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BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.

Teribus 11 Sep 17 - 10:48 AM
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Nigel Parsons 11 Sep 17 - 09:39 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 10:48 AM

Well Shaw I suppose it all depends on how you view children doesn't it.

I see once again you yammer on about "the poorest in the land" - poverty doesn't enter into it as far as child benefit goes - it is one of those "universal" benefits.

One way of viewing children by young teenage girls at one time was if you got yourself pregnant and had the sprog you could then play the system to get the points needed to get a flat where you and your mates could hang out. No real interest in the child and the child grows up deprived in a single parent "home".

Personal responsibility Shaw something you should have instilled in the students you taught. Shudder to think what it was they took away from school having been under your tutelage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 10:11 AM

Well Brutus helped to murder Caesar, was driven out of Rome branded a murderer, got enmeshed in the ensuing civil war and was defeated in battle alongside his co-conspirator Cassius and killed himself, all within three years of his grabbing of that flood tide in search of fortune that your quote referred to. A good quote all right (it was the play I did for my Eng Lit 'O' Level), but it all led to the sort of outcome we can cheerfully expect from brexit. Disaster, in other words. Happy to finish the tale for you, Nigel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 09:45 AM

I am deeply impressed! well quoted sir.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 09:39 AM

Iains:

There is a tide in the affairs of men. Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune; Omitted, all the voyage of their life. Is bound in shallows and in miseries (Brutus in Jeremy Corbyn Julius Caesar).

So grab opportunities (such as Brexit) at the right time, when available.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 09:22 AM

Nigel Parsons. I think some of the twists and turns of the threads here would even make the mighty bard run for cover.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 09:21 AM

I have no idea whether his reply is honest or not and I'm not really interested. He certainly doesn't seem to care much about the kids of the poorest people in THIS country, accusing their parents of parasitising the rest of us by living on "handouts" and suggesting that they shouldn't even have had those children. And you will never have the remotest idea about my position regarding "charitable donations." I may not be a regular bible thumper but that's one bit that I do happen to agree with wholeheartedly. This whole section of the thread is the most infantile thing of the many infantile things I've seen on this forum. Playing one-upmanship about one's "charitable donations" is just about as laughable as it gets. Pathetic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 08:06 AM

The devil can quote Scripture for his purpose
That Bill Shakespeare had a suitable quote for (nearly) all occasions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 07:38 AM

A question was asked, a response was given. What point are you trying to make Shaw? You are proud to make a case that you are no longer a catholic, yet you quote bible verses. What is the point of that?
Are you ashamed that you do not make charitable donations or are you trying to make a big issue out of some one's honest reply to a question? Rather indicates what sort of person you are, does it not?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Stu
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 07:36 AM

Well, colour me impressed Tezza! Good on you for putting your money where your mouth is. I always knew you had a heart ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 05:49 AM

"Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." [Matthew 6 1-4]


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 05:41 AM

"the corruption by the wealthy in paying taxes"

But Jom the top 1% of earners in the UK pay an astonishing percentage of the Inland Revenue's tax haul. By the way Jom how are the wealthy corrupted by paying tax?

Do you mean the tax avoidance schemes used by footballers, comedians, "so-called" celebrities and pop stars?

How much do I give Stu?

I sponsor six children in four different third world countries and will continue to do so until they all reach their respective 18th birthdays I have done that now for the past six years, which comes out at around £3,600 per year. In addition to that I support various other charities associated with MND and Cancer via standing orders and the Woodland Trust.

I get regular updates on the progress of the children along with letters and photographs from them - I can see in my retirement what my "excess money" is doing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Stu
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 05:01 AM

Tezza - how much do you give?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 04:57 AM

"Tell me Shaw, Stu, Carroll what percentage of you yearly income do you give to charity?"
I'll deal fully with this pathetically desperate resorting to a pissing contest on charity later this afternoon
When a society has to resort to charity as part of it's economy it is a sign that it has failed and is no longer fit for purpose
Your failure to respond to the corruption by the wealthy in paying taxes means you are in favour of it - but you've already told us that
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 04:36 AM

"No more to say on the matter." - gnome

Would that that were true but we all know unfortunately that it won't be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 04:34 AM

The term boutique Christian springs to mind once again.

Then you are ignorant Dave. Sorry.
Mortal sin has to be grave and committed out of malice.

Neither masturbation nor sex outside marriage can be so described.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 04:28 AM

The term boutique Christian springs to mind once again. But only so I can claim 200!

No more to say on the matter.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 04:24 AM

"sit at home doing nothing except soaking up other people's money"? What makes it "other people's money"

Just like retired teachers then, leaching off the teat of the public purse.


https://www.ipe.com/countries/uk/uk-roundup-teachers-pension-scheme-liabilities-grow-by-76bn/www.ipe.com/countries/uk/uk-roundup


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 04:22 AM

Dave,
Q. If people who have sex outside marriage are unrepentant are they damned
A. Yes


Of course they are not silly.

No religions and few countries allow same sex marriage.
Is that your only complaint against the Catholic Church on this?
If so we do not disagree.

Jim, this is the official, current view on homosexuality from the catholic Church,
" being homosexual is not wrong or sinful in itself. But just as it is objectively wrong for unmarried heterosexuals to engage in sex, so too are homosexual acts considered to be wrong."

No discrimination, except the marriage thing which is still almost universal.
Why single out Catholicism?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Stu
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 03:59 AM

"Tell me Shaw, Stu, Carroll what percentage of you yearly income do you give to charity?"

I don't have much money to give to charity, although I do give my time and skills as a graphic designer free of charge or at materials cost. I do give to homeless folk though; I can't bear to see their suffering. I'm also active in my community, building a better place to live (without those pesky politicians getting involved).

How much do you give?


Good on you for changing nappies and cooking. Always knew you were a better man than the likes of Rees-Mogg, although lacking his wit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 03:56 AM

Let us try this in the form of a quiz shall we

Q. Does the church teach that unrepentant sinners go to hell?
A. Yes

Q. Is sex outside marriage a sin?
A. Yes.

Q. If people who have sex outside marriage are unrepentant are they damned
A. Yes

Q. Can hetrosexuals marry and avoid this situation?
A. Yes.

Q. Can homosexuals marry and avoid this situation?
A. No

Q. Does the church discriminate against homosexuals?
A. Yes.

Does that explain my views any better? And why are you addressing things that Steve and Jim post to me?

I think I have made myself quite clear on the issues. No point in going through them any further.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 03:55 AM

Your refuasal to recognise the implications of what the Pope aid about homosexuals makes you extremely dishonest and fanatical
What do you think he meant by his "rainforest" remark ? an expression o "fondness", kile your "Muppet" maybe!!
You are one disturbed cookie
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 03:11 AM

Steve, Jim and Dave,
If I say your post is stupid, it isn't. And your point has been addressed by me, Dave and Jim ad nauseam.

Jim claimed that Catholicism promised hell for homosexuals.
It does not.
You all claimed it persecutes and discriminates against them.
It does not.

It does not yet allow same sex marriage, but nor does any religion in the world, nor most countries in the world and none until recently.

You have failed to make any case against Catholicism except the marriage thing, and you made false claims against that Church.

If I have got anything wrong, identify it.
Just saying "stupid," even in capitals, is not an argument.
Have you got one?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 02:30 AM

Let's see now, what is Shaw's latest whimsical notion? Explain to us all Shaw how does someone "sit at home doing nothing except soaking up other people's money"? What makes it "other people's money"? Who are these "other people"? I am absolutely fascinated to learn.

As far as I am aware the concept runs as follows:

1: Individual has an idea that he believes would be a commercial success.
2: He starts up a business in a small way and confirms that he has a viable concern.
3: Demand for what he produces increases, but he cannot expand his business on his own because he does not have the necessary free capital. He can go into debt by going to a bank, or he can look for people who would be willing to invest capital in his business in return for a share of the business.
4: He goes for the latter because that shares the risk without burdening the business with debt. In return for their investment the shareholders in the enterprise can see the value of their investment grow in terms of trading figures and with increased assets and they, depending upon how the board of directors decide get a share of the profits.
5: Of course it can all go "pear-shaped" and the venture could crash, in which case the assets of the business are realised, sold off and the proceeds shared out amongst the Inland Revenue, the listed creditors and shareholders in that order.

OK then Shaw where does "other people's money" come into the equation?

Just love the way you middle-class socialists worship at the alter of irresponsibility, where there appears to be only rights and no obligations.

Tell me Shaw, Stu, Carroll what percentage of you yearly income do you give to charity?

By the way very few people, if any at all, in the UK these days "change nappies", most would not even know how to fold one. What is in common use today are these "Pampers" things - from a father of four who both cooked for the family and changed their nappies, soaked and washed them back in the day when they were nappies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 02:18 AM

Looks like another one scheduled for the bin.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 10:23 PM

that jacob rees mogg....he seems a bit odd. that jimmy saville vibe


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 08:13 PM

Enjoying cooking and changing nappies is not a sign of a paragon. Do try to drag yourself out of the nineteenth century, Inanes. Mrs Steve knows to keep out of the kitchen when I'm in there (I admit to being an absolute culinary bastard, a man to avoid like the plague when I'm in passionate cuisinary mode), and we eat like kings (er, monarchs, should I say), and blokes changing nappies is routine these days unless you're a chauvinist pig, which you seem to want to brand yourself as. I'm normal. How are you, Iains? Huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 07:23 PM

A LITTLE MORE TO SNEER AT OR IGNORE
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 07:20 PM

What the hell is wrong with you people
You call yourselves Christians yet you treat the poor with utter contempt and sneer at their predicament
You epitomise what has happened to the world today - the lot of you
You have been given the facts as reported - you don't even the intelligence to either disprove them with information of your own or justify them
And your star turn,Ake says "we're all in the same boat"
You are to Christianity is what syphilis is to love
Thanks for the example of Christian love lads
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 06:45 PM

Tut tut Iains, did I not read recently that it is incorrect to use the term ' man up' nowadays -- more likely to cause some sort of emotional distress to a person, we are to be gender neutral now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 06:24 PM

Pon my soul. what a paragon of virtue you are Shaw.
Reminds me of a nursery rhyme:

Little Jack Horner
Sat in the corner,
Eating a Christmas pie;
He put in his thumb,
And pulled out a plum,
And said, "What a good boy am I!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 06:01 PM

Capitalists, people like Teribus for example, love to sit at home doing nothing except soaking up other people's money. Off-shorers do it, bankers do it, yuppies did it and Teribus brags about doing it. Tsk. Then they moan about peanut-sized handouts for the very poorest. Hypocrites.

I love cooking and Mrs Steve gets shouted at, Gordon Ramsay-style, if she dares to venture into MY kitchen when I'm in there. And I changed both my kids' nappies all the time and love to bring the buggers down a peg by reminding them of the fact. Poor Moggie. Doesn't know what he's missing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 05:52 PM

DmcG. I refer you to: dActs 20.35


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 04:00 PM

Interesting, Iains. So I assume you oppose Trident on the grounds it it spending other people's money. Ditto all schools except private ones, all health care except private health care, all roads except toll roads ....

Or are you perhaps a little more of a socialist than you admit?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 03:49 PM

Bit like ever whinging, whining socialists then are we not. The major difference is that we are happy to take responsibility for our actions.
All socialists are capable of doing is spending other people's money and blaming everyone but themselves for misfortune.
Is the saying not MAN UP!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Stu
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 03:47 PM

Not at all. I don't have kids but love cooking and if you've never had to cook a meal in your life, I'd suggest you're too distant form he real world to understand the issues that affect most of us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 03:14 PM

"Are you jealous?"
Why can't right wingers tell the difference between a desire for equality of opportunity and jealousy
Perhaps that wasn't pert of their privileged education curriculum!!
Stereotypes - all of you without exception
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 02:59 PM

One of the many benefits of having loadsamoney. Are you jealous?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Stu
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 02:34 PM

Apparently Rees-Mogg has never changed a baby's nappy (despite having six children) and never cooked a meal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 02:04 PM

If I say that you're stupid, that's abuse. If I say your post is stupid, it isn't. And your point has been addressed by me, Dave and Jim ad nauseam. Run along now. Do they have Sunday evensong?


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 01:54 PM

"Just abuse again"
Not true Keith
The statement came with a sizable anount of information
10 Sep 17 - 09:08 AM
Which you choose to ignore, but nevertheless undermines your entire position
Little wonder you choose to ignore in then claim it hadn't been maid
Dishonest, dishonest, dishonest post Keith
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 01:49 PM

Your money, which you paint as a charitable institution that alleviates all the problems of the world, also pays large share dividends to people sat on their arses doing nothing. Oh yes, you get your cut all right! I note that your unfocused rant did not address the uncomfortable fact that your successful capitalist achievements rely on massive inequalities in society. Without those, you and your fellow clever moneymakers wouldn't have the incentive to roar ahead and leave the poorest even further behind, which is what has happened in this country for several decades by every measure. Anyway, do enjoy counting your dividends and working out your percentage gains. I hope it makes you happy.

By the way, we own our own very nice home, mortgage-free, in a half-acre garden, half a mile from one of the most beautiful coastlines in the world, and we both have pensions on top of our old age pensions that enable us to live comfortably and go on several European holidays a year. Four in 2017. I eat approximately three pasties per annum. It's probably best if you try to not judge the lifestyles and the means of people you know nothing about.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 01:38 PM

Steve,
Stupid, stupid, STUPID post, Keith. Most of us already think you're a fool. Why do you post stuff that just confirms our suspicions?

Just abuse again, but you are incapable of indicating any error or actually challenging anything I said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 01:32 PM

GOOD OVERALL SUMMARY HERE
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 01:18 PM

"Yet another long rant."
Then feel free to disprove what I say
Name calling has become the get-out of jail card on these threads
"not secure a living off child support"
My apologies Nigel - I attributed it to you but in fact it was Teribus's statement, your reference was a reference to that nasty Tory statement - my mistake
However, I went on to say "This has always been a slanderous Tory myth aimed directly at the poorer people of Britain"
You are, I believe, a Tory suppoerter
I would be interested to know if you go along with this long-standing smear of the less well off in Britain
I quite understand if you decline to answer, of course
There are of course other attacks on working people - like Ake's and Tribus's latest on Britain's lazy class
I'd ask your opinion on that particular smear if I thought an answer was forthcoming
You people are allways ready to lump us together under one umbrella; it's always interesting to learn if you people all singe from the same hymn-sheet
I quite understand if you don't wish to commit yourself on this one either
I wonder why you peiople never refer to the Bankers who ruined the British economy by their greed and stupidity, or those who avoid paying tax with offshore accounts and clever-clever lawyers
https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/jul/27/disgusting-astonishing-how-do-uks-top-1-view-tax-avoidance-voices-of-the-one-percent
Don't these people bear any responsibility for the state of the economy - or is it just lazy workers with sore backs fiddleing the state for their holidays in the Bahamas
You people really are a transparent joke
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Stu
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 12:47 PM

"So in short Stu, your WE is in fact OTHERS - NOT YOU"

No need to shout old chap, I can hear you perfectly. No, not me. Are you suggesting in the fight against fascism we should not invoke the events of the second world war because we weren't there personally? That the suffering of others during that conflict should be ignored and forgotten because we weren't there?


"Apparently I seem to question things a damned sight more than you or your pals do."

Nah mate. You can type the words, but you're not the questioning type as is obvious from your posts over the years. That's fine, but the pretence doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Give up lad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 11:46 AM

"Ooh me back!"...Yes Teribus and the latest cop out for those in the teaching and public administration "trades" is "Ooh my head" the poor souls are so stressed they can hardly enjoy their massive holidays.

The mantra seems to be take as much out of the system and put as little in as possible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 11:44 AM

Jim:
Yet another long rant.
Unfortunately it starts by accusing me in words I never used:
Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 03:57 AM

By the way Nigel
"not secure a living off child support "
This has always been a slanderous Tory myth aimed directly at the poorer people of Britain - a smear on the British people by the privileged and comfortable - our "betters"
Family allowance is pitifully small in Britain - no family could possibly get a "secure a living" from it
"A family with two children can claim nearly £1,800 a year in Child Benefit. In the 2017-18 tax year, you can claim: £20.70 per week for your first child. £13.70 a week for any further children."
The purpose of family support is to keep a poor family's head above water, not to "secure a living" - it is to stay alive


If you want to discuss what I have said, please do so.
But do not attribute the comments of others to my name, and then discuss them as if I am in any sense responsible for those comments.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 11:42 AM

Back to the nice Mr Rees Mogg-again!

How the EU slaughters democracy. Demonstration in moving pictures by the erudite mr. Rees Mogg so that even the tedious remoaners can understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXkjc7lqOUQ

If at first you don't succeed try, try, try again.
Perhaps this well known phrase or saying should be a part of the EU anthem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 11:37 AM

Hello there Raggy I see your arithmetic has improved since you were trying to work out votes in Irish Referendums. Trying to tell us that that is the only benefit claimed? What would the other "entitlements" be.

"Here we have a chap, moaning about what he calls "handouts" to the poorest people in society" - Shaw

The poorest people in society? Where was that stated?

Now as for being "economically inactive" Shaw is that your rather long winded way of saying retired?

The crowing "about how much his shares have gained this year." was actually detailing a personal example what has happened financially over the past eighteen months since the electorate of the United Kingdom voted to Leave the EU, which rather countered your "doom'n'gloom" mutterings.

"Now you buy shares with your excess money." - What a strange expression Shaw? What is "excess money" Shaw - disposable income perhaps? What do you do with yours Shaw? From your posts you would appear to "Oikishly" guzzle and munch your way around the place on Cornish Pasties, "sprouting purple" and cheap plonk - your choice.

"Then you sit on your arse doing nothing while your shares "make" money for you. I'd call that a handout."

Ah Shaw, I may not be doing anything but my money is. It is invested in companies that employ people and pay their wages, my money invested pays for research and development, it allows companies to expand and employ even more people. It provides profit and of course dividends that pay people's pensions.

"I wonder whether he sends back his old age pension, another handout to people who are no longer economically active."

Wonder no longer Shaw, I do not return my State Pension as I worked throughout my life and contributed on the higher end of the scale towards it - in short Shaw I earned it. I did not at some opportune moment decide to yell, "Oooh me back", then sit back on benefits (Unemployment, disability, income support, housing and child benefit) until I could lift a pension that I had barely contributed to. Of course it is not just the state pension I rely on for income, I receive three other pensions and my own private pension is yet to kick in - before you ask I also earned all of those and paid into the latter using that "Excess Money" you were wittering on about instead of squandering it.

Your defence of irresponsibility is ridiculous

Stu - 10 Sep 17 - 09:06 AM - So in short Stu, your WE is in fact OTHERS - NOT YOU. Apparently I seem to question things a damned sight more than you or your pals do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Sep 17 - 11:32 AM

It's the Twelfth Commandment, Dave. "Thou shalt not be a complete twat."


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