BS: uk politics

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Iains
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 10:45 AM

But David Carter it is all part of the great game and nothing is as simple as it seems


http://www.blacklistednews.com/Pepe_Escobar%3A_Why_Jihadism_Won%27t_Be_Allowed_To_Die/60699/0/38/38/Y/M.html

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 10:21 AM

MISSED A BIT
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 10:20 AM

"In the real world it is called progress-for good or ill."
Laser weaponry
I would say it was a sign of modern savagery
One of the aspects of this filth being examined it the possibility of blinding the enemy
Are you advocating this as a moral way fr human beings to remain?
Give me bows and arrows any day
I brought it up because, should it be fully developed there is no reason for it not to be part of the arms trade
That would be a thing for the Saudis to pass on to their terrorist friends to use in their struggle

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Iains
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 09:38 AM

"THE SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME ???"

In the real world it is called progress-for good or ill.

Are you recommending we revert to bows and arrows?

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 09:38 AM

Here is an example Teribus. That is to Syrian rebels in that instance.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 09:21 AM

THE SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME ???
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 09:14 AM

CLUSTER BOMBS OUTLAWED IN 2010!!!
Saudi Arabia has finally admitted that it used UK-manufactured cluster bombs against Houthi rebels in Yemen, increasing pressure on the British government which has repeatedly refused to curb arms sales to Riyadh." 2016
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 09:13 AM

Cluster munitions are only "outlawed" by countries who have signed the 2010 convention. A few choice non-signatories are Saudi Arabia (who have used them in Yemen), tbe US, Israel and Turkey. Plenty more.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 09:03 AM

Blackmail!

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Iains
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 08:57 AM

Saudi also supplies 10% of our oil and as Norway depletes this figure may well increase.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: bobad
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 08:48 AM

BRITISH SUPPLIED ("DEFENSIVE") CLUSTER BOMBS !!!

BRITISH SUPPLIED CLUSTER BOMBS IN 1980'S - CLUSTER BOMBS OUTLAWED IN 2010!!!

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Stu
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 08:02 AM

Ad infinitum.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 07:41 AM

BRITISH SUPPLIED ("DEFENSIVE") CLUSTER BOMBS !!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 07:16 AM

"Of all nations, UK is the most restrictive on who it sells arms to."
"Vince Cable, the business secretary, has admitted as much. "We do trade with governments that are not democratic and have bad human rights records", he told a crossparty group of senior MPs. "We do business with repressive governments and there's no denying that"."
These weapons are not specifically for defence and are widely being used to suppress legitimate protest - as in the case of the armoured cars tear gas, and riot control
THis is a sick defence of a sick trade
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 07:11 AM

Oi, Al, what's with this "we?" You'll be telling me next you believe in original sin! 😉

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 07:06 AM

we beheaded Sir Thomas More on a point of religious doctrine.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 06:24 AM

I didn't mention religion at all in relation to the beheadings count. You brought it up first at 10.38 am yesterday, quite gratuitously. I think you'd better look to your own not-so-latent Islamophobia in order to explain why you were so anxious to throw that into the ring. There was something else, too, utterly irrelevant, some mention of trade union activism, as I recall. You're losing it, pal. Why not go and sing a song instead? 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 06:24 AM

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 05:54 AM

The first time #Croydon has ever failed a social services inspection - only with @CroydonLabour in charge: croydonconservatives.com/news_search_re…

Disgraceful failure by Croydon Labour Council!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 05:45 AM

Nice try Shaw but no coconut.

Religion came into the thread due to YOU wittering on about beheadings in Saudi Arabia introduced by YOU. I merely cited an offence for which YOU could be beheaded in Saudi Arabia.

No need to ask Joe or Pete anything Shaw - I just go to the horse's mouth - i.e. your own posting history - that you cannot quibble about.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 05:28 AM

Nah then, Bill, why didn't YOU toddle off and ask Joe, Pete, etc., about my views on religion? While you're at it, explain to your mate Keith why you tried to derail his thread by gratuitously bringing religion into it. Utterly inexplicable. Silly bugger.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 05:15 AM

Sandman, see the arms trade thread.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 05:02 AM

Of all nations, UK is the most restrictive on who it sells arms to." please provide stats to back this up

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 04:20 AM

There is no current political debate in UK on the issue of arms sales.
When there is it would be appropriate to discuss it here.
Until then it belongs in a different thread.
It is just an attempt to derail this thread.

Jim,
"We do trade with governments that are not democratic and have bad human rights records",

Of course we do. Countries that do not choose democracy are still entitled to defend themselves.
Of all nations, UK is the most restrictive on who it sells arms to.

You choose to live in Ireland. Ireland requires armaments and goes to arms dealers for them. It is a legitimate trade.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 04:08 AM

I think a dose of reality is required, all major nations are involved in the "arms trade"......we don't like it, but the fact is that war is "profitable" and most nations are run on a "for profit" principle.
To change that will take generations, political unity and evolution of the human mind.

At present we must work with what we have if we wish to finance our public services.....sometimes people just can't afford perfect principles.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 03:48 AM

"British companies have sold arms to Syria"

Now that statement is quite clear and definite David Carter(UK) - So please provide details of what British Companies have sold what arms to Syria.

Now this may, or may not, sound rather old fashioned to you, but if you cannot do that, then you have no right to broadcast something you know to be a lie, you have no right to deliberately misrepresent things.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 03:42 AM

"quite likely to have been used" does not mean WERE USED - the latter is YOUR completely unsubstantiated interpretation of what William Hague said.

Subsequent BIS investigation matched the quantities of "dual purpose" chemicals exported to Syria to the products produced by the declared "End User" Companies and found that the quantities sent corresponded to the volume of product produced. That being the case what was, what could have been, DIVERTED?

So Jom who was it that posted this:

Subject: RE: BS: Homs horror
From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 05:39 AM

"So you intend to continue to ignore the horrors of Homs brought about by sniper rifles sold by Britain - specifically for use on the civilian population"

Someone else?

A mistake? Then where is your admission and your apology for posting such a lie? Or did you fall back on the "socialists" excuse - "It's always somebody else's fault?

The UK - "last year reckoned to be the second largest arms dealer in the world" - What comic did you get that out of Jom - another lie another gross misrepresentation. Here is the actual 2016 "League Table" when it comes to the Arms Trade by Nation according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute:

1 - United States - $47,169,000,000

2 - Russia - $33,186,000,000 [Note to Jom: NOT the UK]

3 - China - $9,132,000,000

4 - France - $8,564,000,000

5 - Germany - $7,946,000,000

6 - United Kingdom - $6,586,000,000

7 - Spain - $3,958,000,000

8 - Italy - $3,823,000,000

9 - Ukraine - $3,677,000,000

10 - Israel - $3,233,000,000

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 03:34 AM

Teribus, British companies have sold arms to Syria and, much more reprehensibly in my view, to Saudi Arabia. Now you seem to somehow absolve Britain of blame with your phrase "...Britain, as in the British Government..." Its not the British Government which is Britain in this context. This is the whole military-industrial complex. One branch does not act with the complicity of the other, particularly in the case of Saudi Arabia where government ministers and officials have been busy glad handing despots so that British companies can make arms sales. Just because the government doesn't make the weapons with its own bare hands, doesn't absolve it of responsibility.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 03:27 AM

I know nothing of the situation involving the "sniper rifles" Jim, I have never commented on it and I don't think it even pertains to this thread.

I wish you would stop digging up the subject whenever you get out of your depth.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 03:15 AM

By the way
"he British Government has sold neither weapons OR ammunition to Syria - FACT."
Britain sold the materials for Assad to create his aresnal of chemical weapons, which he used on his own people - FACT
William Hague, described once as "the best Prime Minister Britian never had" stated publicly that the chemicals sold to Syria were quite likely to have been used in the manufacture of Weapons - FACT
The Government implicated the British people in the gassing of the Syrian people FACT
No amount of manipulation and quibbling about small arms sales (which rate small next to the sale of chemicals, riot control equipment, armoured cars and tear gas that was also sold and used against the Syrian people) changes one iota of Britain's blood trade on arms - FACT
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 03:03 AM

Enough here Teribus
Keith stated the confusion about whether the order was for whether the shipment was for rifles or ammunition - I orignally put up the information that Britain had shipped military equipment to Syria - you pair denied that fact like headless chickens
This is what I put up
Syria 2,676,460 30,000        1 Small arms ammunition
Which I linked to this
who do we sell to, how much is military and how much just 'controlled'?
My point was then and remains that Britain sold weapons and equipment to repressive states, including Syria
Now we have the full team mob-handed - including Ake, defending the fact that Britain sells arms to repressive states - not did - "DOES"
AND AGAIN
ONE MORE TIME
And more still
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/03/yemen-multibillion-dollar-arms-sales-by-usa-and-uk-reveal-shameful-contradiction-with-aid-efforts/
You can nit-pick over whether I got the details of a sale of sniper ammunition as long as you like - my point was and remains that our politicians have steeped the British people in the blood of poorer nations for the profit of the few and was last year reckoned to be the second largest arms dealer in the world
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/britain-is-now-the-second-biggest-arms-dealer-in-the-world-a7225351.html
That is how much my arguments are "in the sixties and seventies"
If I needed any more confirmation - this full gathering of the extreme right wolf-pack is sufficient
That is the face of UK politics today - profiting from death of the poorest people on the planet
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 02:22 AM

Steve Shaw - 04 Sep 17 - 06:58 PM

"That's just very shallow and superficial. Gibberish, frankly."

Only thing wrong with that of course Shaw is that you cannot challenge or refute in detail anything I have stated. For confirmation of what I have said about you and your attitude to religion and the religious beliefs of others we could ask Joe Offer, mg, or peteofthesevenstars.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 02:07 AM

All I wrote was
"evidence emerged that Britain had sold sniper ammunition to Syria."

No Jom that is what you wrote to dredge up this subject on this thread, and what you wrote is a gross misrepresentation based on an assumption on your part that you have never been able to verify as being true. NO evidence has ever existed, or been presented by anyone that any actual sale, or delivery of ammunition has ever taken place. If it had THAT is what your newspaper article would have reported, NOT simply that an export licence had been issued.

This is YOUR claim as posted on the "Homs Horror" Thread:

Subject: RE: BS: Homs horror
From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 05:39 AM

"So you intend to continue to ignore the horrors of Homs brought about by sniper rifles sold by Britain - specifically for use on the civilian population"

The above is a downright lie Here is another Jim Carroll lie:

"Neither you or Teribus had any problem joining in a discussion by defending sales of ammunition or riot control equipment to Assad - as you have always done"

I do not think that I have EVER defended anything of the sort - the above is typical Carroll "Made-Up-Shit" - as can be seen above the only comments I have made have been to challenge YOUR lies and misrepresentations - So I will say it again just to make it perfectly clear to YOU - No evidence exists that there was EVER any sale of ammunition from from the private individual who was granted an export licence to Syria, and secondly Britain, as in the British Government has sold neither weapons OR ammunition to Syria - FACT.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Sep 17 - 02:07 AM

All I wrote was
"evidence emerged that Britain had sold sniper ammunition to Syria."

No Jom that is what you wrote to dredge up this subject on this thread, and what you wrote is a gross misrepresentation based on an assumption on your part that you have never been able to verify as being true. NO evidence has ever existed, or been presented by anyone that any actual sale, or delivery of ammunition has ever taken place. If it had THAT is what your newspaper article would have reported, NOT simply that an export licence had been issued.

This is YOUR claim as posted on the "Homs Horror" Thread:

Subject: RE: BS: Homs horror
From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 05:39 AM

"So you intend to continue to ignore the horrors of Homs brought about by sniper rifles sold by Britain - specifically for use on the civilian population"

The above is a downright lie Here is another Jim Carroll lie:

"Neither you or Teribus had any problem joining in a discussion by defending sales of ammunition or riot control equipment to Assad - as you have always done"

I do not think that I have EVER defended anything of the sort - the above is typical Carroll "Made-Up-Shit" - as can be seen above the only comments I have made have been to challenge YOUR lies and misrepresentations - So I will say it again just to make it perfectly clear to YOU - No evidence exists that there was EVER any sale of ammunition from from the private individual who was granted an export licence to Syria, and secondly Britain, as in the British Government has sold neither weapons OR ammunition to Syria - FACT.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 06:58 PM

That's just very shallow and superficial. Gibberish, frankly.

As was your last post directed at me, Teribus. Take a deep breath and try again.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: bobad
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 06:11 PM

What are the root causes of Islamic terrorism? Is it misguided to focus exclusively on religion or politics? Is it wrong to describe the current conflict as a "clash of civilizations"?

The latter part of your question is yes. The truth is that it's not a clash of civilizations. It never was. [Samuel] Huntington's theory has been critiqued to death on that. Rather, what we're seeing is a clash between those who believe in democratic values, like human rights and secularism, and those who believe in totalitarianism. But of those who believe in totalitarianism and have dictatorships, some will use jihadist tactics to further their ends, and others will use other forms of undemocratic phenomena.

But essentially, it's a struggle between democrats and non-democrats, secularists and non-secularists. In those dividing lines there are Muslims and non-Muslims on both sides. For example, there are non-Muslim voices out there that excuse and obfuscate the phenomenon of jihadist terrorism, focusing primarily on the U.S. being the enemy while making every excuse under the sun for theocrats. Likewise there are Muslims on the other side who will struggle against theocracy — Islamist theocracy in particular — while defending democratic values.

So it's not really a struggle between Muslims and non-Muslims. That's a complete and total misdiagnosis of the problem. Assuming it's a struggle between Muslims and non-Muslims is as shallow and lacking in nuance as assuming that all Christians in the world subscribe to the same political beliefs. They simply don't. … Political beliefs, though associated to or perhaps influenced by one's religious beliefs, aren't in fact determined by one's religious beliefs, and this applies to Judaism, Christianity, Islam or any other religion in the world.

Former Islamist radical Maajid Nawaz: Salon

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 04:24 PM

Jim still inhabits the sixties and seventies when politics were more simple.
The working class were an organised political faction, the good guys wore bunnets and scarfs...the baddies ties and Trilbies.

The Tories were the enemy and striking was the MO......We would show the bastards how to shoot ourselves in the foot! Everybody Out!!

Jim is a hopeless ranter, to paraphrase a famous US commentator
"If Jim were prevented from ever again calling other Members dumb, he would be robbed of half his arguments. To be sure, he would still have "racist," "fascist," "homophobe," "ugly," and a few other highly nuanced arguments in the quiver. But the loss of "dumb" would nearly cripple him."

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Iains
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 03:30 PM

Jim if you want to state that terrorism is increasing in the world that is a statement that can be accepted, denied, or discussed.
To make the statement" we have alienated young Muslim people by selling their former persecutors arms" is obviously a gross simplification, an exaggeration and simply not true. There are many 2nd and 3rd generation Moslems in the UK-when were they persecuted?
To state "those who went out to fight your friend Assad and came back radicalised" is a bit cart before the horse. It would be easier to accept they were radicalised and then went to Syria otherwise why travel? It is hardlt a tourist destination any more.
Don't know about Assad being a friend- the only time he came visiting I was out in the field so never met the guy.
You are just throwing out unsubstantiated facts to support a feeble argument.

You would be taken far more seriously if you used facts instead of bluster to support your stance on various subjects.

When it comes to insults do you regard yourself as the pot or kettle?

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 03:03 PM

"The world according to Jimmy. Irrational, ludicrous and just plain wrong.2
you and your4 mates are totally incapable pf posting without hrling personal insults aren't you?   
It might worry me if it didn't come from a supporter of a mass murderer
Make a note to yourself - never try to talk down to people when you're standing in a hole
"Are you simply exaggerating or just spouting nonsense
Then how about substantiating it with a few facts
Terrorism is in the INCREASE throughout the world - I'n not interested in the few nutters at the top, they could be from any religion.
I'm talking about those who went out to fight your friend Assad and came back radicalised
I could have added the younger generation, no longer prepared the Paki-Bashing culture that their parents withstood with such stoicism
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-vote-hate-crime-rise-100-per-cent-england-wales-police-figures-new-racism-eu-a7580516.html
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Iains
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 02:24 PM

"WE are up to our arses in fighting off terrorist attacks because we have alienated young Muslim people by selling their former persecutors arms"

The world according to Jimmy. Irrational, ludicrous and just plain wrong.
Is that every Moslem between the ages of say 12 and 25 Jimmy. Are you simply exaggerating or just spouting nonsense as usual. In the western world the casualty rate from car wrecks is far higher than that from terrorism and their numbers are in thousands, not millions.

   Are not the vast majority of these terrorist organizations an artificial construct engendered by western political affiliations.
(All denied of course-but who equips, trains, and transports them?)

Perhaps you should have a pop at Toyota for providing all the machine gun mounted "technicals"

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 01:46 PM

"(don't really see the need for borders but that's another story"
I'll drink to that one too Peter
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 01:33 PM

i don't see the need for any country to sell arms to another (don't really see the need for borders but that's another story) i don't see why countries are allowed to take arms abroad or why the americans (and others to a much lesser extent) are allowed to have military bases in dozens of countries around the world (and particularly russia) the anti-nuclear debate gets the occasional airing but the fact that we sell arms to any dodgy regime that wants them has never been seriously considered since robin cook died.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 01:13 PM

So Keith, you are saying that because newspapers are ignoring something it isn't an issue? Sorry, I am not going to let what I think is an issue and what I will be expressing opinions on be dictated by the sewer press. And parties are not split on it? I don't think thats true, I think that Labour are very much split on whether the UK should be involved in arms sales. Tories, probably only on the subsidiary issue of who those arms sales should be to. And who should rake in the profits.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 12:52 PM

Who says the question of arms sale is not a current issue
YEMEN
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 12:47 PM

"Until Jim dredged up the old dispute no-one thought of mentioning it."
Will you stop attemting to control what people discuss on this forum - you have no authority to do so, yet you do it persistently when it becomes embarrassing your particular brand of politics
All I wrote was
"evidence emerged that Britain had sold sniper ammunition to Syria."
Britain's involvement in the arms trade is extremely relevant to this discussion which you chose as "uk politics"
WE are up to our arses in fighting off terrorist attacks because we have alienated young Muslim people by selling their former persecutors arms
Neither you or Teribus had any problem joining in a discussion by defending sales of ammunition or riot control equipment to Assad - as you have always done
It was you, not me, who extended this subject into a loing argument - I was quite happy to leave it with my original statement - we've covered this over and over again
Britain sells arms to repressive states - former business secretary admitted as much
"Vince Cable, the business secretary, has admitted as much. "We do trade with governments that are not democratic and have bad human rights records", he told a crossparty group of senior MPs. "We do business with repressive governments and there's no denying that"."
VINCE CABLE
The Arms trade is inghuman, immoral and it is part of the cause of the rise in terrorism
How dare you attempt to prevent people expressing an opinion
This has become a regular to the point of predictability part of the way you operate on this forum - if a subject slips out of your comfort zone - cry "thread drift"
If you wish to curtail argument - open a thread and stipulate that yours is the only opinion acceptable for discussion
Have you ever thought about setting up a dictatorship of your own?
It really is about time you pair cleaned up your act
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 12:24 PM

Those things most certainly are an issue.

The papers and news reports are full of political stories at the moment, but not those ones.
Until Jim dredged up the old dispute no-one thought of mentioning it.

Which party has recently issued a statement about it?
Is any party split over it?

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 12:16 PM

Ah so in short Shaw you subscribe to 2: "If I want to avoid the risk I avoid the country"

With you however it is not merely a case of you proclaiming your atheism is it? It is of you decrying, mocking and belittling the beliefs of others - Whaddya think, Shaw?

"You wouldn't for one second say that it would be fine to do that here" - Yet there are people in the UK who are pressing for Sharia Law to be recognised and practiced in the UK. My feelings on that are that our forefathers fought and campaigned for the legal system and rights we currently enjoy - they are not up for negotiation.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 12:09 PM

Those things most certainly are an issue. When did they cease, in your view, to be an issue? Unless you have evidence, not yet seen by the rest of us, that they have stopped doing those things.

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 12:06 PM

Jim,
"This thread is about current UK politics."
You mean the British Government has stopped selling arms to despots and no longer allows the import of goods from firms employing slave labour?

Jim there is currently much turmoil in UK politics, but those things are not an issue at present.

Can we be allowed to discuss things that are?

Subject: RE: BS: uk politics
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 11:38 AM

"Jom. "
Whoops - missed another piece of insecurity
Jim Carroll