BS: Labour wants to confiscate property

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 05:01 PM

Perhaps all the good socialist sources such as the BBC and Guardian are peddling false news or perhaps you simply made up your responses.

Well done, Iains. If you had done your homework you would have found that my quote comes from your very own bible The Daily Heil.

So, are they now a good socialist source?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 04:50 PM

If you prefer you can watch the interview in "Peston on Sunday", round about 9:20 minutes from the start. Now you are entitled to form your own opinion of course but while those words were said it, is part of a longer discourse saying it cannot be beyond the wit of us all to cone up with solutions to rehousing these people. I suggest it would be more productive to hear Iain's and Terebus' proposals for a solution
To my ears Corbyn was saying there must be ways and here are some. If they can't work for some reason, let's come up with others.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 04:20 PM

So punky rocker you think all the sources below are right wing nutter blogs. Did you ever pay attention in school?
D the G as usual suffering comprehension problems. Perhaps all the good socialist sources such as the BBC and Guardian are peddling false news or perhaps you simply made up your responses.
Steve shaw totally unable to counter my arguments so resorting to his usual blustering and attempted bullying.
Jim Carrol unable to comprehend how the real world operates, where all are subjected to due process and the rule of law.
Now boys read the links carefully and try to refute my arguments with reason and please try to explain to me how any of comrade corbyn's recommended actions can be fulfilled legally within any meaningful timeframe If you cannot do this please try to stay quiet while others try to counter my arguments.
Corbyns exact words
" "Occupy, compulsory purchase it, requisition it, there's a lot of things you can do," he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/15/jeremy-corbyn-empty-homes-owned-rich-should-requisitioned-grenfell/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/18/labour-emergency-house-seizure-laws-could-ease-grenfell-tower-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/18/jeremy-corbyn-urges-people-occupy-empty-homes-supporters-plan/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/empty-homes-owned-by-overseas-investors-should-be-requisitioned-to-rehouse-grenfel
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-40303142

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 04:08 PM

Have you any idea how obnoxious your statements about an intelligent and successful woman such as Dianne Abbott are Bonzo? Just pack it in or be shown up as a misogynistic racist as well as a complete knob.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 03:53 PM

Traitors. All true lefties buy co-op lollies.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 03:50 PM

The flying ants will hopefully come out when Corbile is rolling around with abbott woman!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 03:41 PM

uh oh.. morrisons and tesco lolly lickers about to square up for a rumble..

its mods and rockers, skins versus punks, tories versus bolshy oiks, summer madnesss all over again...

Must soon be time soon for a thunder storm and the flying ants.... 😜

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 03:40 PM

Why keep it going like that Jim? There's been a horriying act of corporate barbarism, with hearbreking stories still coming out about it. Indulging in a squalid little slanging match with a couple of people who aren't worth a moment's attention is a bit like joining them in spitting across a grave.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 03:23 PM

I suggest a box of tesco Rocket Lollies

Nooooo - How will my Morrisons profit share go unless you stick to buying Morrisons lollies. Even us Trotskyists enjoy a bit of capitalism you know!

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 02:55 PM

Iains sems to be spending time trawling the right wing nutter blogs for clever prefab insults and scripted arguements...

Perhaps, instead, he could tell us the legal reasons preventing 'benevolent' mega rich property owners from voluntarily providing short term homes
in any nearby habitable buildings they posess for investment...

Just think of the positive PR the first one to step forward could exploit...

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 02:47 PM

"Carroll and Shaw who having dutifully trotted out the Party line"
Unlike you state arselickers - I have no "party line"
I'm not a member of "a party" nor do I vote for one
My line is one of simple humanitarianism - these people (those who survived) have been left homeless by a fire that was, more likely than not, caused by profiteering and corner cutting
They should be rehoused as soon as possible - the logic is that as there is more than adequate vacant property in the vicinity, that should be the first stop.
Not a party line, simple compassion and humanitarianism - in my world at least.
It remains to be seen whether the guilty parties in all this will b called on to rehouse the survivors permanently and with adequate compensation
I wouldn't risk my money on that one, given the world we now live in.
What do you suggest - a ask Iaians, but he seems to having a sulk somewhere
What a fine pair of representatives of 'compassionate Britain' you pair are
Jim Carroll
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 02:28 PM

McGrath - but it's a British heatwave, a traditional time for getting hot under the collar and enjoying a bit of a shouty sweary fracas
to let off steam...

Surprised, days later, this thread is still sustaining the bad tempered momentum in these extreme temperatures...

I suggest a box of tesco Rocket Lollies.. 😎

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 02:04 PM

The point I was making was about, when we get into these futile exchanges of insults, that always seems to start the same way. A comment is made geared to provoke, someone gets provoked, the original poster hits back with a personal insult or bit of abuse, and someone responds in similar tone, and we're off.

Stay polite in responding to anything you take as provoking, and completely ignore any response which is insulting, and that cuts out that downward spiral. Let people who are abusive talk to themselves, or to each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 12:59 PM

The headline

Jeremy Corbyn has called for the empty homes of rich people in Kensington to be seized

The actual words

He suggested that 'requisitioning' vacant properties would be a solution to the shortage of available accommodation for those displaced.

'Properties must be found – requisitioned if necessary – in order to make sure that residents do get rehoused locally,' Mr Corbyn told a meeting of MPs.

Care to reconcile those two statements Teribus? I am a little surprised that you did not look under the headline before you quoted it.

BTW, in what way are you directly involved with the tragedy? It was you that said High time for everybody not directly involved to simply STFU and let those responsible and in a position to help get on with it Wasn't it? :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 12:51 PM

Ehmm Gnome show me one single report of that - i.e. "What they actualy want is that the victims of this tragedy are rehoused and if the owners of empty properties can help with a short term solution it would be of benefit." - being what has been suggested by Corbyn.

1: Jeremy Corbyn has called for the empty homes of rich people in Kensington to be seized for Grenfell Tower residents who have been made homeless by the fire.

Sound much like asking home owners to help out with a short term solution Gnome - Sure as f**k doesn't sound like it to me. Mind you that might all depend on how much spin you want to put on the phrase "to be seized" - look up some of the synonyms for "confiscate".

2: Jeremy Corbyn urges people to 'occupy' empty homes

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 12:29 PM

Iains quite correctly pointed out the difficulties and legal obstacles that would have to be overcome etc.

Iains also stated that Labour wants to confiscate property. (Hint - see thread title) What they actualy want is that the victims of this tragedy are rehoused and if the owners of empty properties can help with a short term solution it would be of benefit.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 11:57 AM

Teribus 19 Jun 17 - 04:00 AM

High time for everybody not directly involved to simply STFU and let those responsible and in a position to help get on with it

Teribus 19 Jun 17 - 07:38 AM

Iains appears to be the only person talking sense above the hysterical ranting of Tw@ats such as Corbyn and most of those who have backed the line being peddled on this thread.

So, I guess the real meaning of the first statement is everyone who is not directly involved should STFU unless you happen to be a right wing Teribus sycophant.

Correct?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 11:39 AM

McGrath of Harlow - 19 Jun 17 - 11:12 AM

It's notable that the stirring here always seems to start from people well to the right.

Really Kevin?? Anyone who is not in automatic "lock-step" agreement with everything and anything the "usual suspects" come out with is branded as being far right purely for the convenience of idiots such as Carroll and Shaw who having dutifully trotted out the Party line find themselves incapable of mounting any sort of coherent argument to support how what "The Great Leader" has proposed can be viewed in any way, shape or form as a solution.

Iains quite correctly pointed out the difficulties and legal obstacles that would have to be overcome and indicated the amount of time it would take to overcome them. It would appear that you, by some sort of aberration whereby you have completely ditched what common sense you posses, have pitched in with the rather dangerous notion that the Government of this country can do whatever it wants, whenever it wants as long as it suits those on the left and it is supposedly some "rich bastard" that gets it in the neck, or gets dispossessed of what is rightfully his, or hers.

On the subject of Government action, what has occurred is a tragedy, terrible in scale and a national scandal - what it is not is a national emergency.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 11:12 AM

It's notable that the stirring here always seems to start from people well to the right. And it always seems to work. People on the left of politics ought to learn from the example and advice of Jeremy Corbyn and before him, Tony Benn, and refrain from getting sucked into mudfights.

Ever read the story of Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 10:57 AM

"even in ireland you are subject to the Defamation Act 2009."
Bring it on Iains
You are speaking for the profiteers, are you not?
I did not suggest you bore any responsibility for the fire
"Seeing as I am not even in the same country as where the event occurred"
Perhaps an interpreter might be in order then - or should I use shorter words?
I said that you were speaking up for the profiteers who were possibly responsible for the fire by using substandard material and are now demanding that their empty properties should not be used to house the victims.
Have I mistaken your message?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Stu
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 09:56 AM

"Seeing as I am not even in the same country as where the event occurred"

It's not all bad news then.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 09:24 AM

I expect the moderators to delete this post. His statements goes too far.
Jim Carroll
On the other, you have Iains speaking up for his team, the group of people who were possibly responsible for this fire, the profiteers and telling us that the law must be adhered to and their empty properties must remain empty and undefiled by the survivors, or at least, paid for."

Carroll even in ireland you are subject to the Defamation Act 2009.This includes electronic media such as blogs, internet articles and even twitter.

Seeing as I am not even in the same country as where the event occurred there is no possibility of me having the slightest responsibility for the fire.

I think an apology is in order.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 07:48 AM

"Corbyn and most of those who have backed the line being peddled on this thread."
Yeah - we should listen to Blunderwoman instead
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 07:38 AM

Iains appears to be the only person talking sense above the hysterical ranting of Tw@ats such as Corbyn and most of those who have backed the line being peddled on this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 06:00 AM

Nah, he's still blustering around in order to save face. Even worse, he now has BillyToryBoy onside. Oh, by the way, well put, Dave! 👍

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 05:39 AM

High time for everybody not directly involved to simply STFU and let those responsible and in a position to help get on with it

Are you listening Iains?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Bugsy
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 05:23 AM

Personally, I don't give a flying Fuck what political your political persuasion is, or how well you can insult each other.

I'd just like to see these people rehoused...QUICKLY!!!

Cheers

Bugsy

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 04:00 AM

Steve Shaw - 19 Jun 17 - 02:23 AM

Ahhhh the "emoji-kid" strikes again - typical sort of response you'd expect from a believer in the "rose tinted, pinky, sandal wearing, tree smothering, huggy huggy world" where real solutions to problems are simply not required but the presence of "Kick the Tories Out" placard wielding Socialist Worker eejits invading and damaging property is seen to be of some assistance.

High time for everybody not directly involved to simply STFU and let those responsible and in a position to help get on with it - everybody else, especially f**kin' politicians, are not helping at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 03:59 AM

Thanks Monique - will try it next time
Bonne journée
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Monique
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 03:53 AM

Jim, I don't think it's because I'm in France. The blickifier usually doesn't work if the url is too long so I always do it this way and I try (!) to remember to check "preview" to make sure it works.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 03:28 AM

Many thanks again Monique
I think you said you were in Fraance, which may explain the mystery of the missing blue clickie over here
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Monique
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 02:32 AM

Blue clicky

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 02:23 AM

"Well put Iains"

Bwahahahaha! 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 02:16 AM

Worth repeating here, I think, if only to give Iains the opportunity to ignore it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-fire-london-dead-legal-action-campaign-fire-safety-mariem-elgwahry-nadia-choucair-a7795586.html
Can't blue clickie
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 02:07 AM

It occurs to me that this tragedy (and this argument) has presented us with a symbol of what our society has become, largely post Thatcher
On the one hand I've watched, sometimes with a lump in my throat, the residents of Ladbroke Grove lining up to bring relief to the survivors, or simply to lay flowers or express their sympathy and sometimes anger.
I know from personal experience that that area is a small island of hardhip and deprivation in the middle of one of, if not the, wealthiest borough in London.
On the other, you have Iains speaking up for his team, the group of people who were possibly responsible for this fire, the profiteers and telling us that the law must be adhered to and their empty properties must remain empty and undefiled by the survivors, or at least, paid for.
At the same time, he uses this horrific event as a soapbox to make up the ground lost by his glorious leader, Blunderwoman in the recent fiaso of an election.
Personally, Iains has my gratitude for presenting us with a picture of how low our society has sunk - keep it up laddie
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 12:49 AM

D the G
comrade corbyn may well be a caring human being instead of a grandstanding politico grabbing very opportunity to pontificate on yet more totally impractical schemes. However those of us that do not live in a rose tinted, pinky, sandal wearing, tree smothering, huggy huggy world(or bright red in the case of Corbyn) can see through his bullsh*t.
All he has done so far is outline courses of action that are either illegal, or require actions either by the council or parliament to bring them to fruition. This is getting extremely repetitive, you leftards must have the attention span of a gnat.
squatting is illegal
compulsory purchase takes time (see above)
Requisitioning requires the recall of parliament and changes to the law
and would likely contravene european law which would I believe take primacy.
Neither of the latter 2 could be completed in sufficiently timely fashion to ameliorate the present situation.(assuming the legalities were in order and that is a big assumption.
What part of "timely fashion" do you not wish to understand?

I suggest you jump out of your little socialist bubble into the real world and recognise corbyn's utopian dream is the dystopian wasteland of harsh reality.
As I keep saying, the man is a fool. and a very dangerous one at that.
Far more to the point he has grabbed much media attention with solutions that are totally pie in the sky and has contributed a big fat zero to a practical solution.
He must think he is in a Harry Potter film where he can just wave a magic wand and make everything better. Personally I would cast him as Voldemort.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 07:42 PM

Nobody's in power at present. Theresa May is in office, but that's not the same thing.

When parliament back it would be quite possible for a motion like that to win a vote in the Commons. Could the Tories be sure of getting all their members to vote against it? For that matter could they be sure of getting all their DUP friends to do so?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: DMcG
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 05:58 PM

I bet you will hard pressed to find any "better business" that doesn't go on about people holding things back by rasing all sorts of reasons why things can't happen, and that developing a "can do" attitude to find ways of overcoming obstacles as key to success.

So hearing lots of people coming up with all the reasons why things can't be done is interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 05:34 PM

Of course Corbyn is not in power.So why did he suggest such an action??????

Because he is is leader of the opposition and the opposition is suppose to question what the government are doing.

Because he is a caring human being unlike the automaton that currently occupies Downing Street.

Because it is sensible to utilise such empty properties in the circumstances. Sorry I can't come up 6 reasons to match the number of question marks but I am sure 3 is enough.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 03:29 PM

Are you being crucially clear or just absolutely clear?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 03:26 PM

Clear solution: recall parliament and legislate to requisition empty properties for the duration of the emergency.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 03:24 PM

Well put Iains. Real problems require practicable solutions, Corbyn and his supporters on this forum seem incapable of formulating any sort of solution blinded as they are by their ideological imperatives

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 03:20 PM

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/812026/Jeremy-Corbyn-John-McDonnell-squatter-campaign-General-Election-2017-UK-Labour

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 03:17 PM

If the government were to recall parliament to legislate to requisition property in this emergency, then I am sure that they would have all party support.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 03:06 PM

Corbyn on Peston's program today called for the government to take a look at the many vacant luxury properties in the area deliberately left empty.
"In an emergency you have to bring all assets to the table in order to deal with that crisis, and that's what I think we should be doing in this case.

"Occupy it, compulsorily purchase it, requisition it: there's a lot of things you can do."
1)occupying a house or squatting is illegal. So now he is encouraging lawbreaking.
2)CPO's take time. Therefore not a useful short term solution but a very good soundbite.
https://www.out-law.com/topics/property/planning/compulsory-purchase-orders-and-time-limits/
3)Peacetime requisitioning has not yet occurred. This is brand new territory. As I have stated previously this would require the government to recall Parliament and drive through new legislation.
Again not a short term solution for homeless people.

So we have the leader of the opposition encouraging people to break the law and his other short term solutions in a nutshell are not.

Time for comrade corbyn to take time out and think of something useful and constructive to say instead blathering totally impractical solutions to a very real crisis.
God help us should he ever become PM.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Stu
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 02:27 PM

"Tell me, are you a clown fulltime?"

Stick with it, son.

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Iains
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 01:07 PM

WHOOOOOOSSSSSSSSHHHHHHH!

What a stunningly useful contribution to the debate. Tell me, are you a clown fulltime? or did you fall off your socialist armchair and bang your head?

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 12:48 PM

Gladly

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: Stu
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 10:56 AM

"And your point is?"

WHOOOOOOSSSSSSSSHHHHHHH

Subject: RE: BS: Labour wants to confiscate property
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 10:16 AM

Yes, thats sort of why I wrote it.