of running the U.S. Army. Even though African-Americans were generally well-accepted in leadership positions in the Army, racism and hatred were still an integral part of enforcing opposition to the Enemy. "Gook" was a very common word in the U.S. Army in the early 1970s, as I'm sure it was in McCain's Navy. I thought it was a hateful word. I dared to speak out about some things in the military and suffered for it, but I don't know specifically what racist words I addressed - there were many of them, and they were not discouraged in any way. But "gook" was one of those commonly-used words I hated.

I don't know when McCain learned compassion, but it's clear that he has become a thoughtful and compassionate man in recent years - despite remaining a political conservative. I don't think he'd use the term "gook" nowadays. So, yeah, I'd forgive him for past offenses. In the last couple years, he's been one of the few Republicans to stand up strong against the racism of Donald Trump.

-Joe-





[Shan Wu is a former federal prosecutor who also served as counsel to Attorney General Janet Reno. He practices law in Washington, DC, where his recent representations include defending Rick Gates in the Russian probe.]

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Jun 18 - 11:44 PM

hangs head
sorry Joe I apologize

(Joe has called me out on this before.)

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: keberoxu
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 03:01 PM

Hope I get it right this time:
In this link,
John McCain's daughter Meghan reports on her father's health.

"I'm seeing him in 10 days"

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: keberoxu
Date: 29 Jul 18 - 02:34 PM

There exists the remote possibility
that Joe Arpaio (Republican) may fill the Arizona Senate vacancy.
McCain and Arpaio together in the US Senate?
Words fail me entirely.

We'll know after the primary at the end of August.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Jul 18 - 09:55 PM

Arpaio is as old as dirt. That would be ridiculous on so many levels, it's probably what will happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Jul 18 - 11:32 PM

Joe Arpaio in the U.S. Senate? Isn't he supposed to be in prison? McCain was last re-elected in 2016, so his term doesn't end until 2023. Jeff Flake is up for re-election this year, 2018, and he decided not to run.
I'm hoping somebody good is elected to replace Flake.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Jul 18 - 09:11 AM

Trump "pardoned" him.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: keberoxu
Date: 31 Jul 18 - 12:09 PM

The idea of Arpaio and McCain being the two Arizona Senators in the U. S. Congress.
The very idea . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: keberoxu
Date: 24 Aug 18 - 03:37 PM

And while we wait for the Arizona primary elections
next week,
Senator McCain has been faced with the choice
of continuing medical treatment for cancer
-- and now it is reported that he has chosen to stop treatment.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Aug 18 - 06:53 PM

I know Joe Arpaio was pardoned - before he even got a chance to go to jail, I believe. Time Magazine says he's running a distant third in the race for the Arizona Republican nomination for Senator. The Arizona Primary is this coming Tuesday, August 28. Of the three candidates, Rep. Martha McSally doesn't sound bad - for a Republican.

McCain certainly is no liberal, but he and Jeff Flake have certainly served well as thorns in Trump's side.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Aug 18 - 09:01 PM

I often disagree with McCain, but I respect him very, very much.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator McCain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Aug 18 - 09:05 PM

Senator John McCain died today, August 25, 2018. May he rest in peace. If somebody would like to start an obituary thread, please do. I'm going to close this one, so things don't get confused.
-Joe-