BS: Trump - not what it says on the can

Subject: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 06:21 AM

got a fb share share from old friend and guitar buddy Ken Nicol yesterday - an article about Trump. It was mainly just saying the bleeding obvious - he was a dangerous clown, promoted above his abilities, nauseating looks - you know the sort of thing one's wife says about you in the heat of the moment.
but it got me thinking about DT. i really couldn't disagree more. Dumb as he may appear - i think he's smarter than most of his critics. And i think the signs are everywhere.
he reminds me so much of Mrs Thatcher.
An image that enrages. A trayful of goodies to appease the unions (remember free collective bargaining that Scargill went for and took the inflation rate sky high.)
And yet this apparently silly housewife had seen beyond these apparently stupid moves.
What i'm saying is that once Trump has put a wrecking ball through Obama's attempts at improving society - i wouldn't be at all surprised if he has some terrible unimagined vision for the USA.

your thoughts....?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 07:19 AM

"your thoughts....?
That's one mixed-p and contradictory posting Al
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 07:43 AM

oh i think it was obvious Thatcher was a clever person - much cleverer than the people who just said what was on their mind. she was devious.

i think mr.trump is the same kind of smart.

underestimate him at your peril.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 10:15 AM

There is no doubt he has mastered certain skills. Howerever they do not apply to any stsemanship or presidency

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 10:42 AM

"Flush"

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 10:59 AM

I think a lot of trumps support is due to the trump / pence team support on traditional Christian values . There are a lot of believers in USA so a lot of them voted for him . It's called politics and democratic process I believe . He is already delivering by defunding planned parenthood , and potentially saving the lives of thousands of Americans thereby. At the very least joe public is not forced to fund this barbarism now

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 01:15 PM

TRUMP??? TRADITIONAL CHRISTIAN VALUES???


BWAAA-HA-HA--HA-HA--HA-HA!!!!


It's called politics and democratic process I believe.

No, pete, its called blatant hypocrisy and pretty sickening into the bargain.

And pete- you're against abortion? Fine, then don't have one and stop messing about with others people you have no business messing about with.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 02:27 PM

Greg we all have a say in how society is run, your response to Pete is simplistic.

Do you really believe that the mother has the right to say what happens to her child in all cases?
Society is supposed to protect from abuse....there are rules concerning abortion, and I am certainly opposed to the killing of unborn children in the interests of convenience.....or stupidity.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Stu
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 02:29 PM

"He is already delivering by defunding planned parenthood , and potentially saving the lives of thousands of Americans thereby."

By stopping chaps from jizzing into a nodder? A sperm is a cell, not a human being. Still need to read up on biology Pete.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Stu
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 02:35 PM

"...and I am certainly opposed to the killing of unborn children in the interests of convenience.....or stupidity."

You might want to try to think beyond your old white man's ignorant and outdated view of the world and try to understand that many of the situations mothers-to-be might find themselves in requires both understanding of the complexities of each case and compassion and empathy to deal with.

Trumps' idiot laws are blunt instruments that are allow neither compassion or nuance to be applied to very difficult situations, and should be treated with the contempt such moronic approaches to human suffering like this deserves.

Christian? Hypocritical bastards.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 02:52 PM

lol now I get McGrath's post.

All of Trump's strengths are somewhat fraudulent, self serving, nefarious, evil, decadent, dishonest, grasp of conspiracy theory consensus, greedy, opponent effacing, self deluded, narcissism and social psychopathic.

His weakness lies in the area of general knowledge, history, complex thought, empathy, rational opinion formation, libido control, cohesive lie formation and understanding metaphoric speech.

I assume the can says; the best most perfect (____) in all the history of the universe...

This is a real 'snatch 22' even for his base.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 03:02 PM

That's "traditional Christian values" in the same sense that Isis says it represents "traditional Islamic values" ?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 03:16 PM

My can of Trump says "Impeach by December, 2017".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 03:17 PM

No, in a much WORSE sense, Kevin.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 03:24 PM

Trump has no affinity with traditional Christian values. Pence might in a weird fundamentalist way, but values of compassion, absolutely not. But Trump? Here: from a source which you might have assumed would be sympathetic to him:

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/how-donald-trump-has-already-broken-all-10-commandments/

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 04:28 PM

My views have nothing to do with Christian values Stu, only humanitarian ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Jun 17 - 06:26 PM

you're not getting what i'm saying.

stop judging him on a moral basis.

think for a minute.

a millionaire - as was Thatcher many times over because of Dennis. unlike thatcher from one of the top richest families in the country.

but he doesn't act like someone from another sphere - like Jacob Rees Mogg.

he thinks what do the blue collar boys want?
and he tells them they can have it. like Thatcher with her offer of 'free collectve bargaining'.

that's smart.

now of course if you piss in the water supply - it will have consequences. Thatcher had worked out the consequences.

i bet this guy has.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: vectis
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 01:11 AM

I'm sorry Al I disagree with you on his smarts. He has lost billions left to him by his father. He is a disastrous, double dealing, cheating big baby who is waaaay out of his depth as POTUS.

He saw the presidency as a money making opportunity which would make him very important for a while. He is a joke, a very dangerous joke for the World. He is intolerant of anyone who dares to disagree with him or tries to stand up to him. He doesn't follow any religious dogma so feels no loyalty to any creed beyond his own. All religions teach tolerance and kindness to others, he just doesn't get that and sees it as weakness.

US needs rid of him soonest.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 02:03 AM

I agree with Al. Trump knows exactly what he's doing- and that means we're in big trouble.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 02:06 AM

interesting vectis!

the fact remains - he has defeated an awful lot of 'intelligent' people to get to where he is already.

the moral weaknesses you describe is like decrying the great white shark for not being a hippy. i doubt if he sees that as weakness.

and however he's spent his inherited wealth - he's cut enough of a dash to become POTUS. this is hardly a trajectory of failure.

i think you underestimate this man at your extreme peril.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 09:02 AM

Not quite, Al - he's just smart enough to hire much smarter people to work for him, to bail him out of his screw-ups amd make him look good. That's always been the case.

He seems to have a penchant for stupidly cutting his employees off at the knees and making them look foolish- and this could come back to haunt him.

That doesn't mean I underestimate the potential damage the gang of
deplorables he's put together can do.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 11:07 AM

Fascinating letter in the Irish Times this morning from a "former Trump supporter" in the US redneck belt
He complains that he has been badly let down because Trumt is a softie and is not going anywhere near far enough to prosecute Clinton and should forget all this nonsense of enquiring into Russian interference
A lunatic fringe with its own lunatic fringe - only in America!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 11:29 AM

Surely when people point out Trump's faults it's not in the hope or expectation of changing him, that would be silly.

Pretty obviously those character failings are a major part of what has got him up to where he is. (And may serve to ensure his fall in time.)

The reason people might go on about them is to encourage others to see them for what they are, and see him for what he is, and maybe to be repulsed. That may be pretty hopeful so far as most of his supporters are concerned, but it's not irrational in itself. And it might help nibble away at the edges.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: robomatic
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 02:54 PM

I'm sure there is a record of his IQ somewhere. The guy did go to school, after all.
I suggest that he is playing to a different drummer, and not even his family knows the tune.
For one thing, He is a BS artist. This does not make him a liar OR a truth teller. This makes him someone who has no relationship with the truth at all to even KNOW or CARE that he is lying. He is like Rush Limbaugh, only with power.
Pence is probably a more normal sort of politician, but with the kind of morals that simper religious while not preventing him running with Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 03:04 PM

He is a BS artist. This does not make him a liar...

Could have fooled me.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: gillymor
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 04:19 PM

What makes Twitler a liar is all the lying he does.


Politifact

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 05:33 PM

Now, Gilly, give him a break- after all, he built the Panama Canal.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: robomatic
Date: 19 Jun 17 - 06:18 PM

I guess I should have writted: "not merely a liar".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 04:24 AM

well i can't prove my point, but anyway i've stated my belief.

i think he's smarter than all these bloated plutocrat talk.

and i wouldn't be surprised if he has something particularly nasty in mind for the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 05:19 AM

Trump is a narcissist. All else follows.

Trump started with a big fortune, and he made it bigger by knowing when to risk, and when to cheat. Smart is one word. Worthy ain't.

He has had success in monetary terms, and being a narcissist he has to show off his achievements, with glitter. However:

Money is power but like all addicts there is one power he didn't have so he went for it, and cheating was not his worry. Russia will be one day!

Our worry is what heights must he migrate to to sate his addiction now?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 08:44 AM

Honest Don beat crooked Hillary. Fair and square is in question. The Russians hacked only 29 US State's voter registration lists. That is about what American Republicans do quasi legally. For example Georgia republican authorities eliminated all 'double voters' from voter registration. What is a double voter? Anyone who has the same first and last name like 'James Brown'. Never mind different middle names and ages, if your name was James Brown you were not allowed to vote.

There was a republican talking point that Putin is a better leader than Obama for over a year before the election. Republicans got their wish either by coincidence or collusion. We don't yet know for sure.
To bad we will not share the Russian free health care plan for everyone there since 1996.

My point is that everything Russian is not bad. Putin's personal economic corruption is bad and Trump wants a piece of that kind of personal profit. I believe Trump has already failed at dropping Russian sanctions for personal profit. That means he still owes Russia and is in increased jeopardy.



note to my detractors- If you want links to everything I say, find them yourself. Hint - They are not on Brietbart.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 09:00 AM

Putin is a far better leader than Trump, anyway, so far as competence is concerned. I'd imagine in moral terms it would be pretty even stevens.

Clearly it's absurd to suggest he's not extremely intelligent. Stupid, and maybe crazy, are a different matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: EBarnacle
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 10:17 AM

I can hardly wait for him to have the government declare [fiscal] bankruptcy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 10:20 AM

The Magnificent seven
Bannon, Kuchner, Trump, Tillerman, Sessions, Priebus, Mnuchin.

Or are they the villains to this magnificent 7 ?

Sanders, Warren, Hickenlooper, Booker, Biden, Franken, Newsome.


It looks like the billionaires are pitted against the people,
but the hate message of the billionaires appeals to the common folk.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 11:08 AM

I envision the next GOP primary celebrating Trump having risen above the law although many of his current surrogates will have fallen from prosecution , from being fired and even falling from liberal gun play.

With the sound track of the Magnificent Seven blasting at 140 decibels and a laser light show, a 60 ft. high hologram of Trump will appear with the remainder of his cabinet and Scalise on crutches hobbling   below the Trump hologram. Some surrogates are wearing gun belts.

The crowd goes wild as the soundtrack switches to 'proud to be an American'.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jun 17 - 11:26 AM

I forgot, Scalise will be wearing a baseball uniform.

Meanwhile at the DNC convention, Bernie and Liz will be waving a common twig that is supposed to be an olive branch.

God/Hitler knows, theatre and show business is politically important.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 08:43 AM

I think I may have just received the same link to an article in Der Spiegel back in May.

It is a very perceptive editorial and given the name of the publication has a good link to Mudcat :-) I think it mirrors the view of a lot on here if you will excuse the pun, Max :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 01:24 PM

The one being groomed to succeed is Ivanka.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 02:53 PM

In an administration where words have no meaning beyond an insult or denial, we should remind everyone; no matter what your occupation or wealth, you are only as good as your word.

Donald Jr. and Jared both admitted to talking with a Russian lawyer about Russian information of value from e mails in the Democrat's campaign.

This is after they forgot to mention it.

Trump Sr. knows nothing - excuse the pun.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 04:53 PM

Hmm Ivanka Trump, first female president of the US? I'm sure she will be well received in the higher echelons of Mudcat?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 06:17 PM

I been here longer than you aken, and I've never come across any "higher echelons". Just some people post more than others, you being one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 08:49 PM

Ivanka Trump, first female president of the US?

President Bimbo, Ake? Heaven forfend.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 02:26 AM

It's the "glass ceiling stupid", but maybe Ivanka would be a stone too far for some?

Mr McGrath, unfortunately most of my better posts never see the light of day, or at least only for a couple of minutes.
Some posters seem to be more equal than others, as somebody once said.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 06:34 AM

back to the present

In the US the right got their Citizens United decision to allow unlimited donations to a candidate with secret super funds and limited super funds. This action made it possible for the Chinese army to secretly give to our candidates.

It is a small step for the right to allow foreign governments to participate in all sorts of actions to influence our elections.
SUDDENLY some people feel that treason, collusions and espionage is the way to go to win elections against Democrats.

The right was given an inch and they took a mile.
Americans must each decide if the Republicans may be allowed to commit treason as long as it assures they win. Democrats would be held accountable as traitors but a republican is just doing what they need to do to defeat evil liberal nigger loving god hating democrat
terrorists.

Treason, its what's for dinner and will be on conservative plates for years to come.

Oh Waiter -   I'll have a side dish of collusion and foreign extortion for dessert!...its OK, I'm Republican. thanks

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 06:35 AM

most of my better posts never see the light of day

If the posts that remain are an indication of the quality of the posts that are deleted I can only thank heaven for small mercies.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 06:56 AM

Actually it is up to Wall Street Banks to decide if treason is good for business. They own Congress who will appear to decide under our current system of corruption. If the Constitution alone decided, short term profits would be lost.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 07:15 AM

give us the gist of it Ake...

What can it be that you have to say that the world needs protection from....you're not one these guys who've had sex with aliens from another planet and the CIA is after you with a death ray....are you?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 07:42 AM

Hey, we have had covert microwave rifles (death ray) for 40 years.

NEW SPEAK The memo for republicans is flat out deny. If you can not deny say you forgot. If you can not say convincingly say you forgot say it is a nothing burger, If there is something say that there was some loosey goosey shenanigans. If that dog doesn't hunt, flatly deny again.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 08:10 AM

It's just been announced that Trump's son had been informed by e-mail that information regarding Hilary Clinton was part of the Russian campaign calculated to help Donald the Dodderer get elected
Interesting days, eh what!!
JIm Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump - not what it says on the can
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 09:22 AM

The Trump defense team is running out of gas. They are just saying it is much ado about nothing. -weak-

Even if Donald Jr, Jared and Mannifort did not take the Hillary dirt from the Russian lawyer, it is still soliciting. Even in the possibility they did not take any Russian dirt it is like going to a drug dealer and they found out the dealer did not have thier brand of coke so they left without buying. I think they bought Russian government information.

Trump senior asked for Russian intercepted emails publicly.

Now the White House is saying IT IS A MASSIVE HUGE NOTHING BURGER> weak