BS: brexit matters

Subject: RE: BS: brexit matters
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Sep 17 - 04:42 AM

Most sovereign countries have similar restrictions on immigration.
Not outrageous or even unusual.

Subject: RE: BS: brexit matters
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Sep 17 - 04:14 AM

"there are truly unpleasant people on both sides of the argument."
Great argument for saying and doing nothing and leaving them to it Al
Maybe the Anarchists were right when the said "Don't vote, it only encourages them"
The simple truth is that politicians regard their job as a meal ticket and unless we try to change it, that will remain the case.
Pointing the finger at everybody really doesn't help
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: brexit matters
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Sep 17 - 09:50 PM

well whatever the truth of this situation, its certainly not a simple truth.
there are truly unpleasant people on both sides of the argument.
actually both sides is a misnomer.
the issue has a multiplicity of facets. you need to be either very stupid or very dishonest to think you know the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: brexit matters
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Sep 17 - 07:30 PM

The Tories are imprisoned by their own right-wingers and by UKIP. Don't doubt that any softening of the Tory line on immigration will fuel a UKIP resurgence. Labour can't say much either, because their natural supporters include millions who resent being "swamped by foreigners taking our jobs and driving wages down." The whole thing is a reet bugger. Basically, truth is the main victim.

Subject: RE: BS: brexit matters
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Sep 17 - 01:29 PM

the tory spin has been to suggest that these very moderate and probably unenforceable regulation changes will affect anything.

its a sop to the racist vote. pretending that this do sod- all announcement will make any difference at all. style over substance.

there must be another election in the offing.

Subject: RE: BS: brexit matters
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 17 - 01:13 PM

Have just seen the news headlines alluding to the as yet undisclosed proposals to cut the immigration of unskilled workers from Europe
If the EU reciprocates, as it almost certainly will, it will turn the so far farcical negotiations into a huge game of draughts with workers as pieces
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: brexit matters
From: Iains
Date: 06 Sep 17 - 01:07 PM

I seriously doubt that Brexit will be permitted. Either Parliament will make leaving impossible or the watered down version will effectively give us an affiliation similar to Norway or even Switzerland.
Dispute over Free travel restrictions will nail the door to our departure firmly shut.

Who agrees/diaagrees?

Subject: RE: BS: brexit matters
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Sep 17 - 12:56 PM

Are we allowed to discuss this? Papers have been leaked ...

Not up to me, of course, what people can discuss. But to my taste, there is only a point if it is those papers we discuss. Simply repeating stuff that is on many other threads is not worthwhile. We have a very clear idea where just about everyone on the BS side of this forum falls on the stay/leave question, so lets just take that as understood and stixk to the papers...

Subject: RE: BS: brexit matters
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 17 - 12:45 PM

That is little more that the old usual Tory rant Ake
Go to the North of England and see the empty mines and factories and tell us how Britain can stand on its own feet when Government after Government have destroyed Britain's industrial base and torn away every single advance the working man and woman has won for themselves and their children
It rook a radical Labour Government to rebuild Britain after the war (opposed by the right) and it took that right to put Britain back into the hands of speculators to milk dry fro profit - nothing to do with Europe of immigration
You might tell us how your Brave New World is going to deal with the infux of 3,325,000 returning Britons when they can no longer work in Europe
JIm Caarroll

Subject: RE: BS: brexit matters
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Sep 17 - 12:41 PM

Ake - ..of course the tories will spin it triumphantly as a wonderful opportunity for new 'apprenticeships' and enhancing employment skills...
The nation pulling together in the WW2 spirit...

Thousands of urban sink estate 'jobseekers' coercively bussed out to countryside farming labour camps... 🙄

jail time for all refusing to dig up spuds and sprouts...

Subject: RE: BS: brexit matters
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Sep 17 - 12:25 PM

PFR....you are dead right, and about time too.

The ability to do exactly as we like whenever we like will be severely curtailed....we will no longer be able to sit on our arses and watch "someone else do it"

After five decades we will be asked once again to bear some responsibility for ourselves and our families.

All the social idiocies will be questioned, the waste of money in the NHS which at the moment is asked to be fairy godmother to all manner of unhealthy behaviour, from tobacco smoking to any number of psychiatric cop outs.

Subject: RE: BS: brexit matters
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 17 - 12:03 PM

"That's up to you Keith - you are the one who always attempts to interfere with what people say
Your opening post and the two following indicate that racism connected to immigration will feature heavily as will comparisons with Trump's wall
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: brexit matters
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Sep 17 - 11:41 AM

Here's my considered guess..

Tory govt will severely reduce low skilled EU workers,
then respond to outcry from businesses that depend on them
with compulsory workfare programs for UK citizen benefit claimants...???

Subject: RE: BS: brexit matters
From: Stu
Date: 06 Sep 17 - 09:22 AM

Awful business. As a remainer no-one's listening anyway, all I can do is watch on in despair as the lunacy continues.

What sort of people are we becoming on these islands?

Subject: RE: BS: brexit matters
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Sep 17 - 09:03 AM

All the US immigration plans consists of Walls, Deportation, Moats, Man eating border goats and 24/7 refuse incinerator electricity plants fed by
rail cars. (?)

Signs reassure that if you are white you are all right.

Subject: BS: brexit matters
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Sep 17 - 08:28 AM

Are we allowed to discuss this?
Papers have been leaked revealing plans for EU immigration post brexit.