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Tech: donotlink.it

Jack Campin 18 Jul 17 - 08:22 PM
Acme 18 Jul 17 - 09:19 PM
GUEST,Ed 19 Jul 17 - 03:25 PM
DaveRo 19 Jul 17 - 05:11 PM
Nigel Parsons 20 Jul 17 - 08:39 AM
Jack Campin 20 Jul 17 - 09:08 AM
GUEST 20 Jul 17 - 09:12 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 20 Jul 17 - 09:21 AM
Jack Campin 20 Jul 17 - 09:27 AM
Jack Campin 20 Jul 17 - 09:32 AM
GUEST 20 Jul 17 - 10:12 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 20 Jul 17 - 10:21 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 20 Jul 17 - 10:25 AM
Vashta Nerada 20 Jul 17 - 10:37 AM
punkfolkrocker 20 Jul 17 - 10:48 AM
punkfolkrocker 20 Jul 17 - 10:50 AM
Jack Campin 20 Jul 17 - 11:05 AM
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Subject: Tech: donotlink.it
From: Jack Campin
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 08:22 PM

This is a clever idea doing something useful:

https://donotlink.it/

You take a link from a site that you detest (the Express, say) and whose rankings you don't want to boost. It returns a short URL which takes the reader to that site when they click on it, but obscures the origin of the click (the REFERER attribute) and makes sure that the click doesn't boost the site's rankings on search engines.

Demo (not to a site many people here are likely to object to, though):

https://donotlink.it/wb5B


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: Acme
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 09:19 PM

So many possible applications! Thank you, Jack!


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 19 Jul 17 - 03:25 PM

So many possible applications!

Could you please elucidate, Acme? Beyond catering to the digitally paranoid such as Jack, I see no worthwhile purpose.


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: DaveRo
Date: 19 Jul 17 - 05:11 PM

A disadvantage if that sort of link - and of link-shorteners in general - is that the reader cannot know where the link goes, by hovering over it or whatever facility the device provides. If I know that a link is to the Express, say, I might choose not to follow it at all. If you send readers to the Express who wouldn't normally go there you're increasing their page views, and potentally the fees they charge advertisers.

And why link to a site you detest? If you must do that I suggest you attach a warning, and perhaps a justification.


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Jul 17 - 08:39 AM

I agree with daveRo.
If you think a site is worth linking to then it deserves to have any hits counted.
If you want to avoid adding to the number of hits for site-ranking then don't link to it.

Seemples!


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Jul 17 - 09:08 AM

The point of "donotlink" links is precisely that they DON'T add to the target site's rankings and don't generate any advertising revenue for it. They're perfectly clear about what their service achieves, read it.

A preview like what TinyURL provides would be useful, but I'm not sure how feasible it would be.


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 17 - 09:12 AM

I don't see the point. If you dislike a site , why go to it at all?


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 20 Jul 17 - 09:21 AM

'A disadvantage if that sort of link - and of link-shorteners in general - is that the reader cannot know where the link goes, by hovering over it or whatever facility the device provides.'

As another slightly digital paranoid, I use a handy little Firefox add-on that shows you the original URL the short link wants to send you to: Long URL please


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Jul 17 - 09:27 AM

Suppose you want to discuss racist propaganda initiatives on the web. Do you want to help the racists get more search engine exposure every time you post something that condemns them?

I found this video via Google, using search terms that in themselves didn't suggest anything bigoted (not difficult in this area, the racists tag on to all sorts of content). But I didn't click on it myself - I pasted the link into donotlink.it, let them generate an indirect link, and clicked on that to load the video.

https://donotlink.it/9eOo

The name of the organization behind that crap is truly disgusting, given what they actually stand for. I'm not going to allude to it in any way that Google can make sense of.


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Jul 17 - 09:32 AM

The Firefox add-on Peter suggests would frustrate the whole point of donotlink if the long URL were subsequently used by Firefox to connect to the site - is it? No problem if it's simply displayed to the user.


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 17 - 10:12 AM

Totally redundant when posting a link on Mudcat. Just include a NOFOLLOW attribute.


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 20 Jul 17 - 10:21 AM

The Firefox add-on Peter suggests would frustrate the whole point of donotlink if the long URL were subsequently used by Firefox to connect to the site - is it? No problem if it's simply displayed to the user.

Jack, my understanding has always been it only shows the original link when you hover over the short link. I may be mistaken though.


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 20 Jul 17 - 10:25 AM

I meant to add that I what understood the purpose of the add-on to be, was to make visible any malicious link masked by a tinyurl. I made the assumption, without actually trying, it would also show the original target of the donotlink URL.


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 20 Jul 17 - 10:37 AM

Jack nailed it on the value of the site - giving oxygen to objectionable sites happens if you try to discuss them by sharing a link. And it skews the search results for your browsers after that.


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jul 17 - 10:48 AM

Just consider how frequently the the gang of right wing diehards down in BS post links to contextual material
they insist we need to read to fully understand their arguments..

As individuals we can adopt a default position of ignoring every link they post,
or if we are curious to investigate & identify the sources of their mean minded ideas, we might want to read further..

So yes, this donotlink might come in useful...


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jul 17 - 10:50 AM

Does chrome incognito browser work as effectively, or do the clicks still count for vile websites...??


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Jul 17 - 11:05 AM

I doubt you can do such an effective job from within a browser, though it might help. You'd need to do a feature-by-feature comparison. Donotlink seem to be pretty open about how their service works.


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: DaveRo
Date: 20 Jul 17 - 12:39 PM

There are two metrics - rankings - here, and they're potentially in conflict.

Firstly, the position of a site in search results - i.e. how high up a site appears - can be affected by the number of sites that link to it. That's the effect that donotlink.it reduces. It's not the only factor that that affects a site search ranking.

Secondly, a site's 'page views' ranking - i.e. how many people actually go there - as measured by Alexa and others. This has a big effect on how much a site can charge advertisers. It also affects search ranking.

So the question is - if people use donotlink.it in their posts will it cause more people or fewer to visit the target site? Those who wouldn't normally click on a link to the Express, say, will end up there, increasing their page views and revenue (a tiny bit). And if they detest the site too that'll piss them off. People, like me, who would want a good reason for clicking an obfuscated link will not click it and will treat future posts by the same author with suspicion.

So if you use it, tell people where it goes.


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jul 17 - 12:45 PM

DaveRo - as I understand, I'd use it to copy a link provided in BS by the right wing heavy mob,
then paste it at donutlink to generate a link I'd prefer to use which won't add to the dodgy target sites click count...


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: DaveRo
Date: 20 Jul 17 - 01:20 PM

The idea is that the 'right wing heavy mob' want to post a link to a disgusting site, such as the Grauniad, so instead of posting a link to
https://www.theguardian.com/media/commentisfree/2017/jul/19/the-guardian-view-on-bbc-pay-transparency-right-thing-wrong-reason
they post this link
https://donotlink.it/nlPq

I'm suggesting that the target be made clear, eg
This absurd piece in the Garuniad...
or
https://donotlink.it/nlPq (Guraniad website)


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Subject: RE: Tech: donotlink.it
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jul 17 - 01:36 PM

DaveRo - yeah.. that makes sense..


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