BS: blood & soil Nazification of America

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 06:15 PM

not only have western leaders denounced Islamic jihad and terrorism they have bombed, assassinated and created coalitions against such terrorism.
Its OK I understand the source and reason for your right wing propaganda. I do not understand why you would bite hook line and sinker.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Shakey
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 06:18 PM

You see that's your view, how from my post do you decide that I am
right wing when I want them all denounced.

Bigoted or not too bright, you choose

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 06:27 PM

Get a grip, Shakey. There's been plenty of denunciation of terrorism. I should ask why you feel like singling out "Muslim terrorism." And why you call it that. Just your careless talk I suppose. The vast majority of us hate all of it, so just bugger off. And yes, we do want Trump to denounce white supremacists. Don't you? If not, why not?

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 06:58 PM

Steve is a chum that has introduced me to new knowledge.
New knowledge would have been a waste if there was no old knowledge to build upon.
We are all respondsible for what and how we learn.
To be precise it was the first sentence of Shakey's post I responded to.

btw I am all the things you can think of to call me.
They say reputation is judged by others but I am beyond the need of all that crap now.

The Nazi march in Seattle has police protection for the Nazis but the counter protesters got a dose of pepper spray an tear gas to keep the "sides" apart. Anti Nazi protesters are on 5t ve outside Trump Tower.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 08:24 PM

Several of you.... ones I agree with as well as ones I do NOT agree with... have again made the thrust of the thread against each other rather than the issues. No wonder threads keep getting closed.

It solves **NOTHING** to call each other names instead of looking at the issue of hate & bigotry.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 08:40 PM

Well, Bill, "several of you" doesn't cut it. It's a very touchy topic. The last thing we need is a troll. Recognise it when you see it.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 09:36 PM

Steve... each of your 4 sentences is just ambiguous enough to make me ask for more detail.. am *I* supposed to be a troll? Of course the topic is touchy, but only 'several' have drifted into name calling.... and THAT I recognise when I see it.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Aug 17 - 10:26 PM

Here's David Duke in Syria telling them what a great leader they have and seeking solidarity against them horrible Zionists who run the U.S.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 03:25 AM

Shakey, I have no idea what you are on about. Corbyn has been absolutely consistent about denouncing Islamic terrorism, in particular the recent attacks in the UK. So has Sadiq Khan, a Muslim himself.

Now there are people who used to be associated with terrorism in Northern Ireland, and since the Good Friday agreement politicians on all sides have engaged with them, on the condition that they do not return to their old ways or accept in their ranks people who have not given those ways up. Hence Sinn Fein and the DUP in power in the NI assembly, indeed the latter in coalition in the UK government. I feel uncomfortable about both of those groups, but I don't see any way forward other than to engage.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 05:21 AM

A nation divided.

Trump didn't create the division, but he is divisive. And it leads to larger chasms. Is and has.

Looking around at UK, France, Austria et al and the divisions are not confined to one enclave. German elections are up next and that will reveal more.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 05:45 AM

"And Jim Carroll, I could eat Alphabetti Spaghetti and shit posts that made more sense"
Then feel free to point out what you don't understand rather than throwing stones from a safe distance
None as illiterate as those who embrace illiteracy voluntarily
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Stu
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 06:32 AM

Alt-right = Alt-Reich*




*I can't claim credit for this. Saw it on Twitter.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 08:10 AM

Still no apology Stu?

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 08:22 AM

A white house official - apparently off his own bat, as just condemned the White Supremacists and The Klan outright, leaving 'im in charge alone in his ivory tower
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: gillymor
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 08:46 AM

You have to wonder at the humanity deficit of someone (ake) who's first impulse in the wake of this tragedy and the resurgence of overt racism in this country, encouraged and exploited by the U.S. president he idolizes, is to defend the rights of Nazis and White Supremacists and Nationalists. This from a guy who constantly rails against the evils of human rights. Hypocrisy incarnate.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 08:52 AM

Translation of Jim Carroll's post into Americanized English:

An unknown unnamed faceless White House official has admitted responsibility of White Supremacists and the good ol Klan for the violent response in the Charlottesville conflict. The Supreme President Trump has departed his Golf Resort White House to return to his Washington DC office.   
______________________

Today is the day of cringing at all the false equivalencies, spin and excuses for Nazis and the Republicans who bought into the whole racist trump agenda.

The last thing Trump wants is a video of him bad mouthing Nazis, Russians, KKK, White Vanguard, White Brotherhood, Supremacists and good ol boy's never meanin no harm...

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: gillymor
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 09:39 AM

"The last thing Trump wants is a video of him bad mouthing Nazis, Russians, KKK, White Vanguard, White Brotherhood, Supremacists and good ol boy's never meanin no harm..."

Too true, it would make it difficult for him to populate those campaign-
style rallies in Pennsiltucky with the most stalwart of his shrinking base. (except for Russians, of course, they don't seem to share Twit's man crush on Putin.)

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Stu
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 09:44 AM

"Still no apology Stu?"

Ah, I missed your post Ake, for which I apologise.


"I think organisations like KKK should be banned, but if they are considered legal in the US they must be allowed to demonstrate peacefully, if they were attacked with stones and bottles and responded to that attack both sides are to blame. What President Donal John said was legally correct"

However, I don't apologise for my post at all, because of this sort of statement, which is mealy-mouthed and evasive. The ongoing defence by some people of the Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief in this matter means approval of his lack of condemnation is implied, as is support for nasty alt-reich posho Farage and the aims of this group of people.

Trump doesn't condemn the nazi's, KKK etc because they're his constituency and he needs their votes. It's reprehensible anyone would support this sort of thing. All he had to do was say it was wrong but he hasn't and that's that.

Trump (parroted by his admirers) makes a false and insidious equivocation between the Nazis and the people protesting their presence; this is a crass and deeply ignorant over-simplification and a lie. Charlotteville was chosen for a reason. The Nazis killed a person over the weekend.

We know what Nazis and the KKK are, we know what they want and we know that their pasts are drenched in the blood of innocents. Failure to condemn is failure to remember and failure to respect the memory of those who suffered at their vile hands.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 09:52 AM

Totally in character for Twitler. Why is anyone surprised?


"Donald Trump's father, Fred Trump, is widely believed to have had links to, or at least been an enthusiastic supporter of, the Ku Klux Klan. He was arrested at a Klan rally in New York City in 1927.

The first mention of Donald Trump in the New York Times appears to have been in 1973 when, as president of the Trump Management Corporation that controlled thousands of New York City rental apartments , he countersued the federal government after it accused his family's company of racial discrimination.

Despite fighting back fiercely, the Trumps with the aid of notorious attorney Roy Cohn, were eventually obliged to alter their renting policies."

See Woody Guthrie song re: Pappy Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 09:56 AM

I never went to Sunday school but wasn't there something about Moses getting all pissed off about some nuts worshiping a statue?

Bull or horse, it sounds all the same to me. Not very Judeo Christion in my opinion ;^/

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 10:03 AM

"Translation of Jim Carroll's post into Americanized English:"
Thanks Do - I tend to forget the struggles our cousins across The Pond have with the English language
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 11:11 AM

shee-it fugetaboutit, itscraycray ta boosta9 froma jacked up 5 oh

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 11:17 AM

Which, when translated in English, means what, pray tell.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 11:28 AM

Greg good research.
Normally I would say the sins of the father are not the sins of the son.

except when they are.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 11:42 AM

raggytash,
"Oh my, its nothing. Its true that its ridiculously dangerous and beyond the pale to remove an injured Policeman's weapon."

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 11:59 AM

Thank you Donuel, enlightened I think .................

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Stu
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 01:53 PM

Eh up, the owd orange gobshite's made a statement. Better late and coerced than never.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 01:54 PM

At the risk of cracking out of turn or blowing 'blanket'.


I just heard Trump say with a wink part of the Klan Credo chant "our sacred honor" and say the word 'American' in a derrogutory tone of voice when he described the ONE american who died in Charlottesville. While he said the words KKK and Neo Nazi he was able to imply anti protestors as criminals and thugs as well as a few bad apples, and impugn the entire affair as a need for more LAW AND ORDER.

Subtle, Clever, Diabolic. Most people who see or read his words will not see his between the lines Nazi approval on top of a Two day delay with silence before this promised Press Conference of 4 minutes of speech followed by no questions.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Stu
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 01:59 PM

Just before the alt-reich apologists start crowing, there's a lot left to answer for that hasn't been forgotten: What are Trump and the White House's links to the far right?

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Stu
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 02:10 PM

With any luck he will have alienated his supporters and his numbers will plummet. Back of the net!

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 02:12 PM

Subtle, Clever, Diabolic.

Obviously written for him to parrott, then.

Question is, by which one of his lunatic acolytes?

Twitler still hasn't abjured David Duke.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 02:19 PM

Stu, Bannon is a mini Nazi compared to Sebastian Gorka (foreign affairs advisor)

The Orchestration of Nazi demonstrations from Coast to Coast on the same weekend is obvious to all. From Charlottesville to Seattle.

Follow the money. Most of the Nazi goons and thugs did not have their own money for travel, lodging, shields, signs, torches, insignia or weapons.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 02:23 PM

Greg, Bannon has been an editor for some time.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 03:15 PM

Trump kept repeating the phrase 'we are all born equal'. In my heart of hearts I have always felt that none of us are born equal.
Its a lie we are asked to believe in like ""liberty and justice for all"". We grow up and learn it ain't necessarily so.
By uttering this phrase "we are all born equal" we are forced into a suspension of critical thinking mode. There are many phrases that trigger an automaton mode of acceptance, reinforced with repetition, to go into a patriotic trance. As a hypnosis expert this perception may only be my own personal bias but it is a finer point of persuasion.

The real diabolic qualities of Trump's remarks read from giant cards and teleprompters was the tone, tenor and pause of his voice. He is really talented in this respect.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 03:33 PM

"We must rediscover the bonds of love and LOYALTY."
DJT

To who, YOU?

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: gillymor
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 05:28 PM

I wonder if Donal Jerk is still getting his 2 a day propaganda documents now that Priebus and Spicey have been canned. Twit's got to have something to bolster his fragile ego with his approval ratings in the toilet. Stephen Colbert does a good job explaining how propaganda is supposed to work.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: gillymor
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 06:05 PM

Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier resigned from Trump's American Manufacturing Council today saying that he was taking a stand against "intolerance and extremism." I'm no fan of Big Pharma but props to this guy for doing the right thing.

Frazier's eloquent statement:

"America's leaders must honor our fundamental views by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy, which run counter to the American ideal that all people are created equal. As CEO of Merck and as a matter of personal conscience, I feel a responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism."

Trump's shabby rejoinder, via his favorite medium, Twitter:

"Ken Frazier of Merck Pharma has resigned from President's Manufacturing Council, he will have more time to LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!"

Interesting that Twit responded to Frazier's resignation immediately with a childish barb but took more than 2 days to unequivocally denounce Nazism and Racism.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 06:19 PM

And still I ask: where are the gutless wonder Republicrud politicians speaking out about this outrage??

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 08:19 PM

nazis outside the white house

nazis inside the white house

This amounts to a clear and present danger, ladies and gentlemen.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Aug 17 - 09:28 PM

More Virginia Bund marches are scheduled along with Florida but Sept 23rd Nazi marches in Texas are canceled.

Rachel Maddow is following the money of the alt Reich and W.S. tonight.
This time there are no masks or hoods and they have a champion in the White House.

The Civil War we saw coming is more incarnate than ever.

I am inviting any American input. Has this change, changed you or your kids in any way?

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 03:40 AM

"You have to wonder at the humanity deficit of someone (ake) who's first impulse in the wake of this tragedy and the resurgence of overt racism in this country, encouraged and exploited by the U.S. president he idolizes, is to defend the rights of Nazis and White Supremacists and Nationalists.".......Gilly, you have joined the ranks of the lying bastards, I stated quite clearly that I think such organisations should be banned.

If YOUR successive governments are unable or unwilling to take such measures, direct your ire at them not me.

While such organisations are LEGAL they cannot by law be stopped from peaceful protest and should be protected from physical attack by members of the public.... as happened at Charlotteville.

I would also remind you that there are organisations on the left who promote violence against the system......watch you people scream if their "rights" are imperilled.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 04:43 AM

"I would also remind you that there are organisations on the left who promote violence against the system."
These demonstrations are aimed at Black poeple, not "the system"
"The system" under Trump supports them and it is the people under threat who oppose them
Any violence here is a direct result of the failure of the forces of'law and order' to do their job
By distorting that fact an hiding behind the law, you are supporting the marches.
This situation is the exact parallel of what happened in Britain in the 1930s - the establishment supported the fascist demonstrations - the people opposed the marches - violence broke out
If the establishment will not defend the people they purport to represent, then the people are duty bound to do it for themselves.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Stu
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 05:20 AM

" and should be protected from physical attack by members of the public.... as happened at Charlotteville"

The NAZIS murdered a woman at that rally. The NAZIS murdered six million. How could you even write this? What utterly odious and foul opinions you hold.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: gillymor
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 06:37 AM

Once again, ake, a woman was killed and at least 19 other "liberal" protestors were injured by a white supremacist in a car AND nazis are running around our streets with clubs in riot gear cracking heads, deriding "Niggers" "Kikes" and "Spics", and your takeaway is "we've got to make sure we don't trample the rights of those nazis". Like I said, inhuman, but probably not dissimilar to the reaction of our Embarrassment in Chief who just couldn't unequivocally denounce those racists, who adore him, until forced to do so. This episode has gone a long way to ensuring his legacy as worst POTUS in history.

Twit is however throwing a bone to his white racist constituents, he's considering pardoning America's most famous racist (well, 2nd most famous racist) Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 07:07 AM

May as well put this up here as well
Trump has backed down and condemned Nazism, the White Supremists and the KKK - who says demonstrations don't work
As far as I understand, he has not associated his comments with the events in Charlotteville
"Racism is evil and those who cause vilolence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, noo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans"
He refuses to describe the truck attack as an act of terrorism
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 07:21 AM

Stu, you have been given ample opportunity to apologise, you have not done so and forthwith you will be considered gutless.
The same applies to you other three!

"Hiding behind the law" it would be laughable if it were not so pathetic.......and you call yourselves liberals and democrats?

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 07:25 AM

I suppose every post from Jim will now include the lie that "Akenaton supports the KKK and colour prejudice". They will fit nicely with his other lies concerning my "Racism", hatred of immigrants, and homophobia.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Stu
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 08:17 AM

Meanwhile: Charlottesville: CEOs quit Trump council over response to violence. Even Trump's uber-capitalist peers are deserting him. Comes to something if they're getting the hump.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: Thompson
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 08:25 AM

Careful what you wish for. If Trump goes, there are far more nightmarish figures with a worse agenda queued up behind him.

Subject: RE: BS: blood & soil Nazification of America
From: gillymor
Date: 15 Aug 17 - 08:48 AM

Thanks for the heads-up, bobad, we need stories like that at this moment.