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BS: Labour wants to confiscate property

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Subject: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 07:13 AM

Just when Labour seems to be shrinking the gap with the Tories, Corbyn comes out with the cunning wheeze of rehousing survivors from the Grenfell tower fire disaster by requisitioning vacant adjacent properties.
1) This is a flagrant contravention of the article 1 of the European convention on human rights. This places an obligation on the state not to interfere with people enjoying the peaceful enjoyment of their property.
2)Prior to the recent election Corbyn stated " The Tories want to repeal the Human Rights Act and some want to leave the European Convention on Human Rights."

A wonderful example of a typical lying, double dealing, twisting snake of a politician demonstrating his contempt for freedom and property that his knee jerk reaction to the tragedy is to resort class war?

Do politicians think we are goldfish not capable of remembering past events on each circuit of the bowl? Or is it politicians that demostrate their stupidity by constantly contradicting themselves?


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 07:23 AM

"rehousing survivors from the Grenfell tower fire disaster by requisitioning vacant adjacent properties."
The basartds - how dare they suggest that the wealthy be ask to assist the victims of a fire that has devastated so many homes and taken the lives of so many people - they'll be asking them to pay taxes next
What's wrong with tents in Hyde Park?
Is this a sick joke Iains?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 07:24 AM

By vacant adjacent properties, do you mean properties bought up as "investments" by people who already have more money than they know what to do with, as well as a home somewhere else that they actually live in? You mention the "human rights" of property investors while ignoring the humanitarian needs of people who have just lost everything, in some cases including people dear to them, and who have nowhere to live. Vacant means empty and unused. Look it up. There is no-one peacefully enjoying the "properties" Corbyn is talking about. And I'm sure he isn't talking about doing it without compensation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Johnny J
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 07:32 AM

On a temporary basis, why not? The Tories requisitioned ships for The Falklands from private owners. This is akin to a War time emergency.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 07:43 AM

I had a feeling who may have started this thread. He was my third choice so not too bad :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 08:03 AM

Iain,

We are talking about those who own property and keep it empty as investments. I suppose for you that is far more important than those you consider your inferiors having the right to a roof over their heads.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 08:58 AM

Iain.. don't be such an arse..

It's not as if Kensington tories have long term plans to demolish all those estates and ship the poor people off outside the constituency..

That Labour majority of 20 votes might inspire all sorts of pernicious deranged schemes...?????


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 09:38 AM

It's an emergency on a large scale. If these properties are indeed vacant, they could be requisitioned on a temporary basis (say, for some months) until more permanent housing is found. It's unrealistic to expect the local authority to magic up dozens of dwellings for these unfortunate people when waiting lists are already yards long.

In times of emergency or urgent need, requisitioning has always been a possibility. (eg during WW2, child evacuees billeted with families in safer regions)

One could always negotiate with the current owners and reach some sort of agreement. I think it's a good idea.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 09:41 AM

.. and how about community pulling together in an emergency .. the blitz spirit..

Families spontaneously opening their doors to strangersa - neighbours - to shelter them in immediate days after disaster..

So how many rich property owners in the vicinity have already benevolently volunteered to donate their empty investment properties for the short term...????...


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 09:42 AM

hi Sen - we cross posted... great humanist minds.. eh.. 😎


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 09:43 AM

After Brexit, will the "European Convention on Human Rights" still apply?


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 10:28 AM

Do politicians think we are goldfish

Not you, Iains - you're obviously one sick puppy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 10:32 AM

"Among the many complexities of Brexit is Prime Minister Theresa May's determination to pull the United Kingdom out of the European Convention on Human Rights and the European Court of Human Rights (EHCR). This idea, announced in a number of speeches and interviews before the June 2016 referendum while Theresa May was Home Secretary, is now likely to become a central tenet of the Conservative Party manifesto for the 2020 general election campaign. "
Institute of International and European Affairs

It will be interesting to see what deal she does with DUP with regard to their opposition to Same Sex Marriage, Pregnancy Termination, Creationism and Line Dancing!!
At least Corbyn's claimed association with terrorists will no longer be an issue given DUP's TRACK RECORD
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 10:39 AM

i think its a great idea confiscating property. start with the prince wales - if we had the rents from all his lands going into the coffers instead of his pockets, we'd all be better off.

then the duke of westminster - then the queen.

whats wrong with that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 11:16 AM

A reality check

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-40303142


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 11:33 AM

"Reality Check verdict: Doing so would not be allowed under current rules, and legislation to allow property to be seized in peacetime would be controversial."
Reality check Iains
It would be unbelievably inhuman to allow properties to stand empty while there are so many people in desperate need of a roof over their heads, whatever the law says.
What kind of people would allow that, and what kinD of people would support it by hiding behind the law?
RHETORICAL QUESTION, OF COURSE - the residents of Carrickmines did
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 11:43 AM

Big Al Whittle - 16 Jun 17 - 10:39 AM

i think its a great idea confiscating property. start with the prince wales - if we had the rents from all his lands going into the coffers instead of his pockets, we'd all be better off.

then the duke of westminster - then the queen.

whats wrong with that?


I dare say that the present Duke of Westminster is one of the top 1% of "earners" who pays something like 29.8% of all tax recovered by HMRC. The bottom 50% pay something like 9.7% of all tax recovered.

As for HM The Queen (Duchy of Lancaster) and HRH The Prince of Wales (Duchy of Cornwall) well they already contribute millions to HMRC. I think those contributions plus those of The Crown Estate come in at something like £320 million a year.

Will you still be cheering when they come to confiscate what you have Big Al? Or are you a typical "socialist" who's all for sharing everything until it comes to sharing what they own?

By all means let them requisition vacant properties, but accept that the costs associated with the exercise will be enormous (Not normally a factor that ever clouds Labour Party schemes).


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 11:57 AM

The Duke of Westminster and the Queer Old Dean (and her extensive band of hangers-on) don't "earn" money, Teribus. They MAKE money. Hardly horny-handed sons of toil, are they! I suppose they may get RSI from all that hand-waving, the poor dears.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 12:18 PM

Hardly horny-handed sons of toil, are they!

Not that they have been quoted directly, but I do find it mildly amusing that The Adam Smith Institute and their like seem not to have actually read what Adam Smith wrote.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 12:19 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 11:33 AM

"Reality Check verdict: Doing so would not be allowed under current rules, and legislation to allow property to be seized in peacetime would be controversial."
Reality check Iains
It would be unbelievably inhuman to allow properties to stand empty while there are so many people in desperate need of a roof over their heads, whatever the law says.
What kind of people would allow that, and what kinD of people would support it by hiding behind the law?


If the question were as simple, and clear-cut as you seem to suggest, why have these homes not already been used to house the homeless?

We need (most of us) to have some regard for the rule of law.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 12:40 PM

Of course. But laws are there to benefit people and they can be changed. We call it democracy. Iains started this thread with a vicious swipe at Jeremy Corbyn's character for suggesting that the unused assets of the rich might be used in an emergency to help homeless people whose lives have been destroyed, not with an investigation of whether Corbyn was being realistic in terms of the law. The reality check discussion represents a welcome quiet change of tack if nothing else.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 12:46 PM

There is a hierarchy of human rights. The human right of the survivors of this disaster to a place to live ranks far higher than the property rights of people with empty property.

That's not a particularly leftwing way of seeing it either. Requisitioning resources needed in a crisis has been something governments of all kinds have seen themselves as entitled to do - and have been backed in the courts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 12:54 PM

Steve. The point i make is that Corbyn partly campaigned on the basis the tories would unravel human rights legislation and this encompasses
property rights. Now when it suits he demands that those same human rights be overturned and adjacent property requisitioned. To accomplish this legally would take months and be fought in the courts both here and in Europe with little chance of success. It was a cheap political shot that he knew full well had no chance of success within any meaningful time frame.
He and his supporters are trying to make further political capital out of it by claiming the government has put a d notice on the casualty figures
Both Corbyn and many posting here live in a leftard la la land where the rule of law is sacrificed for expediency.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 12:57 PM

How much lower can labour stoop?

https://order-order.com/2017/06/16/corbynistas-peddle-grenfell-d-notice-fake-news/


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 01:25 PM

How much lower can you stoop seeking rational for your warped sense of humanity
than linking to arsewipe guido's shite-site...???


Law or not.. burnt out homeless families + empty properties = a fairly obnvious humane conclusion...

Still waiting for rich property owners to step up and voluntarily do the right thing in a crisis...


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 01:26 PM

What the fuck are you doing Iaians
Why are you turning a massive tragedy into an attack on a rival party
How much lower can YOU stoop?
"why have these homes not already been used to house the homeless?"
Because it takes a tragedy to galvanise people into doing something about the massive number of empty properties in the Capital
These buildings were in the spotlight as long ago as 1969 when an army of Police evicted protesting squatters from an empty mansion at 144 Piccadilly, Marble Arch
The deliberate act of keeping these buildings empty for years on end for the purpose of profiteering has always been a disgrace in London
Nothing new here
"rule of law" - don't you mean pursuit of profit?
The law is made by property owners and profiteers - it always has been
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 01:50 PM

You are being an arse Iains. For a start, requisition and confiscate are completely different actions. Property was requisitioned during the war. It was returned once the emergency had ended. For a second thing, they are only talking about unoccupied properties. For a third thing you quote the idiot who disguises himself (or maybe herself) as Guido Fawkes. This idiot is a well known tinfoil hat merchant. For a fourth thing the Mail, which I would never use even to wipe my arse lest it be sullied, has been trying to link this tragedy to environmental legislation. After supporting Hitler, you would think that it was impossible to go lower, but the Mail has managed it. For a fifth point, property rights are not human rights. They are a tenet of capitalism, but that is one system among many. Human rights are on a higher plane entirely.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 02:16 PM

He is trying to make political gain out of human tragedy. Sick arsehole.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 02:30 PM

Rather like Donald Trump. Could Iains be Twitler incognito?


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 04:49 PM

David Carter has said it all. Back down, Iains. You have absolutely nothing to complain about, oh, unless you'd like to complain about the fact that your leader wouldn't even meet the people affected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 04:54 PM

David Carter. The BBC"The claim: Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn says the government should requisition housing if necessary for those made homeless by the Grenfell Tower fire.

Reality Check verdict: Doing so would not be allowed under current rules, and legislation to allow property to be seized in peacetime would be controversial."

It is Labour making political capital out of a tragic event and even claiming a D notice has been put on the casualty figures.
It is labour fighting the Tories for wanting to drop human rights legislation and quite happy to blithely ignore the same human rights legislation regarding enjoyment of property and talking about requisitioning property.
What a sick party!
.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 05:06 PM

When are you going to stop saying "enjoyment of property?" You do not "enjoy" a property you are not living in. If the place was so bloody enjoyable you'd live in it. Those empty properties, worth big mazumas in London of course, are investments. I live in a seaside town that is replete with "properties" that are empty for eleven months out of twelve. The people who own them, as well as the people who own those "properties" in lucrative London, already enjoy their human rights in their main residences, which you can bet your life are not in dangerous tower blocks. How you can set the kinds of "human rights" enjoyed by people who mop up homes for investment and keep them empty alongside the humanitarian disaster delivered by the fire - well, I don't know what planet you're on, frankly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 05:24 PM

stop being an idiot shaw!

The European Convention on Human Rights, in Protocol 1, article 1 acknowledges a right for natural and legal persons to "peaceful enjoyment of his possessions"


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 05:32 PM

peaceful enjoyment...!!!@???
The town I live in experienced a spate of fires over a short few years before the banks fucked everyone all over..

Oddly enough, mostly large empty properties that might have had historic restrictions on redevelopment..
and civic amenities buildings....

Easier to get planning permission on burnt out rubble...

.. just saying...


Obviously that would be unthinkable in these tragic circumstances...

Not even the worst heartless sociopath tory rich c@nt would even contemplate doing that.....????


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 05:45 PM

The European Convention on Human Rights is a piece of paper. Hundreds of people have just lost everything, in many cases including their loved ones, and all you can do is whinge about a vague temporary threat to empty investment properties owned by wealthy people who live in very nice houses already. You need to consider backing off, pal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 06:03 PM

Protocol 1 Art.1 of the European Convention on Human Rights provides:

    (1) Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law.
    (2) The preceding provisions shall not, however, in any way impair the right of a state to enforce such laws as it deems necessary to control the use of property in accordance with the general interest or to secure the payment of taxes or other contributions or penalties.


What constitutes "public interest"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 06:16 PM

No Shaw. You need to consider that idiot Corbyn is calling for the overturning of due legal process and trashing property rights to try to score cheap political points. You may support such miserable tactics for political advantage. I do not. You cannot pick and choose bits of the legal code depending on the phases of the moon or the colour of your hair. You either accept it in its entirety or not all all. None of your trendy leftist posturing can alter this fact.
It would be better for all political parties to recognise a human tragedy and work together to ensure it cannot happen again, rather than vying for political kudos on the back of human suffering.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 06:24 PM

Say good night, Iains.

Or perhaps you just need a cookie, a glass of milk, and a nap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 06:36 PM

You cannot pick and choose bits of the legal code

Does that mean your phrase that idiot Corbyn, being a defamatory statement, should be deleted from this forum?

You really are a tosser aren't you.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 07:03 PM

In fact Article 1 of the first protocol allows the state to deprive individuals of their property and possessions if it is necessary to control the use of property or secure payment of taxes and other charges or penalties.

I think that if it actually came to court that could be used to justify requisitioning unused housing in an emergency. And in advance of any such court case it would be perfectly possible to act on that understanding of the law, and requisition the property.

As has been pointed out, requisitioning is not the same as confiscation or expropriation.

If this has happened a week or so, this might not have been a theoretical exercise, since it is hard to imagine Theresa May having won in the light of this disaster and the shabby way she responded to it.

However if Labour does pursue this option, it is far from sure that the current government would be able to defeat it in the Commons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 07:15 PM

"Trashing property rights?" Hundreds of people have just had all their property trashed by a fire that should never have happened and that wasn't their fault. All you can do is whinge on about the property rights of very wealthy people. Get a life, Iains. And a soul while you're at it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 07:43 PM

what an astonishingly insensitive inhumane man...

hope he's not a landlord of rented properties....


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 07:47 PM

"You need to consider that idiot Corbyn is calling for the overturning of due legal process and trashing property rights to try to score cheap political points. "
It was Labour who introduced homes for all back in the 1940s when the peopel of Britain needed them most; it was thatcher who burst that dream by turing homes into investments and disenfranchised many millions of people overnight.
There is no question of "winning votes" - homes for all has always been Labour's policy.
on the contrary, Corbyn's policy is likely to lose him votes in the rich underbelly of Britain and areas where they swallowed Thatcher's policy of respectablising greed.
You quote the European convention of Human Rights - totally immaterial in this situation
Even the American Constitution guaranteed "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" " - how about the homeless - how do they get that in your property world
How about those who have just been burned out of their homes in the last few days - do thehy have no rights to a roof over their heads, or running clean water, or sanitation
Are their rights less important than property owners who wish to leaaave their property empty
I find threads like these extremely useful for throwing the spotlight on what your word is all about - total inhumanity - wealth before people's right to live decent lives.
Your "lefty" epithet is fine by me - in my lifetime "right" politics sent six million Jews to their deaths in extermination camps; right companies in fascist Germany financed the rise of fascism and used slave labour in their factories, it was right wing dictators who massacred and tortured thousands of its opponents in Chile and Greece and it was right wing Thatcher who described his policies as her kind of democracy and those who attempted to bring Pinoochet to trial as "running a police state"
The right, historically has the worst record of human rights abuses and war-crimes on this planet.
So feel free to refer to me as a leftie, even if it is not strictly accurate - "the right has nothing to recommend it in today world.
Would you like to offer a solution for how to assist those who have been made homeless in this fire - wouldn't tents in Hyde Park offend your rich friends in Park Lane?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 08:19 PM

Today and this weekend has been designated a commemoration of Jo Cox's belief
that we all have more in common than we are different.
All around the nation, this is a cross party apolitical celebration of human unity...

This most recent disaster and the aftermath emphasises how communities embrace each other in common bond of shared humanity..

..yet today some sad sour fool named Iains chooses to show himslf up to be a complete and utter bile fueled arsehole...


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 08:53 PM

We're going on an annual walk on Sunday in memory of a gorgeous, lovely, beautiful girl, the daughter of good friends of ours, who died of leukaemia, aged just 25, several years ago. It just so happened to coincide with the Jo Cox day (my sister knew Jo from childhood and is friends with Jo's mum). Sunday will be a poignant day for us lot. Sometimes, focussing on the individual's story instead of trying to see the big picture all the time is what keeps us grounded as human beings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 12:39 AM

several hours of contemplation later...

in this weekends Jo Cox spirit of reconciliation.

I wish to appologise to that arse for calling him an arse...



..but I'm only human.. I should have called him a fukwitted life draining right wing c@nt...

I feel better for that now... it was bothering my conciounce..


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Gurney
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 01:18 AM

I'm a stranger to the UK nowadays, so can anyone tell me if the apartments/flats in that burned-out building were rented by their occupants or owned by them? It seems to me from this thread that there wasn't an effective Body Corporate there, or if there was, it was made up of owners and not owner-occupiers.

Also, do unoccupied properties over there still attract rates? Here in GodsOwn only private houses do that, not business premises.



As an aside, this thread is becoming similar to a lot of others on the wwweb, where personal insults take the place of reasoned argument.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 01:30 AM

Gurney - i asure you my insults are very well reasoned and deserved...

my mudcat persona is usually more moderate than this..


that arse brings all this upon himself...

every word I say to him is carefully thought through and measured...


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 02:42 AM

"He is trying to make political gain out of human tragedy. Sick arsehole."

Gnome that is precisely what Corbyn and his supporters have been doing from day one.

On the empty property thing - One of the examples of the blocks of property vacant given belongs to the Algerian Embassy and therefore cannot be touched by the British Government. Don't know who "owns" the others. Like most things in life, especially in large, complex and multi-national cities and there are few bigger than London what appears to be a simple solution to an immediate problem is far from being simple or indeed being any form of solution at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 02:52 AM

I think you have made a mistake and should apologise PFR...your outburst is completely out of character....or I have you figured wrongly.

Iains was discussing the legal aspect, not denigrating the victims, and Mr Corbyn, though I support much of what he says, is not above making political points over tragedies.....in common with most politicians.
Hope you accept this without rancour, as there is none intended. We should be able to discuss any subject here, as most of us know one another as well as family members.


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