BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 02:55 PM

Keith - We welcome your contributions when you are at your best and making good clear intelligent points.
But as discussed so many times before, you are your own worst enemy
and nearly always undermine your credibility with a relentless barrage
of needy repetitious spamming pleas for attention...

You also do not help by habitually sinking to playing the innocent victim.

I believe you have been allowed a free pass to create disruption and rancour for far too long.

Yes, you present the demeanour of civility and politeness of a traditional British gentleman..
But so do many of the classic smarmy weasely treacherous literary and cinematic villains...

I'm not too confident I know the exact accurate meaning of the term 'passive aggressive', so avoid using it..
however......


Please spend more time reading and properly comprehending what the rest of us post,
and less time writing excessively copious screeds of denial and blame..
We'll all be happier and get on much more positively

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 02:32 PM

Jeri,
I made only one case in this thread, that Halal and Kosher meat should be labelled, and gave reasons for it.
No-one has challenged anything I have said, they just accused me of racism, which is ridiculous.

Thank you for at least acknowledging that I am polite.

PFR, re Senoufou,
She received an unprovoked abusive post from Greg, which clearly upset her.
I was the only person to criticise Greg or support her.
That whole exchange has now been deleted.

Her last post was to dare to criticise Steve for his aggressive posting.
Her last words before announcing her departure,
" (Steve's) posts, which seem lately to be getting increasingly confrontational, personally insulting and stroppy. "

I have nothing more to say on any of these topics, but will answer any points put to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 12:59 PM

"Jamaica... No.. She went of her own accord"

Keith - however much you and other cronies of the self appointed sanctimonious mudcat 'moral majority' insist,
whatever devious spin you promote..

nobody ever drives anyone else away..

They leave of their own free volition...

You are not a mind reader, you do not know why they decide to go..

But you seized and exploited the opportunity to 'weaponise' Sen's departure
for your own cynical attention seeking motivation and gains..
To further discredit and attack your 'enemies' and rally potential malleable sympathisers to your camp.....




I've been away from mudcat all day, not because of anything anyone said,
but because the wife is off work and we had better things to do in bed.... 😍

When I do go, it'll be quietly without any grandiose diva histrionics...

Would't want anyone trying to claim a victory from my going... 😣

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 12:37 PM

You are quite right, Jeri. Thank you. No more for me either.

Keith. If they are of interest to me I will still respond to your points. Once and once only. Maybe now you have been told that it is not just me you may take notice.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 12:36 PM

Less as time goes on. I think you're right: he's best ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 11:12 AM

Keith, it seems to me your sole purpose in the threads you infest is to keep them going endlessly. You tell people what they must respond to, and how they must respond, then you find some other statement you can pry open and continue to do the same thing with. It's trolling. It's polite trolling, but still trolling. You poke people to make them jump. You hold up hoops for them to jump through. I have serious doubts about whether you should continue to post in BS, but I would really hope others, as perhaps Jim has, refuse to be manipulated further.

The problem (for me, and for any thread you sink your teeth into) is, I think they enjoy being manipulated.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 10:55 AM

Greg, despite all the days of abuse Steve does not disagree with anything I or Senoufou have said, and neither does PFR.

If that is not true, I challenge them to quote something I have said that they think is wrong.

All that nastiness was for nothing.
It drove at least one person, Nigel, from the thread and at least one, Senoufou, away from Mudcat altogether.

Why do you people have to be so nasty all the time?
Why not just discuss the issues?
We need people like Senoufou much more than we need you and your aggression.

Steve,
I have also made the same case as Dave in a number of carefully-considered posts in this thread.

Really? You have not said if you oppose the labelling Halal or not!
Never mind all the other things, we are talking about Halal and Kosher. Yes or no?

Your case appears to be that halal meat should be be labelled as such.

Yes it is. Do you agree or not?

Your words. Halal is an Islamic tradition. You have homed in on it as though it's some kind of egregious practice that we simply must be told about, far more significant than all the other welfare issues.

Completely untrue. It is not more significant than other issues like hormones, antibiotics and intensive rearing.
I can avoid all of those by buying organic.

Halal and Kosher killing is a significant issue because the RSPCA and the Veterinary Association say it causes unnecessary suffering, but there is no requirement for it to be labelled.
Why do you object to it being labelled, if you do!

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 09:50 AM

ny cranky religion, which apart from the Church of England means pretty well all of them

Jesus wept. (as it were)

Keith makes everything about "me the victim."

Exactly like Trump! Are you sure that The Professor isn't one of Trump's inner circle, Steve?

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 07:21 AM

I refuse to eat food that is dictated by some cranky religion - any cranky religion, which apart from the Church of England means pretty well all of them - especially those advertising on the back of buses!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 06:44 AM

Steve,
You are silent about other aspects of welfare and husbandry,

I have not been silent.
I choose not to buy animal products where hormones or antibiotics are used or the animals are kept in unnatural intensive conditions.

That is pretty much all non-organic products. It makes them cheaper than organic products and I choose to pay more.

I accept that not everyone can afford to pay more, and industrialised food is cheaper.

Price is not an issue with Halal and Kosher. It probably costs more.
Race is certainly not an issue.

Given a choice I would avoid eating animals that have not been stunned, but lack of labelling takes away that choice. However I do choose to eat in Indian restaurants and holiday in Muslim countries.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 06:27 AM

US prisons are a huge market for kosher and halal products.
Allegedly those meals are superior to 'Christian' food.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 06:21 AM

I have also made the same case as Dave in a number of carefully-considered posts in this thread. I regard your accusation that I've made no case to be bullying and abusive. Your case appears to be that halal meat should be be labelled as such. You are silent about other aspects of welfare and husbandry, unlike me and Dave who have tried to balance the discussion by bringing in aspects that we may regard as far more importantt than the few seconds surrounding the animal's slaughter. You brag about your expensive organic habit in Holy Joe fashion and profess that this qualifies you to pontificate. Your words. Halal is an Islamic tradition. You have homed in on it as though it's some kind of egregious practice that we simply must be told about, far more significant than all the other welfare issues. To focus obsessively in veiled pejorative terms on an Islamic tradition that is actually fairly innocuous when set alongside the other things that we do to animals is racist. Now that's my case. It is not "no case." It happens be be at odds with yours, and, what's more, it's far more carefully-considered and neutrally-expressed than your single bleat that halal must be labelled.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 05:59 AM

Basically I am saying that taken in context I was not being abusive.

In that case then, Keith, neither was I.

Now, was I correct in saying that you do not oppose labelling Halal meat?

I don't know how I can make it any clearer. I think all meat should be labeled with how it was kept when alive and how it was slaughtered. By default that includes Halal and Kosher methods. I do not believe that ONLY Halal meat needs to be labeled.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 05:49 AM

PFR
Keith - You personalise this, you always resort to whining accusations of "why is everybody always picking on me"

Completely untrue.
I object to nastiness whoever it is directed at. I objected to Greg's abusive post against Senoufou and Steve's aggressiveness to her.

Why must you do it?
Why not just discuss the issues.
You say you have no interest in the issue I am discussing anyway so you only post here to to be abusive.
Why do you do it?
Please all of you stop.

Dave,
So, basically then Keith, what you are saying is if you feel you can justify it,

No. Basically I am saying that taken in context I was not being abusive.

any amount of abuse or invective is OK.

No. I hate it and have constantly campaigned against it.

Now, was I correct in saying that you do not oppose labelling Halal meat?

Steve, you oppose the labelling of Halal meat but have completely failed to make any case at all.
Just more of your obsession with race, which has no bearing whatsoever on this discussion.

I favour labelling and gave clear reasons for it supported by facts and hard evidence.
You produced nothing but abuse.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Aug 17 - 03:03 AM

End of!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 05:37 PM

Silly Inanes. Silly Keith. Inane Iains. Inane Keith. Quite possibly, though I'm no medic, insane Iains and insane Keith. Thread gone daft. Much ado about bugger all. Once again, Keith makes everything about "me the victim." Move along please. Nothing to see here.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 03:17 PM

Its good to see people are still passionate about murder.
It beats apathy. Now someone will become indignant about beating apathy as being cruel and inhumane.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Iains
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 02:18 PM

Well Shaw are you still going to argue the toss over a PIG IN A POKE and insist the entire EU is racist for requiring labelling.

Once again your arguments are clearly shown to be specious!



http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=84933
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/new-eu-rules-require-compulsory-labelling-of-halal-meat-2006114.html
http://www.evana.org/index.php?id=56622
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/if-we-cant-ban-halal-meat-we-should-at-least-let-people-know-when-theyre-buying-it-a7178481.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 02:07 PM

So, basically then Keith, what you are saying is if you feel you can justify it, any amount of abuse or invective is OK. Fine. As long as I know the rules I can live with that.

Now, go and stick your futile excuses up your arse and let normal people discuss things in a grown up manner.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 02:05 PM

..and as unhealthy for mudcat as it is to dwell on this and indulge Keith's excesses...

Keith - You personalise this, you always resort to whining accusations of "why is everybody always picking on me"

You always distract from and hijack a debate with your oversensitive, over defensive, paranoid obsession that any disagreement with you is a nasty attack on your character..

You are just simply detrimental to the mudcat community.

I was instructed by a high rank mod to stop interacting with you a year ago, because you were unwell...
I tried my best...

Thankfully, you now appear much better and in good enough health again for the rough and tumble of BS..
and my sincere best wishes, long may you continue...

So act like an adult and not a winging manipulative schoolkid goody two shoes..


I seriously really like and respect Sen.
I am so annoyed that you are claiming ownership of her, and blaming those who stand up to you for driving her away...

is this clear enough...???

I really would not like to have to resort to being genuinely 'nasty'...

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Iains
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 01:47 PM

A survey carried out several years ago.: I draw your attention to the last line in the article:"But Maajid Nawaz of the Quilliam Foundation, a Muslim think-tank set up to challenge extremism, said: "All halal meat in the UK should be pre-stunned."


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/halal-meat-most-britons-want-3524498

An interesting extract from an article about definition of halal:

"Some Muslims, however, insist that stunning is not halal. They can say so with some confidence, because there is no single halal authentication body: five different certification authorities exist in the UK alone (and dozens more abroad), each with a different interpretation of what exactly is permissible.

The Halal Monitoring Committee or HMC, for example, based in Leicester, considers all pre-stunning an offence against Quranic law and tradition. The more progressive Halal Food Authority or HFA is perfectly happy to permit stunning, providing of course the animal is still alive at the time of slaughter.
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Other authentication bodies around the world are reportedly even more liberal, allowing the Shahadah or Islamic blessing to be recited just once, at the start of the day, in abattoirs using fixed automated blades – or even to be pre-recorded and played continuously on a sound system.

With no consistent, internationally recognised labelling system, the result is that consumers may often have no idea they are buying halal meat, let alone how the animal was slaughtered. "It would all be a lot easier," says David Bayer of one of Britain's largest meat wholesalers, DB Foods in Poole, Dorset, "if there was more transparency, a more unified approach."

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 01:40 PM

PFR, instead of just asserting that something I have said is" lacking & questionable" please produce an example.
Make it a really bad one!

The fact is you are just slandering me because you have no reply to what I have actually said.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 01:37 PM

Dave, here is my comment on your morality in context.

"I would defend any faith from such an attack.
Why do you only and always attack Christianity?
Because you feel safe from getting something nasty in return.
That is your morality, and I think it is shit."

The "fuck off" was in reply to you saying, "I am just not prepared to discuss anything with a devious sociopath who will stop at nothing to win imagined points. Is that clear enough?"

I repied, "Then fuck off and allow anyone else to discuss what they want with who they want, instead of joining the continuing domination of the thread by your gang of cronies."

I do not remember the "mindless whims" but I think it was because you could not support your assertions with any actual facts, or any evidence at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 01:33 PM

Ake - I remain as always an asocial misfit.. i never join any gangs...

I let objective reasoning guide my judgement..
and in this 'debate' i find keith to be even more lacking & questionable than others I might disagree with...

.. and that's all there is to it..

no malice or 'nastiness' intended..........

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 01:33 PM

ake, using Keith's rules it is reasonable and rational to tell you to fuck off. But I will not do that. Just point out that it is difficult to take any notice of a someone who says he has been a lifelong socialist and then tells us he votes tory.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 01:21 PM

Pfr...I think you are being needlessly obstructive here. Keith is obviously making a serious and accurate point, I don't understand why you are trying to obstruct him in that.

Well meaning tip.......Don't join that gang you are several classes better.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 01:17 PM

So you didn't tell me I had shit morals, that my opinions were mindless whims and to fuck off then, Keith? Are you sure of that?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 01:15 PM

Have you actually asked any British Muslims if they object to labelling or find the lack of it inconvenient?

I was once with a Muslim who was wrongly told a sausage was Halal, and saw his distress when he found he had in fact eaten pork.

I do not need to ask as it must be a problem in areas without specialist shops.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:56 PM

Keith - have you actually asked any British Muslims
if they need your altruistic intervention, and persistent campaigning, to champion Halal labeling on their behalf...???

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:55 PM

Steve, you imagine you know more about animal welfare than the RSPCA and the British Veterinary Association, but you are deluded.

You are just race obsessed and your hubris makes you laughable.
Ha ha.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:54 PM

So you didn't tell me I had shit morals, that my opinions were mindless whims and to fuck off then, Keith? Are you sure of that?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:51 PM

Dave and Pfr, please identify any less than reasonable or irrational posts from me.
I say you can not, and you are resorting to more personal abuse because you can not actually challenge a single thing I have posted.

If I am wrong, produce a quote of mine to support you abusive assertions.

Instead of slandering others, why not just discuss the issues?
I think it is because you can't.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:48 PM

Yes.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:46 PM

Steve,
You are racist for highlighting your desire to see halal labelling only

Also Kosher, and for the same non racist and purely rational reasons I have given.
You call me racist and other nasty names because you can not answer what I actually say.

and no other aspect of welfare or husbandry

For myself, buying organic means I know it is not injected with hormones or anti-biotics or reared in intensive systems.
Anyone who cares about those things has the choice because organic food is labelled.

It's the same as the confected outrage about "Sharia Law taking the country over

I have never expressed such a ludicrous view and never would. Why mention it?

Halal butchers may say what they are over the shop but the meat inside is no more labelled than the meat in any other butchers

The sign is as good as a label.

Not once has anyone in this thread indicated that lack of labelling is a problem for Muslims

I have, and it must be where Halal specialist shops are not available.

To me, that's the only thing that matters.

Lucky you. What about the millions who need to know and the millions more who would like to know.

You've just referred to halal, kosher and "regulation," as if there's something wrong with halal and kosher. Subliminal...

You are truly obsessed to the point of being deranged. Halal and Kosher butchers are not bound by the regulations on slaughter that apply to others.

The RSPCA and the British Veterinary Association say that there is something wrong with Halal and Kosher slaughter, because it causes unnecessary suffering.
Do you know better?

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:43 PM

D tG - at least my mum never learned to use computers and the internet... 😜



[shame really, skype would be so helpful..
seriously considering getting broadband for her house,
with view to eventually installing strategically positioned 24/7 monitoring web cams...]

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:34 PM

Another symptom is believing they are being perfectly reasonable and rational. The picture is getting clearer by the minute...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:31 PM

I wouldn't worry about Keith's definition of nasty PFR. If he say that someone has shit morals, that their opinions are just mindless whims and then tells them to fuck off it is fine. I would apply the same rules if I was you.

You have set me off thinking though. I have just been to see my Mum who also suffers from dementia and you have just helped me put 2 and 2 together. One of the symptoms is going on and on about the same pointless things. I have, like you, learned to very patient. I have just realised that I should be more patient on here and keep repeating the same answers no matter how many times I am asked.

Thanks.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:29 PM

Pfr, please identify any less than reasonable or irrational posts from me.
I say you can not, and you are resorting to more personal abuse because you can not actually challenge a single thing I have posted.

Prove me wrong why don't you?
I do not think you will.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:27 PM

No it all isn't. Don't talk daft. You are racist for highlighting your desire to see halal labelling only and no other aspect of welfare or husbandry because you want to see your fellow tabloiders "outraged" by what you would like to be the fact that Muslims are leading us all by the nose. It's the same as the confected outrage about "Sharia Law taking the country over." Halal butchers may say what they are over the shop but the meat inside is no more labelled than the meat in any other butchers. Not once has anyone in this thread indicated that lack of labelling is a problem for Muslims. To me, that's the only thing that matters.   And watch your language. You've just referred to halal, kosher and "regulation," as if there's something wrong with halal and kosher. Subliminal...

Subject: OpingRE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:16 PM

Keith - Coping with my mother's dementia has vastly improved my threshold of patience
and ability to humour less than reasonable and rational behaviour...

Be happy you [and others] are reaping the benefit.... 🙄

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:09 PM

Pfr, it is possible to have a serious discussion without being nasty.
Nastiness like that drives decent people away, as witness Senoufou and Nigel.
It will never drive me away however.

Yes you can be nasty, but you do not have to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:06 PM

Steve,
Suppose you put "halal" on a label. I wonder how many people would know what it meant...

Why does that matter?
Some people need to know, some would just like to know, and many just do not care.

Why would you want to conceal it?


Exactly, pfr. In other words, the campaign to get halal on food labels has racist undertones.

What utter nonsense. There is nothing racist about it, or are the RSPCA and the British Veterinary Association all racists?
You are like a modern day witch finder with your obsession with racism.

I mean, why not put on the label "this chicken was injected with antibiotics to enable the farmer to keep it in overcrowded conditions in a darkened shed with 40,000 other birds". Or, "this milk was produced by a highly-bred cow with an udder so huge that it has trouble moving around the field for half the day".

No need for that label. It all is except for organic products, which are clearly labelled.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 12:03 PM

Keith - "Why do you have to say nasty things like that?"

at mudcat I indulge in sarcasm and absurdity;
if in the 3D world you were to ever experience me being nasty [rare.. but it has been known],
then you would really know the meaning of that word...

Word of advice.. stop playing the pitiful victim.. it's embarrassing to witness for a grown man of your mature years... 😒

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 11:54 AM

Keith - "Why do you have to say nasty things like that?"

I am so sorry Sir, please try to stay calm and still... 😣

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 11:50 AM

Pfr,
Keith's spurious excuses for labeling...

Why do you have to say nasty things like that?
I stand by everything I have said, and none of it is "spurious."
Why can we not just discuss the issues without being personal and nasty about it?

This is not about food quality. I am aware of no difference in quality between Halal, Kosher and regulation meat.
My only case is about labelling which you say you do not care about, so why even address posts to me?

Steve,
Muslims who want halal meat will go to a halal butcher.

Yes, and they are always clearly labelled and no-one objects.
There are none here or in any of the local towns that I know of, and Muslims shop in our local supermakets where meat is not labelled.

if you want to know if any meat you buy is halal, well you've got a tongue in your head.

So any labelling is superfluous? We should all form orderly queues to ask if it is Halal or organic or where from or free range or full fat or........

We label for other information so why not Halal, Kosher, etc.
What is your problem with it?

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 11:36 AM

all Indian restaurants now arrogantly offer only halal meat

Lets try for the third time:

What exactly do you mean by "arrogantly"?

Anything like your arrogant disdain for all things Muslim?

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 10:30 AM

I grew up on Bowyers Steak and Kidney pies and Brain's Faggots...

[council estate factory pay packet affordable diet]

Lovely natural healthy nourishing grub.... 😬

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Iains
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 10:18 AM

You may be right Shaw but humanity is saved. There will not be a clone of you!

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 09:47 AM

You eat cloned potatoes, cloned apples, cloned strawberries, cloned lots of things already. Every Bramley apple ever eaten is a clone derived from a single original tree. It's over 200 years old. Last I heard it wasn't very well. Funny, innit.

Subject: RE: BS: Standard meat Indian restaurants?
From: Iains
Date: 06 Aug 17 - 09:21 AM

Pfr Could have been worse. It might have been cloned meat.
    (The language is strong!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZm0yMNud9g